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50 Responses to 3 Reasons Why The US Drone Policy Is Really Scary

  1. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 8:51 am
    Link: 3 Reasons Why The US Drone Policy Is Really Scary - Beware of the new government robot overlords!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:07 am
    Good post.
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    superofdoom Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:08 am
    I like drones :->
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:17 am
    I`m all for more transparency in government. But frankly, if one drone could prevent another Iraq/Afghanistan I am all for it.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:25 am
    Drones can be a good thing if used properly. An example would be finding Bin Laden in the 90`s and Droning him. One strike, quick and simple. None of this patrolling the skies business. I don`t like what we`re doing now.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:42 am
    So the alternatives to drone strikes are...
    #1 Let the bad guys do as they please?
    NOT an option.

    Option #2: Send in the troops!
    Yeah, that will go over well with the locals, and the US public...

    #3 Demand that local forces carry out the orders of the US Government, OR ELSE.
    Oh yeah, THAT would be ever so popular...

    Drones = +3
    Antidrones = 0
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:46 am
    Maybe we should build drones that will drop candy and flowers on the terrorists instead.
  8. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:50 am
    `if one drone could prevent another Iraq`

    This is a strange argument to me. Iraq was already preventable. What difference would a drone strike have made?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 9:54 am
    `Maybe we should build drones that will drop candy and flowers on the terrorists instead`

    I know this is supposed to be humorous, but there`s actually a bit of a point to be made here. You could solve a lot more of our problems by changing our middle east policy than you could with drone strikes. The easiest way to prevent terrorism is to promote the well-being of the people who are susceptible to recruitment by terrorists. You can:

    1) Stop supporting despotic leaders who persecute their people
    2) Take a position of neutrality in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
    3) Support democratic movements within middle eastern countries
    4) Remove U.S. troops, particularly from Afghanistan, which is viewed throughout the mideast as an occupation

    Those are just a few things. Spreading goodwill is more effective than dropping inaccurate bombs on people.
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    triki-trakes Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:01 am
    I am glad to hear that drones are being used and for the people that beleive that drones will be hovering over america helping police....well you shouldn`t have a problem unless you are doing illegal activities would you?
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    uunxx Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:05 am
    @mcboozerilla: advanced technology of war is the very reason why terrorism exists. There was no terrorism in times when all people were equal and they just bludgeoned each other. Now, when you really want to be in war with somebody but your club is nothing against the drones, you`ll blow up a subway station or hijack a plane and crash it into something instead.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:10 am
    1) Stop supporting despotic leaders who persecute their people
    2) Take a position of neutrality in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
    3) Support democratic movements within middle eastern countries
    4) Remove U.S. troops, particularly from Afghanistan, which is viewed throughout the mideast as an occupation

    ROFL!!! If that worked it would`ve been done. If we remained neutral in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict we`d still get bitched at Osama would be alive amd Al-Q would be much stronger.


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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:14 am
    @uunxx

    Actually many scholars belive terrorism dates as far back as the 1st century with the Sicarii
  14. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:24 am
    `If we remained neutral in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict we`d still get bitched at Osama would be alive amd Al-Q would be much stronger.`

    One of Al Qaeda`s strongest marketing tools is anti-Israeli sentiment in the middle east. How exactly would they be stronger if we approached Israel for a more neutral position? It would undermine a key selling point for them.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:25 am
    @triki-trakes: "well you shouldn`t have a problem unless you are doing illegal activities would you?"

    Why don`t we just wire EVERYONE`s homes with microphones and video cameras? It would catch so many wrong-doers! "Well you shouldn`t have a problem unless you are doing illegal activities would you?"
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:45 am
    #1 Let the bad guys do as they please?
    NOT an option.

    Option #2: Send in the troops!
    Yeah, that will go over well with the locals, and the US public...

    #3 Demand that local forces carry out the orders of the US Government, OR ELSE.
    Oh yeah, THAT would be ever so popular...

    How about let congress approve of a list of targets BEFORE bombing. We cannot let the POTUS continue to breach the rule of law just to remove some unverified baddies.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:46 am
    @FoolsPrussia

    Israel exisiting is all they need to hate us and get members. The only way they`d ever be peacful with us is if we attacked Israel. You seem to think you can reason with fanatics you can`t.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:50 am
    Israel exisiting is all they need to hate us and get members

    Certainly a selling point, but your life expectancy in al-Qaeda is, unfortunately, incredibly short. Almost certainly operatives would be wasting their life on a suicide mission that wouldn`t sway anyone`s opinion. It`s why al Qaeda has difficulty acquiring money and men nowadays.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    November 1, 2012 at 10:52 am
    I`m all for drones as long as each one is programmed to immediately kill slow drivers in the fast lane, anyone sporting ICP tats, and anyone sagging their damned pants.

    Tick tick boom.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 11:02 am
    How about let congress approve of a list of targets BEFORE bombing

    A piece from USC Art I Sec 8

    ...grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal...

    Ye olde speak for "kill or capture" warrant.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 11:23 am
    ...grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal...

    YAARRRG!! They be pirate ships!! I COULD TECHNICALLY BE A PIRATE SHIP CAPTIAN SOMEDAY!!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 11:25 am
    YAARRRG!! They be pirate ships!! I COULD TECHNICALLY BE A PIRATE SHIP CAPTIAN SOMEDAY!!

    Really? The "archaic language" canard? You`re seriously going to play that card?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 11:32 am
    Okay actually they allowing capturing, not killing. Still Congress can authorize the use of force.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    I like the Idea of dropping candy from drones.

    How about, instead of giving billions to despotic leaders we employ an army of drones to deliver aid to the hungry people who need it 24/7 as these things don`t need rest, cutting out the middleman. Surely the the poorest, hungriest people in the world would then be disinclined to take up arms against us. The despotic leaders would also lose one of the tools that they use to manipulate the people.

    Currently their use probably commits a war-crime.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    Really? The "archaic language" canard? You`re seriously going to play that card?

    But I got me Letters of Marque! Iz a privateer!!
  26. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    Okay McGovern, you`re a funny man.
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    @uunxx "advanced technology of war is the very reason why terrorism exists. There was no terrorism in times when all people were equal and they just bludgeoned each other."

    Yea there has actually been terrorism for a LONG Time, Burning Down houses attacking the people they didn`t like. What do you think the KKK was?
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    this is what happens when the people of a government that is designed to be BY THE PEOPLE forget that part and stop paying attention.

    every time I hear someone say, "Oh I am not that into politics" what I actually here is, "My freedom doesn`t matter to me one bit".
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    Thursday, November 01, 2012 10:01:42 AM
    "I am glad to hear that drones are being used and for the people that beleive that drones will be hovering over america helping police....well you shouldn`t have a problem unless you are doing illegal activities would you?"

    the battle cry of a truly naive person. unchecked power is NEVER a good thing to give the government and using the "trust me" tactic, never a good way to go about keeping the gov accountable.

    YOU are exactly the problem in this country. Uninformed and terrifyingly naive.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2012 at 8:16 pm
    Jamie. You expect the sheeple to awake?
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    lifeavoidit Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 2:22 am
    Nuke em
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    ScissorFox Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 2:33 am
    Skynet...That is all.
  33. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 3:29 am
    Iraq was already preventable.
    @FoolsPrussia: True that! Saddam could have NOT invaded Kuwait...
    Oh, you were blaming Bush again? Nevermind.

    "1) Stop supporting despotic leaders who persecute their people"
    Name 3 middle-eastern non-despots. Go on, you can use google and everything to try to find them.
    Hint: Israel is one...

    "2) Take a position of neutrality in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict"
    That worked SO WELL in preventing WW2! The "head in the sand" policy has never failed the USA before!

    "3) Support democratic movements within middle eastern countries"
    Um, that`s what THEY call `interference`. So how does that count as NOT interfering & making them angry?

    "4) Remove U.S. troops, particularly from Afghanistan, which is viewed throughout the mideast as an occupation"
    ic: surrender! That will make them stop hating y`all! NOT! If USA is seen as weak? I
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 3:42 am
    ...it INVITES attacks.

    "advanced technology of war is the very reason why terrorism exists."

    @uunxx: Are you delusional?
    #1: Partisans Wiki says they`ve been used since 1789!

    Both the Confederacy and (more famously) the Union used "Raiders" in the US Civil War.

    We`d call those, and countless others in history, "terrorists" in modern times.

    "you`ll blow up a subway station"
    I thought you only had "a club"? (lolz!)

    "It would undermine a key selling point for them."
    That`s true @FP! If Israel was destroyed, then AQ couldn`t use it for recruiting! Great idea! (you have a bad case of "the dumb" today dude, fyi)
    HINT: Jihadists don`t NEED an excuse! Our mere existance as infidels is all the reason they need. It says so in the
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 4:03 am
    How about let congress approve of a list of targets BEFORE bombing.
    @Cajun: Didn`t you get the memo?
    Bush drones = BAD! Breaks the law!
    Obama 3X as many drones = GOOD! He`s above the `law`!

    But realisticly? There might be a 2-3 hour "window of opportunity" to launch a strike. I don`t think Congess works that quickly...

    Drones to immediately kill... anyone sporting ICP tats
    Careful @BoredFrank, your inner facist is slipping out!

    @MacGovern & @Cajun: OUR guys are "privateers" while THEIR guys are "pirates". Get it?
    I got me Letters of Marque! Iz a privateer!!
    You Got It! lolz!



    We can haz... Letterz of Marque?

    @chalket & @jamie: I think @triki-trakes was being sarcastic. I HOPE he was, otherwise...
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 6:11 am
    "It`s widely been reported that drones are being used in drone strikes"

    You dont` say!!!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 7:10 am
    Bush drones = BAD! Breaks the law!
    Obama 3X as many drones = GOOD! He`s above the `law`!

    Drones are BAD PERIOD! The president who uses them is irrelevant.

    But realisticly? There might be a 2-3 hour "window of opportunity" to launch a strike. I don`t think Congess works that quickly...

    It`s not like we give up looking anyway.

    You Got It! lolz!

    Don`t throw me under bus so quickly, yes as I`ve already said Letters of Marque authorize captures.

    That`s true @FP! If Israel was destroyed, then AQ couldn`t use it for recruiting!

    Not what he was suggesting, we`d defend Israel but we`d let them handle the peace process on their own.

    Name 3 middle-eastern non-despots

    Daleita Mohammed Daleita-Georgia
    Ilham Aliyev-Azerbaijan
    Abdullah Gul-Turkey*
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 7:27 am
    *Erdogan`s the current prime minister but his predecessor`s a better example as a leader.

    [quote">That worked SO WELL in preventing WW2! The "head in the sand" policy has never failed the USA before![/quote">

    Certainly not as perilous as causing massive civillian casualties that would later encourage to take up arms against us. We only lost three ships. Secondly we were actually responding to events in Europe.

    [quote">If USA is seen as weak? ...it INVITES attacks.[/quote">

    Top 10 Countries without a military

    Obviously these are small countries. But keeping a limited footprint in the world does NOT invite attack.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 7:27 am
    Daleita Mohammed Daleita-Georgia

    Daleita Mohammed Daleita-Djibouti

    Fix`d
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 8:09 am
    Certainly not as perilous as causing massive civillian casualties that would later encourage to take up arms against us.

    Ummm pretty sure firebombing Germeany and Japan did cause massive civilian casualties. That and a nuke or two.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 8:16 am
    What the hell am I saying?

    We`d defend Israel AND we`re neutral?
    *facepalm*

    In any case Israel is a strong nation with a vibrant economy and is considered regional superpower. Our absence from the region wouldn`t jeopardize their existence
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 8:17 am
    Ummm pretty sure firebombing Germeany and Japan did cause massive civilian casualties. That and a nuke or two.

    Which we followed up by cleaning up our mess. Drone strikes? No, do the act, wash our hands, and pretend like nothing happened.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 8:46 am
    Also in those cases we were at war with NATION-STATES, big difference there bub.
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 9:55 am
    One the one hand: drones save the lives of soldiers that would otherwise be needed.

    On the other hand: making warfare as easy as playing a videogame is one hell of a slipperly slope.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:41 am
    Drones are BAD PERIOD! The president who uses them is irrelevant.
    NOY according to the MSM!
    Bush has wars = huge demonstrations organized by various Democrat, leftists and Unions (sorry to repeat myself).
    Obama has wars = sound of crickets

    Only "Code Pink" has the balls to protest Obama`s AND Bush`s drone use. ONLY THEM! How sad is that?

    You Got It! lolz!
    I meant the `you` to be plural, sorry! I should have said "you both got it". My bad!

    ...we`d defend Israel...
    See? Those 3 words there are EXACTLY what fires up the Jihadists! No further fuel is required! Until Israel is GONE they have Jihad.

    Azurbaijan is in the "Middle East"? idk bro, that region is usually refered to as "The Cacucauses" eh?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus
    yup! (you had Georgia in ther
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 10:57 am
    Djibouti = Africa...
    But high marks for the effort!

    What the hell am I saying?
    We`d defend Israel AND we`re neutral?
    *facepalm*
    Lolz @Cajun! I wasn`t going to berate you for it, I know what you mean (stay out as best the USA can) & support that (somewhat). I`m glad you noticed the inherant contradiction in your statements...

    Which we followed up by cleaning up our mess.
    I`m sure the millions of dead civilians really appreciated that! Close to 10 million actually... thanks for digging our graves America!

    The "Two-Ocean Navy Act" violated a treaty which the USA signed with Britian and Japan, which really REALLY pissed off the Japanese! Of course their plans were already made, so it didn`t `directly` cause war...

    #9 Palau: USA provides her defence needs. BZZZT! NEXT! (that`s not "has no army" they just use another nation`s army)
    Ditto: 7, 6, and 3 others too...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:23 am
    YAAARG!! Gimme the keys to a privateer and a hardy crew of missles!!! I`ll make the hajis rue the day they messed with us!! Also mabey some outlying towns... cities...lakes... and heards of goats!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:30 am
    I`m sure the millions of dead civilians really appreciated that!

    Now that mentioned it, relations normalized with increased trade actually. So yeah not as the way I originally stated it.
    My point is though the way we`re using Drones suggests that we`re really unaware of the emotional/political ramifications of such attacks. Sure one attack in a generation some hard feelings but not likely to lead to blowback. But we`re talking about MULTIPLE attacks within a year.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:35 am
    NOY according to the MSM!
    Bush has wars = huge demonstrations organized by various Democrat, leftists and Unions (sorry to repeat myself).
    Obama has wars = sound of crickets

    You notice my avatar says "Obomney" right? I didn`t vote for Obama this time around (early voting, it`s a mess on election day). I voted for Obama in `08 because I WANTED him to reverse the evils of the Bush admin. Instead he compounded on them, thus he lost my vote.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 2, 2012 at 11:46 am
    @Cajun: Hooray! One down, 47% of America to go!
    (j/k!)

    Arrrg! MacGovern Them Barbary `musclemen` have vexed us long and terribly! Let us set sail, and show them our wrath!

    (The USA was fighting Muslim "Terrorists" back in 1801-1805...)

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