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  1. Profile photo of Bakcagain21
    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    Link: Why Obama? - An animation about US presidential election, by Family Guy animator Lucas Gray. Great piece of communication
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
    2550 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    That was `economy`
    Some one do the `foreign policy`
    Oh never mind since Mitty agrees with the president on all the existing policies.
    Good night!
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
    3060 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    This isn`t an argument of "Why Obama". To me, it seems to be more about "Why not Romney".
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    WOnder how long it will be before the republicans come in and try to say its lies, even though its fact. Or theyll try and do their usual trick of shifting the discussion elsewhere.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    Even if you believe the arguments presented, and are genuinely convinced that Obama`s economic policies are wiser/fairer/more personally beneficial to you personally than Romney`s, the real question I`d like to ask is does any of that top Obama`s complete failure to follow-through with the human rights promises that got him elected last time? Does your desire to obtain health insurance top the fact that drone strikes, Guantanamo Bay Concentration Camp, and endless pointless wars in the Middle East, are all still characteristics of America`s present foreign policy, when Obama claimed to be against these things when he was trying to get your vote first time around? If so, then by all means vote for him. In your shoes, I wouldn`t: my conscience wouldn`t let me.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    Typical Keynesian baloney. Ask yourself this, why did the internet take off and become so successful? Was it because the government regulated it? No, It became successful because it`s free of the burdensome federal crap that brick and mortar stores have to deal with.

    The democrats have been trying to get their greasy hands on the internet for years, to tax it to death, they see it as an untapped revenue source, not the economic and wealth creation engine that it is.

    If you want to see the internet die vote democrat, because with their continued Keynesian spending, they`ll have to find new sources of revenue and the easiest most expedient source for that revenue is the internet.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    Typical Keynesian baloney. Ask yourself this, why did the internet take off and become so successful?

    That depends on what you mean by "successful". If you mean it`s allowed you and me to disagree with one another more easily, then sure: the internet`s been successful. But if you mean it`s made the majority of its investors a lot of money, then there are some people with Facebook shares that I think might have something to say about that.

    Anyway, whatever the actual economic realities, like I say for me it all comes down to human rights. Do you care about them?, or don`t you? And if you do claim to care about them, do you care about them enough to put your own parochial interests and potential for personal profit aside to make a stand against someone that threw every human rights undertaking he ever made to the wind ten seconds after he got into office.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    MacGuffin, you are ignoring what he *has* done. He`s greatly expanded rights and privileges of gay Americans. He`s expanded healthcare benefits to women. He *tried* to and *wanted* to shut down Guantanamo. Need I remind you of the nasty vitriol and hatred and slurs he received for the effort. Not to mention the complete and unified opposition that he`s received since day one from the Republicans in Congress. He`s fighting against a TIDE of threats against the human rights of gay Americans, women, those of lower socioeconomic status. You know, the 47%. He`s greatly drawn down the wars, and you have to admit that drones kill far fewer than tanks and bombs and soldiers on the ground. So, my conscious is clear. He`s not perfect. He`s not done all he`s wanted to do, or all we`ve wanted. But not voting for him is a vote for Romney. And *that*, my conscious cannot allow.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    October 28, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    When I say that my conscious is clear, I mean in voting for him, not insomuch that *any* deaths occur due to our wars, which, even as a veteran, I am against. We never should have been in Iraq, and the only reason we ever had to be in Afghanistan was because OBL was there. We should have left immediately when we found he`d left.
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    boogarcym Male 40-49
    316 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    Surprised this had at least one spelling mistake....
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    MacGuffin, you are ignoring what he *has* done. He`s greatly expanded rights and privileges of gay Americans.

    Don`t make me laugh. Obama *delayed* the end of Don`t Ask Don`t Tell after a court had already ordered it to stop by appealing their decision. And why? Just because he wanted to play the hero and *appear* to be the one that had made the decision when in reality it had been forced upon him. Doing the right thing only after some higher authority makes you do it is no badge of honour.

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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    He *tried* to and *wanted* to shut down Guantanamo. Need I remind you of the nasty vitriol and hatred and slurs he received for the effort.

    My heart bleeds for him. Bottom line: he`s the fecking President. If he wanted to close Guantanamo Bay Concentration Camp badly enough, it would have happened. Clearly he didn`t want it. It doesn`t look like he wanted to release photos of US personnel committing serious and unpunished crimes like rape, torture and murder against Iraqi civillians enough either, because he back-tracked on that promise in double-quick time too. And what was his transparent rationalisation for that? : that to reveal such evidence of serious war crimes would "risk American lives". Like ignoring human rights abuses and the anger that provokes doesn`t risk American lives, and the lives of America`s allies.

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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    But not voting for him is a vote for Romney.

    I`ve said it before, I`ll say it again, and I`ll keep on saying it. Voting for someone merely because you don`t like somebody else is asinine. Look at what happened when you voted for Obama just for not being George Bush and all that he stood for. You got four more years of the exact same Bush foreign policies perpetuated. If you don`t care about that, by all means vote for Obama again. If you claim to care about it and you vote for this opportunistic pathological liar again, I`ve no sympathy for you.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm
    He *tried* to and *wanted* to shut down Guantanamo.
    No @SmagDemocratBoy, no he did NOT!

    All it takes?
    Obama: "Hey, you! Close Gitmo!"
    USA: "Yes Sir!"

    See? No House, Senate OR ANYTHING is required!

    Therefor, you cannot blame the "evil Repubs" for this one: Not Even In You Wildest Dreams!

    This one: not closing Gitmo? This one is 100% OBAMA!
    I LOL in your general direction!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    PS: SIX TRILLION+ IN NEW DEBT IN ONLY FOUR YEARS!

    Oh sorry, that`s just a "vast right wing conspiracy"... lolz!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    Fair enough, MacGuffin. You`ve got your convictions, and I appreciate them. And I honor those convictions, even if mine are aligned slightly differently. Yes, ideally, Obama most assuredly would have solved the issues you list. There`s no doubt. But I know that McCain would have made them worse. So, to me, that`s something. And Romney will, too, if given the chance. He`s said so. So, yes, voting "against" Romney, for those reasons and more, *is* a stand on moral grounds. Just because something isn`t perfect or exactly what I want doesn`t make it wrong. I`d rather have partially right than absolutely wrong. And, like it or not, that`s not asinine, it`s just the hand we`ve been dealt. What, should I vote for no one? Or a third party candidate who won`t be elected no matter what?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    Whatever, 5Cats. I live in the real world where closure of American bases and transfer of prisoners requires congressional support. Read this, from the Washington Post, unless you`re going to just call it lies and liberal slant. Which is fine, and predictable, but that won`t make it any less true.
  18. Profile photo of Bakcagain21
    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    @MacGuffin hypothetical situation taking it to the extreme here. UK constituency BNP have 40% of the vote, Labour have 35% and 10% favour green. Labour and green have a general consensus on most things although Labour doesn`t go as far as green. BNP is seen as evil by both groups. Would you happily vote green knowing it would mean the consensus left vote is split and BNP get in?
    This is the decision most people are making in the US, I`m not 70% on Romney, but Obama im only 20% agreeable on. If I don`t vote Romney because it`s tight Obama get`s in and vice versa. And it`s very idealistic to boil it down to your level of simplicity and act pious. If they had a system like the London Assembly then yeah but unfortunately the system doesn`t afford that luxury.

    Also yes his POTUS bu you know that contains a lot more soft power then hard power don`t you. It`s not a dictatorship.
  19. Profile photo of Bakcagain21
    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    @Crakrjak Seriously, the internet which has destroyed creative industries by lack of regulation allowing rampant piracy. Yes too much regulation is wrong, but no regulation is worse for everyone(the porn industry is now being killed by the free tube sites :`( ), otherwise we`d just end up with monopolies, or rampant theft meaning no one puts money into developing anything.
    It`s become widespread and successful because it`s lazy, you can sit at home order food, products, movies without getting dressed and going out the house. That`s why it`s been successful, same reason remote controls became successful nothing to do with regulation.
  20. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 4:50 pm
    hypothetical situation taking it to the extreme here. UK constituency BNP have 40% of the vote, Labour have 35% and 10% favour green. Labour and green have a general consensus on most things although Labour doesn`t go as far as green. BNP is seen as evil by both groups. Would you happily vote green knowing it would mean the consensus left vote is split and BNP get in?

    No. But only because I don`t agree with Green Party policies, not because I`d fear the BNP getting in. If the BNP can muster enough people that actually agree with their policies to vote for them, then they deserve to get in, however repugnant I personally find them. I wouldn`t vote for either Labour (because of the way they took us to war in Iraq against massive public and legal opinion to the contrary), or for the Greens (because I simply don`t agree with their policies). I`d never vote for either of them just to keep the BNP out. As noted, I consider negative voting like that to be asinine.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    @Macguffin I prescribed your support to the parties in a hypothetical situation I wasn`t asking for opinions of the actual parties. The point is Supporters of A and B support 90% of the same things but differ on 10% of issues. Supporters of C are people who would destroy human rights and the economy. A & B collectively are 65% of electorate, supporters of C make up 35% of the electorate. The majority agree on 90% of stuff, but you`ll let the 35% decide the outcome because you disagree with 10% of the policies of A. So you`ll end up with someone who`s 65%(the majority) of the population disagree with 100% of the policies because they couldn`t agree about 10% of differences. 90% of what you agree with is better then 0% of what you agree with.

    That isn`t asinine your black and white view of the world is asinine and will lead to more harm them good being committed, when an electoral system is stacked against purely moral voting
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    Why NOT Obama
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    inaria Female 18-29
    1515 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    Stuff would be accomplished so much quicker if people got out of the mindset of "republican" or "democrat" and thought more of the common welfare of everyone. I feel sorry for Americans. Your political system is becoming so polarized that its ineffectual.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6205 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    5Cats

    The truth is I have no idea why Guantanamo is still open. Neither do you.

    For all we know, once Obama was elected, the joint chiefs of staff sat him down and said "we need this to remain open".

    Here is the thing. What POSSIBLE motivation does Obama have to keep it open? He doesn`t gain anything from it and he takes heat for it. So there has to be a reason, and I can`t think of a self serving one. Can you?

    This article says:

    "Adopting a short-sighted “not in my backyard” attitude, Congress has barred Obama from transferring any detainees to the United States, not even to stand trial in a criminal court, and has put onerous conditions on their being transferred to any other country."

    http://tinyurl.com/8nj6cct
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
    3060 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    People DO know that Obama and Romney aren`t the only two running for office, right? Ok, just checking...
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    Guantanamo is still open because republicans fear it`s occupants. We have prisoners who`ve eaten human brains and their scared of goat f-ers. They might also be afraid that the courts would order the men freed for lack of evidence. Out of sight out of mind.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 9:21 pm
    Well, it starts out with a lie. Just who the hell does this little f***tard think signs the paychecks of that "strong and growing middle class?" Big Bird? For someone who has never signed the front of a paycheck in his life, this arrogant prick sure like to tell those who do it every week that he knows better than they do how to run a successful business.

    The rest of this is so much bull$#!+ liberal claptrap it`s not worth answering.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 9:45 pm
    Neither do you.
    Now @HG is adding `mind reading` to his list of skills!
    Can you?
    YES! Actually I can think of at LEAST 3...
    For all we know, once Obama was elected, the joint chiefs of staff sat him down and said "we need this to remain open".
    So? Why didn`t Obama just come out and say: "Heck! I was mistaken! It`s really important to KEEP Gitmo open!"

    Guantanamo is still open because republicans fear it`s occupants.
    @madest: this may be even stupider than "His pants are not tucked in" ok? It could very well be the stupidest thing you`ve ever typed in your life.

    If Democrats are NOT afraid of terrorists, why didn`t OBAMA let them out? Or move them to another location? Or hold trials for them?
    Or grant them all a Prestidential Pardon!

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    October 28, 2012 at 9:52 pm
    SO: @SmagBoy and @HolyGod (and presumably @madest) are saying: Obama CANNOT close or move Gitmo because it`s againt US laws (unless congress supports it).

    Right? That`s what I`m reading here, and it`s not unreasonable at all!
    However:

    #1 So Obama is so ill-informed he didn`t know this? NO ONE on his staff warned him of this? He made that promise at least 7 times...
    #2 With majorities in both branches, he still didn`t even TRY to close it? No effort at all?
    #3 It may well be that keeping it open is the BEST policy for the USA - but Obama refuses to admit this to the public?

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 2:43 am
    Bakcagain: the internet which has destroyed creative industries by lack of regulation allowing rampant piracy.

    I feel real sorry for the RIAA and MPAA, NOT!
    Those two organizations had their chance, early on, to set up i-tunes like sites, they panned the idea and doubled down on suing single mothers for tens of thousands of dollars, all while screwing over the artists they claimed to represent.

    Their media monopolies are still making a lot of money and they don`t give a crap about the artists, the only thing they care about are profits.

    And if you don`t think artists can make it these days because of piracy, you`re wrong. Artists have generally embraced the internet as an avenue outside the RIAA and MPAA to promote and sell their wares, they see it as a blessing not a curse.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 5:00 am
    @CrakrJak I`m surprised you`re sooo against property rights. I mean it wasn`t like corporations didn`t own the media and could decide how to distribute it. But you`re right because people like you want it, and it`s soo easy to take they should. It`s the same principle as wealth redistribution. Those fat cats had the chance but decided to build a mansion rather then cut the price of their products we should take their house turn it into a homeless shelter and give them a single flat all they really need and take all their property. And Artists should be happy they get their music everywhere, why do they expect to get paid for it I mean they wouldn`t do it if they didn`t love music and that should be why they do it.

    I`m not saying other methods can`t work, or shouldn`t be done. I`m saying you have no right to decide it you closet socialist.

    And it`s the porn stars I feel most sorry for, not the music industry.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 5:02 am
    That isn`t asinine your black and white view of the world is asinine and will lead to more harm them good being committed, when an electoral system is stacked against purely moral voting

    Oh please, you want to talk about black and white thinking? You can`t get any more black and white than voting for Obama purely because you don`t want Romney: that`s short-term thinking based on only looking at the next four years, rather than on looking long-term at fixing a broken system by refusing to vote again for candidates who break their solemn promises during their first term. You want to talk about black and white? What about those people who voted for Obama purely *because* he was black, and all the other Presidents that preceded him were white? I`m all for positive discrimination to break a chain, but the fact is he blew it by becoming what I suspect will in time be recognised at the worst black President ever.

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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 5:02 am

    What`s really got Obama`s supporters rattled is that he got into office on the backs of people that would always vote Democrat no matter what, buoyed by those of us who actually care about human rights, and who believed his promises to make amends for the previous Administration`s wrongdoing. The latter expected Obama to make good on his promises to deliver on human rights, and he failed to.

    That second group of people with genuine moral convictions will also decide the election this time around. I sincerely hope they decide to send a message to this President that pretending to care about human rights just to get elected then back-tracking on your promises right after you get into office will guarantee that you`ll be a badly-remembered One Term President. Future Presidential candidates need to learn that lesson, and only this electorate here today can teach it to them.

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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 5:02 am

    If you hand this pathological liar a second term, what you`re really doing is sowing the seeds of your own ongoing political disappointment by guaranteeing yourself a selection of similar opportunistic liars four years from now. If you want more credible options to choose from next time, send a message now that lying to get into office isn`t acceptable.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 6:50 am
    I feel real sorry for the RIAA and MPAA, NOT!
    Those two organizations had their chance, early on, to set up i-tunes like sites, they panned the idea and doubled down on suing single mothers for tens of thousands of dollars, all while screwing over the artists they claimed to represent.
    ^This. I`ve often said that it`s their own fault for not keeping up with new business models and changing technology. All they want is to be the gatekeepers, but now that the lock is broken they just whine and cry "Not fair!" Give me a break.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 7:04 am
    VV Well said @MacGuffin!
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 9:14 am
    If Democrats are NOT afraid of terrorists, why didn`t OBAMA let them out? Or move them to another location? Or hold trials for them? ----------
    Clearly written by a foreigner who doesn`t understand our system of government. Thanks for proving my point, again.
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    Jury1of1 Male 30-39
    132 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 9:18 am
    Worst black President ever.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 9:32 am
    He gives a good speech. Shame he didn`t get Republicans in congress to work together to the common good in this time of crisis. Still beats being a fatcat dickwad.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    @Jury1of1

    Hold your horses there pard`ner we got more to come.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    @Jury1of1: No, he`s the BEST "Black President" ever! lolz!!

    @madest: because obviously, NO ONE outside of America can possibly read a book or study inschool... unless their shirt isn`t tucked in? I suppose...
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    mentott510 Male 60-69
    204 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    Well done! Vote for Romney/Ryan and continue the regression of the USA back to a country like the one my grandparents left behind in Europe when they came to America. Those guys give me the creeps!
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    tatripp Male 18-29
    1196 posts
    October 29, 2012 at 9:57 pm
    @mentott510
    I agree that our country will regress, but not as quickly as if Obama is president.

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