The Current Cover Of The New Yorker Magazine [Pic]

Submitted by: An-egg 4 years ago Funny

Ouch, that hurts. Did Clint know something about the debate in advance?
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Female 2,691
Obama keeps blaming the USA cluster feck on that chimpy guy. Uhm, he left office four years ago. When will you start manning up and accepting responsibility for the current cluster feck?
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Male 7,908
OldOllie

That was an intelligent retort. I hadn`t looked at it that way. Well done.

My response would simply be that I don`t believe Obama necessarily has done this any worse. Look at a chart of the value of the dollar. It has been declining steadily for decades.
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Male 2,143
Romney is a Fool.
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Male 884
@Idlerlee2 I would point you to the record of elected presidents.
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Male 135
If you people over the pond manage to elect Rommney... actually no, you can`t possibly be that stupid
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Male 15,832
HG, I would revise your statement as follows.

Blaming [the president] because gas prices have gone up [in the short term] is like blaming [the president] because the iPhone 5 is too expensive.

You are correct insofar as no president can control short-term commodity prices. However, what we are seeing here is a LONG-TERM TREND caused by erosion of the dollar.

Think of it this way: if you had all the money, you could buy all the stuff. If you double the amount of money without doubling the amount of stuff, you could still buy all the stuff, but it would cost twice as much. The govt. is printing HUGE amounts of dollars to finance $trillions in deficits. The Fed is buying up T-bills at ~1% returns with money they are creating out of thin air. That makes every other dollar in the world, concluding those in your pocket, worth that much less. That not the same is a refinery going off line or tensions in the Mid East; that`s systemic.
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Male 4,283
"Your favorite polling company has a new poll out. Gallup Romney 47% Obama 47%, which is a 5 point bounce for Romney from their last poll."

I saw that this morning. I wonder why they have to do a side story on this. Why can`t they just do a daily poll instead of a 7 day percentage (or 3 days in the case of Rasmussen)? Their numbers come in daily. They should put out a daily poll also. It gets very confusing especially since todays Oct 1-7 poll has Obama at 50% to Romney`s 45%.

I wouldn`t get too excited. Sitting presidents are known to blow this first debate. Romney still has a large hill to climb.
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Male 884
The only people who benefit from higher gas prices are the oil cartels and the government who tax it. It does not benefit the environment as if consumption really went down, then the prices would also go down. How do the people in California who can`t get gas benefit?

How Does Gov. Brown releasing the winter blend (more polluting) to lower gas prices and avert a crisis help the environment?

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Male 7,908
CrakrJak

"markust: Your favorite polling company has a new poll out. Gallup Romney 47% Obama 47%, which is a 5 point bounce for Romney from their last poll."

You do understand that that doesn`t really matter right? Romney could be up 60% to 40% and still lose the election.

251 electoral votes are pretty much guaranteed for Obama. 181 for Romney. There are 106 up for grabs.

Romney needs 89 out of 106. If he loses Florida OR Ohio he loses. So it only matters what people in those two states think.

Remember how you support the electoral college? Remember that on election day.
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Male 2,362
What was that sound?
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Male 17,512
markust: Your favorite polling company has a new poll out. Gallup Romney 47% Obama 47%, which is a 5 point bounce for Romney from their last poll. Link
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Male 7,908
AuburnJunky

"People are stupid. That being said, they can spend their money on whatever they desire."

Absolutely. I just don`t want to hear them complain about gas. It is a pretty amazing deal in comparison.
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Male 2,362
Live within our means? What choo talkin` `bout Willis?!

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Male 2,357
I also agree that the economy is improving; however, we must take into consideration the debt in any reasonable assessment. Allow me to offer an analogy:

Imagine that Joe is 25. He has $40k in loans from college, a $25k loan for his brand new car, a $250k mortgage, and significant credit card debt. If we disregard debt, then by all accounts Joe is doing very well financially. Afterall, he has a car, a house, a college education, and many nice things. Now, if we consider the debt, he is suffering.

My issue is that we CONTINUE to put our eggs in the "we can spend now because we`ll be doing better later" basket. What happens if the economy does not improve at a significant enough rate to offset the increases in debt? What happens if the economy does not improve significantly at all?

Call me a cynic, but I would rather simply cut spending (live within our means) than find out.
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Male 579
How did the conversation get to gas prices over this photo? Either way, I agree presidents have ltitle to do twith gas prices; but you know darn well the press would go ape-crazy if this were a Republican president and gas prices more than doubled. That said, I may buy this New Yorker, just for the "BURN!" :)
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Male 10,339
"People readily spend $5 on 20 oz of hot water run through ground coffee beans with some artificial flavoring mixed in."

People are stupid. That being said, they can spend their money on whatever they desire.
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Male 7,908
I will say for the record, that I like high gas prices. High gas prices are better for the environment. They are better for traffic. They encourage people to live closer to work and slow urban sprawl. They create a demand for new technologies and stimulate the development of alternative energy.

$4 to send 5,000 pounds of metal, cargo, and people 30 miles at 70 mph? Seems pretty reasonable to me. People readily spend $5 on 20 oz of hot water run through ground coffee beans with some artificial flavoring mixed in.
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Male 10,339
"Would you like to guess which president has the highest gas price on record?"

In California? ;)

I keed I keed. You can`t argue that though. Who has the longest sustained period over $3? Obama CAN effect gas prices by the way.

Announce Keystone and expanded drilling, along with opening new refineries, and watch the price drooooooooooooop.
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Male 10,339
"is like blaming Obama because the iPhone 5 is too expensive."

About that.......
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Male 7,908
OldOllie

"gas prices have more than doubled"

Here are some quotes from Fox News:
"No president has the power to increase or lower gas prices"
"Nothing to do with the president"
"Politicians can not do a thing about it"
"The next time you hear a politician say that he or she will bring down oil prices, understand that it is complete B.S."
Of course that was 2008.

tinyurl.com/6t7d6w5

Blaming Obama because gas prices have gone up is like blaming Obama because the iPhone 5 is too expensive.
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Male 7,908
CrakrJak

"HG: Sure our GDP has went up by $2 trillion, but it cost $6 trillion. That`s a loss of $4 trillion compared with our debt."

You`re talking GDP of one year but dept in all years. Does that seem like the right way to do it? Debt is cumulative year over year, GDP is not.

I don`t attribute fiscal year 2009 to Obama. We`ve had this discussion before. Most economists agree on that fact. Fiscal year 2009 began under Bush, and Bush`s budget and policies extended until Oct 2009.

So the national debt on Oct 1 2009 was $11.9 T. Today it is $16.2 T. That is $4.3 T on Obama`s tab.

GDP 2009 (Attributed to Bush): $13.9 T
GDP 2010: $14.5 T (increase of $.6 T over 2009)
GDP 2011: $15 T (increase of $1.1 T over 2009)
GDP 2012 (estimate): $15.6 T (increase of $1.7 T over 2009)

So that is $3.4 T in GDP growth for $4.3 Trillion in spending.

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Male 17,512
HG: Sure our GDP has went up by $2 trillion, but it cost $6 trillion. That`s a loss of $4 trillion compared with our debt.

Think of it this way, You`re bragging about a new car worth $20,000, but if that car cost you $60,000 then you`ve lost $40,000.
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Male 17,512
markust: Too lazy to hit the delete key twice and get rid of the ")." at the end of Ollie`s link eh?
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Male 4,283
"gas prices have more than doubled"

Would you like to guess which president has the highest gas price on record?
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Male 15,832
HG, yes in some ways we are SLIGHTLY better off than at the worst of the recession, but not enough better off to brag about it. It`s been slowest and weakest recovery since the Depression. Basically, all we really have to show for 4 years of Obamanomics is another $6 trillion in debt, thousands of expensive new regulations, and the looming specter of Obamacare scarring employers into complete paralysis. And while hourly earnings are up by about 7% (according to your figure), gas prices have more than doubled, and food prices are skyrocketing as well. Of course, those things aren`t used to figure the inflation rate anymore, because they`re "too volatile." I think the inflation rate is now based on flash drives, flat-screens, and flip phones.

And Obama`s solution? Well, he thinks he can create more jobs by raising taxes on employers. When has THAT ever worked?

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Male 15,832
markust123, Sorry, but I`ve been having problems posting links here for the past 2-3 days. It`s just the US budget deficits by year. Google it yourself if you don`t believe me.

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Male 7,908
DromEd

"Umm...wasn`t unemployment 7.6/7.8 when Obama took office? That`s what I remember. So how is this an improvement?"

NO. Unemployment was 8.3% Obama`s first month in office on it`s way up. It increased for 8 months and hit 10% in October of 2009. It has been declining steadily since. Look at the chart in my link. Obama came in at the middle of that skyrocketing unemployment.

Source: tinyurl.com/3gss8qd
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Male 7,908
CrakrJak and OldOllie

Look at all the stats I posted and forget partisanship and politics for a moment. Forget who is president. Just based on those indicators doesn`t that say a lot to the economy being better off today than it was in 2009?
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Male 7,908
CrakrJak

"GDP growth is anemic."

GDP
Worst point 2009: $13.85 Trillion
Today: $15.83 Trillion
Source: tinyurl.com/8nmusfn

"The latest unemployment rate doesn`t count the tens of thousands of people that have quit looking for work"

Fine. So neither did the unemployment rate when he came into office right? It is the same data. We aren`t comparing unemployment now to unemployment under Reagan where you could make this argument. We are comparing unemployment now to when he took office. It is better now. Flat out. What you said changes nothing because both numbers would inflate.
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Male 7,908
CrakrJak

"So now that Quaribea met your challenge and offered her own experience to that answer, You`ve decided to move the goal posts."

One. I wasn`t moving the goalposts after her comment. I was working on my whole list of data but it hit 1000 chars, so I posted that by itself. I was working on it while she posted that. I never saw it.

Two. She didn`t meet my challenge. I asked for 5 economic indicators. Two things she said were COMPLETELY FALSE. One thing she said (gas) is not an economic indicator. One thing she said is that construction hadn`t gone up OR down. The only thing she said was our credit was downgraded.

Her personal experience, while sad, is anecdotal. You can find people doing well in the worst economy and people doing poorly in the best economy. No individual is reflective of the whole.
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Male 4,283
OldOllie your link is like all your arguments: 404 - Not Found.
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Male 15,832
[quote]It`s Capitalism VS Democracy. [/quote]
You couldn`t be more right. And considering that capitalism is responsible for unprecedented wealth and prosperity, and democracy (mob rule) has ALWAYS led to financial ruin and tyranny, I`ll be fighting on the side of capitalism.
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Male 15,832
[quote]Due to the Bush recession...[/quote]
Are you talking about the Pelosi/Reed recession? I seem to recall that the economy was doing fine till the Dems took over congress in 2007. In fact, the last budget passed by a Republican congress for FY 2007 had a deficit of only $167.4 bil (Source: http://tinyurl.com/33qgv4). It had dropped 3 years in a row, and it was on track to be balanced in 1-2 years.

If you want to know what caused all our problems, you need look no farther than Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, and CRADA. They caused the bubble in the housing market, and when it finally burst, it took the entire country down with it.
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Male 24
Keeping you at odds with your fellow countrymen arguing about poo that doesn`t really matter only helps to advance the globalist cause. It`s Capitalism VS Democracy. Take a look around and guess who`s winning. We should all be sticking together as Americans and fellow citizens of the world to fight back in this war against the working class. Try to see through the distractions and think critically.
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Male 24
You`re all sheep, believing what you`re told by the TV. The move to globalism requires the wealth of the US be divested for reinvestment overseas. Less business & less jobs = less overall tax base, more unemployment and a big drop in the standard of living. Globalism is the enemy along with every company and politician that tells you it`s good for America. These companies are no longer aligned with the USA except for what they can grift out of it. They are attempting to do to America what they had done to South America for practically the last century. Read John Perkins book, The Secret American Empire.If you care for the truth.
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Male 15,832
@chalket You have illustrated my point perfectly. You saw Romney in the debate, yet you choose not to believe what you saw. In your warped mind, that wasn`t the REAL Mitt Romney. No, the real Mitt Romney is that lying, insane, retarded Nazi that you see in Obama campaign commercials and the left-wing media. The person you saw and heard in the debate was some sort of holographic projection, or an android, or maybe an alien pod-person. That couldn`t POSSIBLY have been the same Mitt Romney you`ve come to know from all those 10-second sound bites and all those pointed descriptions you`ve been hearing for all these months. ("Romney believes..." or "Romney`s plan is to...")

You actually ARE that gullible buffoon in the old joke: "Who are you going to believe, Obama or your own damned lying eyes?"
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Male 4,283
"Umm...wasn`t unemployment 7.6/7.8 when Obama took office? That`s what I remember. So how is this an improvement?"

Due to the Bush recession unemployment started to rise dramatically March 2008 at 5.1% and peaked October 2009 at 10%. The numbers have fallen ever since as we pull ourselves out of the recession. Link
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Male 2,362
Oh yeah....how are gas prices not an economic indicator seeing as the price of everything is directly related to the price of fuel?
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Male 17,512
CU Boulder 2012 election forecast model has Romney winning in November. Link
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Male 17,512
HG: So now that Quaribea met your challenge and offered her own experience to that answer, You`ve decided to move the goal posts.

Obama has tried to move the goal posts too, but he said in his own words that he promised to get the job done in 3 years or he would be a "one term proposition".

This is not a recovery, this is a WRECKovery. GDP growth is anemic. The latest unemployment rate doesn`t count the tens of thousands of people that have quit looking for work, but it does count temporary seasonal jobs that won`t last past the end of the year.
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Male 884
you missed tha value of the dollar
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Male 2,362
Umm...wasn`t unemployment 7.6/7.8 when Obama took office? That`s what I remember. So how is this an improvement?
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Male 2,578
*golden economic time.
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Male 2,578
Guys, haven`t you been listening? A lot of the economic data is pretty good, with most of them being at Japan-like stall-speed.

But you have to know why, it isn`t the beginning of some miraculous recovery and we`re on the verge of becoming an economic powerhouse ready to churn out 4% yearly growth. Quite the contrary.

Conditions are rather similar to 2006, and thanks to the bailouts the same corrupt institutions that were around back then are still here, ready to frock us. We have a lot of easy money, lots of corrupt and bad deals, and an economy artificially propped up by those things, along with 8 trillion dollars of deficit spending (6 of it under Obama) to "get out" of the crisis and EXCESSIVE Quantitative Easing.

You would be blind to think it isn`t going to come crashing down. It doesn`t even matter who is president. A perfect storm is brewing. Japan is weak. China has stalled. Europe is washed up. We are not on the verge of some golden econom
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Male 4,283
The minute Obama was elected the Republicans started calling it an Obama recession. That was one of the strongest talking points they were pushing at the time.

If by some miracle Romney wins, that night they will go into positive mode of how things are improving just by him being elected. That is what I am fighting for. I don`t want the Republicans to get the credit for all the hard work Obama has done.
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Male 7,908
Another good one:

GDP
Worst point 2009: $13.85 Trillion
Today: $15.83 Trillion
Source: tinyurl.com/8nmusfn

In fairness I did find another indicator that is worse now then at the worst point of 2009, Median Household Income. It is down from it`s 2009 low point. It didn`t bottom out till 2011. It is up significantly since then however.
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Male 7,908
Markust123

"The debt is the only issue but Obama is slowing that down."

Thanks for the correction. I meant the debt, not the deficit. Although they both are a problem.
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Male 4,283
"The deficit is an issue. From what I can see however, it is really the only one."

But even that is down $200B from last year and is looking to be down another $200B next year. The debt is the only issue but Obama is slowing that down.

Obama has raised more campaign money than Romney. He is on track to reach a billion. Obama is ahead in the polls against Romney by about 4 points. His approval rating is 50%. And at the beginning of the vote in November he only needs 33 electoral votes to win. Romney does not have a chance in hell.

Lie all you want that the sky is falling it doesn`t change the actual fact that things are improving.
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Male 7,908
MEDIAN HOME LIST PRICE
Worst point 2009: $205,100
Today: $256,000
Source: tinyurl.com/cddzufx

That certainly looks to me like things are better.

Yes it is on the credit card. The deficit is an issue. From what I can see however, it is really the only one.
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Male 7,908
Here are some economic indicators. These aren`t spun. They are just data.

UNEMPLOYMENT
Worst point 2009: 10%
Today: 7.8%
Source: tinyurl.com/9g6gek4

NEW HOME BUILDS
Worst point 2009: 478,000
Today: 750,000
Source: tinyurl.com/d32lag8

HOME PURCHASES
Worst point 2009: 4.49 Million (seasonally adjusted annual rate)
Today: 4.82 Million (seasonally adjusted annual rate)
Source: tinyurl.com/8eqa2ts

NASDAQ
Worst point 2009: 1293
Today: 3136
Source: tinyurl.com/8a96afo (change to 5yr)

DOW
Worst point 2009: 6,626
Today: 13,610
Source: tinyurl.com/455lbcj (change to 5yr)

CHANGE IN JOBS
Worst point 2009: -818,000
Today: +114,000
Source: tinyurl.com/3non4n6

AVERAGE HOURLY EARNINGS
Worst point 2009: $22.03
Today: $23.58
Source: tinyurl.com/9tu5d8r

EMPLOYED PEOPLE:
Worst point 2009: 129,319,000
Today: 133,500,000
Source: tinyurl.com/
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Male 458
"You guys are all wrong. Chairs aren`t racist. Podiums on the other hand, very racist. "
You mean lectern. Podiums are something you stand on.
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Male 7,908
Quaribea

"2-Gas prices are up"
Not an economic indicator

3-House prices are down
FLAT OUT WRONG. According to the national association of realtors median home price in the United States is at a 5 yr high.
Source: tinyurl.com/cddzufx

4-Forclosures are up
FLAT OUT WRONG. "On average, 104,000 homes have entered the foreclosure process each month going back to May. That`s well below the 178,000 per-month average in 2009, the year with the highest monthly average, RealtyTrac said."
Source: tinyurl.com/8lrf6x8

Maybe this is why Obama is in trouble. Because people like you just believe things that are FLAT OUT WRONG. Look up the data yourself. It is easy. If you want to debate me you have to site sources.
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Male 7,908
CrakrJak

Let me amend that. It is unfair, in my opinion, to just say Jan 2009. Obama came in as things were getting worse and they continued to do so. For the sake of discussion let`s say the worse part of 2009 to now. I think that is fair don`t you?
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Female 34
HolyGod-
1-The US credit rating has been downgraded
2-Gas prices are up
3-House prices are down
4-Forclosures are up
5-Construction spending is flat
Maybe you are not like our family. We`ve lost $40,000 in equity in our home. My husband lost his higher paying job and had to take one that pays $20,000 a year less. The "change" we`ve seen has been for the worse, and there is not a lot of "hope" sitting around here either.
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Male 2,345
OldOllie, in rebuttal to your comments, nah Ahhh.

for everything being said about this debate it did nothing to boost Romney at all. Obama looked bad but Romney said nothing new, nothing we have not heard him say before.

Obama is still commanding a 7 point lead and with the jobs number announced and despite GOP spin on those numbers, that lead is going to grow.

Mitt is the wrong person.

the GOP didn`t want him in 2008, he was a lackluster leader as Gov. of Mass and none of that equals up to a presidential contender.

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Male 2,711
The list goes on and on, lie upon lie, and you wing-nuts fell drooling all over every single one of them! The funniest part of this IAB political season is... none of you even wanted Romney! He`s your default fall-back and yet you all faun over him like he`s the messiah sent by Joseph Smith to save us from "that Kenyan Muslim!" lmao!
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Female 2,764
according to facebooks last ad- Mitt Romney was debating facebok...
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Male 2,711
O.O. You are dumber than a sackful of hammers if you believed one word of Mitt`s debate performance (that is ALL it was, a performance of lies). Mittens flipped his flops on every freaking issue! First he`s FOR cutting taxes on the wealthy, now he`s not? He promised to cut the education budget, now he claims he never said it? He said at rallies that it`s time for smaller government and fewer teachers and firefighters, while in the debate he thinks we need more teachers? The Romney/Ryan plan calls for turning Medicare into a voucher system, but now he says that`s not true? He wants to pay for his $5 Trillion tax giveaway with airy promises of eliminating unspecified deductions and loopholes, but the only one he would name is Big Bird, for crying out loud! That`s a whopping 0.00012 percent of the federal budget!
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Male 7,908
CrakrJak

"Obama can`t run on his record of failures"

Can you give me 5 economic indicators, outside of the deficit, that are worse now than they were in January 2009? I mean if he is such a failure lots of things should be worse right? However everything I see is better.
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Male 15,832
Obama came ready to debate a ridiculous caricature created by his campaign, not the actual Mitt Romney. Not only are they lying to the American people, though, they`re lying to themselves. They`ve been lying about Romney and his positions for so long, he has come to believe his own bull$#!+. He serious thinks Romney wants to give a $1 trillion tax break to millionaires and billionaires, raise taxes on the middle class, and let the poor fend for themselves. However, when confronted with the REAL Romney, he had no idea what he was up against or how to respond. It was as if he came prepared to fight Pee Wee Herman and ended up facing Mike Tyson.

He confirmed this the next day when he whined, "That wasn`t the real Mitt Romney." What he meant was, "That wasn`t the preposterous straw man we created." It was Obama`s ultimate Jerk Store Moment.

http://tinyurl.com/5lf8by
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Male 17,512
markust: To get a `footing` means you need to have a solid base to run on. Obama can`t run on his record of failures, thus no solid base, thus no `footing`.

He crumbled like a brick of feta cheese.
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Male 884
"Sitting presidents" -- Good one!
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Male 4,283
Sitting presidents have been known to blow their first debates. Ronald Reagan did. W did. Obama won all three of the debates in 2008. He`ll get his footing.
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Male 7,338
Thdot-"I thought empty chairs were racist."

An item, or statement, or a balloon, is only racist if a liberal is losing an argument and `deems` it racist.
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Male 7,338
skytz1337-"from my take of the debate...Obama couldn`t care less about Romney ..he just ignored him..."

...and the moderator, and the audience, and the cameras, and the American People.

This is one instance where the mainstream media could not attempt to cover up the fact that Obama is incompetent.
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Male 4,283
"I thought empty chairs were racist."

Awesome toll post. And it worked. Got exactly the response you wanted.
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Male 687
from my take of the debate...Obama couldn`t care less about Romney ..he just ignored him
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Male 2,362
Ouch!
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Male 5,620
You guys are all wrong. Chairs aren`t racist. Podiums on the other hand, very racist.
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Male 2,855
empty black chairs are racist
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Male 2,988
@Thdot, only when they are in trees. On the ground then its not racist.
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Male 658
I thought empty chairs were racist.
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Male 884
Link: The Current Cover Of The New Yorker Magazine [Pic] [Rate Link] - Ouch, that hurts. Did Clint know something about the debate in advance?
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