Romney: Privatize Disaster Relief (Really?)

Submitted by: chalket 4 years ago in

Mitt Romney calls Federal Disaster spending ""immoral"" and wants to privatize it! Tell that to all the "Sandy" victims.
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Male 560
(cont) gotten under the ERASMUS scheme. Very nice to get but unnecessary
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Male 2,711
CrakdJak: "madest: You`ve been caught in more lies here than anyone" BULLpoo! You have twice the posts, and at LEAST twice the lies and deceit. (you`re post I quoted adds yet another to your score, Dude... Lebowski is ashamed of you.)
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Male 10,338
"I was on unemployment for 6 weeks at the end of Bush 1`s term"

Moocher. Leech.
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Male 17,512
madest: You`ve been caught in more lies here than anyone, including some deceitful and devious behavior when you were a mod here.

[quote]I won`t sell you crap and tell you it`s really gold.[/quote]

No of course not, you just believe you sh|t gold bricks and insist others believe your delusion.
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Male 7,378
CJ, I was on unemployment for 6 weeks at the end of Bush 1`s term. Other than that I`ve work steadily since I was nine. Don`t pretend you`re anything like me. I won`t sell you crap and tell you it`s really gold.

This is Pauls Ryans Social Security plan which Mitt Romney said he supports and this is how crazy that ass pipe is on abortion. Don`t tell my you like politicians that lie because that would make you a liar
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Male 17,512
[quote]What baffles me is that he throws his support behind people who believes he and many others are not entitled to receive it.[/quote]

This libel against republicans has been going on for decades, they said Nixon would take SS away, they said Reagan would take away SS, they said both Bushs would take it away as well. All BULLSH|T lies meant to scare people. And btw, which president actually made people work to get welfare? Bill Clinton, a democrat. Who`s about to bankrupt Medicare? Obama, a democrat.

And btw, madest how long were you on unemployment? How much of that money did you waste on buying pot? Did you get EBT as well?

I know you won`t answer, because I`ve asked before and you wouldn`t say. Talk about hypocrisy, you go and berate me and took government entitlements yourself.

So GBIOYA.
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Male 7,378
Like our HolyGod once said, Even Stephen Hawking has a job.
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Male 14,331
@madest

I think you`re confusing disability with unwillingness.
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Male 7,378
CrakrJaks in his 40`s and on Social Security? How does that happen? No wonder Social Security is going broke. People have found a way to abuse government handouts as early as possible and as long as possible. I`m with Mitt Romney on this one. We need to crack down on people that abuse the system. And don`t give me this crap about you paying into it. You`ve done nothing for at least the last 4 years. You`re the problem CJ. Welfare queens who game the system are just as guilty as billionaire tax dodgers.
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Male 3,445
`You live in Floridia it should be easy to see`

I live in California, which is like Florida but without the old people, the bestiality, and the face eaters.
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Male 14,331
@FoolsPrussia

An entire saftey net LOL! A FEW ROFL!! You live in Floridia it should be easy to see. Look it`s simple!
1.Limit what it can be spent for.
2.Drug test still.
3.Make a job program to coincide with it don`t take the job no welfare.
4. If you keep having kids you don`t get more money.

That about does it but that would cause a demographic to not vote for you because it would require them to not be a parasite.
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Male 3,445
`You need to open your eyes then it`s quite easy to see. You know it isn`t hard to beat a drug test right? Nor are drug tests a mesure of people making a career out of welfare.`

I never said tests couldn`t be beaten, but I just cited that as one example of an attempt to catch those people that failed.

The problem is you seem to think it`s worth shutting down an entire safety net just to stop a few people from taking advantage. So what happens if more people fall into poverty as a result? That is a huge drag on the economy.
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Male 14,331

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Male 14,331
It amazes me how people think we can let a welfare system be taken advantage of by people unwilling not unable to work without a problem.
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Male 373
It amazes me how people can go after things like this and welfare/social security, confident in the fact that they will never need it.

That may be true for Mitt the Millionaire, but be realistic people, misfortune can befall anyone.
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Male 14,331
@FoolsPrussia

ROFL!! You need to open your eyes then it`s quite easy to see. You know it isn`t hard to beat a drug test right? Nor are drug tests a mesure of people making a career out of welfare. EBT cards can be cashed for whatever they want see a flaw there? You know why they don`t change that? Votes! Under the excuse that it would be degrading to limit what welfare queens can do with other peoples money.
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Male 3,445
`Probably because tons of people take advantage of it instead of getting a job`

Of course there are always people who will try to game the system, but how do you quantify this as "tons"? In Florida, they tried to implement drug testing for welfare recipients and found less than 2% were using. They ended up spending more money on the testing than would have been saved by kicking those people off.
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Male 3,445
`What baffles me is that he throws his support behind people who believes he and many others are not entitled to receive it.`

This is the irony of the Republican voter in a nutshell.
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Male 14,331
[quote]The term most often used here to cover these programs is "entitlements." It`s generally a dirty word in American politics, though I can`t understand why we demonize it. [/quote]

Probably because tons of people take advantage of it instead of getting a job. Like using the EBT card at casinos, liqour stores and such but to limit what it can be used for would be degrading.......
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Male 2,850
@FoolsPrussia

"So, Crakrjak isn`t on "welfare" as we call it, but he`s certainly taking advantage of our "entitlements," as he`s welcome to do."

I`ll correct to that term, then. CrakrJak is a recipient of entitlements.

And he most certainly is entitled to receive it.

What baffles me is that he throws his support behind people who believes he and many others are not entitled to receive it.
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Male 3,445
`Welfare is a generic term for many different social support systems, both inside your country and out. That includes the program you have called social security.`

The term most often used here to cover these programs is "entitlements." It`s generally a dirty word in American politics, though I can`t understand why we demonize it.

So, Crakrjak isn`t on "welfare" as we call it, but he`s certainly taking advantage of our "entitlements," as he`s welcome to do.
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Male 2,850
Just face it CrakrJak; you`re a welfare recipient.

There`s no need to be ashamed of that (your strong argument about the semantics suggests you are).

But you shouldn`t be so rabidly in support of those who threaten the very system you rely upon to live.

A republican on welfare is like a gay man donating to the Westboro Baptists.
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

Welfare is a generic term for many different social support systems, both inside your country and out. That includes the program you have called social security.

Having a social support system specifically named "welfare" does not stop the others being welfare systems, any more than Britain renaming itself "country" would stop the United States from being a country.
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Male 17,512
Musuko: If TANF, welfare, disappeared tomorrow here in the US, it wouldn`t effect me at all.

I`m on Social Security. I know you can say it S O C I A L S E C U R I T Y, there I`ve spelled it out for like I would a child, since you`re behaving like one.
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

Just because you also call a specific implementation of it by that name does not mean it is also still the generic term for it.

You are on welfare (the generic term), not welfare (the specific program).
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Male 17,512
Musuko: [quote]Welfare is a generic term for tax-funded state assistance, regardless of how it`s specifically implemented.[/quote]

It`s NOT A GENERIC term here, it`s a specific program, get that through your thick skull.
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

"Your a liar and a malcontent."

I`m waiting for you to slap me with a glove and say "Good day sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!"

Also, you`re. But I`ll chalk that one up to a genuine slip-up, as you don`t normally make that error.
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Male 17,512
Musuko: I didn`t google libel or slander, I have a dictionary and know how to use it, no shame in that.

But you should be ashamed of your continuing slanders, but you aren`t. You`re a liar and a malcontent.
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

Welfare is a generic term for tax-funded state assistance, regardless of how it`s specifically implemented.

You are on welfare. Whether you paid into it or not is irrelevant. You didn`t pay for your own current care. You paid for other people`s care. Other people are now paying for your care.

You did not pay into a specific pot of money marked "CrakrJak". You paid into the collective pool.

You. Are. On. Welfare.

Come to terms with that.
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Male 17,512
Musuko: [quote]Welfare is a generic term for state (as in, the nation, not what you call states) support. Social Security is a welfare system. Social Security is welfare. You are on welfare.[/quote]

Perhaps that`s how they are ran in your country, here they are ran differently, have different requirements, are funded differently and different entities (state & federal) run them.

They are different in the USA, I`m not on welfare, I worked and paid into the system an am drawing the benefits of that work.

[quote]You`re anti-welfare[/quote]

I`ve never said that here on IAB or elsewhere, another slander sir!
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

"BTW, both slander and libel are defamation, the only difference is the permanency of the statement."

Yes, I know all this. But I suspect you only know now after a quick google.

Oh look, there we go. Wikipedia`s article on the subject has "transitory" right there in the first sentence. Funny how you just happened to use that particular word, rather than one of the many others with the same meaning, completely independently, isn`t it? :P
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

Similarly, I ask whom you love because your stance on the sanctity of marriage would be undermined or strengthened by revealing if you`re a divorcee, never married, happily married, or otherwise.
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

"Welfare is not Social Security, never has been"

Welfare is a generic term for state (as in, the nation, not what you call states) support. Social Security is a welfare system. Social Security is welfare. You are on welfare.

Just because you call something else specific "welfare", does not mean the generic term of what welfare is does not apply.

Face up to the fact that you are a welfare recipient.

"Also, your questions are not relevant to the topic, thus they are ignored."

It`s very relevant. You`re anti-welfare whilst actually being ON welfare. It could not be more relevant.
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Male 17,512
BTW, both slander and libel are defamation, the only difference is the permanency of the statement. Since you can delete such posts they are `transitory` in nature thus I believe Slander or Calumny would be proper terms to describe your lies.
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Male 17,512
Musuko: Welfare is not Social Security, never has been. Most people on welfare have rarely worked much in their lives. To qualify for Social Security you must have worked at least 20 years, unless you are a surviving child, under 18, of a SS recipient.

These are two separate programs, TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) is a grant given to each state to run their own welfare program.

Social Security is Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance OASDI, which is a federal program and is primarily funded through dedicated payroll taxes called Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax FICA.

[quote]You appear on every single thread that mentions the subject on this site[/quote]

Bzzt! Wrong! Most of the time I skip over submissions involving the topic.

Also, your questions are not relevant to the topic, thus they are ignored.
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

"I`m not on `welfare`. I`m disabled and drawing Social Security"

That`s welfare. In what odd delusion is it not?

"I see that you`ve fully bought into the liberal BULLSH|T that the evil scary republicans are going to take away Social Security and Medicare."

It`s not your liberals who have been telling me that. They don`t need to. You only have to listen/read the words that fall out of your Republicans` mouths to know that`s their general view.

"I`ve also never screamed and raged against homosexuals"

You appear on every single thread that mentions the subject on this site, doing exactly that. You`re fooling nobody claiming otherwise.

Get your terms straight if you`re going to bandy accusatory words about: you should have used the word libel, not slander, as my statement was written and recorded.

I see you`ve ignored my questions again.
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Male 17,512
madest: From you, I take that as high praise. You`ve lost the argument, now you resort to the lowest form of cretinous behavior, insults.

Why don`t you go hassle something closer to your level of intelligence, perhaps a slug or snail?
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Male 5,811
This discussion got way off course, but to suggest private companies should be responsible for disaster relief is asinine, and all you have to do is look at how they run insurance companies and you`ll see that you either:
a) Will not be covered for many things that should be covered.
Or
b) You will pay insanely high premiums and likely will still have to bicker with them over the details.

State level may work, however I think that would depend on the state, and how big the disaster is. I doubt RI would be able to afford the cost of a major disaster on their own.
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Male 7,378
You`re a stubborn non-factual, double talking, douche.
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Male 17,512
Musuko: I`m not on `welfare`. I`m disabled and drawing Social Security, which I paid into most of my life.

I see that you`ve fully bought into the liberal BULLSH|T that the evil scary republicans are going to take away Social Security and Medicare.

I`ve also never screamed and raged against homosexuals, thanks for the heaping load of slander. Also I`ve never even discussed tax breaks for same-sex unions, once again slander.

madest: I see you`ve degenerated into personal attack mode because of your earlier idiocy, wtg you`ve sunk to a new low.
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Male 14,331
Ya the welfare system isn`t seriously flawed and filled with loopholes right now.....
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Male 7,378
He makes the people who hang by hooks (suspension) look like pussies.

I can answer that for him. No and no.
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Male 2,850
This also being the very same guy who screams and rages against us homosexuals wanting to steal from the public coffers in the form of marriage tax breaks...

...whilst at the exact same time he suckles on the teat of the very same public funds!

So now I have new questions to ask of CrakrJak.

I used to ask "whom do you love?"
Now I have to ask:
"Do you pay tax?"
"Do you work?"

No doubt he still won`t answer, claiming it`s his private business, whilst spending all his time on here voicing his opinions on everyone else`s business.
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Male 2,850
@madest

Oh god, that is rich.

How masochistic does he have to be to support politicians who actively and openly campaign to strip and defund the very support system he personally feeds from?
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Male 7,378
Yes Musuko42, Teabagger on welfare. HA!
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Male 2,850
Wait, CrakrJak is disabled and on welfare?

Seriously?
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Male 15,165
Dickwad
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Male 7,378
The one you`re talking about was a rescue job and not related to the 25days. Apology?
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Male 493
Sound like a good idea to me, if the States had the resources to fight a disaster instead of waiting for the Feds to come help, people would get help a day or two sooner.
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Male 17,512
madest: Now you link to a different event again.

I`m talking about the 1989 LOMA PRIETA EARTHQUAKE, You know the one where you said, "1989 Lome Prieta wasn`t a quake it was truck that exploded."

Now you`re pointing to the incident 18 years later, in 2007, where a truck did explode.

I`m not being stubborn for the hell of it, I`m right and I know it. Now please, quit embarrassing yourself, it`s making you look pathetic.
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Male 7,378
Your inability to admit when you`re wrong is astounding. Here`s an actual article from the day of the event. Your author "friend" is wrong. You should force him to apologize for making you look so stubborn over something so stupid. And if your politics are a reflection of this stubbornness you`ve made willful ignorance a virtue. Shame on you old man.
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Male 17,512
jamie: That`s because I know that taxing to death all the billionaires in the USA wouldn`t help, it would hurt. Most all billionaires don`t mind paying their fair share, but when that share becomes confiscatory then investment capital dries up and so does small business with it.

My vote can`t be bribed with continuous broken promises of hands outs, from democrats, for poor people like myself. I`m safe in the knowledge that republicans aren`t the mean, cold-hearted, haters of poor people that you make them out to be.
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Male 2,345
"Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:21:10 PM
Misfit-Mutt

"What is wrong with being a liberal?"

Because SOMEHOW millionaires and billionaires have used their propaganda wing to convince people like Crakr (who is poor, disabled, and receiving government assistance) that taxing millionaires and billionaires a little more so that government can use the money to help poor people is fundamentally wrong and un-american. It is really rather impressive. It is like getting a chicken to buy stock in KFC."

what you said right here is all anyone ever needs to know about Crakrjak...period.
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Male 2,345
OldOllie

no actually it is not. the Constitution says what the gov cannot do, not what it can do.

there is NOTHING in it that says it cannot use tax dollars to aid the people that generate the tax dollars...in fact the gov has a consititutional mandate to use tax dollars to improve the country and the lives of the people in it, ergo disaster relief.

but hey, Old, why don`t you head over to the East Coast and tell them they get no aid because you are a heartless SOB that does not believe we should help our own.

you clearly have NEVER been through a real tragedy...you know what, I just realized, you, the sad cat guy and a couple other people on here are truly not worth responding to...not enough going on in your head to argue with...
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Male 15,832
Federal disaster aid is blatantly unconstitutional, which today means absolutely nothing.
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Male 10,338
By the way:

The states are responsible for holding elections.

CONGRESS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SETTING THE DATE OF THE ELECTION!

So, if any state wanted to move it, it would have to be moved for all, and only CONGRESS can do that.
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Male 17,512
markust: It`s hard to disprove you on the 1989 Loma Prieta quake repair, What I know of it comes from a book and wikipedia. That quake was pre-internet, so finding news articles for it would be a task.

You wouldn`t like the author of the book I read it from, so I`m not even going to mention it.
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Male 3,310
There are states that seem to have hurricane landings, forest fires, landslides and earthquakes like they are going out of business. And there are other states who don`t. Yes, natural disasters do not respect artificial land borders, except in the cases the borders are drawn because of topography and sometimes contain threat. The issue is we have problem states. That need rebuilding, multiple times over within decades. And other states just helping to foot the bill. Everyone should be safe and have a local emergency response team that can respond better to local issues than any fed team can. Or we can keep encouraging the fifth rebuild of a coastal condo so that the greater good of having the condo available is met.
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Male 3,445
"Posting a link to a liberal blog that quotes an editorial from a liberal."

No, it`s a liberal blog quoting a right-leaning newspaper.
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Male 4,843
"I proved you wrong using your own link, the damage was due to an earthquake. You obviously didn`t even read your own link."

You are a stuburn stuburn man. The bridge that was repaired in 25 days was done in 2007 in the link I posted. I even posted the New York Times article you mentioned. Google C.C. Myers 25 days. You will be pointed to 2007 and a bridge repair from a truck accident.
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Male 17,512
FP: Posting a link to a liberal blog that quotes an editorial from a liberal. The bias is evident.

Romney did secure a total of $17.5 million in grants and an additional $27 million in low-interest loans from the Small Business Administration to repair damages after the May 2006 flood.
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Male 17,512
madest: I proved you wrong using your own link, the damage was due to an earthquake. You obviously didn`t even read your own link.

Markust: I forgot that they made that repair as well, just another example of their swiftness.
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Male 3,445
It seems to me that if Mitt Romney wants to turn FEMA`s responsibilities over to the states, he should have at least proven it was a good idea while governor:

"We find it inconceivable that Gov. Mitt Romney claims the state can do nothing to help those residents still struggling to rebuild homes and businesses after the May flood. Massachusetts is sitting on millions in unspent emergency funds from Hurricane Katrina and more than $1 billion in cash reserves, yet Romney has failed to even respond to the Lowell delegation`s requests to discuss additional aid for victims."

Source
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Male 39,525

Hurricanes in New York are not new. Between 1950 & 1960 10 hurricanes landed in New England. So why are we so unprepared..... every year.


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Male 4,843
President Obama has knocked this one out of the park. Even Governor Christie has given him mad props for the handling of the response to this storm.
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Male 4,843
"One more week until all this sh*t is over and then everyone can start arguing over who "stole" the election. No matter what the outcome, the losing party will immediately start accusing the winner of voter fraud. Woohoo, can`t wait for that!!!"

I`m going to be in DC the week of the election visiting a friend. My trip would be a whole lot better if my guy won.
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Male 7,378
CJ, You`re wrong. That had nothing to do with 25 day repair that was a rescue job. Do you even understand the words you write? Wikipedia says the 25day repair was on the McArthur Maze. It claims 26days (equally impressive). And FEMA was not involed, look it up.
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Male 2,516
haha well put HolyGod
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Male 9,496
Misfit-Mutt

"What is wrong with being a liberal?"

Because SOMEHOW millionaires and billionaires have used their propaganda wing to convince people like Crakr (who is poor, disabled, and receiving government assistance) that taxing millionaires and billionaires a little more so that government can use the money to help poor people is fundamentally wrong and un-american. It is really rather impressive. It is like getting a chicken to buy stock in KFC.
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Male 4,843
I`m not picking sides here CrakrJak and Madest. You both are right and you both are wrong but isn`t the 25 day one that started this whole thing this repair from 2007? If so it wasn`t an earthquake that caused the damage it was a burning gasoline tanker truck like Madest stated. But you are both wrong about the year. And Madest was wrong about referencing the other bridge that took 64 days.
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Male 3,908
One more week until all this sh*t is over and then everyone can start arguing over who "stole" the election. No matter what the outcome, the losing party will immediately start accusing the winner of voter fraud. Woohoo, can`t wait for that!!!
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Male 17,512
madest: You`re the one that`s mixed up and very badly I might add. From your own damn link!

In 1989, after the Loma Prieta earthquake, C.C. Myers, Inc. crews working near the Cypress Freeway were some of the first people on the scene of the collapsed freeway. They assisted in shoring up the structure while rescue efforts were underway for people trapped in the collapsed section of freeway.

The company was awarded an emergency contract by the California Department of Transportation Caltrans in the aftermath of the earthquake to rebuild a section of Highway 1 where it crosses Struve Slough. This was the beginning of C.C. Myers, Inc.`s reputation as an emergency contractor.

Seriously, Seek some help, you`ve smoked too much dope and killed too many brain cells to be arguing anything here on IAB.
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Male 7,378
Alright CJ, Now you`re just being dumb. You got your disasters mixed up and I`m done Googling your brain. The 25 day repair was of an overpass that a truck exploded on. Google it yourself smart guy.
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Male 2,711
Oh, Crakr... why so dismissive? Often the difference between liberal and conservative blogs is that the liberals link to their sources, did you follow any of those? For example, the link to `The Hill" which says, "With the exception of his comments on Hurricane Sandy, Romney delivered a largely standard campaign stump speech to the assembled crowd." Or the link to the Red Cross which says, "Unfortunately, due to logistical constraints the Red Cross does not accept or solicit individual donations or collections of items. Items such as collected food, used clothing and shoes must be sorted, cleaned, repackaged and transported which impedes the valuable resources of money, time, and personnel."

The facts are there, you just have to be open-minded enough to see `em. I know, that lets you out.
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Male 17,512
chalket: The content of your links is liberal biased crap. It does matter as liberal blogs do not count as `facts`. That is unless you`re willing to accept conservative blog articles as `facts` as well. Which I don`t think you would.
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Male 2,711
Crakd: The source shouldn`t matter if the facts are reported correctly. Try reading the content before you bash the source. Isn`t that basically what you say when we point out your sometimes-slanted sources?
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Male 17,512
madest: "1989 Lome Prieta wasn`t a quake.."

Now I know you`ve flipped your lid.

1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake
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Male 330
He wasn`t talking about disaster relief anymore, he jumped over to the role of government. If you listen, at the beginning he praised disaster relief because the money is actually going back to the people. Confusing, yes. But not what the stupid caption will have you believe.
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Male 3,445
Look at this chart and tell me why we shouldn`t be dicussing this issue right now:


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Male 17,512
chalket: Link #1 liberal blog, Link #2 Liberal website, Link #3 is USA today and despite their attempt at spin even noted that This was a "storm relief event."
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Male 2,711
Crakr: "Btw, if you want to know how Romney really feels just know that he`s lending his campaign bus to disaster relief and loading it with supplies to help hurricane survivors."

You`re right, he shows his true colors by a) soliciting donations of canned food and supplies that Red Cross states it does NOT want, b) by making the donors wait nearly an hour til he arrived for the photo ops, and c) claiming to suspend his campaign but continuing it anyway. Link
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Male 7,378
1989 Lome Prieta wasn`t a quake it was truck that exploded. No FEMA funds were offered or provided. He got an extra $5mil for the swiftness of his work. It is impressive and you were correct on the amount of time but it had nothing to do with FEMA. I apologize for mistaking your mistake. I`ll in turn wait for your apology.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Because our resident neo-cons pretend they know stuff.[/quote]

Who doesn`t?
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Male 17,512
Oh and btw, Meyers had 140 days to rebuild after the 1994 Northridge quake and did it in under half the time 66 days.

So I`m right on both cases, That it took half the time expected.
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Male 10,855
[quote]You can`t move emergency relief to the state level because nobody has any idea where the next disaster is going to be[/quote]

This does not justify the existence of a Federal agency.

[quote]We need FEMA so that there is a trained disaster response team that can be sent wherever the disaster strikes. Each state is not going to be able to prepare and have the best people in position for the specific disaster that affects them[/quote]

False dichotomy, national guard units are, and historically, maintained at the state level. They`re also the first to respond to natural disasters of any magnitude, shape, and form.
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Male 7,378
[quote]Why do all these drating debates have to turn into playground pissing contests?[/quote] -------
Because our resident neo-cons pretend they know stuff.
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Male 17,512
madest: You`re mixing up your earthquakes there doofus. Your taking data from the 1994 Northridge earthquake, NOT the 1989 Lome Prieta quake.

Whooopsie!

I`ll be awaiting your apology sir.
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Male 17,512
Btw, if you want to know how Romney really feels just know that he`s lending his campaign bus to disaster relief and loading it with supplies to help hurricane survivors.
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Female 349
What is wrong with being a liberal?
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Male 7,378
It took 64 days. Caltrans is simply in charge of transportation in San Francisco.
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Male 147
dont we already have this, it is called insurance
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Male 17,512
madest: Meyers was paid by CalTrans. Feds to State to private companies, just like Romney said.

Don`t you see that?

It only took 25 days to reconstruct that interchange. NY Times said so itself and they aren`t liars, are they?
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Male 10,338
I admitted I was mistaken.

Why do all these drating debates have to turn into playground pissing contests?
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Male 7,378
You can`t even get the amount of days correct. How does anyone expect you to know something as complicated as politics?
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Male 7,378
You know the government hires private contractors don`t you CJ? They don`t own their own personal construction company. CC Meyers got paid with FEMA funds.. Sheesh. And it took him 64 days not 25. Damn republicans make me look crap up. Get your friggin facts straight! 64 is still impressive however.
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Male 4,843
FEMA failed for Katrina because it was merged into the new Homeland Security. That caused a whole bunch of red tape that delayed response significantly. We need FEMA so that there is a trained disaster response team that can be sent wherever the disaster strikes. Each state is not going to be able to prepare and have the best people in position for the specific disaster that affects them. That is ludicrous. You need the National Guard and you need FEMA. And you need it to be run by the government.
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AJ

What HolyGod said! (thanks HG). Please point us to just ONE fact you`ve posted in this thread. There is none, unless you count the NON-fact of "they can`t legally postpone it" that you pulled out of your ass. Yet 2 out of your 3 posts so far have been derisive. Hmmmm... you`re just a fu<king partisan hypocrite, aren`t you?
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Male 4,843
You can`t move emergency relief to the state level because nobody has any idea where the next disaster is going to be. If the Cascadia earthquake hits you will see a 9+ earthquake that will run from Washington State to Northern California. Seattle is built on fill. All of the old buildings will be destroyed. A state can`t budget for a disaster of that magnitude. I don`t think Romney was suggesting to privatize FEMA or even move it to the state level. I think he was so focused on his point that he couldn`t hear anything else.
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Male 17,512
Gerry: I recall that the rebuilding of the overpasses after the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake was handed over to private contractors and they rebuilt them in record time and under the initial estimates.

"...C.C. Myers. A week after the disaster, when CalTrans invited highway contractors with a track record of alacrity to bid on repairing the worst-affected part, the I-580 connector, Mr. Myers looked over the damage and the plans and said he could get it done in 25 days — half the time allowed under the CalTrans contract. And he did." - NY Times
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Male 363
This is NOT about Mormons, it is about Government control and their utter thievery of EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT funded and run program in the US. FEMA was a dismal failure during Katrina where Millions were stolen. Medicare, nearly bankrupt because of government irresponsible spending, same thing with social security. Why dont you people get it?? Why dont you want to take care of yourselves? make your own choices, Giving the government more control is like giving Sandusky your kids for him to babysit....
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AJ

"Why do you always immediately turn to derision and name calling instead of bringing facts to a debate?"

Faust`s comment was "OP is an idiot." So it isn`t as if chalket turned the conversation in that direction.

Facts to the debate? He gave a video and direct quote of what Romney said. What fact did he not bring?
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Male 10,855
Okay yes, ninth ward rescue efforts were conducted by the Coast Guard. We don`t need FEMA to provide housing while private charities were more than willing to do the same. With capital that was volunteered mind you.
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Male 10,338
@Chalk: Why do you always immediately turn to derision and name calling instead of bringing facts to a debate?

You act like a liberal lol.
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Male 2,711
gymcoach: A word of advice from ol` Abe Lincoln:
It`s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Just because something isn`t working right doesn`t mean the best solution is eliminating it. Just fix it.[/quote]

Yet something else was already working long before FEMA came along. So why create it in the first place?
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Male 10,855
quote">Yeah the Mormons are busy pumping out the subway stations right Cajun?[/quote">

Which is more important, making sure people are fed, comfortable, and sheltered; or is it pumping subway stations?
Mormon response to Katrina

So who`s the retarded one here?
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Male 7,378
Mormons weren`t first responders in Katrina. The entire 9th ward was shut down and held by the National Guard. More nonsense from the right without factual basis.
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Male 9,496
Cajun247

"The Mormon CHURCH was the first organization to arrive on the scene. The American Red Cross was there. The last group of people to arrive was FEMA, they royally fu<ked up their response."

You talking Katrina? It isn`t just about who was there first. The Mormon Church and Red Cross weren`t housing people in trailers for over a year. No doubt they F.ucked it royally, but that might have SOMETHING to do with the retard that was running it. Just because something isn`t working right doesn`t mean the best solution is eliminating it. Just fix it.
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gymcoach29, And you couldn`t tell us that without government funded research into building a secure network that would automatically reroute itself in event of a disaster, AKA: Internet. So you`re welcome douche. If you`re really a Gym Coach then you make your money from taxpayers and typically aren`t the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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Male 10,338
Okay. I was mistaken.

drat a syphilitic horse`s ass Madest.
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Male 2,711
Faust, suck my OP.
Not surprisingly, our resident neo-cons are suffering from their usual comprehension problems...
When asked specifically about FEMA, his response was "Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better." Spin away, but at least accept that THIS IS WHAT HE SAID! Sheesh, what a buncha ignorant asshats.
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Male 363
He is FREAKING RIGHT!!! All you Libs that think the government should be taking care of you, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!!! The Government has NO MONEY except what WE THE PEOPLE give it. Gowd you Libs just SUCK
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Male 7,378
Yeah the Mormons are busy pumping out the subway stations right Cajun? They`re always first on the scene... Are you retarded or is it an act?
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AuburnJunky

"Also, they can`t legally postpone it. Congress would have to postpone it."

Not true.

"States, by and large, are in charge of their own elections. Each state has its own laws dealing with what to do if an emergency jeopardizes voting and who can make the call. Federal law says that if a state fails to conduct an election for federal races on the day Congress chooses, the state legislature can pick a later date."
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Male 10,855
[quote">It may not be privatizing FEMA but it`s just as bad.[/quote">

Now WHAT could be so bad about eliminating such a redundant agency that practicably fu<ked up its own response to a huge natural disaster? The Mormon CHURCH was the first organization to arrive on the scene. The American Red Cross was there. The last group of people to arrive was FEMA, they royally fu<ked up their response.

Even organized crime syndicates are better disaster relief than government organizations!
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Male 3,908
On the Subject of FEMA & Hurricane Sandy, the funniest thing I`ve heard so far came from Michael Brown. He`s the former FEMA Director during the Dubya years that f*cked up the Katrina relief effort. He`s basically criticizing Obama for being proactive and having everything in place so we can get back to normal faster.
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Male 7,378
Really AJ? You pull that one out of your ass or did some other dumb-ass tell you that? What you claim to be truth isn`t in the constitution so butt cheeks slapping together make more sense. Either way the election won`t be postponed. If they aren`t ready those states are going Obama`s way with or without impacted areas. I don`t see this as an election problem but more an electioneering problem. If Mitt Romney can keep his foot out of his mouth in the meantime Obama will still win.
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Male 10,338
Also, they can`t legally postpone it. Congress would have to postpone it.
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Male 7,378
[quote]At least 4 states won`t be ready to hold the election. Will they postpone it?[/quote] -------
That`s a stretch. The election is a week away. They`ll be ready.
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Male 39,525

BIGGER QUESTION: At least 4 states won`t be ready to hold the election. Will they postpone it? Can they postpone it legally? Should they postpone it until New York , Jersy, Delaware and the others are back up and running and people have returned to their home areas.
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Male 7,378
Romney stated in a debate that he would shut down FEMA and lets states handle their own problems. It may not be privatizing FEMA but it`s just as bad.
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Male 5,094
Let`s stick to the facts, shall we? The debate is silly enough as it is.
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Male 39,525

Crakr - he said take it one step further and pass the money on to the private sector ... That would mean insurance companies. You know, those guys who insure your house .. unless it`s flood and then they don`t cover it. Or unless it`s an earthquake and then they don`t cover it.

Anyone who votes for Mittens is slitting their own throat. Unless there are billionaires here at IAB I am unaware of. The "B" club will make out nice if he`s elected.
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Male 3,089
kinda like a parrot- he speaks words, but hasn`t a clue as to meaning. Worse, this idiot is likely to be the next prez, as the voter fraud fix seems to be in.
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Male 10,338
Can you pass me some of those straws libs?

Oh you don`t have any? The grasping not going well?
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Male 3,285
Desperate crakr? You mean the same desperation that you and others post about obama?
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Male 604
OP is an idiot. If you want to criticize Romney`s views on this matter, please do - but stick to what he is actually saying.
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Male 10,338
YAY! Can we PLEASE politicize the storm some more?!
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Male 17,512
He didn`t say "Privatize it", He said the state should be handling the spending not the feds.

Wow, you liberals are really getting desperate if you keep posting tripe like this.
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Male 1,793
mitt the twit rides again...
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Male 2,711
Link: Romney: Privatize Disaster Relief (Really?) [Rate Link] - Mitt Romney calls Federal Disaster spending ``immoral`` and wants to privatize it! Tell that to all the `Sandy` victims.
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