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90 Responses to Rolling Stone Breaks Down Romney`s Tax Dodge

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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 8:52 am
    Link: Rolling Stone Breaks Down Romney`s Tax Dodge - The same republican party that tried to bring down a president for lying now embraces tax dodging.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 9:11 am
    Romnists probably try to play this as "his money, he can do what he wants" angle on this.
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 9:27 am
    I trust Rolling Stone on politics about as much as the Food Network on how to change a tire.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 9:36 am
    `I trust Rolling Stone on politics about as much as the Food Network on how to change a tire.`

    I trust Rolling Stone on politics more than I trust them on music.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 24, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Who hear does not try to avoid paying taxes?
    Who doesn`t wish they could take advantage of tax breaks and pay less?
    Romney is a jerk, but that`s because he`s just another "Give breaks to the rich & make the rest pay for it" Corporate-Republican. I`m not sure which type of Republican is worse, the Corporate ones or the Religious-Republicans. One takes your money, the other takes your rights.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 9:58 am
    Madest + Rolling Stone = LOL!!
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    paco664 Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 10:06 am
    so what?? the man made money... he didn`t steal it...

    his income comes from investments... investments that are taxed when he put his money in... and taxed at a lower rate when he gets paid dividends...

    i could give a s.hit if he has a billion dollars in the caymans.... he is a business man... he knows how to make money and create wealth....

    he should be teaching college... that way instead of getting liberal arts degrees and not bathing our students can learn to make a living and not live off their parents...
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    mikelae18 Male 18-29
    79 posts
    October 24, 2012 at 10:23 am
    Everyone tries to pay the least they can in taxes. The only difference is when you are rich you can create hollow investment entities to help you avoid even more taxes.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 10:30 am
    "exploiting tax loopholes"

    Hmmm...not illegal.

    "He aggressively exploits every loophole he can find"

    That`s what he pays his tax preparers for. That`s what I pay MY tax preparer for.

    So, basically the article is shouting `IT LOOKS ILLEGAL!!!! then whispering `he didn`t actually do anything illegal`.

    The fact that he PAYS taxes means he`s ahead of the majority of the Obama administration.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 10:33 am
    Swiss Secrecy-By doing this, the US govt violated two bilateral agreements with Switzerland.

    Bermuda Shell Game-Tom Managhan sold Domino`s as part of his retirement. Apparently what liberals call "evasion" is really ownership.

    Cayman Cash/Luxembourg-Mitt Romney owns within those countries, outside the jurisdiction of the US.

    Big Loophole-Unintended consequence, nothing illegal.

    Fee fakery-How in the world did he rob the treasury? Unless you presume that wealth belongs to government first.

    Tax-Free Trust-Oh look Mitt Romney actually pays taxes. YAY!!!

    Just another example of how Uncle Sam is trying grab EVERYONE by the ankles and shake them down for all their worth. Mitt Romney doesn`t make a good executive, but he`s a fine businessman. All of these maneuvers have yet to be proven illegal.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 10:39 am
    `he should be teaching college... that way instead of getting liberal arts degrees and not bathing our students can learn to make a living and not live off their parents...`

    That would be ironic, wouldn`t it, considering Mitt was born into money?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 10:42 am
    I figured this bullcrap from madest.

    Hey, madest give it up man. Romney has already said he would close such `loopholes` for people like himself and Obama if he becomes president.
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    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
    142 posts
    October 24, 2012 at 10:55 am
    Hey madest, please explain Timothy Geithner..
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:11 am
    That would be ironic, wouldn`t it, considering Mitt was born into money?

    It`s not as if Romney can just keep his money by just sitting on it.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:12 am
    I didn`t vote for Timothy Geithner. How can you compare the two? You`re eyes are open and you`re voting for a tax dodger. What`s next a turd? The republican party nominee in 2016 will be a giant turd because they know their mindless zombie base will walk lockstep behind it.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:18 am
    madest-"you`re voting for a tax dodger."

    Sorry, that `news` article never even came close to establishing such.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:27 am
    Hiding money from Uncle Sam is the textbook definition of tax dodging. His Swiss bank account was exposed by a whistle-blower. He accepted amnesty and if I learned anything from a republican about illegal aliens is that only a guilty party can accept amnesty. You go ahead and justify that nonsense MeGrendel. You already lack credibility.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:30 am
    Hiding money from Uncle Sam is the textbook definition of tax dodging.

    Aww yes, typical liberal mindset. Screw financial privacy, you owe the govt big time.

    You go ahead and justify that nonsense MeGrendel. You already lack credibility.

    Look who`s talking.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:38 am
    I`m sorry, but that article basically boils down to "Romney `hides` his money in a mayo jar under his front porch. That just HAS to be illegal...am I right? Am I right?"


    madest-"You already lack credibility."

    And yet, it`s significantly more credibility than you enjoy.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:39 am
    I`ll let you guys eviscerate madest on this idiocy, I`m going to grab some popcorn and watch.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:41 am
    Look at all that LEGAL stuff Romney did!

    He should be ASHAMED!
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 24, 2012 at 11:42 am
    Well you`re no longer allowed to complain about welfare queens and their cost. If someone works the tax code to F Uncle Sam while sitting at home waiting for his yearly $77,000 tax payer subsidized horse ballet check, then someone on the other end working the system should been seen as equally genius to republicans.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:45 am
    If someone works the tax code to F Uncle Sam

    Uncle Sam made himself WIDE open.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 11:58 am
    I see that madest is lashing out at a horse that Ann Romney half-owned that was ridden in the Olympics Horse Dressage event. Pretty lame madest, pretty lame.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    I`m with the conservatives on this.

    If you game the system and do it legal then the problem is with the system, not with you.

    Much the same way Crakr games the system to be on disability for half a decade, living off the government while he sits on his computer all day and complains about OTHER people living off the government. I find it morally objectionable, and I would never personally do it, but it is legal, so that is his right.



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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    madest-"If someone works the tax code to F Uncle Sam"

    `Works the tax code` is Madest speak for `He didn`t break the law but you should STILL be pissed.`.

    You know what you call someone that pays more in taxes than he/she is legally obligated to? A Moron!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    HolyGod, Knowingly hiding money from Uncle Sam is a crime. He had money in a UBS account that he fessed up to when the feds were breathing down his neck. The only reason Mitt and his billionaire buddies got amnesty is because they are billionaires. They hire lobbyists, grease a few palms and wallah free and clear and top of the republican ticket. Anyone who spins this as acceptable behavior can no longer claim the high road or point the finger at other unpatriotic cheats. Amnesty = Guilty.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    I`m with the conservatives on this.

    If you game the system and do it legal then the problem is with the system, not with you.

    Much the same way Crakr games the system to be on disability for half a decade, living off the government while he sits on his computer all day and complains about OTHER people living off the government. I find it morally objectionable, and I would never personally do it, but it is legal, so that is his right.



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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    TMZ reporting that Mitt comitted perjury. I`m not surprised.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    Directly from Politifact:

    [quote">Swiss bank accounts may make good fodder for campaign commercials and Jason Bourne movies, but there`s nothing to indicate Romney did anything illegal or improper with the account.[/quote">
    @madest has been reading Slate a bit too much again...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    He had money in a UBS account that he fessed up to when the feds were breathing down his neck.

    The Feds were completely out of line when they did this. Not only did they violate Swiss sovereignty, they violated two bilateral agreements they made with the Swiss. Talking giving the rule of law a total ass-fu<king.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    madest-"He had money in a UBS account that he fessed up to when the feds were breathing down his neck."

    That`s been accused, but no facts have backed it up. The only facts are that `some` wealthy individuals did so.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 24, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    HG: Much the same way Crakr games the system to be on disability..

    I haven`t `gamed the system`, you douchebag.
    I`ve paid into it, until becoming disabled.
    I`d still be paying into it, if I wasn`t.

    I`ve never begrudged anyone on SS or Disability, so quit lying.

    Perhaps it`s better you STFU, because you`ve crossed the line between trolling and personal attack.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    madest: By all accounts Maureen Stemberg is just crying about this because she sold half the Staples stock her husband gave her in the divorce before the company became successful and the stock price rose. She lives in a high rise apartment in Manhattan with concierge service and this poor little rich divorcee wants even more.

    She was robbed of nothing, she sold it of her own accord, the gold plated crocodile tears are evident here.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    People, people...you`re arguing with a man who thinks 6 scientists ought to be held directly responsible for an earthquake.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    CJ and Mitt Romney suck the government nipple dry and piss and moan about the cost of government.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    CrakrJak

    "I haven`t `gamed the system`, you douchebag."

    You choose to sit on disability, live off the government, and not work when you absolutely could find a job if you wanted to. Sorry. That`s gaming the system to me.

    You might be injured and unable to do what you once did, I`m not disagreeing with that. However you could do something else. In the last 5 years you could have learned a skill or found a job conducive to your disability. But you have chosen to stay on disability and collect welfare.

    My cousin got in a motorcycle accident and is paralyzed from the waist down. He could sit on disability for the rest of his life. However he took online classes in IT and now he does tech support from home.

    Get a job if you want one. Otherwise admit you`d rather collect welfare to not work.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    CJ and Mitt Romney suck the government nipple dry and piss and moan about the cost of government.

    Ad Hominem Tu Quoque, that does not mean the current cost government of is justifiable.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    HG: You choose to sit on disability, live off the government, and not work when you absolutely could find a job if you wanted to. Sorry. That`s gaming the system to me.

    Slander, total slander sir. I don`t care about what your cousin did, good for him, but that has no bearing on my medical condition.

    Suffice to say, that if it were possible to work I would. But since I can`t sit in a chair for more than a couple of hours, can`t stand for more than 5 minutes at a time and can`t walk more than 20ft without resting, that pretty much precludes me from doing any substantial work.

    You haven`t walked in my shoes, have no idea the problems I`ve had to deal with.

    You should be ashamed for your attack on me, but you have no morals thus no shame for anything you say or do.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    Get a job if you want one. Otherwise admit you`d rather collect welfare to not work.

    On one hand, I wonder what happened to this "I`m glad disability is there for you" attitude not too long ago?

    On the other hand, I do concur with the premise. Government simply has no way of knowing what can render an individual "unproductive". Kinkos was founded by a dyslexic with ADD. Stephen Hawking, quadropledgic with a brilliant mind. Truth is there are so many eligible "conditions" that simply don`t make people utterly unproductive.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    Crakr

    "Suffice to say, that if it were possible to work I would... You haven`t walked in my shoes, have no idea the problems I`ve had to deal with."

    I`m not trying to be mean. I absolutely have sympathy for your disability. I also have no idea what you have been through or what your life is like.

    I do know, however, that you are not to disabled to be on this site all day every day making thousands of comments. If you aren`t too disabled to f.uck around on the internet then you aren`t too disabled to work on the internet.

    There are PLENTY of jobs that take no more physical ability than using IAB all day does. You are telling me you are too disabled to be a web programmer or medical transcriptionist or any other job that would allow you to be at home on your computer all day which you ALREADY DO?

    Be honest with yourself and take personal responsibility, being on disability is just easier, so you do that.

    F.ucking Steven Haw
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    F.ucking Steven Hawking has a job and all he can do is blow.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    Godamnit IAB. If you are going to give us 1000 characters can you at least give us the 1000 character and not arbitrarily cut off comments that are under 1000?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:34 pm
    You really need to wonder about how Mitt Romney can be a tax dodger and stand there with a straight face in front of donors and complain about the 47% nipple suckers.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    I can`t sit in a chair for more than a couple of hours, can`t stand for more than 5 minutes at a time and can`t walk more than 20ft without resting

    If you don`t mind, what terrible affliction could cause such daily discomfort? If you do, then, well I didn`t ask. This discussion is about Mitt Romney`s *alleged* misbehavoir not about Crakr`s medical condition.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    You really need to wonder about how Mitt Romney can be a tax dodger and stand there with a straight face in front of donors and complain about the 47% nipple suckers.

    Because he`s part of a class of people who pays more than his fair share of taxes when you factor in their share of the national income.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm
    He pays less than half of what I pay. It`s not the amount it`s the percentage. Really republicans would be wise to learn math.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    It`s not the amount it`s the percentage

    Exactly
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    madest-"Mitt Romney suck the government nipple dry"

    So, are you saying that:
    a) All of Romney`s wealth was made from Government contracts, or
    b) All wealth belongs to the government, and they`ll `give` you what you deserve.

    Both are false.

    madest-"how Mitt Romney can be a tax dodger"

    Unfounded accusations. You get your `proof` from Harry Reid? Pretty much all you got.
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    banjolegs Male 30-39
    176 posts
    October 24, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    regardless of whether this tax avoidance/evasion is legal or not, it isn`t a good look for a presidential candidate. "everyone tries to not pay tax." yeah but not everyone is running for President. Having less complicated tax arrangements would win over the trust of Joe Public not just the shrewd clientele here at IAB.
    This is a problem for Governments evrywhere. People want to know that those in charge are trustworthy, not looking for a sneaky way to cheat the system.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    not looking for a sneaky way to cheat the system

    People wouldn`t be "cheating the system" if the "system" wasn`t so jaw-droppingly complicated.

    "everyone tries to not pay tax." yeah but not everyone is running for President. Having less complicated tax arrangements would win over the trust of Joe Public not just the shrewd clientele here at IAB.

    Within these 2 sentences you`ve set the bar impossibly high for anyone running for public office seeking the trust of John Q Public.
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    CRAIGJ Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    Madest.. What about all the tax revenue from the REAL jobs he has created not to mention the taxes paid from the equipment,supplies, and operations from the companies he has helped create. But thats right... you pay MORE than he does!! You are a Fing idiot. By the way, your messiah is flying into Hollywood right now to collect money from all the liberals how sheild their investments just like Romney does. Can you say hypocrite?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2012 at 6:00 pm
    Cajun: I`m going to ignore HG`s stupidity, but I will answer your question. I have back and knee injuries that can cause severe pain. Was in the hospital in August then had to deal with an infection on top of that.

    Those are just a few of my medical problems, but I won`t compound my problems by taking pain medication that has a likelihood of addiction.

    HG has no sympathy at all, he makes attacks all the time, then backs away from them, then repeats his attack again. If he had a conscience he`d apologize, but he`s a douchebag so I won`t hold my breath on that.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    I have back and knee injuries that can cause severe pain. Was in the hospital in August then had to deal with an infection on top of that.

    Well, thanks for sharing that with me. Sounds like it would actually make driving pretty difficult. Since you`ve mentioned it I can`t really complain about welfare given your circumstances, but I now I feel like I should give a little more money to United Way. Still such welfare programs should operate at STATE level, not Federal.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 6:35 pm
    CrakrJak

    None of the injuries you describe would preclude you from doing one of the thousands of jobs one can do from home with nothing more than a computer, internet, and a phone. If you can participate on IAB all day, you can work on a computer all day.

    If you choose not to that is your choice, please don`t act like you can`t.
  56. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    None of the injuries you describe would preclude you from doing one of the thousands of jobs one can do from home with nothing more than a computer, internet, and a phone.

    I`m actually going to defend CrakrJak, oh boy...

    Only if he owns a business or has connections to someone who does.

    Video game development possible, certainly some cheap courses in Java, C++, Lua etcetera or Photoshop/Milkshape. Even some IDEs one could figure out. But those require teams, even many online games that IAB used to post in their "games" section. Even those require in person interactions, not something over an camera. Which means a time and a place has to be scheduled.

    Crowd sourcing is like bounties, don`t pay a lot and sometimes require luck.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    Gambling, well possibly. Even if one *was* a gambling man people tend to avoid career gamblers.

    Then there are a LOT of online "offers" you have to be suspicious of.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    Cajun247

    "Only if he owns a business or has connections to someone who does."

    I wouldn`t say that is true. There are technical support and customer support companies that allow telecommuters. He could learn how to develop websites and work completely online finding clients or contracting for an agency. He could do medical transcriptioning. He could work for an after hours answering service. Hell google "work from home".
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    Don`t get me wrong, I`d prefer peoople on disability actually try to find and hold a job. Same goes with CrakrJak, if he does I`d be happy for him. On the bright side people who honestly can`t hold a job are rare these days, and I can`t even overstate that fact.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    CrakrJak

    This is not mean. This is not condescending.

    Check this out: jobs.alpineaccess.com

    They are hiring right now. They cater to people with disabilities. They have a whole section on it with testimonials from employees with crippling disability.

    This took me 5 minutes to find. Explain to me why you couldn`t work for them. Aimee has worked there for 6 years and she has rheumatoid arthritis and lupus.
  61. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2012 at 7:14 pm
    Check this out: jobs.alpineaccess.com

    Hmm, certainly does look like a professional website. Maybe I should take a look too, earn some more money alongside my job at FedEx. That would be great. Less people on welfare the better.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 7:30 pm
    Cajun247

    "Hmm, certainly does look like a professional website."

    Here they are being featured on Good Morning America:
    http://tinyurl.com/9ldbe5c
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 8:41 pm
    @HolyGod, and why should Crakr not draw what he payed? That is what it is there for.

    You think he should go to work, but you have no justification as to why he shouldn`t draw out the benefits he payed in. It isn`t like he is unjustly drawing out benefits.

    You know nothing about his pain, suffering, emotional status, etc. Yet you are so quick to pass out judgement on this man.

    Like him or not, you are being a flat out douche.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 24, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    There is nothing sinister in so arranging one`s affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does so, rich or poor; and all do right. Nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands; taxes are forced exactions, not voluntary contributions.
    - Judge Learned Hand
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    elkingo

    "You think he should go to work, but you have no justification as to why he shouldn`t draw out the benefits he payed in"

    Are you serious? He has been on disability for at least 5 years. He has taken out WAY more than he has paid in. I don`t dislike him. I dislike some of his opinions. I dislike his hypocrisy. I dislike him b.itching about personal responsibility and people that take advantage of the government while he sits on welfare for half a decade.

    I found a job he could do in 5 minutes. If he chooses not to find one it is because he CHOOSES not to find one. That`s fine, but admit it.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    "He has been on disability for at least 5 years."

    Your point is moot; because it is disability INSURANCE.

    Once again, you know absolutely nothing about his pain and suffering. How much can one concentrate with chronic pain?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 9:08 pm
    Posting asinine comments on a site is nothing like writing code all day either. It takes mental stamina, and research has shown that highly correlates with physical stamina.

    Mental stamina is going to be low in a person suffering from chronic pain.

    Not to mention emotional and psychosocial problems associated with not being a productive citizen when he obviously was once productive.

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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    You also assume he is being hypocritical when you have no idea what his situation is like. You simply pass judgement to say, Hell.. you could find something if you wanted. You obviously don`t want to.

    You have no earthly idea what he is capable of and not capable of.

    I tend to think disability should be investigated for fraud. I think craker thinks the same way. However, you know nothing about his position, and only assume that he has at least some ability to work; when in truth you have no idea.

    I do think, that if someone is able bodied and able minded, they should work. However, when they pay in insurance for disability, and they loose the ability to work, they should receive those benefits. That is why we created long-term disability in the first place... not so people can go find another job. That is short term disability.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
    796 posts
    October 24, 2012 at 9:50 pm
    I see a left wing attempt to attack the right wing on dodging taxes while their very own Timothy "Tax Cheat" Geitner is still runnng the IRS.

    For some reason, I am not compelled to look further.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6749 posts
    October 24, 2012 at 10:12 pm
    elkingo

    I just watched a girl with no arms make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Are you telling me Crakr can`t answer a phone and do customer service?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 24, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    HG: I`ve done customer service before. Let me enlighten you on it`s pitfalls.

    1. You get bitched at everyday, most all of the day, by angry customers.

    2. No matter how much you`re bitched at you must maintain a calm and cool demeanor.

    3. Call center jobs are usually commission based, 1099 jobs, that require you set up a separate room in your house to be used solely as an office.

    4. Customer service is notoriously `high turnover`.

    5. Often these sort of jobs require that you pay for your own training.

    6. These `customer service` jobs become `telemarketing jobs` when there no customer is calling in to complain.

    How do I know this? I`ve done it before, when I was healthy, it was hell. I don`t need that kind of stress in my life, have enough to deal with as it is.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6749 posts
    October 24, 2012 at 10:48 pm
    CrakrJak

    OK. So you are saying you could physically do that, but it sucks, so you would rather be on disability correct?

    I``m fine with that. But you can`t say "if it were possible to work I would". That`s all I`m saying.

    Despite what you think I don`t hate you. I don`t even dislike you. I don`t in any way wish ill of you.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 12:54 am
    HG: You`re wrong. Stress causes health problems and I`ve had more than my fair share of both.

    But you can`t say "if it were possible to work I would".

    Yes it is, my doctors have told me I can`t work and don`t believe it would be good for me too work.

    I don`t hate you. I don`t even dislike you.

    Ya right, hell of a way to show it there man.
    You`re despicable and am sure that I`m not the only person to tell you that.
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    ccalhoun86 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 3:52 am
    I believe the issue here is that for decades the wealthy have been wise to, in their later years, run for the offices that give then the power to write up the laws that allow them to use these loopholes to keep their money in their pockets and in their families. What we`re seeing is future generations of the rich getting better and better at keeping their abundance of wealth from being taxed by Uncle Sam. Is it illegal, of course not. Are any of these deductions of evasions reasonable or feasible for a man who works 50-60 hours a week and earns a honest paycheck, no.. not at all. By the rich, for the rich, and a whole lot of media propaganda and get rich books to make you defend them, as they destroy every opportunity for you to get ahead.
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    ccalhoun86 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 4:00 am
    Also, though I hate to admit, HolyGod... if some terrible physical ailment were to disable you from being able to function at no more than 50% of your capability a couple years ago, and the government offered you a monthly income sufficient to cover all living expenses, would you take that money or lose that income in replacement of an unfulfilling job? The confusing thing is that, with CracrJack on disability, he has to believe that at least a good percentage on it actually need it, and the political party he fervently advocates is very much against it. Some say feed the starving and the thieves, others would say let them all die. Doesn`t seem right to support the group that wants them all to die, when you`re eating from their hand.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 5:16 am
    Madest.. What about all the tax revenue from the REAL jobs he has created not to mention the taxes paid from the equipment,supplies, and operations from the companies he has helped create. -------------
    Mitt Romney buys troubled companies. Strips them, sells the factories and sends the jobs to China leaving entire towns devastated and unemployed. They then become the burden of people like me, taxpayers. All this doesn`t matter anyway. Mittens will never be president. I`ll be swimming in billionaires tears on November 7th.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 6:33 am
    Mitt Romney buys troubled companies. Strips them, sells the factories and sends the jobs to China leaving entire towns devastated and unemployed. They then become the burden of people like me, taxpayers. All this doesn`t matter anyway. Mittens will never be president. I`ll be swimming in billionaires tears on November 7th.

    Absolute hyperbole and demonstratably false. But alas you don`t care your envy for the rich knows no bounds. You`ll find anyone and complain about how they`re not hiring enough people and paying them enough. Time to buck up man.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 7:21 am
    Oh yeah? Willful ignorance is not a virtue. Armco Steel, AMPAD, Sensata, Sealy Posturpedic, KB Toys etc, etc, etc...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 7:37 am
    ccalhoun86: Doesn`t seem right to support the group that wants them all to die

    Apparently you`ve bought into the liberal lie that republicans want all old people and disabled people to just die. They repeatedly scare people with that lie to the point that people like you believe it.

    By the way, can you tell me which president signed Medicare part D, the drug prescription program into law? A: GW Bush.

    Oh, but those evil scary republicans, boo, hiss.

    Please grow up and quit believing all the scaremongering being shoved down your throat.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 7:52 am
    Armco Steel-Purchased by Bain in 1993, closed after being outmatched by competitors in 2001.

    AMPAD-Still currently in operation.

    Sealy Posturpedic-Still Operating
    KB Toys-Outmatched by competitors and closed in 2009. Liquidated by Gordon Brothers Group.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 8:11 am
    Mittens perjury story about to hit the mainstream media. Look out CJ you`re considering voting for a tax dodger and a perjurer!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 9:30 am
    Look out CJ you`re considering voting for a tax dodger and a perjurer!

    Niether are proven, the latter until the records are unsealed.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 11:25 am
    The judge unsealed the records. You just spout nonsense repeatedly don`t you? Never do any investigation. Just don`t sound right to your pea sized brain you dismiss it as nonsense. Yeah you`ll go far in life with that.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 11:40 am
    madest: actually, "Things didn`t fare so well for Gloria Allred -- her request to ungag her client was shut down by the hot judge ... because Gloria never submitted an official motion to the court. Gloria was grasping at straws in a last ditch effort to get the judge to cut her a break -- but she was shot down, hard."
    TMZ
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    No CJ, Her client can`t talk. She has the relevant documents.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    This guy is a scumbag and should NOT be president.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    [quote"> She has the relevant documents.[/quote">

    Romney`s lawyer: "[My client has"> no concerns about the testimony."

    This is the part where Romney says "go right ahead" right back at Obama.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1926 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    It`s times like this I`m glad madest is here. I haven`t had a good laugh all day.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    madest: Without her client being ungagged, she has nothing but paper. She wanted her client to be able to accuse Romney of lying, without that she`s got nothing.
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    Fancysucksss Male 18-29
    1048 posts
    October 26, 2012 at 4:30 am
    I don`t get how a scumbag like this even becomes a candidate for becoming the president. Oh wait that`s right, people are malleable and ignorant as hell for the most part in america. I can`t wait to leave this shipwreck

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