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  1. Profile photo of LittleMissQT
    LittleMissQT Female 18-29
    1273 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    Link: Republicans Bashing Obama The Wrong Way - If anything, this should drive *more* people to vote for Obama.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5449 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    I used to not support gay marriage. I am conservative as they come.

    Then I studied and read about the logical argument. I still think marriage is a religious term, and would argue that. However, my view has been more informed.

    I now think that either 1 of 2 things should happen.

    1. No one gets tax privileges based on marriage, nor should anyone have visitation and health care rights altered due to marriage status.

    2. Everyone who enters into a union should receive the same tax benefits and social liberties.

    However, there is also the issue of homosexuals feeling like second class citizens. No one deserves that.

    Thus, my final view changed over the years. Everyone deserves the right to happiness and marriage. Everyone deserves liberties.

    Thus, over time, and through study, I support gay marriage.

    I still consider myself a conservative also.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 5:26 pm
    It`s funny that those on the left not only hate people with different views, they actually don`t understand them and don`t believe those views might be widespread, indeed more widespread than their own views in at least one of these issues.

    They are blinded by the cultural conformity they see, by not interacting with people different from themselves, and by bullying those that disagree with them into silence. So they never hear views different from their own expressed widely.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 5:29 pm
    elkingo

    Civil union works extremely well in the UK. There is no stigma, it is often called marriage, but it does not impinge on the religious idea of marriage. I am a libertarian atheist, and would actually prefer a civil union to a marriage as I am not religious and think the idea of marriage (even a civil one) is religious.
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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
    303 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    @elkingo
    You are my hero. You have restored my faith in humanity.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    If anything, this should drive *more* people to vote for Obama.

    Couldn`t have said it better myself actually

    @elkingo

    Totally agree with you.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    Most Americans do not support these things, so no. It wouldn`t drive folks to Obama.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2012 at 6:05 pm
    Most Americans do not support these things, so no.

    Most actually do support Gay Marriage.
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    sicker Female 30-39
    325 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    Two things in my life that have nothing at all to do with your dumb ass.
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
    554 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    i pass that sign every day ...in the south side of Columbus.... wow

    .. and still not voting
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    Zed68 Male 40-49
    1015 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 7:22 pm
    Gay abortion ??
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    ultimakewl Male 18-29
    833 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    more `attack` ads need to be like this
    simple, to the point, and pure fact
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    Like it or not, that fact is, this is the majority opinion in the US today.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 9:54 pm
    Okay Cajun. I am gonna fall for the trap....

    31 times Gay Marriage has been on the ballot in a state, and 31 times it has failed. Whyyyyyyy?

    Because the majority of people in each of those states do not approve of it. Easy peasey, Japanesey.

    Now. I await your rebuttal of how the remaining 19 all unanimously support it, so I am technically wrong.

    Before you go down that road, keep in mind, it has never been up for vote in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, or many other red states.

    All that being said, I support a gay persons right to join legally with their chosen spouse.
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    VirtualParty Male 18-29
    787 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 10:42 pm
    Auburn, Isn`t it voted on by representatives and not actual citizens? So three dots in a triangular pattern, no one really has any say any more in America republican or otherwise.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 2, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    States rights matters should always be voted on by the citizenry.

    That being said, an activist judge will almost always over-rule the citizens, so you`re right. It doesn`t matter anymore.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 12:51 am
    elkingo
    nail - head
    everyone should have the same quality of life
    it is the 21st century
    Well done sir very well put
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    Selous Male 30-39
    1197 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 1:15 am
    to choose you government on this issue? im pretty sure america has many more pressing issues than gay marrage ...
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3890 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 1:38 am
    "31 times Gay Marriage has been on the ballot in a state, and 31 times it has failed. Whyyyyyyy?"

    Because civil rights should never be voted on. But even so, just wait. Washington state will pass it with a vote this November.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 1:47 am
    AUburnJunky

    "31 times Gay Marriage has been on the ballot in a state, and 31 times it has failed. Whyyyyyyy?

    Because the majority of people in each of those states do not approve of it. Easy peasey, Japanesey."

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I`m going to tell you right now and I bet you even agree.

    A ballot proposition does NOT mean what "the majority of people in each of those states" think. It means what the majority of people in that state that are VOTING think. Who turns out in greatest percentages to vote, especially during non-residential voting years? Older people. Which group is least accepting of gay marriage? Older people.

    If 95% of people in a state support gay marriage but the ones that vote on the issue is the other 5% it really doesn`t matter what most people think.

    Most people support gay marriage no matter what happens on ballots.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 1:52 am
    markust123

    "Because civil rights should never be voted on."

    I wouldn`t call marriage a "right". Maybe focus more on civil "equality". But I absolutely agree with you.

    I`m pretty sure if they had de-segregation or mixed race marriage on the ballot in mississippi in the 60s they would have failed. Being in the majority DOES not make you right.

    That is why we are a constitutional republic with representative democracy and NOT a pure democracy. Specifically because the founding fathers knew how wrong the majority could be.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 1:54 am
    AuburnJunky

    "States rights matters should always be voted on by the citizenry."

    So in the 60s if states would have gotten to vote on de-segregation in the south you think they should have been able to?
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    tsiemens Male 30-39
    515 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 3:04 am
    That might be an effective sign to win votes in the bible belt.... just sayin`
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 3:15 am
    @littlemissqt This is what I don`t get about Liberals the inate belief that their views are correct and everyone must agree with them. Don`t get me wrong I agree with abortion and have my views on gay marriage (make marriage a purely separate religious institution and the state only does civil partnerships for hetero and homo couples)That won`t be in Cali it will be in a state where majority are anti abortion and gay marriage...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 3:56 am
    "So in the 60s if states would have gotten to vote on de-segregation in the south you think they should have been able to?"

    (Puts on devil`s advocate glasses, because you obviously want this debate lol)

    Not the same. Marriage is not a right, and Gay is not a race.
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    irunfast86 Male 18-29
    404 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 5:06 am
    littlemissqt

    Do you seriously think most people support gay marriage and abortion? Pull your head out of the sand. The internets would have you believe we are all democrats because apparently that`s "cool". I`m all for gay marriage. and abortion should be allowed in rape and health cases IMO. However my in-laws would argue with me until they are blue in the face because they are "all in republicans". We`re all allowed to have our own opinions.
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    Vexys Male 18-29
    74 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 6:06 am
    "Not the same. Marriage is not a right, and Gay is not a race."

    So by by that implication you mean gay is a choice? or am I missing something, not saying you were implicating, I just think you need to better explain that one
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 6:13 am
    I never said it was a choice, but it isn`t a race either.

    (Devil`s advocate glasses still on. Don`t freak out people! lol)
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
    5097 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 6:29 am
    Preaching for the choir.
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    sparki1980 Male 30-39
    329 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 7:00 am
    Effect of this ad varies depending on demographic of the community it is installed in. More often than not it should fail... as it is definitely a hate oriented ad.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 7:06 am
    I remember the day that gay marriage became legal here. So much changed...wait, nothing changed except gay people can get married. Moving on.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
    579 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 9:05 am
    Nothing changed? Tax revenues did. But, you know, whatever... why is it only "fair" when your views trump mine?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Dropped the ball there shoud`ve been this....

    These people want you to vote Obama or die...

    When would you ever listen to these people!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 9:22 am
    why is it only "fair" when your views trump mine?
    I`m sure people like you said that when women wanted the vote. Traditionally only men could vote, so why change the definition of "voter" to something people like you don`t agree with?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 11:21 am
    AuburnJunkey

    "Not the same. Marriage is not a right, and Gay is not a race. "

    Whoa. That isn`t what you said. You said: "States rights matters should always be voted on by the citizenry." You had no equivocation.

    OK. Gay isn`t a race. But it isn`t a choice either (in my opinion). However we don`t discriminate in America based on religion and that certainly is a choice.

    So would you be OK with Alabama putting an initiative on the ballot that made it so Muslims couldn`t own businesses?

    That may be hyperbolic but the point is not everything should be voted on. The majority should never be allowed to vote to discriminate.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    Agreed Holy. Well put.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
    4855 posts
    October 3, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    @HolyGod,
    The last 2 lines of your excellent comment are especially important. There`s a potential for what has been called the tyranny of democracy in which, by popular vote, anything could potentially be made illegal including any religion, fish on Friday, non-kosher food, movies, skirts...anything the majority of voters happen to frown upon at the moment. You said it so well it deserves repeating...
    "Not everything should be voted on. The majority should never be allowed to vote to discriminate."

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