Remember That Obama`s A Muslim Church Sign?

Submitted by: fancylad 4 years ago

I-A-B posted a church sign from The Church In The Valley in Texas this weekend. Guess who might lose tax-exempt status.
There are 43 comments:
Male 2,143
Vote to end Church`s, Vote Sanity!
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Male 17,512
patchgrabber: I have no problem with anyone engaging in politics, so long as they aren`t advocating the overthrow of our democracy.
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Female 2,525
Pay taxes or shut up.
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Male 5,811
@CJ: So it`s ok for a church to engage in politics then? Or are you merely stating that in point of fact?
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Male 17,512
The tax-exempt status of a church has been revoked by the IRS only once for engaging in overtly political activity, and that revocation was merely temporary.

It`s clear that the IRS doesn`t want to be the `speech police`, as the only time it`s taken away the tax exempt status of a church it was very unpopular.

I could find one case where this action was taken against a church, way back in 1995. This rule has never been brought before the Supreme Court.

Groups have even tried to provoke the IRS into this action again, every year since 2008, and the IRS hasn`t responded.
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Male 273
Cajun247 > Why not use a chart that actually makes sense ? Like the tax rate ? Oh right because the US wouldn`t even be in a Top 20.
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Male 15,832
Why lie? Black Liberation Theology is MUCH worse than Islam.
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Male 2,384
how christian of them
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Male 833
non-denominational church...
isnt that just code for `i want to spew my hate without having to follow your rules` house?
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Male 14,773
Tax here is max 15%. If you earned a billion dollars, you wouldn`t pay more than 15%.
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Male 10,845
If you look at pre-tax income and tax revenue you`ll notice that the rich pay more than their fair share in taxes:
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Male 10,845
[quote]Thar`s before all the loopholes, deductions, etc that they enjoy. In fact, corporate tax rates are the lowest they`ve ever been[/quote]

All of which got pushed in there as a response to increasing tax rates.
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Male 689
how about this... raise capital gains taxes on people making more than $500,000 a year. we already know that these people make a majority of their money by claiming their income is ALL capital gains,thus giving them lower tax liability. yet what is the first thing Romney wants? 0% capital gains tax. he is not fighting for our freedom, he is fighting for no taxes for him and his friends. so i say raise it over 50%, that way they DO pay their regular percent. putting a low cap on it still lets people save and grow but it would stop those taking advantage of it.
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Male 3,364
And once again, this pastor(and anyone who supports his statement) knows nothing about Muslims, or Communism.
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Male 3,364
AJ: "We already have the highest corporate tax in the world. Do you really want to kill all the jobs?"

Thar`s before all the loopholes, deductions, etc that they enjoy. In fact, corporate tax rates are the lowest they`ve ever been. 10 years ago corporations paid 32% of the entire federal revenue. Today they only pay 8% of it.
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Male 10,339
"Raise taxes on...corporations"

We already have the highest corporate tax in the world. Do you really want to kill all the jobs?
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Male 7,908
Then we actually get to be "free". We aren`t needlessly imprisoning our citizens. We aren`t needlessly killing people in other countries. We aren`t racking up debt.
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Male 7,908
$13 Billion seems really really low to me. This doesn`t seem to take into account the revenue of the growers and sellers that could be taxed.

Let`s say it is closer to $25 Billion. Let`s say legalizing other drugs gets you to $100 Billion. Prostitution and gambling legalization could theoretically do close to the same between saving on penalization and enforcement and earning tax revenue.

That is $300 Billion a year.

Then we could stop being imperialists, get our troops out of other countries, and strengthen our DEFENSE while cutting defense spending by $200 Billion a year.

Roll back $100 Billion on welfare programs that are being taken advantage of.

Raise taxes on the top 10% and corporations for another $400 Billion.

That is $1 Trillion a year towards the debt. We could wipe it out in 20 years. Then reduce taxes and force balanced budgets moving forward.
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Male 3,909
If marijuana was legalized, sold and taxed like alcohol & tobacco the US could save/make over $13 Billion per year.
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Male 7,908
SmagBoy1

It is funny how much people like to throw around the word "fee" in this country, as if they are bragging. The reality is that we are one of the less free industrialized nations.

It would be interesting to see what the financial effect of legalizing drugs, gambling and prostitution would be. You could tax all three for new revenue and then there would be tremendous savings at the state, federal, and local level by eliminating vice enforcement, dea, needless court resources, and at least HALF of the prison budget.

Lets` do that and leave Big Bird alone.
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Male 4,431
Yes, HolyGod! I`m all for not forgetting the third leg!!! I mean, I`m not gay (not that there`s anything wrong with it), but, yes, absolutely, gambling, too!
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Male 7,908
SmagBoy1

Don`t forget the third leg of the victimless crime stool, gambling.
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Male 4,431
slut_etta, they could also legalize and mandate standards for prostitution (a victimless "crime") and other drugs besides marijuana, too. Not only would this increase revenue, it would free up an incredible amount of law enforcement efforts and resources. Cost effective all the way around!
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Male 4,431
Hey, Auburn, they don`t have to take it down. They can say whatever they want. They just have to pay taxes (property, income, investment, etc.). So, their choice.
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Female 4,086
no one should be exempt from paying taxes. imagine how much 1% tax would be on the earnings of one of those mega churches (a la joel osteen). makes you think.

and if they taxed churches AND legalized marijuana, with its attendant excise taxes, i think the deficit could be taken care of pretty quick.

but that`s just my opinion. i`m obviously not intelligent enough to run for any kind of public office.
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Male 886
I hope they get every stinking one of these churches that do this crap. I don`t care if it is for or against, keep your filthy effing religions out of our election.
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Male 4,283
Why a church choosing sides and dividing their flock? Isn`t church supposed to be for everyone? The bible should never be used to make one group of people feel less important.
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Male 10,339
Agreed agreed. Make `em take it down then.
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Male 2,670
If the church wants to remain tax-exempt, then they need to stick to badgering their imaginary Sky Wizards and stay the phucke out of real-world matters like politics.

No violation of free speech here. They are free to say whatever they want -- but if they enter the political arena, they have to pay taxes like EVERY OTHER ENTITY ON THE EFFING PLANET.

Only hard to understand if you`re a complete moron.
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Male 482
Auburn...

They are not violating their right of free speech at all. Say you went into work dressed in a swastika shirt with a white power hat on. YOu would be fired. However, you are still allowed to wear it, therefore they are not violating your rights. You just wouldnt have a job anymore. Since there are rules to tax exempt status and one of those rules was broken, they could be punished by removing their tax expemt status.

They will be allowed to have this sign up until the rapture (see what I did there), but they would pay taxes.
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Male 3,909
If the pastor put a sign in his front lawn, on his own property, that`s acceptable. This sign, on church property, is not acceptable.
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Male 7,908
AuburnJinky

You may want to read up a bit before you say things.

"Tax-exempt nonprofit organizations categorized under IRC 501(c)(3) in federal law [i.e. 26 USC 501(c)(3)] are are absolutely prohibited from engaging in "political activity."


"In IRC 501(c)(3), political activity is described as "participat[ing] in, or interven[ing] in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.""

So this sign is, quite obviously, against the rules for what a tax exempt organization is allowed to do.
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Male 3,909
@auburnjunky - No, it`s not a violation of free speech. Since churches are tax exempt they cannot actively participate in political campaigns. Having this on the sign in front of the church clearly indicates they are attempting to campaign for Romney.
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Male 7,908
Why exactly is Obama a Muslim again? Because he`s black? He`s only half black, so he`s only half Muslim.
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Male 10,339
Wait a second.

Are they losing tax exempt status because of this sign?

If so, that`s a clear violation of free speech.
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Male 5,005
freedom of worship and clearly say that Italian state is a laic state.
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Male 5,005
Gerry1of1 you are completly right. I live in Italy where the church historicaly have lot of influence in politic, our right paties are strictly "affiliated" with church, and also somecenet left party have some link with it. The church in my country have a really huge ammount of land and building properties, evry church on the italian soil is to consider Vatican territory so if you think that every single city, town, village in Italy have at least one or more church you can understand what i am sayng. Untill today this properties where freew from taxation, but hopefully nowaday is passing a law that impose taxes to church properties that aren`t just for religious cult but that are also for profit, like privates catholics schools( oh this "privates" structures recives funds payed by italian citizens too) from the state and so on. I really hope that in the future we will have a real separation between state and church cause our constitution clearly talk about of freedo
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Male 3,909
That`s the problem, they donate some of that money they don`t pay taxes on to politicians who then keep the IRS off their backs. That`s one hell of a racket!!!
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Male 3,445
As I mentioned in the previous thread, this isn`t some isolated incident. There`s an active movement to challenge the existing rules on political speech in tax-exempted religious organizations. Link
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Male 7,908
"non-profit organization they`re not allowed to participate actively in political campaigns"

Agreed. So how did the Church of Latter Day Saints get away with contributing to efforts to ban same sex marriage in California?
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Male 3,909
@Gerry1of1 - You are 100% correct sir! Since a church is basically a non-profit organization they`re not allowed to participate actively in political campaigns.

Consequences of Church Tax Exemptions
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Male 37,888

A "church" is supposed to attend to the spiritual matters and needs of it`s congregation. If it enters the political realm, it`s overstepping the line and should be taxed. If it opens a store, or sells things in other ways, it`s not a church it`s a business.... tax it.
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Male 19,840
Link: Remember That Obama`s A Muslim Church Sign? [Rate Link] - I-A-B posted a church sign from The Church In The Valley in Texas this weekend. Guess who might lose tax-exempt status.
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