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  1. Profile photo of DromEd
    DromEd Male 40-49
    1947 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 8:43 am
    Link: Obama`s Latest Campaign Ad Launched Yesterday - This is what happens when you can`t run on what you`ve done.
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    eugenius Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 8:44 am
    Is this a joke? Is this a f*cking joke?
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 8:46 am
    Or maybe it is just that Romney`s policies (the ones he has actually given us any details about) are too outrageously stupid to pass up criticism.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 8:47 am
    Is this what American politics has come to?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 8:48 am
    This Ad is genius. Ridiculous solutions require a ridiculous response.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 8:48 am
    People are idiots. Sesame Street makes billions of dollars off of merchandise. Why should the government help fund "Big Sesame Street"?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:02 am
    Yes, f*ck you people who can`t afford cable. Romney is taking your Masterpiece Theater. Romney is taking your Nova. Romney is taking your shows that teach you to cook healthier. Romney is taking your kids Sesame Street. Romney is taking your Sid the Science Kid...

    Also yes the Sesame Workshop does make a lot of money from product licensing, but not enough to cover expenses. They earned about $45 million in merchandising during 2010.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:16 am
    PBS has demanded that Obama cease his unauthorized use of their intellectual property.
  9. Profile photo of DromEd
    DromEd Male 40-49
    1947 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 9:21 am
    "If you don`t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run away from. You make a big election about small things,"

    -Barack Obama-
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    hydro99 Male 30-39
    104 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 9:22 am
    There`s no way that`s real. It`s sad that people think this is an actual political ad.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:23 am
    "People are idiots. Sesame Street makes billions of dollars off of merchandise. Why should the government help fund "Big Sesame Street"?"

    If PBS was making billions of dollars off merchandising why would they have to beg for money from their viewers each year? PBS barely breaks even. Link
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:30 am
    "...You make a big election about small things."

    Taking away funding for public broadcasting is not a small thing. And it is not a partisan issue. There are very few Americans that have not benefited from PBS. I bet Romney watched PBS growing up as a kid and as a teen watched PBS movies with his parents. A lot of things need to be trimmed down in the Federal budget but this is not one of them.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:32 am
    markust123, I didn`t say PBS did... I said Sesame Street did.

    Also, it`s called PUBLIC Broadcasting Service... funded by the public... it`s not GBS or Government Broadcasting Service. If the public really wants that station to be in operation, they`ll donate.

    Government shouldn`t be funding television stations at all in my opinion. Period.
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    PirateWillis Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:36 am
    Are you serious. I hardly think that PBS has a huge benefit to most Americans. O.K. Sesame Street...but that`s just a kids show. There are many more kids shows out there. I`ll give you one thing, PBS accounts for a few million on the budget...out of trillions. Cutting PBS won`t do anything to the American Budget. Regardless, don`t defend PBS and swear that it is the most important tv network out there, just because Romney said he would cut it.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:44 am
    "I didn`t say PBS did... I said Sesame Street did. "

    Saying something doesn`t make it true. Sesame Street Media does not make billions of dollars in merchandizing. PBS does not bring in enough funding from merchandizing, corporate sponsorship and donations to pay for their budget. They need the government subsidy to survive.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:47 am
    "Regardless, don`t defend PBS and swear that it is the most important tv network out there, just because Romney said he would cut it."

    No one said it is the most important tv network out there. If you have to lie you`ve already lost your argument.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:54 am
    Not one drop of rain thinks it is responsible for the flood.

    We`re out of money folks. Things need to change and change now. We need to make cuts. We need to make deep cuts that will really hurt. Are you seriously going to argue that Nova, Big Bird and Masterpiece theater should come before somebody`s breakfast? Because you leftists will surely scream fool and foul bloody murder if we try and cut any of that. So what does that leave? Defense? I`m all for doing some defense cutting but we`ll not solve our problems even if we cut it to nothing. And if you want to see real economic hardship try finding a job or affordable house after some crazy fool and his cohorts nukes DC and NY. What happens when 4,5,6 million people are displaced from their homes at once? Face it, it`s the soldiers with the guns that keep that from happening and that costs money and lots of it.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:01 am
    I don`t think anyone would disagree DromEd that there are a lot of hard cuts that we need to do but why is it always all or nothing with Republicans? Why can`t it be, we`re going to cut 1/3 of the PBS subsidy? And 1/2 the next year so they can phase in the new cuts. But no, it`s cut it all. It`s not just Romney it`s Republicans in congress.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:02 am
    Not to mention the massive unemployment that would be caused if you disbanded the armed forces.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:04 am
    And yes you will counter with the oil subsidies but that is an industry that is truly making billions of dollars. They do not need to be subsidized.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:14 am
    Part of Obama`s "demonize the rich" strategy no doubt.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:17 am
    It`s also ironic how Obama mentions the Automakers in this ad as well. This considering Obama along with Bush illegally diverted TARP funds to shield those bad actors from the consequences of their own actions.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:26 am

    "Not to mention the massive unemployment that would be caused if you disbanded the armed forces."
    You don`t have to "disband" the military to cut spending. How about we stop hiring Haliburton to do the laundry and let troops wash their own clothes like they used to. That`s a start and pleny of other Haliburton projects could get cut. Oh, what`s that... Dick Chaney makes gazillions of dollars from those contracts? Well I guess we have to leave those alone. Can`t cut the profit margin now can we.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:30 am
    This ad is B.S. There is no Constitutional mandate to fund public television. I say get rid of this and all other programs funded that are not mandated by the Constitution.

    The real message here is that Obama had nothing of substance to offer so he is throwing mud.

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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:32 am
    You know markust I wish that were possible. But I think we`re out of time. We`re past being able to pick and choose a lot of these things. And it`s the fault of every member of congress and the people who elected them. It`s my fault for not writing DC more and trying to hold my reps feet to the fire. But a few years ago I woke up. I voted Mike Castle out of office because like Biden (my senator) he`d become dug into DC like a tick. We need to toss `em all out and try and start fresh. We need one term presidents and one term congressmen. We need to do away with DC perks and retirement plans.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:46 am
    TruTentrMan

    "Also, it`s called PUBLIC Broadcasting Service... funded by the public... it`s not GBS or Government Broadcasting Service."

    You mean like PUBLIC roads or PUBLIC school? Where do you think the government gets it`s money? The PUBLIC. Government funds are PUBLIC funds.

    I don`t mean to be mean, but you make some of the all time dumbest comments.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:49 am
    Well, I thought it was pretty funny. Kind of undermines the notion "we need to start somewhere" regarding cutting spending but then again, I don`t think it was meant to be taken seriously.

    @DromEd

    Not one drop of rain thinks it is responsible for the flood.
    Never heard that before; I think I will need to "borrow" (See: steal) it from you =)
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:49 am
    If PBS was making billions of dollars off merchandising why would they have to beg for money from their viewers each year?
    Oh, I don`t know, so they can pay Bill Moyers $20 million?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:50 am
    Not one drop of rain thinks it is responsible for the flood.
    Nice quote, too bad you only bring it up when it works for you. It kind of reminded me of when Obama wanted to repeal subsidies for big oil, and idiots like Lou Dobbs criticized him for wanting to cut $4 billion in tax breaks for Big Oil. According to Lou, "That’s only 0.0008 percent of the $5 trillion Obama’s added to the deficit" even though it`s actually like 0.08%.

    So basically, criticize him for wanting to end some subsidies on the same grounds you advocate cutting other subsidies. Brilliant.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:54 am
    DromEd

    "We`re out of money folks. Things need to change and change now."

    I would absolutely agree with you. If Romney had a plan to make hard cuts everywhere that actually made a difference, I would applaud him. But it is kind of a joke to say you want to fix the debt by cutting PBS. $445 Million a year would be $4.5 Billion over a decade. Great. He is saving us $4.5 Billion. Every little bit helps. Except he wants to INCREASE defense spending over $2 Trillion. That is 445 decades of PBS subsidy. That is why I don`t take him seriously. That is why the big bird thing is a joke. It is a ridiculous talking point by a man that will increase the debt like every president before him.

    Does ANYONE in their right mind think we need to INCREASE defense spending?

    tinyurl.com/dyaqtl2
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6919 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 10:58 am
    "This is what happens when you can`t run on what you`ve done."

    UNEMPLOYMENT
    Worst point 2009: 10%
    Today: 7.8%
    Source: tinyurl.com/9g6gek4

    GDP
    Worst point 2009: $13.85 Trillion
    Today: $15.83 Trillion
    Source: tinyurl.com/8nmusfn

    NEW HOME BUILDS
    Worst point 2009: 478,000
    Today: 750,000
    Source: tinyurl.com/d32lag8

    HOME PURCHASES
    Worst point 2009: 4.49 Million (seasonally adjusted annual rate)
    Today: 4.82 Million (seasonally adjusted annual rate)
    Source: tinyurl.com/8eqa2ts

    NASDAQ
    Worst point 2009: 1293
    Today: 3136
    Source: tinyurl.com/8a96afo (change to 5yr)

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:00 am
    DOW
    Worst point 2009: 6,626
    Today: 13,610
    Source: tinyurl.com/455lbcj (change to 5yr)

    CHANGE IN JOBS
    Worst point 2009: -818,000
    Today: +114,000
    Source: tinyurl.com/3non4n6

    AVERAGE HOURLY EARNINGS
    Worst point 2009: $22.03
    Today: $23.58
    Source: tinyurl.com/9tu5d8r

    EMPLOYED PEOPLE:
    Worst point 2009: 129,319,000
    Today: 133,500,000
    Source: tinyurl.com/6tsspgz

    MEDIAN HOME LIST PRICE
    Worst point 2009: $205,100
    Today: $256,000
    Source: tinyurl.com/cddzufx

    I`ll post these FACTS every time someone makes that claim between now and the election. No spin. No punditry. No talking points. Just facts. If you look at those still think Obama (not solely obviously) hasn`t turned the economy around, ok.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:02 am
    so why doesn`t IAB just admit they are being paid t work for the GOP. seriously, I am all for taking the wind out of politicans but this site seems only interested in doing that with one politician...

    IAB you have sold out...or the person that runs this site thinks it is okay to risk using it as a political tool...which makes him a tool.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:04 am
    when you focus on the real numbers and get away from all the BS

    jobs,
    the economy,
    the stock market
    all of it has improved greatly over where the GOP left it in 2008.

    you can say otherwise but you would be arguing with actual figures, not an opinion.

    it is always in the best interest of the GOP to make everyone think everything is horrible...unless they changed something for the better. hell, I can`t remember the last time the GOP ever changed anything for the anything but the worse.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:07 am
    "We need one term presidents and one term congressmen. We need to do away with DC perks and retirement plans."

    This is something libs and cons agree. Although I would give them 2 terms. One to learn the job and the second to really get stuff done.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:12 am
    [quote">MEDIAN HOME LIST PRICE [/quote">

    Sorry we`re not out of the woods yet.

    [quote">UNEMPLOYMENT[/quote">

    Not much of plus considering it was lower under Bush (according to your own link).

    [quote">GDP[/quote">

    ...per capita stunted during Obama admin
  37. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:16 am
    Cajun247 the article you linked uses numbers from March of 2011. How is that accurate? The Federal Fiscal Year just ended you should be able to get numbers up to last month.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:20 am
    Most of the rest are not really reliable indicators.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:22 am
    The Federal Fiscal Year just ended you should be able to get numbers up to last month.


    The article did say another price plunge was inevitable, just hasn`t happened yet so don`t hold your breath
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:24 am
    The ad is pretty silly, but this whole thing has become an issue because Romney said he wanted to make budget cuts, and when pressed for examples, he couldn`t come up with much more than this. The point is that if he`s going to make the claim that he wants to cut the federal budget, he needs to back it up with serious examples, not something that takes up a miniscule portion of the overall budget.

    So it`s his own fault for not presenting a real plan.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:25 am
    Cajun247

    MEDIAN HOME LIST PRICE
    Worst point 2009: $205,100
    Today: $256,000
    Source: tinyurl.com/cddzufx

    UNEMPLOYMENT
    Worst point 2009: 10%
    Today: 7.8%
    Source: tinyurl.com/9g6gek4
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:33 am
    Hate to burst your bubble on those stock exchange numbers
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:35 am
    HG: Repeating your facts is not a sound rebuttal.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:37 am
    Cajun247

    NASDAQ
    Worst point 2009: 1293
    Today: 3136
    Source: tinyurl.com/8a96afo (change to 5yr)

    DOW
    Worst point 2009: 6,626
    Today: 13,610
    Source: tinyurl.com/455lbcj (change to 5yr)

    Doesn`t burst my bubble. However the numbers above are not conjecture, opinions, forecasts, assumptions, or anything else. Just FACTS. I like to use facts. If you would rather rely on some guy`s opinion on what is about to happen, OK. If it happens than I will amend my facts.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:38 am
    Cajun247

    HG: Repeating your facts is not a sound rebuttal.

    I disagree. If you post an article of someone`s opinion on what might happen, my rebuttal is facts.
  46. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:45 am
    If you post an article of someone`s opinion on what might happen, my rebuttal is facts.

    Thus you choose to ignore context, posting positive numbers to indicate the "good job" Obama has done. Right.

    If it happens than I will amend my facts.

    Amend them all you want, none of them in context makes the case for another Obama presidency.

    Since you insist, I`ll repeat MY facts:
    Growth STUNTED under Obama (see GDP per capita).
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:51 am
    Cajun247

    "Amend them all you want, none of them in context makes the case for another Obama presidency."

    Look. The numbers show the economy is far better today then at it`s worst point in 2009. You can twist it with opinions and context all you want. You can say it is all because Obama or that it is just the free market correcting or maybe that it is because of the Republicans in the house. Anyone can skew anything they want any way they want. You don`t think I can find a dozen articles right now that say the exact opposite context of the one you posted?
  48. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:54 am
    You don`t think I can find a dozen articles right now that say the exact opposite context of the one you posted?

    ...and I`ll analyze them, carefully. Which is what you should do with ANY facts/opinions you post. My point is those numbers, by themselves, do NOT say that the economy is better. Just some elements of society are doing better at a particular point in time.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    Cajun 247

    "Growth STUNTED under Obama (see GDP per capita)."

    Ok. Let`s check that.

    GDP per capita 2009: $45,192
    GDP per capita 2010: $46,702
    GDP per capita 2011: $48,442

    tinyurl.com/y5tfwwd

    Projected GDP for 2012: $15.72 T

    tinyurl.com/m7z9ag

    Current US population: 311.59 M

    GDP per capita 2012: $50,450

    $45,192 to $50,450

    How is that "Stunted"?

    Care to try again?
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    October 9, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    This goes to show how gullible some of us are. Without a vote for Obama Sesame Street will no longer exist? Really?

    In that case, can Obama pay for the Jersey Shore? or the NFL Network?
  51. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    Cajun 247

    You may want to look more carefully at your own chart. GDP per capita starts going down in 2007 it starts going up again in 2009.

    Were you under the impression Obama was president in 2007? Or did you just read the chart wrong?
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    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    America needs to get to grips with the corporate takeover of the government: Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Agra, Big Bird.
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    Quaribea Female 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    Lets get real. No one ever really liked big bird, anyway. He`s whiny, has an annoying laugh, and he`s rather stupid. Besides, he`s 41. Isn`t it about time he grows up and start paying for his own place?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    NPR represents .012 of our budget. So long as we can afford an endless supply of bombs we can afford educating our youth with puppets. Ironically the only people who can`t seem to grasp this concept are republican.
    I wonder how much our Horse ballet subsidy is and how come Mitt`s not talking about cutting that? Oh yeah...
  55. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    HG: The GDP Growth rate has been stunted under Obama, it`s under 2%, right now, and has not been above 3% in the last 4 years. The GDP growth rate needs to be over 4% a year just to keep up with normal inflation.
  56. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    [quote">Care to try again?[/quote">

    Okay you`re *partially* right, I did actually misread that graph. In fact that dip is attributed to Bush`s portion of the bailout.

    In fact both Bush and Obama get the blame for stunting economic growth. Here`s why,
    From your source: 1989 to 2005 term the economy in terms Nom GDP per capita was growing at around 4.19% yearly. From Bush`s term onward and towards your projection it goes to 2.47%.

    Clinton`s rate was 4.46%
    Bush in his first term was 5.79%
    In the second term it was 2.91%
    Obama so far 3.74%

    The real GDP growth numbers tell a slighty different story.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 3:01 pm
    CrakrJak & Cajun247

    I don`t disagree with what you are saying.

    Here are my points, let me know if you disagree with any of these:

    Obama took office in the middle of the worst recession since the 30s.
    Obama did not cause it.
    The recession stopped getting worse within Obama`s first year.
    Almost all economic indicators have gotten better since.

    Now if we agree on those things let`s admit that the Obama`s first term was spent fixing. I for one, would like to see what he can do with the next 4 years. I`d like to see if things keep improving. I think he did good enough fixing things to get an opportunity to keep going.

    I`ll be the first to tell you, blaming it on Bush is over. Things are basically back to the way they were before he took office. From this point forward it is all on him. No excuses. I think he deserves a shot.
  58. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    The recession stopped getting worse within Obama`s first year.
    Almost all economic indicators have gotten better since.

    These two I disagree with, it *appears* to be getting better. Based on what the government`s doing now the upward trend will eventually turn around. Until the government scales back it`s involvement in the private sector we won`t see much meaningful improvement.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    Cajun247

    Again, you are talking about what will happen, or at least what you THINK will happen. I can`t debate that. I`m making my points solely and the definitive data we have at this time.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm
    "These two I disagree with, it *appears* to be getting better. Based on what the government`s doing now the upward trend will eventually turn around."

    What are you talking about. How can you disagree when the numbers prove you wrong? Everything HG has shown you proves it is getting better. The only thing that is not getting better is the debt and that is 100% because the two sides will not come to a consensus on a balanced approach. Congress on both sides are f*cking us on that one. No matter who gets in they will have to work together to cut spending and increase revenue. This can not wait another 4 years.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    Now that is funny. You don`t believe things are getting better because you think things are going to get worse again. Can`t argue with insanity like that.
  62. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    Markust you and I both agree that the govt is going broke, Obamacare is projected to accelerate that. On top of which the Fed continues to print money which devalues our currency and decreases purchasing power overall. Based on govt debt alone one of two things are going to happen:

    a)The govt is eventually going to scrap most of the programs especially OASDI and HHS.

    b)The govt isn`t going to address the above two fiscal time bombs and is going raise taxes so high it`s going drive capital away.

    The private sector is rightfully worried about outcome "b" because usually when govt fails there are calls for MORE govt. If the govt wasn`t running deficits like it is now growth would be A LOT higher.
  63. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm
    You don`t believe things are getting better because you think things are going to get worse again. Can`t argue with insanity like that.

    It`s not insane when you consider the government`s affect on the private sector.

    How can you disagree when the numbers prove you wrong? Everything HG has shown you proves it is getting better.

    They`re better at this point in time, the govt debt will eventually undo ALL of those gains. That will happen unless there is something done to slash the cost of government.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    "Obamacare is projected to accelerate that."

    The cost of health care on the government if the reform hadn`t gone through would have been a lot more.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 5:42 pm
    The cost of health care on the government if the reform hadn`t gone through would have been a lot more.

    That`s true IF you`re making a comparison to Obamacare being completely and faithfully being interpreted and executed. That`s already out of the question considering the court struck down the MedicAid expansion.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    4088 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    The answer isn`t let the Private sector save us. That`a a stupid idea. Government is a necessary evil to prevent corporate greed running amok. Ideally we should be adopting what the common person wants/needs. By common I`m referring to intelligent/educated individuals that care about the well being of the Human race.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
    823 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    because




    bewbs
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm
    The answer isn`t let the Private sector save us. That`a a stupid idea.

    Easy for you to say, the government has done enough damage already. More stimulus and regulations isn`t going to solve our problems.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 12:10 am
    markust: Doctors are pretty unified against Obamacare now, it`s going to be even more paperwork and cost for them, that is only going to make healthcare cost even more than it is now.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 12:18 am
    normalfreak: If the private sector of healthcare was not burdened with large amounts of paperwork, huge malpractice insurance costs and the demands of unnecessary testing to cover their ass on their diagnosis, then healthcare costs would drop precipitately.

    Tort reform would help a lot, repealing and replacing Obamacare also a necessary step.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 5:20 am
    The Children`s TV Netowrk, maker of Sesame st, has asked the Obama campaign to cease airing this stupid ad.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 5:35 am
    BWUAHAHAHAHAAA! This is like something from SNL! Why excatly do we have to fund PBS with taxes? Don`t they do telethons for donation? Where`s all the money Sesame Street merchandise makes going? Ever see how many toys they have?
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 6:05 am
    America is not going broke. More nonsense the rights been spewing since Obama was elected. We are an economic powerhouse. Our GDP is in excess of 14 trillion. It`s a constant. It`s our credit. Democrats are fixing the deficit that the republicans created in spite of republicans desire to see America fail so they could blame Obama. They are traitors and their defenders are stupid.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6273 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 8:46 am

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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1947 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 8:47 am
    Not going broke `eh?

    Ok..let`s look at some real numbers in billions for 2012.

    Total Recipts = 2469

    Mandatory Programs
    SS 773
    Medicare 478
    Mediciad 255
    TARP 35
    Other mandatory 711
    Interest 225
    -------------------------
    total 2477


    OK...we`re out of money and we haven`t even funded the federal government.


    Lesse.....

    Security= 868
    Non security 450
    --------------------------
    total 1318


    We`re short 1326.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 8:50 am
    Don`t forget MeGrendel, madest has been living under a (Obama certified) rock for the past 3 years.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 8:55 am
    Heard it when Clinton was president. Where`s that Zimbabwe currency you`ve been cheering for? Your racism is blinding your reality.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 8:58 am
    Your racism is blinding your reality.

    Alas, madest has played the race card against me.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 10:09 am
    My world does not revolve around you Cajun nor is every comment directed at you. Don`t worry I`ll let you know. My aim is true.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6273 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 10:22 am
    Updated:


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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 10:28 am

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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 10:55 am
    My world does not revolve around you Cajun nor is every comment directed at you

    Ah and I`m expected to NOT respond to every stupid comment you make. Like the second to last comment that was full of BS. You know what maybe I shouldn`t respond anyway considering you`ve proven yourself to be a liberal clown.

    My aim is true.

    Boy you couldn`t even hit tha brawdside of a barn with a bazooka!
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    Eight facts that prove we`re not going broke. But why let facts get in the way with your racist nonsense. Get your hoods, burn your crosses you got a long 4 more years in front of your dumb asses.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 1:35 pm

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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6273 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    madest-"your racist nonsense. Get your hoods, burn your crosses"

    Okay madest...doubling down on your race card doesn`t make your bu!!poo any less bu!!poo.


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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 11, 2012 at 5:35 am
    Would a racist recognize racism in himself? Of course not. They`d deny their inherent racism and attack the person pointing out that they are racist. Thanks for living up to your stereotype.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6273 posts
    October 11, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    So tell us, madest, how`s it feel to see racist around every corner. They especially seem come out when you`re losing an argument (which is often).

    This is your entire argument:

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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 11, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    I don`t see racists around every corner. I think the nation has gotten over racism for the most part. In fact I can name several conservative IABers that aren`t racist. You`re not one of them MeGrendel and the impetus isn`t on me to prove that you are racist it should be on you to prove you`re not. I don`t give a crap that you`re a racist. Our paths would never cross if it weren`t for the internet. Not all conservatives are racist but all racists are conservative.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6273 posts
    October 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    madest-"he impetus isn`t on me to prove that you are racist it should be on you to prove you`re not"

    The impetus isn`t on me to prove that you are a child molester it should be on you to prove you`re not. (hey, that bull comes in handy).

    madest-"but all racists are conservative"

    KKK, started by democrats.

    "Typical White Person"-Obama.

    "Blacks and Hispanics are too busy eating watermelons and tacos to learn how to read and write." -- Mike Wallace

    "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee

    "You f*cking Jew [email protected]" -- Hillary Clinton

    "I`ve seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time." -- Former Klansman US Senator Robert Byrd

    "White folks was in caves while we was building empires" - `Rev` Al Sharpton.

    You`re REALLY not very good at this, madest.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 8:07 am
    Yeah I`m a pedophile. You have the logic of a racist. Attack attack attack. Let me ask, have you ever given Obama a break? Certainly you gave Bush several breaks even though he proved early on that he was retarded. Think about it. You`re vicious towards the guy because you don`t like the color of his skin and that makes him unrelatable to a pinhead like you. In typical racist fashion you point to the democrats racist past without mentioning the switch of positions during the civil rights era. Now you`re living in some fantasy backwater where the only racists are black people. Look man you`re too evolved for such nonsense. Perhaps if you tried to look past the color of the presidents skin you`d find someone more appealing than some rich douche who considers you nothing more than a servant to his well being.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6273 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 10:35 am
    madest-"You have the logic of a racist."

    So, repeating your own logic back to your is `racist`s. Interesting.

    madest-"You`re vicious towards the guy because you don`t like the color of his skin"

    Let`s see: I didn`t like Carter, Hillary or Bill Clinton, or Obama for pretty much the same reasons. What do they have in common? (hint: not skin color).

    madest-"where the only racists are black people."

    Hmmm, seeing as I never said that, you`re just making up shat as you go along.

    madest-"Perhaps if you tried to look past the color of the presidents skin"

    Hey, I`ve got his dumb stances, lousy ideas, horrible record and abyssmal performance to dislike.

    YOU, cannot win an argument based on his stances, ideas, record or performance, so MUST focus on his skin color. The racist car is all you got, and you have no idea how bad it`s failing.

    I just wish he worried about America
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 10:52 am
    Whatever racist douche.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6273 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    madest-"Whatever racist douche."

    Finale retreat to the Race Card. It`s all you got, and it ain`t much.

    Submission duly noted.

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