Obama Vs Mitt: 2012 Prez Debate 2 [IT`S ON!]

Submitted by: fancylad 5 years ago in

Let"s hear your play-by-play analysis, I-A-B.
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Male 17,511
Btw, Gallyp came out with it`s new daily numbers today.

Romney 52% Obama 45% Gallup

Now markust, please admit you were wrong.

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Male 5,014
The Onion headline, "Millions Head To Internet To Figure Out Their Own Opinions About Debate"
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Male 2,711
@McGovern
I may despise you and all you stand for, but I gotta give you props for finding the best `binder` meme so far. Good one!
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Male 10,855
Not just for voting state offices mind you, it would be a way for choosing the Electors for Office of the POTUS.
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Male 10,855
[quote] would love if we switched to the Alternative Vote[/quote]

Sounds like a system that would best work at the state level.
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Male 5,014
"The only reason why the electoral college isn`t working like it should is because the two big parties keep taking 90%+ of the popular vote."

I would love if we switched to the Alternative Vote.
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Male 10,855
[quote] The only good thing about it is that it allows us to see who won early by who gets the Eastern Swing states, specifically Florida and Ohio.[/quote]

The only reason why the electoral college isn`t working like it should is because the two big parties keep taking 90%+ of the popular vote.
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Male 7,830
McGovern, Okay, thats been the best one so far.
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Male 14,331
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Male 5,014
"Markust, either way, I hope so. The electoral college is pure trash."

The only good thing about it is that it allows us to see who won early by who gets the Eastern Swing states, specifically Florida and Ohio.
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Male 7,830
Markust, either way, I hope so. The electoral college is pure trash.
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Male 5,014
If Romney wins the popular vote but Obama wins the election are we finally going to get rid of the Electoral College?
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Male 7,830
Crakr, you have to wait for the polls to be taken today to really see the effects of the debate that took place last night.
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Male 5,014
"Frankly, the only polls that matter at this point are the swing states."

So true. Romney leads in Florida, North Carolina and Colorado. Even if he wins those three swing states and the next two that Obama has a slight lead in (Virginia & New Hampshire) he still would lose 261 to Obama`s 285. But if Romney gets Ohio which Obama has had a lead in the whole time then Romney could win. It`s really all about who gets Ohio.
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Male 17,511
markust: Are you trying to say that Gallup ends it`s polling before 8pm? So yesterday doesn`t count?

Would it have counted, for you, if Obama was in the lead? Hmmm.
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Male 17,511
markust: Only 9 states are `Likely Obama` in the RCP map. Romney has 13 `Likely` states and the states you mentioned by name are still considered `toss up`. Overall only 10 electoral votes separate them, unless you`re conceding Florida which would give Romney the lead 220 to 201.
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Male 5,014
"Don`t waste your time."

Believe me I won`t anymore.
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Male 5,014
"Will you admit you`re wrong when tomorrow`s numbers come out in favor of Romney?"

You are seriously insane. I was challenging your statement that today`s polls show a bounce for Romney from the debate. You were clearly wrong since the numbers from yesterday (that were released today) were taken before the debate was over. I can`t do it anymore. I`m done with you. You`re not worth the time or aggravation.
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Male 9,762
Markust

"You seriously are the most frustrating person I have ever encountered. I have zero respect for people that can`t admit they are wrong."

Don`t waste your time. I had him with hard department of labor statistics that proved he was wrong and he responded by saying that he wasn`t wrong because he remembered seeing something different on TV 30 years ago.

He`s a joke on here. Everyone knows it, even the conservatives that agree with him. Just ignore him.
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Male 5,014
"Frankly, the only polls that matter at this point are the swing states."

So true. Romney leads in Florida, North Carolina and Colorado. Even if he wins in the next two that Obama has a slight lead in (Virginia & New Hampshire) he still would lose 261 to Obama`s 285. But if Romney gets Ohio which Obama has had a lead in the whole time then Romney could win. It`s really all about who gets Ohio.
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Male 17,511
markust: Will you admit you`re wrong when tomorrow`s numbers come out in favor of Romney?

I seriously doubt it.
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Male 17,511
Madest: After further reading, it was 8 forms, all were turned in and all 8 people will be able to vote.

Geib said, "The guidance I received from them was, yes, that they did meet the deadline. They were delivered to our office, and so they are going to be able to vote in the November election." - NBC29.com

Why couldn`t you have linked to the actual news story instead of a blog madest? Oh that`s right, because the blog said the forms were `destroyed`, which was a total lie.
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Male 5,014
"Doesn`t change the fact that they are Today`s numbers."

You seriously are the most frustrating person I have ever encountered. I have zero respect for people that can`t admit they are wrong.
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Male 7,378
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Male 17,511
FoolsPrussia: That`s not an accumulated number, that`s their daily tracking poll.
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Male 3,445
I see you fixed the first date. Doesn`t change the fact that the polls are accumulated from the 10th-16th, which doesn`t take the debate that occured end of day, Oct. 16.
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Male 3,445
`Was last night not the 15th?`

It was the 16th. Today is the 17th.
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Male 17,511
FoolsPrussia: Was last night not the 16th? Are you expecting Gallup to have a time machine and show the 17th`s numbers before the day is up?
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Male 3,445
And you first said, "IF Obama did so well last night, why has the polling gap widened between Romney 51% and Obama 45%?"

That means you`re trying to tie the debate performance to numbers that took place in the past. Did those polled have a time machine?
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Male 3,445
Come on CJ. If you roll over the chart, it says that is for Oct. 10-16.
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Male 17,511
markust: Doesn`t change the fact that they are Today`s numbers.
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Male 5,014
"markust: Yesterday Gallup was Romney 50% Obama 46%. What I linked to was their daily tracking poll. That means the 51% - 45% is Today`s numbers."

Yeah, from the results of yesterdays polling which was done before the debate. Look at the date on the poll - it ends 10/16. I have never seen you admit that you are wrong on IAB. Not once. You are clearly wrong on this. Are you man enough to admit it?
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Male 17,511
madest: Fine, bring your crying towel.
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Male 7,378
I`ll see you on Nov 7th smart guy.
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Male 3,445
Frankly, the only polls that matter at this point are the swing states.
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Male 17,511
Keep telling yourself that madest, minorities are hurting worst of all because of this president`s policies.
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Male 17,511
markust: Yesterday Gallup was Romney 50% Obama 46%. What I linked to was their daily tracking poll. That means the 51% - 45% is Today`s numbers.
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Male 7,378
The polls won`t matter this time anyway CJ. Mitt Romney has effectively alienated so many minorities they`ve become a majority.
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Male 5,014
"IF Obama did so well last night, why has the polling gap widened between Romney 51% and Obama 45%?"

Really CJ? You need to be explained that the polling numbers that were released for yesterday were done before the debate took place? You know exactly how Gallup works and also their seven day average. Don`t play stupid.
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Male 17,511
IF Obama did so well last night, why has the polling gap widened between Romney 51% and Obama 45%? Gallup
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Male 7,378
Uhh Cajun, Check your facts. Wall Street wants Romney. Unions Obama but unions are indeed people.
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Male 9,762
Cajun247

"Economic mobility is alive and well in America"

Not sure what that video had to do with our conversation. I don`t disagree that opportunity still exists for anyone.

I simply said the rich get richer even during a recession. That video doesn`t speak to that at all.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Obama supporters have the country in mind.[/quote]

Except for the big banks and unions that support him.
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Male 7,378
Adelson is trying to save his ass from going to jail for bribery. The Koch brothers want to pollute the country because it costs money to filter the crap they spew into the atmosphere. Everyone who supports Romney has an angle. Obama supporters have the country in mind.
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Male 10,855
[quote">Also, your 1. 2. 3. Is a bit naive no? The rich got richer in the last 6 years of recession.[/quote">

Economic mobility is alive and well in America
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Male 9,762
Cajun247

"That doesn`t make any sense."

Well Adelson stands to benefit with $2 billion in tax breaks with Romney`s plan. I`d say that makes perfect sense.

Also, your 1. 2. 3. Is a bit naive no? The rich got richer in the last 6 years of recession. The rich don`t lose money when most of the country does.
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Male 1,399
Crowley On September 30th: Administration Took Weeks To Admit Benghazi Might Be A Terrorist Attack
CNN Video

How could this be? Candy was so certain during the debate...well, until she started tap dancing directly AFTER the debate...
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Male 14,331
It`s interesting they get on Romney for being a rich boy and then get Hollywood to back them. Fact is they both suck one seems to want to raise a nation with handouts and the other is a rich draft dodger. Both out of touch with the middle class.
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Male 10,855
[quote]People like the koch brothers or shelden adelson vote republican so they can watch the country tank for the sake of tax breaks for them and their friends.[/quote]

That doesn`t make any sense.
1)Kill your potential customer base`s purchasing power.
2)???????
3)PROFIT!
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Male 9,762
Oprah is voting for Obama. She`s a rich person voting against their own financial interest for the benefit of most people in the country.

People like the koch brothers or shelden adelson vote republican so they can watch the country tank for the sake of tax breaks for them and their friends.
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Male 7,830
Cajun, "Interestingly enough the big banks endorse both candidates."

Yeah, they differ on minor things in reality. The fact is that they [along with most politicians] are already bought and paid for.
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Male 3,445
`Candy Fatwhore was still a horrible moderator`

Damn dude. If you`re going to criticize the moderator, do it for her performance. Don`t resort to childish names. That doesn`t exactly add legitimacy to your position.
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Male 7,378
Oprah`s voting for Obama so I don`t understand the point of that nonsense but you know McGovern`s always good for a pic or gif of a black person.

Candy Crowley did an awesome job of moderating. Calling Mitt out on one of his 42 lies was quite delicious.
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Male 10,855
[quote]I`m not talking about the story itself but how it is "reported".[/quote]

I don`t know about you dude, but I think it`s outrageous for people within the Obama admin to essentially tell people to forsake their 1st amendment rights.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Oprah have to do with anything[/quote]

Oprah by and large endorses Barack Obama. Interestingly enough the big banks endorse both candidates.
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Male 5,014
"You sure about that?"

I have to run Cajun. See my last response. I`m not talking about the story itself but how it is "reported".
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Female 2,674
What does Oprah have to do with anything?
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Male 14,331
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Male 5,014
A news station with integrity researches a story and does a couple pieces. If there are lies or cover-ups they get exposed. A sensational organization like Fox News or MSNBC create the controversy first, create the story, then push their version relentlessly everyday and sometimes every hour until their story is the story. It is bad journalism. I`m glad Romney got shut down trying to push the Fox narrative. Karma got the best of him.
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Male 10,855
[quote">What you are talking about with Obama is just a made up controversy by Fox News.[/quote">

You sure about that?
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Male 5,014
"His is rather mute compared to the Admin`s reactions to the attack. Especially considering that Romney was a CANDIDATE and Obama is the Commander-in-Chief."

I think you are forgetting all the sh*t Romney got for his statements. It was in real bad form. What you are talking about with Obama is just a made up controversy by Fox News.
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Male 5,014
"If that`s true, then yes my mistake."

I think we know who did women the biggest disservice and that was the moderator.
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Male 5,014
I don`t think the moderator was being biased though. Some of the questions that she screened for the audience were softball throws to Romney. I think she is just a bad moderator. I would have been furious if she had done to Obama what she did to Romney. I completely understand the frustration. A moderator is not supposed to jump in and interrupt an answer to fact check. If you want to hold their feet to the fire you do it after time is up in a form of a question.
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Male 10,855
[quote]That looked really bad. Maybe it was the delivery.[/quote]

I guess I was simply saying that Obama doesn`t fare much better on the matter. Come to think of it Obama had very little to do with your response.

If that`s true, then yes my mistake.
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Male 10,855
[quote]And he did this within 24 hours of the attack without getting all the facts on the extent of the attack[/quote]

His is rather mute compared to the Admin`s reactions to the attack. Especially considering that Romney was a CANDIDATE and Obama is the Commander-in-Chief.
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Male 5,014
"Candy Fatwhore was still a horrible moderator, and led Obama and the audience on multiple occasions."

I`ve got to run but I wanted to say I agree with you. She inserted herself too far in a couple places. And she cut Romney off in mid point which I didn`t think was cool. Although to be fair she didn`t let Obama respond to a point but it wasn`t as bad as her cutoff Romney. With all that removed I still think Obama won. He showed up with his boots on.
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Male 5,014
Not talking about my comment, "Yes nothing tells women that you are on their side like telling America that women in the work place need special treatment." That looked really bad. Maybe it was the delivery.
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Male 10,338
Okay.

The first debate was a smash hit grand slam for Romney.

This debate was a slight win for Obama.

Romney is still in good shape. Nobody on the Conservative side is freaking out (Madest).

Candy Fatwhore was still a horrible moderator, and led Obama and the audience on multiple occasions.
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Male 5,014
"So your post was pointless? That makes your comment devoid of meaning."

My comment was pointless. I think I made that clear with my agreement. Or were you just so shocked that someone on IAB can admit they were wrong that it confused you?
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Male 5,014
"I find this statement ironic considering that`s EXACTLY what Obama did by blaming the attack on a video."

Mitt Romney used the attack to attack his opponent. And he did this within 24 hours of the attack without getting all the facts on the extent of the attack. His reaction was panned by people on the left and the right as extremely inappropriate.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Ha ha. You`re right.[/quote]

So your post was pointless? That makes your comment devoid of meaning.
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Male 5,014
"Not sure why you`d post a link to anti-Feminist website."

Ha ha. You`re right.
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Male 7,378
Look at the republicans yearning for an administration that would just jump to conclusions without all the facts. Look boys the Bush years are gone isn`t that what you`re always pointing out?
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Male 10,855
[quote]Even the feminists were happy with Obama`s plan @Cajun247[/quote]

Not sure why you`d post a link to anti-Feminist website.
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Male 10,855
[quote">tragedy for political purposes before any of the facts were out[/quote">

I find this statement ironic considering that`s EXACTLY what Obama did by blaming the attack on a video.

[quote">Then he tried to push the Fox News sponsored Fast & Furious story and got shut down again[/quote">

We at least agree on what Fast and Furious is right?
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Male 5,014
Even the feminists were happy with Obama`s plan @Cajun247. It was very empowering to women.
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Male 5,014
My favorite part of the debate was when Romney tried to push Fox News narratives and failed miserably. He tried to push the Fox News created story that it`s how Obama explained Libya that is the story not the actual attack or that people died. But he got caught on a technicality and he got called out for using a tragedy for political purposes before any of the facts were out. Then he tried to push the Fox News sponsored Fast & Furious story and got shut down again. Sorry a news organization is supposed to report the news not create the news. It was good to see someone fail when repeating sensationalist stories.
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Male 10,855
[quote">Yes nothing tells women that you are on their side like telling America that women in the work place need special treatment.[/quote">

Oh the irony!
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Male 7,378
He keeps his women in binders.
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Male 5,014
Mitt Romney, who in his own words, has led and consulted for businesses for 25 years, yet he didn`t know any qualified women for his cabinet when he was Governor, or know where to find any qualified women?
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Male 7,378
Mitt trusts women with everything except their money and vaginas.
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Male 5,014
"Mitt Romney`s solution to income inequality for women is to make sure they can get home in time to make dinner. I choked on my water when I heard him say it. LOL"

Yes nothing tells women that you are on their side like telling America that women in the work place need special treatment.
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Male 79
Also in regards to the oil drilling, did everyone forget the BP oil spill? New drilling stopped for awhile to ensure all of the platforms met safety standards. You can`t blame Obama for that.
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Male 79
Mitt Romney`s solution to income inequality for women is to make sure they can get home in time to make dinner. I choked on my water when I heard him say it. LOL
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Male 7,378
Republicans are freaking out! Obama destroyed Mittens. Maybe Mitt can get a refund on his magic underwear because they weren`t working properly last night. Needs to wash the poop stains out first...
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Male 10,855
This debate was just another pile of malarkey.
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Male 5,811
You guys are still on this oil thing? Look, the 2008 number in that report was for the total of 2008, so that was the number when Obama took office in January 2009. Period. 2009 was up from 2008, and slightly higher than the 2011 number. Period. So it`s still up from when he took office, since he didn`t take office in December 2009. So you are still wrong @crakr, or does the fictitious Obama you believe in take office at the end of the year? I found it easy to admit wrong, and you can`t even acquiesce a nothing point like this? Get over yourself.
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Male 375
I am so glad I don`t partake in this nonsense anymore. I guess getting a life is a really good antidote for avoiding the needless aggravation of virtual idiots.
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Male 2,694
Didn`t watch. Kitchen Nightmares was on. It`s a better brand of shouting and at least something actually gets accomplished.
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Female 2,549
Video is private :(
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Male 9,762
CrakrJak

"But one could argue, as you have in the past, that Obama wasn`t responsible for the numbers in 2009. "It Was Bush`s Fault!", they exclaim."

Absolutely. I`m guilty of that. If you look at an unemployment rate chart it is CLEARLY going up when Obama takes office.

If we looked at a monthly chart and oil production was going up monthly leading up to Obama taking office and continued to go up I would not give Obama credit for it going up. However all we have is the year totals.

This is a dumb argument. AJ is right, we are arguing semantics.
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Male 17,511
HG: But one could argue, as you have in the past, that Obama wasn`t responsible for the numbers in 2009. "It Was Bush`s Fault!", they exclaim.

So if Obama isn`t responsible for 2009, he doesn`t get credit for it either. Therefore, what I said stands.
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Male 10,338
I think we are all arguing semantics here on this oil thing lol.

Look at the permits granted graph. Much more telling.
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Male 10,338
"presidential debate + Facebook + beer+ me = I-A-B Troll."

Same same JT. Same same.
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Male 9,762
Crakr

"You`re trying to attribute that raise in production to Obama, but on the other end not attribute the loss of 17,000 to him as well"

I have no problem saying 2011 is lower than 2009. He still gets credit for 2009 though.

Here is an analogy:

A business makes $10,000 in 2008. I take it over at the beginning of 2009. It makes $30,000 in 2009, $40,000 in 2010, and $29,000 in 2011.

Would you say the business is down since I took over? NO. Of course not. It is down since my first year, yes. But it is NOT down since I took over.
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Male 10,338
Okay HG. Let me explain how I see this.

Year one ends. 1,731,000. Okay. Good. We need oil. Keep the gas prices low.

Year three ends. 1,714,000. WHAT THE drat ARE YOU DOING?!

None of us are denying Bush only drilled 1.5 in 2008. That wasn`t the question.
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Male 17,511
HG: You`re trying to attribute that raise in production to Obama, but on the other end not attribute the loss of 17,000 to him as well.

You`ve said before that Obama couldn`t be held responsible for the economy he inherited, in 2009, because of Bush.

Please pick a date where you consider he`s responsible and stick with it instead of changing the goal posts.
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Male 17,511
HG: Since your adding 2008 numbers to Obama`s stats, can I tack on all those jobs lost in 2008 as well?

No, I can`t? Hmmm.
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Male 17,511
HG: You`re trying to attribute that raise in production to Obama, but on the other end not attribute the loss of 17,000 to him as well.

You`ve said before that Obama couldn`t be held responsible for the economy he inherited, in 2009, because of Bush.

Please pick a date where you consider he`s responsible and stick with it instead of changing the goal posts.
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Male 3,369
presidential debate + Facebook + beer+ me = I-A-B Troll.
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Male 9,762
Crakr

"Since your adding 2008 numbers to Obama`s stats, can I tack on all those jobs lost in 2008 as well?"

HUH? What was I adding onto Obama`s stats? I attributed 2008 production to Bush.
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Male 9,762
AuburnJunky and Crakr

I don`t understand how we can possibly be disagreeing on this. You guys are citing oil production that happened AFTER he took office as being the oil production the day he took office? The number you guys are citing are numbers that happened during his presidency.

I am used to this from Crakr, but AJ I expect more from you. What do you guys not get about this?
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Male 3,369
@AJ and CJ: You`re right. you`re wrong about Romney, but you`re right about me. y`all have a good night. I`m gonna find me a binder full of conservative women
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Male 17,511
HG: Since your adding 2008 numbers to Obama`s stats, can I tack on all those jobs lost in 2008 as well?

No, I can`t? Hmmm.
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Male 17,511
HG: [quote]you are saying it is lower than when he took office and the year before he took office it was 1,552,000.[/quote]

BZZZZT! WRONG! I did not say that sir. I said, "Oil production on federally owned lands has in fact declined by 17,000 barrels per day since he took office in 2009."

You`re comparing 2008 numbers and that was before Obama took office. While he has been in office we`ve lost 17,000 barrels per day, simple.
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Male 10,338
HolyGod:

The statement was, the total fell during his term.

It has fallen during his term. I don`t care if he hadn`t gotten around to turning the faucets off yet.
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Male 5,014
Spin spin spin your way to denial. In the public eye Obama won the debate.
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Male 2,711
I just couldn`t help myself with that ridiculous "It fell over, not straight down." claim! But we`ll let junky have the last word on it, since his is just as laughably ludicrous. Moving on.
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Male 9,762
AuburnJunky

"@Holygod: When he took office, it was at 1,731,000. It is now at 1,714,000. That is a decline."

Those aren`t adjusted rates. Those are totals for the year. 1,731,000 was the total for 2009, which was DURING Obama`s presidency right? The year before Obama took office the total was 1,552,000.
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Male 10,338
Hey Chalk: It tilted, before it fell, and it tilted toward the damage.
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Male 17,511
chalket: I thought you were going to stay on topic, but apparently you have to have the last word.
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Male 9,762
Crakr

"HG: How can you not see that 1,714,000 is lower than 1,731,000?"

Absolutely, but 1,731,000 happened UNDER Obama. SO if you want to say 2011 is lower than 2009, by all means. However, you are saying it is lower than when he took office and the year before he took office it was 1,552,000.

How can you not see that 1,714,000 is higher than 1,552,000?
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Male 17,511
jtrebowski: Now you`re just being a troll.

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Male 10,338
[email protected] JT: Just trollin` ya homie.
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Male 3,369
AJ: "Lynching remark = racism."

After seeing the s h i t conservatives have hurled, give me a f u c k i n g break.
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Male 2,711
"It fell over, not straight down." LMAO!
WTC7 collapse
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Male 17,511
markust: They say Obama won the debate, but he lost 5 of the 6 issues polled to Romney.
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Male 3,369
Conservatives: "2007 (Bush): 1,695,000
2008 +(Bush): 1,552,000 = American patriot.



Conservatives: "2009 (OBAMA): 1,731,000 +
2010 (Obama): 1,989,000 +
2011 (Obama): 1,714,000 = "Black Kenyan socialist communist homosexual traitor"



You folks ain`t even real Americans anymore.
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Male 17,511


There ya go AJ. :-)
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Male 17,511
chalket: MIT did a computer model of the damage to building 7 and said it was remarkable that it stood as long as it did. The entire center section had collapsed except for the back wall and pictures have proven that fact.

But you`re right, please stay on topic.
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Male 10,338
Male 10,338
"still no logical explanation for Building 7"

Debris from WTC 1 made it weak. Fires broke it the rest of the way. It fell over, not straight down.
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Male 5,014
AJ, you conveniently left out the CNN screen cap that shows Obama won the debate 46% to Mitt`s 39%. The same poll that is being quoted by news organizations all over the net. It is a pretty clear consensus that Obama won this debate.
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Male 2,711
Actually, CJ, the science IS on the side of the "troofers" (still no logical explanation for Building 7, for example). But, again, that`s for another forum. Let`s stick with the debate for tonight.
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Male 10,338
"tying their own nooses"

Lynching remark = racism.
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Male 10,338

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Male 3,369
I was going to jump into the fray, but the conservatives are tying their own nooses. Have fun, kids!
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Male 2,711
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Male 10,338
@Holygod: When he took office, it was at 1,731,000.

It is now at 1,714,000.

That is a decline.
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Male 17,511
HG: How can you not see that 1,714,000 is lower than 1,731,000?

Seriously, please get your eyes checked if you can`t.
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Male 17,511
chalket: Troofers quote all these numbers of people that don`t believe the official 9/11 report, Yet they don`t quote the tens of thousands of professionals that have proved it to be true.

The sheer weight of numbers is not on your side, neither is the science and investigation evidence.
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Male 9,762
Crakr

"2009 - 1,731,000 barrels per day.
2011 - 1,714,000 barrels per day.
That`s a reduction of 17,000 barrels per day, just as I said."

NO NO NO NO NO.

You said:

"Oil production on federally owned lands has in fact declined by 17,000 barrels per day since he took office in 2009."

How the f.uck does "2009 - 1,731,000 barrels per day." not count FOR Obama? He took office on Jan 20 2009. SO he was president during ALL the production you are stating except 20 days.

Here are the stats from YOUR report you are stating:

2007 (Bush): 1,695,000
2008 (Bush): 1,552,000
2009 (OBAMA): 1,731,000
2010 (Obama): 1,989,000
2011 (Obama): 1,714,000

So are you really so dumb that you can look at that and say oil production on federal land is DOWN under Obama?
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Obama also Lied when he said he made a large investment in clean-coal. What he did was have his Energy dept. kill the Futuregen project and then scale the whole project back and relocate it in a much less favorable area.

It`s likely the Futuregen 2.0 project will never be built now, because of all the new permits and regulatory hoops that need to be hurdled.
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CJ: I don`t wanna get into 9/11 here tonight but let me say just this: It is only "hogwash" to the uneducated or the uninformed. 1700+ trained, experienced architects and engineers don`t think it`s hogwash and have put their careers on the line questioning it. 250+ professional pilots have done the same. 400+ professors and scholars as well. And 300+ 9/11 survivors and family members. And 220+ senior military, intelligence service, law enforcement, and government officials. The "official story" is absolutely, patently impossible.
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Also:

Obama = 3 minute speaking advantage tonight. 5 minute speaking advantage on the first debate.

Hmmmmm. Either he cannot tell time, or the moderators are letting him slide.
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Oil production on federal lands:

2009 - 1,731,000 barrels per day.
2011 - 1,714,000 barrels per day.

That`s a reduction of 17,000 barrels per day, just as I said.
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HG: patchgrabber found it easy enough, so can you.

Your sudden blindness is telling.
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cobra: It took years cobra, they sifted through all of the debris trying to find every bit of those airplanes, victims remains and their belongings.

It was an incredibly difficult task, but I believe all questions have been answered, that possibly can be. As for the 9/11 conspiracy theories, they are utter hogwash.
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Thank you crakr.

Actually forget my last post, I dont want to get in to that one tonight.

I had fun with you guys tonight, but it is 1AM, I rid the forums of a spammer and had good conversation, and just feel accomplished. So, goodnight all.
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crakr

I`m going to go back to ignoring you now because correcting you constantly is a time suck.
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CrakrJak

"You used pre-debate polling after the first debate. Now you claim that tactic to be wrong."

Nope. I don`t go to gallup. That is Markust. I don`t remember saying anything about polls on who won the 1st debate.

"You pivot and give out Oil production numbers"

I didn`t pivot from anything. My original comment was "Romney REPEATEDLY said Obama had lowered drilling on federal land over his term by 14%. Obama REPEATEDLY said he had increased it." At no point was I talking about permits. You brought permits up.

"Then when I show that your numbers are wrong, you suddenly can`t understand the data. "

You stated a biased article which quotes no part of the report that backs up their claim. I offered you an opportunity to tell me which part of the report has the data. Feel free to. I don`t see it anywhere.

I`m going to go back to ignoring you now because correcting you constantly is a t
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Crackr, its actually widely believed that the 9/11 attack was never fully investigated.
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Male 17,511
Nice punt cobra.
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chalket: 9/11 was a different situation, they were still looking for survivors. Also, they did secure all of lower Manhattan as best as possible.

To our knowledge no one from the US government has examined the scene of the Benghazi attack at all.
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Male 7,830
Goodbye forever, "sillys".
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Male 7,830
Woohoo, I was on late enough to catch a spammer on their second post.
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Male 7,830
Crakr, I dont know how they handle these types of investigations, but it seems to me that Presidents have made crappy decisions about the handling of these kinds of investigations for years and years.
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Male 2,711
"Isn`t the first step in any investigation to secure and examine the `crime scene`?"

You mean the way they did on 9/11?
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Wow, Crakr, you are really stretching now dude. Give it up.
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cobrakiller: As far as anyone knows, the FBI hasn`t even examined the scene of the attack, citing `lack of security` that they expect the Libyans to provide. Why can`t we provide the security? Why is it reporters walked in there with very little security and found Chris Stevens diary?

Isn`t the first step in any investigation to secure and examine the `crime scene`?
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@Cobra:

Missile in a window.
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Male 17,511
`act of terror` is not equal to `an act by a terrorist group`. Immediately after that line, Obama berated any denigration of people`s religion, referring to the fake film.
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Auburn, and what do you suppose he do right now? They are still gathering intelligence to figure out who was directly responsible. It`s not like he can just start bombing away in Lybia.
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`Sorry If I reacted too strongly, but I found it really offensive and dismissive.`

No worries. We get much more heated on here because it`s anonymous. We probably wouldn`t act that way if we were in a room together, which is also why things get misinterpreted at times.
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@Prussia:

Bullpoo.

She was leading Obama, and directing the crowd.
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FoolsPrussia: Thank you. Sorry If I reacted too strongly, but I found it really offensive and dismissive.
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Regarding the assertion that Candy Crowley walked back her comments, here is her statement on CNN afterwards:

"Well, I knew that the president had said `acts of terror,` because this had come up before, and also, I heard him that day. What Mitt Romney was going for -- and I think where he tripped himself up -- was he picked that one wrong fact. The president did call it, or refer to it in some way, as an act of terror. And so I felt as though -- and the president kept looking at me going, `you know` -- and I thought, well, I did know then. I said he did call it an act of terror. That`s what caused the applause ... on this side over here, which is clearly the Obama side."
And then I said, `you are correct that they didn`t know for a couple of weeks that it wasn`t related to the tape and there was no riot outside the consulate.` And then that side of the room clapped. I wasn`t getting them to clap. It was meant to bring some kind of clarity to the conversation.&quo
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"so like any good boss he took full credit for his workers failures."

So he has Christopher Stevens` blood on his hands, and has yet to do anything about it, and is also still calling it a spontaneous attack, even though it has been proven to be an Al Qaeda led attack?

That`s a leader we can all count on!
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`So if say you`re employed by the DNC, then that`s `humor`?`

Sure, I certainly wouldn`t take it seriously. Anyway, I didn`t mean it to be offensive, so yes, I apologize. I am sorry.
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HG: You used pre-debate polling after the first debate. Now you claim that tactic to be wrong.

The question Romney asked Obama was about drilling permits, You pivot and give out Oil production numbers. Then when I show that your numbers are wrong, you suddenly can`t understand the data.
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Male 7,830
Crakr, cool you jets. Everyone can see that it was obviously said in humor. You should know that, fore you have kept humor in your comments throughout this debate.
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FoolsPrussia: So if say you`re employed by the DNC, then that`s `humor`?

Sorry, that doesn`t cut it. Making a false accusation, like yours, is often from someone trying to deflect the same accusation from being made about themselves.
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Male 7,830
Bailzar, "Knobama"? I feel that is a putdown, but don`t know how exactly. It looks like you combined the words "Know" or "Knowledge" with Obamas name.
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auburn, it was somebody on Obamas team, so like any good boss he took full credit for his workers failures.
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CrakrJak

"Romney 50%, Obama 46% Among Likely Voters "

Once again, you make me feel like I am going crazy.

1. The poll is of likely voters and has NOTHING to do with who they think won the debate.

2. It was posted BEFORE the debate.

What an excellent thing for you to post in support of your statement "Polling appears to show Romney KO`d Obama."
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Male 1,399
Foreign Policy next week. I hope Romney slaps Knobama around with Crowley`s admission of her mistake. "Even your press are abandoning you. Get a job, punk."
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Male 7,830
Oh sh*t, according to CNN Gangbangers are up.
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`No one pays me for my opinion and your assertion that anyone does is slander sir. `

It`s called humor, so no apology necessary.
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Male 10,338
I`m still trying to figure out who denied the extra security in Libya. I don`t think Obama ever answered that.
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@5Cats: Funny, I don`t hear her changing her tune at all in that video. She said he chose the wrong word, but that he was right "in the main," which is no different from what she said during the debate. I don`t disagree that Obama mishandled the Libya situation.
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Male 7,830
5cats, youre a little late to the game tonight.

Piper, thats pretty funny. Mormons are just like any other christian; they pick and choose which rules to follow anyway.
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Male 2,711
To sum up Romney`s entire campaign:
"Obama is a failure, he failed to enact the terrible policies he promised."
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FoolsPrussia: No one pays me for my opinion and your assertion that anyone does is slander sir.

I await your apology.
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By the way, if you are going to watch cable news, I definitely would go with CNN. I have been switching through MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News. MSNBC are all pro-Obama and Fox is all pro-Romney. The only channel that seems to be giving positives and negatives of both candidates is CNN. They seem to be the most truly informative.
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cobrakiller are you sure?

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HG: I`ll quote Gallup like you did after the first debate.

Romney 50%, Obama 46% Among Likely Voters
Gallup
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@cobrakiller: They`re not allowed to smoke either, but that didn`t stop Mitt from working with Philip Morris to lower cigarette prices, consequently creating more teenage smokers: Link
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@FoolsPrussia: Economy, health care, taxes, deficit = WHAT`S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THESE???
>> Did Obama offer a clear vision for solving the country`s problems?
38% Yes 61% No
It`s 49-50 for Romney, btw.

Candy Crowley Admits Romeny Was Right

And by extension that Obama spent TWO WEEKS telling LIES about it.
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Piper, I dont think Mormons are aloud to watch porn.
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Binders full of women.... hmm what he mean exactly?
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@Cobra: Erin Burnett is smoking hot.
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Male 7,830
In case you arent watching, I caught her name: Erin Burnett.

Sorry for the disruption. Back to your regularly scheduled partisan "Youre Wrong." "No, Youre Wrong" -fest.
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CrakrJak

"Polling appears to show Romney KO`d Obama."

Yes of course. Except for the poll that says "Who won the debate?"

Obama: 46%
Romney: 39%

tinyurl.com/9p25a2x


HELL of a knockout by Romney.
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Male 2,711
CNN: "The CNN/ORC International survey indicates 46% of debate watches say Obama won the debate, while 39% say Romney fared better."

CBS: "President Obama edged Mitt Romney for a win in the second presidential debate Tuesday night, 37 percent of uncommitted voters said in a CBS News instant poll."
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Male 7,830
I dont watch a lot of Cable News, but I have to say the reporter CNN has in Ohio right now is a hottie. I might have to start watching a little more.
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Male 546
Check out Mitt`s son
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Male 7,830
Romney peaked when talking about lowering taxes. Now thats a surprise. Who the hell doesnt want to hear that their taxes will be lower. Too bad its all lies. You cant lower taxes and the deficit at the same time. Especially while raising spending.
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`CBS Poll: Romney wins 65-34 on Economy.
CNN Poll: Romney wins 54-40 on Economy,
Romney wins 49-46 on Health Care,
Romney wins 51-44 on Taxes,
Romney wins 59-36 on Deficit.`

I like how you only cited the numbers that were positive for Romney. Keep on collecting that GOP check, CJ.
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Male 5,014
"Polling appears to show Romney KO`d Obama."

CNN has called it for Obama.
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`Romney made the effort to find qualified women to hire`

While he hired them in his administration, he didn`t do well hiring them as a businessman: Source
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Polling appears to show Romney KO`d Obama.
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CrakrJak
Romney wins 100-00 on Binders full of women.
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@Crakr: That`s cool, but what do those polls say about who won the debate? Oh, that`s right they say Obama won.
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[quote]Candy Crowley has just admitted that Romney was right about the Libya question, retracted her comment that Obama was correct.[/quote]
I`ve been watching CNN and I didn`t see her say that.
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Male 17,511
CBS Poll: Romney wins 65-34 on Economy.
CNN Poll: Romney wins 54-40 on Economy,
Romney wins 49-46 on Health Care,
Romney wins 51-44 on Taxes,
Romney wins 59-36 on Deficit.
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Male 5,164
Binders full of womens?

I have them.
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Male 5,811
I`m still surprised no person took Pizza Hut`s offer of free one pizza a week for 30 years (or $15,000) to ask them "sausage or pepperoni?"
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Male 17,511
Candy Crowley has just admitted that Romney was right about the Libya question, retracted her comment that Obama was correct.
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CrakrJak well if you have binders full of womens is easy to find the right one. XD
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@crakr: Funny how the question was about ensuring equal pay for women and Romney didn`t even answer it save to pledge that he will make it so women can get jobs and be home in time to cook supper. That has nothing to do with equity.
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Wow, CrakrJak is desperate tonight and probably lonely, it`s almost sad.

@patchgrabber, that`s a great one but this is my new favorite now.


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U.S. gas prices are closely tied to global demand and rampant (as in unregulated) speculation raises prices more than any government policies. Historically, increased drilling has NEVER brought down gas prices.

You complain of the high gas prices, but haven`t you noticed that U.S. demand is reduced, crude prices are relatively stable, yet every Big Oil company has been making record profits quarter after quarter? Why aren`t you blaming the one`s who SET the price and who PROFIT from it?
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piperfawn: Romney made the effort to find qualified women to hire. Obama`s administration is even less diverse than GW Bush`s.
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CJ forget about oil topic for a second,what about binders full of womans? XD
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@el_chinche: I like this one better:

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patchgrabber

"@HG: cns does have a link to the actual report"

Yes sir. I read the report. However the report does NOT say what CNS says it does, at least that i can find. Plus CNS sites 1 direct quote from the report that DOES NOT say what they purport the report says.
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CrakrJakare you aware that oil price is grown all over the world?
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CrakrJak

"HG: the figures are all there, all you have to do is LQQK. But that fact doesn`t fit your ideology, so you`re going to deny it."

Cool. I have the PDF saved on my desktop. I read it. I`m sure you`ve read it. So tell me which page and paragraph it says oil production on federally owned lands has in fact declined by 17,000 barrels per day since he took office in 2009.
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chalket: Yet, because of Obama`s policies, we have fewer operational oil refineries, no keystone xl pipeline, and much higher gasoline prices than when Obama took office.
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Thanks! :-D In honor of Romney`s performance!
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Haha, nice profile pic chalket.
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@Crakr: Ah, yes you are correct in that. See? That`s someone admitting wrong, might want to try it sometime. It`s also where you`re getting your 17,000 barrels/day number. However, 17,000 barrels/day isn`t 14%, so Romney is still cherry-picking.
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Why are you all wasting so much time nit-picking over domestic oil production? It is verifiable FACT that under Obama domestic oil drilling hit a record high, American oil production hit an eight-year high, domestic demand is at its lowest point in 17 years, and America now stands as a net exporter of petroleum products.
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El_Chinche: It`s obvious you don`t look very hard.

I`ve made several humorous comments on IAB today.
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Since when did you have a sense of humor CrakrJak? Your sense humor must be more shriveled up than the Grinch`s heart before the residents of whoville taught him the meaning of christmas.

Seriously I`ve never read a comment from you that wasn`t angry and bitter, then again most of your comments are arguments with one or more people so I guess that might have something to do with it.
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patchgrabber: Oil production is still under 2009 levels on federal land and only `slightly above` the levels in 2007.
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Male 7,830
Sorry Crakr, I saw an opening and had to take it. I would have hit anyone with that, no matter what side of the argument.
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@HG: cns does have a link to the actual report here.
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Male 7,830
"I refuse to loose my sense of humor even during a debate."

We can tell this just by reading your arguments.
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Male 2,711
Crakr: from Obama`s Rose Garden address: ""No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation"
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HG: the figures are all there, all you have to do is LQQK. But that fact doesn`t fit your ideology, so you`re going to deny it.
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@crakr: It was definitely cut in 2011, but again your CRS report states that for 2008 federal oil was 31% of total, then up to 32% in 2009, 36% in 2010, then down to 31% in 2011. Romney`s 14% comment was the amount of barrels per day from 2010-2011. He`s cherry-picking, plain and simple. Fact is it`s no worse than when he took office, and there`s actually more barrels per day at 2011 then when he took office. So that means there`s been more oil on federal land under Obama overall.
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CrakrJak

"HG: Oil production on federally owned lands has in fact declined by 17,000 barrels per day since he took office in 2009. Congressional Research Service (CRS) report March, 2012"

Ughhhh.

The ONLY source for that I can find is cns news. That is a ridiculously biased source. The name comes from CONSERVATIVE NEWS SERVICE.

They source that report, yet their ONLY quote from the report was: "“Oil production has fluctuated on both federal and non-federal lands over the past five years,” the report said. “About 96 percent of the increase took place on non-federal lands, but the overall federal share of total U.S. production fell only by about two percentage points over the 2007-2011 timeframe.”

Which of course said NOTHING that they are supposedly referring to.

I read the report. Then I did a document search for "17,000" which appears NOWHERE in the document.

Good reference
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Thanks Davy, I refuse to loose my sense of humor even during a debate. :-)
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[quote]He lied and should`ve admitted it, instead now he`s trying to pull some sort of jedi mind trick and fool people.

Sorry, but this isn`t the president we are looking for.[/quote]
Aha, I see what you did there. I like it.
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chalket: What`s offensive is that Obama lied about it for two weeks, to the American public. Then again lie again tonight and say, "I said it was an act of terror", the day afterwards.

Obama sent the UN ambassador out to foist the lie, the cover story, of it being a riot over a fake video for a week.

He lied and should`ve admitted it, instead now he`s trying to pull some sort of jedi mind trick and fool people.

Sorry, but this isn`t the president we are looking for.
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Male 7,830
There were so many times I was going to comment on different things each candidate said, but reading all of your comments is so much better.

Crakr, you are a lonely man tonight. But, I wont say anything against you because you seem to already be getting your ass kicked.
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Male 12,138
I said after the first debate that I thought Mitt Romney came out stronger. This one, I`m giving to Obama.
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patchgrabber: Production is indeed down on federal lands since Obama took office in 2009.

2007 and 2008 were GW Bush`s years.

Obama cut offshore and federal production after the BP oil spill, that`s an indisputable fact.
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Crakr: We all agree it was a tragedy. We all agree it shouldn`t have happened. But Romney trying to score political points the very day while it was still happening was unbelievably crass and tacky. And you trying to hold Obama personally responsible is pretty offensive as well.
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@crakr: your own CRS report states that "Overall, oil production on federal lands is up slightly in 2011 when compared to 2007."

So it`s down for one year but up from 5 years ago.
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Male 546
Best out come of the debates? This vvv

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chalket: When Ambassadors ask for more security they should get it, period. Just how high this decision goes is a mystery. Hillary now says it`s her fault, then Obama said tonight he`s to blame (but not really).

What we do know is that Chris Stevens is dead and we haven`t lost an ambassador since Jimmy Carter.
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Male 546
Let`s get down to the nitty gritty, who do you think won?
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Male 3,445
Sometimes I WISH Obama were the president Crakrjak says he is. That would be awesome.
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Politifact noted the following about drilling on federal lands: "From 2004-08, well into Bush’s tenure, oil production on federal lands and waters fell in four of five years, for a net decrease of 16.8%. From 2009-11, the Obama years, oil production rose two of three years, for a net increase of 10.6%."
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While total domestic oil production is up by 230,000 barrels per day since Obama took office in 2009, none of that increase has come from federal lands, CRS reports. In fact, production is down sharply on federal lands since the BP oil spill in 2010
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HG: Oil production on federally owned lands has in fact declined by 17,000 barrels per day since he took office in 2009. Congressional Research Service (CRS) report March, 2012
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@HG: Ha! I`m so glad you said it first. For the better part of a year, whenever I see the `abide` face, I have just skipped the comment.
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Male 2,711
If indeed there was an evolving cover story (which I do not believe) it happened AFTER the attack, after the tragic deaths and the amount and type of security at bases or embassies is NOT something the President personally decides or oversees.
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HG: This is not a recovery, it`s just a WRECK. GDP hasn`t even kept up with inflation. This is supposed to be `improvement`? At this rate, Obama still won`t meet his promises in another 4 years.
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Crakr: Who needs more lease permits? The oil companies are sitting idle on 72% of their leases, they don`t need more. In anticipation of your "Why would anyone do that?" there are 2 main reasons. 1) They consider it money in the bank, to use when oil gets scarcer and prices are higher. 2) To keep their competitors from getting them.
DOI Finds 72 Percent ‘Idle’
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CrakrJak

"Oil sales has nothing to do with the number of permits given. Nice try but that`s a swing and a miss sir."

Goddamn. You`re so infuriatingly dumb I have to break my own rule for a moment.

Here is the video: tinyurl.com/9bh72lz

Skip to 1:30. Then S.T.F.U.

The "14%" I was referring to had nothing to do with permits.

Romney: : "Production of oil on government land is down 14%"
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Male 5,164
CrakrJak Obama have clearly answered about the question of oil permits, maybe you have missed that part.
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chalket: The evidence is that Libya told the Obama administration that the attack came from a terrorist group 24hrs. after it happened.

What `evolved` is Obama`s cover story, This was a complete failure of his foreign policy and it ended up killing a great ambassador.
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chalket

I would recommend not talking to crakr. Ever since I have made that decision my time on here has been much more enjoyable.

"Every economic indicator is improved"

You can list a whole bunch of facts. They don`t matter. It is way past frustrating. Don`t waste your time.
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HG: Oil sales has nothing to do with the number of permits given. Nice try but that`s a swing and a miss sir.
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Male 2,711
"record of success"?
Success at making himself exceedingly wealthy regardless of how many families he had to throw under the bus to do it. Yeah, that sounds very presidential.
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Male 5,014
"If you aren`t watching FOX News PUT IT ON NOW. They are trying SO hard to try to find something to say that makes Obama look bad."

I was tempted to go on Fox when this ended and watch the cons on here parrot the talking points but it`s just not worth it having to watch cable news.
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Crakr, change the tape, you`re wearing out all your old lies. "disastrous 4 years"?? Every economic indicator is improved. Stevens did ask for more security, but for TRIPOLI not Benghazi. Obama didn`t lie about it. The story from the White House evolved as the evidence came in, the original supposition was a protest, since there had been much violence for days prior due to that damned video. Biden didn`t lie about it either, as the request for more security had not yet risen to the level of the White House by that time. You got nothing, dude. Nothing but sour grapes.
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Intrade, Obama up 2.9% Romney down 4.8%. Telling you Crakr, if you`re so sure Romney is a shoe in, now is the time to put your money down.
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Male 9,762
Hahahaha.

If you aren`t watching FOX News PUT IT ON NOW.

They are trying SO hard to try to find something to say that makes Obama look bad.
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defendors87

"holy, where are those facts?"

At the time I posted that they were going back and forth about oil on federal land. Romney REPEATEDLY said Obama had lowered drilling on federal land over his term by 14%. Obama REPEATEDLY said he had increased it.

According to politifact:

Percentage change from prior year crude oil sales from federal lands.
2009: 11.7%
2010: 14.9%
2011: -13.8%

ALL 3 years were higher than ANY of the previous 3 years.

So Obama was ABSOLUTELY right and Romney was ABSOLUTELY wrong.
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Male 771
Romney can`t give a straight answer to any questions. It`s like they go in one ear and out the other.
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Male 570
all in all it was a much better debate than the last one. I like it when both candidates are awake and present.
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Male 1,084
honey boo boo juice... wtf
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Male 17,511
Obama asking for another 4 years after an already disastrous 4 years. Doubling down on failure is not the way to go.

Romney has a record of Success.
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Male 3,445
Way more interesting debate than the first one.
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Male 17,511
FoolsPrussia: The State Dept. has discretion on where to put that security, not congress. Why pull out security in a dangerous place like Libya 2 weeks before 9/11?

That was complete stupidity, especially when there were warnings from the Libyan government and an Ambassador pleading for more security.
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Male 1,084
Whats wrong with currency manipulation. Just print a bunch of USD and pay back China the money you owe before the world finds out you printed it. Then the USD will plummet and then you`ll get your manufacturing jobs back. Because you pay your employees with dirt. Whats wrong with that?
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Male 5,164
Lol and Romney is against China...hahaha! He lose just before to start. What he want do against China? He want to close Apples factories there maybe? Or any other american factory in that country? Keep it real old fox, you can`t do anything against China for a simple reason, the world need slaves ,especialy your economy. Hmm maybe he suggest to adopt the workers wages of chinese people in your country, probably.
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Male 620
"Mine isn`t as big as yours" - Barack Obama
Even better quote
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Male 3,445
`"Trickle down government doesn`t work here and it doesn`t work anywhere" - Mitt Romney.`

And when did Trickle Down Economics ever work?
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Male 3,445
`The Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens asked for more security and it was ignored. He feared for his safety and let the State Dept. know of his concern.`

I said both sides share the blame. Why can`t you?
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Male 17,511
Obama wants lower corporate taxes now? Really?

Now who`s flip-flopping?
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Male 17,511
"Trickle down government doesn`t work here and it doesn`t work anywhere" - Mitt Romney.

Great Quote.
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Male 570
holy, where are those facts?
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Male 17,511
FoolsPrussia: The Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens asked for more security and it was ignored. He feared for his safety and let the State Dept. know of his concern.
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Male 1,084
I think this can be the a great misquote "What we need more of, Candy" - Mitt Romney
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Male 5,164
CrakrJak like when Bush lie and milions die?
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Male 3,445
@Crakrjak: Both sides messed up on the Benghazi attack. Congressional Republicans voted to cut funding for embassy security.
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Male 9,762
This is so much fun.

"read the transcript"

Hahahahaha.
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Male 17,511
Obama is lying about the Benghazi attack, They withdrew security there and it cost an ambassador`s life. They tried to cover it up as a `riot` over a film. Rioters don`t bring mortars, rioters don`t bring heavy machine guns.

Again Obama lies and somebody dies.
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Male 5,164
Whoo hoo Romney KO now! Hitted by the punch he trow.
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Male 2,344
Romney is acting like a child in this debate that isn`t getting his way...lack of class.

Obama is working him over hard though.
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Male 5,164
And Romney shows is cards now...he want more war! More money on the great military expenses circus, here we go again.
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Male 5,164
Anyway who the hell have chose the pubblic? Obama is the only black man in all the room. Is this pubblic not supposed to represent your population?
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Male 5,811
Romney doesn`t really seem to want to listen to the mod at all.
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Male 5,164
In any case i don`t like how Mit Romney talk about the faults of the contender instead to talk about what he want to do. Is not a "positive" way of thinking, is just a subtle and coward way to hit the enemy on the wounds but dont tell us nothing about who you are or what you are in will to do. He continue to say i want this i want that, i want the moon in the pit and so on but not how and whit what money he intend to do it.
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Female 1,743
@piper


This is USA. We like to placing blame and being outraged. We`re a nation of outraged folks.
It`s a talent. ;)
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Male 1,084
@defendors87 your exactly write, if you get years and years of bad grades you cant just start getting good grades because you have to learn the previous years topics before learning the current topics. Unless your education system isn`t continuous in which case you really shouldn`t have it then.
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Male 5,164
Belive me after the wretched yeard of Berlusconi government in my country i recognize the face of a liar. And Mit Romney impersonate it perfectly.
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Male 5,164
defendors87 hmm trilions and trilions of dollars of debts can`t just be erased in four years nor even in 50 years, you know why? Cause debt is not static, he continuosly generate interests. Is like a cancer. Mit Romney promise to solve this situation but don`t even explain how, he is like a snake charmer. He promise to cut taxes all around but don`t say how this can affect your debt.
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Male 5,811
Well at least Obama is giving specifics instead of just regurgitating his "5-point plan" nonsense. Romney can`t even conceive of his budget not balancing because "it will."

I also thought it was nice of Obama to present Mitt`s own talking points as a poor investment.
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Male 570
piper, that`s just another excuse. That`s like saying you`ve made bad grades for three years of high school so you have to make make bad grades in your last year as well.
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Male 1,084
lol pay equality for women? women aren`t flexible enough..
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Male 5,164
defendors87 last four years your country have to pay for the previous 20 years of wars done by your country.
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Male 570
geez... Obama sure talks about the country`s "problems" like someone else has been perpetuating them for the last four years.
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Female 2,674
Why cant Romney let the mod speak without trying to interrupt? Soooooo rude and it`s annoying the crap outta me.
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Male 1,084
lol smart, get rid of capital gains tax and taxes on savings interest for <200k$ families a year . Because people in this economy have savings...
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Female 1,743
Eugh.
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Male 5,164
External view from an european... just personal feelings . Mit Romney seem to me an old fox, the kind of people that can hypnotize you promising you lot of beautifull things but not sayng you how he want to reach the results and what are the consequences.
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Male 9,762
I`m fact-checking as we go. This is fun.

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Male 20,909
Link: Obama Vs Mitt: 2012 Prez Debate 2 [IT`S ON!] [Rate Link] - Let`s hear your play-by-play analysis, I-A-B.
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