Obama Vs Mitt: 2012 Presidential Debate Post-Game

Submitted by: fancylad 5 years ago in

OK, I-A-B... the debate"s over. Pretty much everyone"s calling this for Romney. Your take? It"s gonna be a good battle.
There are 242 comments:
Male 10,084
CrakrJak

"That means Reagan had 70 months of unemployment over 10% in REAL unemployment numbers. So CLEARLY Obama didn`t have more unemployment above 8% than all other presidents combined right? I`m just trying to follow. Well looky there a comparison, a comparison adding 3% to Reagan and nothing to Obama."

I feel like I`m going insane. I didn`t say what Obama`s number`s were in that quote. All I did was turn Reagan`s numbers into your "real" numbers thereby giving him 70 months of unemployment above 8%. Which is more months than Obama would have over 8%. I never said what Obama`s "real" numbers would be. However, IT DOESN`T MATTER. Even if Obama`s "real" number is 90% unemployment he STILL wouldn`t have "more months above 8%" than Reagan because he hasn`t been in office 70 months.

Do you get it now?
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Male 17,511
HG: You asked for it, bud.

[quote]That means Reagan had 70 months of unemployment over 10% in REAL unemployment numbers.

So CLEARLY Obama didn`t have more unemployment above 8% than all other presidents combined right? I`m just trying to follow.[/quote]

Well looky there a comparison, a comparison adding 3% to Reagan and nothing to Obama.

Sorry, you`re wrong, just admit it bud.
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Male 10,084
CrakrJak

"Oh but YES YES You did, then compared that with the 10% unemployment I said Reagan inherited and then said Obama was better."

Ughhhh. No I didn`t. You can say it all you want. It doesn`t make it true. If you are so sure I said it quote me. Go ahead. I don`t delete my posts.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a child. I don`t agree with AJ, but we were able to have a back and forth debate based on facts. For whatever reason that is impossible with you. I have to spend my time repeating myself and defending myself against accusations you make that simply aren`t true.

This is a fact, although I`m sure you will find SOME way to spin it:

Unemployment today is lower than when Obama took office. At this point in Reagan`s first term unemployment was the same as when he took office.
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Male 5,185
"Now, are we going to continue to go down this road or should we go back to the way it was and simply have adult conversations? It`s your call, I`m game for either."

I would rather we just not talk to each other. I should not have responded to you in the first place.
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Male 2,357
[quote]Suck on it hater.[/quote]
So... you don`t think that this was an "angry" statement and that I am just reading anger into it. Yes, I see how you came to that conclusion...

Tell yourself what you need to I guess.
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Male 5,185
"What is it about you libs that makes you perpetually angry?"

The people making this generalized statement are the ones that read anger into the statements, so the anger is really coming from within. But in this case I am cranky from a lack of sleep. I`m going to try to go back to bed.
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Male 2,357
You know, based on our previous discussions and your understanding of the term "flip-flopper", I could accuse you of being the same right here.

Before, you were trying to use the current unemployment rate as evidence that AJ was wrong; I showed you that the stats are meaningless as an attempt to dismiss AJ`s comment because they occurred after 3 years.

Now, you changed your attack to be "well he never said that so there". What was the phrase you used for this...? Oh yes, that`s right. You`re being a shape-shifter.

Now, are we going to continue to go down this road or should we go back to the way it was and simply have adult conversations? It`s your call, I`m game for either.
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Male 2,357
"Obama actually never said the quote that so many conservatives believe... just saying."

I never said he did. Follow the logic below and you`ll see that I was being facetious (hence my light manner).

What is it about you libs that makes you perpetually angry?
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Male 5,185
"Hahaha... just saying."

Obama actually never said the quote that so many conservatives believe... just saying.
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Male 3,667
Unemployment is such a sketchy statistic.

Those who are full time students, active military, or those who are not collecting benefits are all not counted towards the unemployment rate, or even the employment rate.

So even though I`m a full time student with a part time job and I pay taxes, I don`t count towards either group.
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Male 2,357
Hahaha... just saying.
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Male 5,185
Suck on it hater.
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Male 2,357
"The jobless rate fell to 7.8% today. Suck on that haters."

It`s been more than 3 years...
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Male 5,185
"Obama promised to have it BELOW 8% WITHIN 3 YEARS OR HE WILL NOT RUN AGAIN!"

The jobless rate fell to 7.8% today. Suck on that haters.
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Male 17,511
AJ: Good links man. :-)
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Male 17,511
HG: Oh but YES YES You did, then compared that with the 10% unemployment I said Reagan inherited and then said Obama was better.

You can attempt to backtrack it all you want, but you did compare apples and oranges there sir.

Also Obama did say that if he couldn`t get the unemployment situation fixed he`d be a "one term proposition".

Lower by what 0.2%? It`s still over 8% and no president since FDR has been reelected with that high of an unemployment rate.
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Male 10,338
Yeah, let me clarify...

Member of the workforce, with no job.

Housewives, retirees, and disability doesn`t count.

The current system does not count people who have not drawn unemployment for 4 weeks. That means, if their unemployment runs out, they no longer count, even though they are still members of the workforce.

It`s not an accurate number.
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Male 10,084
AuburnJunky

"The "true unemployment rate" is very simple to find. The total number of people who are not working, subtracted from the total number of people able to work"

So does that mean that by this method full time students without jobs, early retirees, and stay at home moms are counted as unemployed people? There are PLENTY of people who CHOOSE not to work for various reasons. They certainly shouldn`t be counted as unemployed in the same way as people who want a job.
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Male 10,338
Also, look at my link. They only count unemployed as people who have actually looked for a job in the past 4 weeks.

Unemployed should mean, no job.
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Male 10,338
@Holygod:

If you take bodies out of the workforce, you can make the % smaller without adding any meaningful jobs.
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Male 10,084
AuburnJunky

"They counted under-employed people back then, they do not now. They also do not count people who no longer qualify for unemployment, but have still not found a job. They did during Reagan`s time."

I have not heard that before. I will have to look into it myself. That certainly would make a difference.

However, that doesn`t change anything about the main comparison that Obama has gotten unemployment LOWER than when took office when Reagan did not in the same time frame.
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Male 10,338
The comparison you did, while numerically true, is factually false.

They counted under-employed people back then, they do not now. They also do not count people who no longer qualify for unemployment, but have still not found a job. They did during Reagan`s time. They stopped counting unemployment in this manner whole Clinton was in office. Why? I dunno.

ANYWAY....

Some say that if you factor in people who have given up searching, and are no longer counted as part of the workforce, although they are able to work, unemployment is somewhere in the neighborhood of 16%. Some even say 25% or more.
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Male 10,084
AuburnJunky

No need to apologize. We all make mistakes. There is so much hyperbole out there and it gets passed around so much it becomes "true".

That video says if he doesn`t turn the economy around in 3 years he shouldn`t get re-elected. I would argue he has, you probably think he hasn`t.

I`d really like a response to my other comment though, particularly where I contrast Reagan and Obama.
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Male 10,338
drat! I did didn`t I?!

Bock Bock! Polly want a cracker!

Sorry. *runs and hides*
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Male 10,084
AuburnJunkey

"Obama promised to have it BELOW 8% WITHIN 3 YEARS OR HE WILL NOT RUN AGAIN!"

Wait. Didn`t you say this once and then when I asked for a link to prove it you admitted you were mistaken and he never actually said that?

If not, please send a link. I can find no evidence that he ever said this.
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Male 10,084
auburnjunky

"Here`s the rub. Reagan promised to lower unemployment. He did so, slowly. It was finally down to around 5% by the time he left office."

No. NO. NOOOO. Here is the rub, facts:
Reagan took office Jan 1981 with unemployment at 7.5%
It remained stagnant for 9 months. It was 7.6% Sep 1981
Then it went up for the next 15 months. It was 10.8% Dec 1982
Then it went down for 20 months until it got to where it was when he took office. It was 7.5% Aug 1984.

Reagan
1st Month in office, Feb 1981: 7.5% unemployment
August of second term election year, Aug 1984: 7.5%

Obama
1st Month in office, Feb 2009: 8.3% unemployment
August of second term election year, Aug 2012: 8.1%

So unemployment today is LOWER than when Obama took office. At this point in Reagan`s 1st term unemployment was the same as when he took office.

These are the facts. Enter the years for yourself
Source: tinyurl.com/3gss
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Male 10,338
HolyGod:

Here`s the rub. Reagan promised to lower unemployment. He did so, slowly. It was finally down to around 5% by the time he left office.

Obama promised to have it BELOW 8% WITHIN 3 YEARS OR HE WILL NOT RUN AGAIN!

See the difference?
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Male 10,084
CrakrJak

""Reagan inherited from Carter"

Unemployment under Reagan didn`t start going up until 9 months into his presidency. Kinda hard to put that on Carter. Unemployment was going up when Obama took office and started going up several months beforehand.

Also, the day Carter took office unemployment was 7.5%. The day he left office it was 7.5%. It remained pretty stagnant his entire presidency, never getting above 7.8%. How are you blaming him for anything?
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Male 10,084
CrakrJak

"You just quoted 8% did you not?"

No. NO. NO I DID NOT.

All I said was "So CLEARLY Obama didn`t have more unemployment above 8%". Give him the extra, that is fine. Hell, make unemployment 50% under Obama that doesn`t change the fact that your statement that Obama has had unemployment over 8% more months than any other president is wrong, at least according to your own rules.

Do you get it now? 8% is your magic number. Not mine. That is the barometer we have used. Probably because it is the one that makes Obama look the worst. If you say who had more months of unemployment over 10% than the answer is Reagan. (Bureau numbers, not your adjusted numbers)
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Male 10,338
"A great debate by Romney (Appearance and attitude not substance) barely beat a mediocre performance by Obama."

It is common consensus, Markust, that Romney PUMMELED Obama in the first debate. The Huffington Post AND MSNBC concur.

I personally think the last debate will be the most telling, but the first one was insane!
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Male 17,511
HG: [quote]I NEVER claimed the lower number for Obama.[/quote]

You just quoted 8% did you not? So why not apply the same 3% extra to Obama that Reagan inherited from Carter?

You don`t get the point sir, you`re trying to equate Obama to Reagan. Sorry but Reagan was head and shoulders above Obama as a president.
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Male 10,084
CrakrJak

"Now you`re claiming the lower number for Obama and the higher number for Reagan. Way to go, you just went full retard, congratulations."

I NEVER claimed the lower number for Obama. Obviously you apply the same logic. But that still means that, by your numbers, Reagan had more months of unemployment over 8% than Obama. Right?

"If we added the 3% that quit looking for work, that would be 43 months of unemployment above 11%."

So you need to change your sign that you posted to say Obama has had more unemployment above 11% than all other presidents since Truman. Because by your reasoning he absolutely has not had more unemployment above 8%.

Do you really not get my point? I`m simply saying that the bureaus of labor stats were correct when you wanted to bash Obama, but not when you wanted to praise Reagan.
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Male 17,511
HG: You have twisted that up beyond all reason.

Now you`re claiming the lower number for Obama and the higher number for Reagan. Way to go, you just went full retard, congratulations.

Obama still has more unemployment above 8% than all the presidents since Truman combined. If we added the 3% that quit looking for work, that would be 43 months of unemployment above 11%.
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Male 10,084
CrakrJak.

"It doesn`t work that way and you know it"

I agree with everything you said. Absolutely. But it doesn`t apply.

Reagan took office Jan 1981 when unemployment was 7.5%. You say it was REALLY over 10%. OK. Fine. I`ll agree with you for the sake of argument. Unemployment over 7% is really unemployment over 10%.

Unemployment didn`t get below 7% until nov 1986. So by your rationale it was REALLY over 10% the whole time right? That means Reagan had 70 months of unemployment over 10% in REAL unemployment numbers.

So CLEARLY Obama didn`t have more unemployment above 8% than all other presidents combined right? I`m just trying to follow.
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Male 17,511
HG: It doesn`t work that way and you know it. 4% is considered "Full Employment". The closer unemployment gets to 4% the lower the other percentages get as well, the people that quit looking for work lowers below 3% when unemployment is low, it also rises when unemployment is high.

I`d love to teach you more about statistical and quantitative analysis but I`m not a professor nor do I want to be.
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Male 5,185
"Markust, go to bed. It`s time for the adults to talk about things."

Ah, an insult. Not a very good one but an insult. The sure sign that I was on to something.
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Male 10,084
CrakrJak

"Because actual unemployment was higher then."

Well then actual unemployment is always higher. Remember when you posted a picture that indicated that Obama had more months of unemployment over 8% than all other presidents? However, your chart was based off bureau of labor statistics. So when it proves your point their stats are correct, but when it makes you look wrong their stats aren`t accurate? Going by your rationale where 7% unemployment REALLY means 10% unemployment, then REAL unemployment was over 8% for Reagan`s entire 8 year presidency. So pick which time you were wrong.

Even if I say OK, you are right, we can`t trust the numbers that doesn`t change the second one. You said their was a drop in unemployment when Reagan was elected because "the market reacts to good news". There was NO CHANGE whatsoever. There is no way for you to spin that and you still can`t admit you were wrong.

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Male 2,703
Markust, go to bed. It`s time for the adults to talk about things.
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Male 5,185
A great debate by Romney (Appearance and attitude not substance) barely beat a mediocre performance by Obama. That doesn`t say a lot for Romney.
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Male 17,511
HG: Because actual unemployment was higher then. Just as now, the Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn`t count people that have quit looking for work and they don`t count those people working part-time that want to be working full-time (the underemployed).

I told you that before, but you won`t listen. This is where living experience trumps bare numbers. Numbers alone do not give the full picture in the context of history.

The unemployment rate figures for the Great Depression were calculated to be only 22%, but people that lived during that time will tell you there were over 33% of them unemployed. I wouldn`t dare to begin to contradict those senior citizens experience vs. the raw numbers.
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Male 2,357
[quote]My friends say he is un- electable because he is third party.[/quote]
I really like Gary Johnson, but I don`t think he can win right now. I was actually going to vote for Romney based soley on that fact. However, I`ve recently learned/considered some potential positives of voting for Gary Johnson that have made me reconsider.

For instance, I believe that if he gets 5% of the popular vote, then the libertarian party will get matching federal funds next year. In addition, it would likely further the current expansion of libertarian concepts and ideals.

With that in mind, I have enough `pros` to really consider putting my vote there; it`s no longer simply `throwing your vote away`.
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Male 1,586
I`m with Cajun and birdawg. I`m going Gary Johnson 2012.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Thought i might be the only one.[/quote]

Welcome to the club. Course some people here actually want to vote for Jill Stein (yeep). But hey if it actually rattles the big two parties to the core, I`d say what the hell go for it.
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Male 133
I agree Gary Johnson 2012. Thought i might be the only one. My friends say he is un- electable because he is third party. I say that is what is wrong with our current political system. The redumds and demdumbs got every one thinking that, and so they sit back and gloat as they rake in the cash. That is all they are about.
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Male 10,855
Doesn`t matter if Romney wins anyway, he`ll expand on the evils of the Obama admin just like Obama did with Bush`s.

The real choices are:
Obamney
Jill Stein
Gary Johnson

Of course some other 3rd party candidates.

Gary Johnson 2012.
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Male 10,855
Ah madest you`re my favorite hard left liberal clown.
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Male 10,084
CrakrJak

" Your lame attempts to twist things around aren`t proof of anything."

You said Reagan inherited 10% unemployment. I sent you a link to the statistics that show that is completely false.

You said unemployment went down when Reagan was elected. I sent you a link to the statistics that show that is completely false.

How is that TWISTING things?
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Male 17,511
HG: You`ve just been annoying. Your lame attempts to twist things around aren`t proof of anything. In fact I`ve even caught you not even reading the links you`ve provided, because the actual content had contradicted the point you were trying to make.
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Male 10,084
CrakrJak

"Welcome to the club of IABers (AJ, 5cats, OldOllie, Myself and others) that`ve proven madest wrong and can`t get him to admit it."

Annoying huh? Bit of the pot calling the kettle black though.

I have proven you wrong with provable, objective, verifiable numbers and your reaction was: well I remember seeing something different about it 30 years ago.
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Male 17,511
HumanAction: [quote]@madest: Ah, once again I`ve proven you wrong and you desperately attempt to lead us down another road.[/quote]

Welcome to the club of IABers (AJ, 5cats, OldOllie, Myself and others) that`ve proven madest wrong and can`t get him to admit it.
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Male 10,084
5Cats

"He`s completely unaccustomed to "jet travel" and all that... PBBT! LOLZ! HAHAHAHHAAAA!"

Dude. Come on. Sometimes you surprise me.

This has NOTHING to do with flying jacka.ss. Gore is talking about the elevation of being in Denver where the air is thinner and the effects it has on your body. I can attest to that first hand.

To quote you, PBBT! LOLZ! HAHAHAHHAAAA!
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Male 17,511
markust: The poll I quoted was from Politico, which is hardly right-wing.

National `12 President General Election
Barack Obama 47%
Mitt Romney 47%
United Technologies/National Journal
09/27/2012-09/30/2012
1005 likely voters
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Male 41,079
@HolyGod: Hitting F5 or refresh often re-posts your last one, eh? It`s an IAB weirdness.

"This just in...Al Gore blames Obama`s loss on the high altitude."

AlGore`s totally right! Obama has been in Washington DC working his butt off for FOUR YEARS! NOT flying all over the USA on AirForceOne to do fundraising, or play golf!!
He`s completely unaccustomed to "jet travel" and all that... PBBT! LOLZ! HAHAHAHHAAAA!
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Male 10,084
MeGrendel

"AARP is begging Obama `PLEASE DON`T MENTION US AGAIN!!`."

Well of course. They don`t want to be seen as taking sides. They also know that a majority of their membership probably supports Romney. That doesn`t change the fact that what Obama said WAS true. AARP has endorsed Obamacare.

There are plenty of legitimate mistakes and errors to point out. No reason to bring up fake ones.
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Male 10,084
MeGrendel

"AARP is begging Obama `PLEASE DON`T MENTION US AGAIN!!`."

Well of course. They don`t want to be seen as taking sides. They also know that a majority of their membership probably supports Romney. That doesn`t change the fact that what Obama said WAS true. AARP has endorsed Obamacare.

There are plenty of legitimate mistakes and errors to point out. No reason to bring up fake ones.
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Male 10,084
DromEd and Markust

"This just in...Al Gore blames Obama`s loss on the high altitude."

I KNOW this sounds ridiculous guys. But there is some truth to it. I freelance frequently in Denver and EVERY time I go there I am WASTED. I wake up tired. I am tired all day. It f.ucks me up. After a few days I feel normal. That really is a legitimate comment as to why Obama may have looked so lethargic.

There is plenty of science out there about the effects of altitude on the body.

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Male 8,685
Let`s see, so far the Liberal excuses boil down to:
"The air was too thin" (I agree, the air between Obama`s ears).
"John Kerry was a bad debate coach."
"The moderator was intept/biased/an alien."
"That wasn`t Mitt Romney on stage last night." (actual claim by Obama)
"Obama was menstrating."
"I`m rubber, you`re glue..etc."
"It was Bush`s Fault."

David Axelrod is begging the media to make points that Obama `meant to` have made.

AARP is begging Obama `PLEASE DON`T MENTION US AGAIN!!`.
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Male 10,084
DromEd and Markust

"This just in...Al Gore blames Obama`s loss on the high altitude."

I KNOW this sounds ridiculous guys. But there is some truth to it. I freelance frequently in Denver and EVERY time I go there I am WASTED. I wake up tired. I am tired all day. It f.ucks me up. After a few days I feel normal. That really is a legitimate comment as to why Obama may have looked so lethargic.

There is plenty of science out there about the effects of altitude on the body.

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Male 2,357
@madest: Ah, once again I`ve proven you wrong and you desperately attempt to lead us down another road. In my post, I said absolutely nothing regarding who was responsible for Ron Paul failing to become a candidate. You sir, are changing topics. All I said was that both parties demonized him.

When you challenged that, I provided evidence (including 5 ridiculous attacks from Brad Woodhouse, DNC Communications Director). This is clearly evidence that some of the Democratic party demonized Ron Paul.

I`ll be honest here - I`ve never considered you to be particularly bright. However, even you must be capable of seeing that you are wrong. My friend, willful ignorance is the same as idiocy.
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Male 7,378
HA, you`re making unattributed accusations to twist reality. RP was done in by his own party. They didn`t like him because he was drawing votes away from their master plan named Mitt Romney. What possible effect could any democrat have on the primary process of the republicans? It`s gotta really stink to walk around with your head up your ass all day.
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Male 2,357
*Here are

I was going to only post one quote from them but they had a couple good ones...
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Male 2,357
@madest: OK, since you really want to be proven wrong...

Here is some quotes from the Democratic Governors Association for starters:

“Ron Paul’s dangerous ideas are too extreme for America”
“Paul called Social Security and Medicare ‘unconstitutional,’ even comparing these vital programs to slavery! And Paul has said that if elected President he would dismantle much of the federal government, including the public school system and Social Security.”

Here`s a fun post on Democrats.org

Should I keep going or are you ready to admit you were wrong?
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Male 5,185
"This just in...Al Gore blames Obama`s loss on the high altitude."

Going from 390` to 5,280` is pretty extreme to adjust to but come on Al, Really? Loser excuse from a loser candidate.
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Male 2,703
This just in...Al Gore blames Obama`s loss on the high altitude.

You can`t make this stuff up.
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Male 5,185
I do want to give props to Romney though. He really had dug himself into a hole this last month. He put up a decent fight.
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Male 5,185
Not convinced? Ronald Reagan got his ass handed to him the first debate for his second term. It wasn`t close like this one. Sitting presidents have a little more on their minds than debates. It takes the second one until they hit their grove.
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Male 7,378
It`s not true. It`s fantasy. Tell me who on the democratic side demonized Ron Paul? He was the only republican candidate who enjoyed crossover appeal. He was on liberal leaning shows like Bill Maher more than he was on Fox. Enough with the revisionist history.
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Male 5,185
Let me put this into reality. John Kerry won his first debate against George W Bush. Mitt Romney is pretty much John Kerry. He is an elitist who turns off voters. He is a flip-flopper who will say anything to win. Spin it all you want but he hurts his campaign more than he helps it just by being himself.
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Male 2,357
@madest: It is true - both parties demonized Ron Paul. Yes, like I stated, the Republican party demonized him. However, the Democratic party did as well, so don`t be an idiot.

My statement was absolutely true; you`ve (once again) attempted to extrapolate more from my statements that what was said.
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Male 1,268
@CJ. Not sure you understand how money lines work. Suffice to say, if you`re betting Romney, you want to bet him when he`s as high in the positives as you think will happen. I didn`t give you the links because I`m calling your bluff, I did so because if you`re going to make these bets, you should do so now. It`s in your favor to do so.

About intrade, I said as much. Now look up intrades stock price on obama being reelected.
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Male 5,185
"The last poll I seen before the debate was even at 47% for each. Romney will get points from this debate."

What kind of backwards push poll do you follow? Gallup had Obama at 49 and Romney at 45 on Tuesday. Even Fox News was honest enough to admit Romney was behind in the polls. But I really would expect nothing less from you.
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Male 7,378
[quote]Ron Paul was demonized by both the Republican and the Democratic parties.[/quote] --------
Not true. Ron Paul was railroaded out of the primaries by his own party. Democrats no more affected his campaign than any of the republican primary candidates. Ron Paul was cheated by republicans. He won all the caucus states but the establishment lied about results. It took court cases and changes within state republican parties to have the true results revealed. Ron Paul was destroyed by his own party. That needs to be clear and the accusation that the democrats had anything to do with his demise is grossly exaggerated.
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Male 2,703
That was a butt kickin`.

Expect POB`s machine to ramp up the attacks even more.

Oh, and the reaction by the MSNBC panel of clowns was priceless.
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Male 17,511
Scuzoid:

Wagerline:
1201 Democrats -500
1202 Republicans +300

Intrade on Romney is trading up from yesterday.
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Male 5,189
Ron would have my vote too if I voted.
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Male 37
@HumanAction: it`s too bad the media is telling people what to believe in now a days, Ron Paul would have my vote if i was american
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Male 535
Dont care. I came to IAB to get away from the politcal circus. NOW SHOW ME AWKWARD BOOBIES!
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Male 2,357
@Butters420: Ron Paul was demonized by both the Republican and the Democratic parties. Somehow, they managed to convince a great many people that a man who simply wants the government to leave you alone (within reason) is a lunatic.
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Male 37
also, what ever happened to Ron Paul? I try not to follow U.S. politics, it`s a glorified circus
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Male 273
Romney was more aggresive but all he did was prove that he is indeed the master of flip-flop... All he does is say things will be better without explaing how and when he gives some details on his plans he keeps changing them.
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Male 37
People should do their research before voting, no one does, most people will vote for 1 of the 2 popular evils
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Male 10,338
"Or have they already forgotten romneys recent comments where he came out and said he doesnt care about most of the USA population."

No, because he never said that.

He said 47% of Americans will vote for Obama no matter what.

He is correct in that statement.
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Male 3,285
Here we go again. All the republicans being brainwashed by the propaganda machine.

Or have they already forgotten romneys recent comments where he came out and said he doesnt care about most of the USA population. He only cares about the rich.
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Male 579
Wake up pups! This was a no-hitter for Romney. One has to be wilfully blinded by the tasty candy of liberalism to not see that Romney cleaned Obama`s clock last night. I think BO is ticked that Romney not only won on substance but on style as well. It`s gotta be eating you liberals up, doesn`t it? I felt the same when Clinton bested HBush.
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Male 10,338
"The stupid people who pulled the lever twice for George Bush think Romney won."

Huffington Post called it for Romney, as did MSNBC, as did CNN, etc.

Hell, Chris Matthews called it for Romney!
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Male 57
Obama tried to "remember" what to say, as opposed to know what to say. Romney KNOWs what to say and said it with conviction and strength! Obama was a blithering idiot.
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Male 7,378
Not everyone is calling this for Romney. The stupid people who pulled the lever twice for George Bush think Romney won. But that`s like Al Queda claiming victory on September 12th. I had a ringside seat and heard Romney`s big ideas were to ignore everything he has previously said about taxes and cut funding to PBS. So the crowd in this house may have simply been wishing for a miracle. Perhaps 2 layers of magic underpants in the next debate will help.
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Male 10,338
Obama mentioned Osama bin Laden in a debate about domestic issues. What more needs be said?

He spiked the football, during a baseball game.
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Male 741
Every media outlet I`ve seen says Romney won. Frankly, I don`t see it. Romney hit his usual talking points but still offered no details.

If Romney did win, then it`s only because he didn`t come out looking as much like an idiot as he has until last night.
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[quote]5cats are you a Queationist?[/quote]
@Draculya: No, I believe in Devolution!

The "a"... the "s"... so close together...

@Scuzoid: Polls mean nothing: that`s a fact!
@CrakrJak should have specified WHICH polls since the MSM manipulates them without shame (or fear of getting caught).
One poll I saw the other day put Obama at +2! It had 24% Repubs in it`s survey base... (hint: a LOT more Dems, in other words: SKEW-CITY!)

So I don`t doubt that the "polls" will continue to skew Obama`s way, until the actual election proves them false yet again!
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Male 1,268
"The last poll I seen before the debate was even at 47% for each. Romney will get points from this debate.

Btw, I only make bets on sure things, so be careful."

tinyurl.com/9qvaglk
tinyurl.com/6ksnjy6

There ya go. Make the bet then. See, the guys who actually understand odds, statistics, and where the cash is pointing, say Romney will easily lose. They have billions riding on it. There are a couple sports books that would be more than happy to take your 100 million dollar bet on Romney to win. They`ll have to adjust the money line after the fact, but hey, it`s a sure thing, right?

Polls mean nothing. The money says the debate hurt Obama, but not nearly enough for him to lose the election.
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Male 770
I dont like either one. I am tired of voting `against` someone rather than voting `for` someone. But looks like it will be that way again this year.
Screw it. I am writting in Alfred E. Newman.
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Male 15,329
5cats are you a Queationist?
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Male 689
hard to debate a person who changes his position as much as mitt. all he does is pander.
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Male 41,079
"...include the cat lady AKA 5cats in that too."
Oh, it was @jamie76 saying that.
Back to the insults and attacks Jamie? You returned to IAB just for petite Moi?

Not Convinced (vid)

Queation: WHY are all the liberals hitting Romney for "changing his opinions". He ran for the nomination, then he adapted HIS stance to mesh with the Repub platform. It`s what EVERY politican has done, ever, inculding Obama (clean coal, lolz!)!

Meanwhile: Obama promised the moon in 2008, got elected (supermajority!) and delivered... Obamacare. And... nothing.

I guessit`s true: Obama has remained consistant:
2008 The idiot before me (Bush) ruined the economy!
2012 The idiot before me (Bush) ruined the economy!

Just last week Obama said Bush is 90% to blame for the current deficit! 4 years
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[quote]However, it probably does mean he didn`t watch the U.S. Presidential Debate.[/quote]
@LandoGriffin: True that! I caught the last half-hour though.
It seemed like Obama ran over his time like 9/10? He just kept on talking! With lots of stuttering...

Also: I am a man! (checks in underpants) Yup!
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Male 1,196
Romney dominated the debate. Obama looked timid and lacked confidence. I think Romney is a great speaker and debater while Obama is just a great speaker.
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jamie76: "and tomorrow the polls will not move a but in Mittens favor."

Want to place a bet on that sir?

The last poll I seen before the debate was even at 47% for each. Romney will get points from this debate.

Btw, I only make bets on sure things, so be careful.
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Male 13,630
Whoever wins this election is going to have to deal with a whole whoop ass can of crap, so much in debt, so many jobless, its a job I would look at the details and run
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Male 17,511
Mad_Gremlyn: I`ve been logging in to IAB for 4 years. In comparison Davymid has had his account for 5 years and has a similar comment number to me. Davy is also fully employed.

Your comments, about me, are badly off the mark.
And your picture selection leads me to believe that YOU are a troll.
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Male 5,185
"Dude. I wish it weren`t so, but plenty of liberals, including me, think Romney came off better in that debate."

I didn`t really walk away from it feeling like there was a clear winner. Maybe Romney did win slightly. Obama let a lot of things just fly by him. He definitely wasn`t his best tonight. At the foreign affairs debate I hope he comes out swinging.
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@Markust:

1. “And congratulations to you, Mr. President, on your anniversary. I’m sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine — here with me!”

2. “Mr. President, you’re entitled to your own house and your own airplane, but not your own facts.”

3. “I’m sorry, Jim, I’m gonna stop the subsidy to PBS… I like PBS. I love Big Bird. I actually like you, too.”

4. “Look, I got five boys. I’m used to people saying something that’s not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I will believe it.”

5. “I’ve been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Maybe I need to get a new accountant, but the idea you get a break for shipping jobs overseas, is simply not the case.”

These are only 5. There were many more.
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Male 10,084
markust123

"How can there be a winner when both sides thinks their candidate won?"

Dude. I wish it weren`t so, but plenty of liberals, including me, think Romney came off better in that debate. Even Carville called it for Romney. I think Romney is full of s.hit but Americans don`t vote on substance. They vote on perception.

I personally am AMAZED. I would have bet everything I had on Obama crushing him. He just seemed distracted or out of it.
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[quote]include the cat lady AKA 5cats in that too.[/quote]

5cats is a man. Also, he`s Canadian but that doesn`t stop him from being opinionated about U.S. politics. However, it probably does mean he didn`t watch the U.S. Presidential Debate.
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Male 5,185
How can there be a winner when both sides thinks their candidate won? I was hoping for a little more excitement from both sides. Where were these zingers Romney`s camp said he was practicing? And were was Obama`s passion? Not a single solid sound bite from either of them. You won`t see anything from this debate in future news reels.
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Male 2,344
This was a great debate for Romney, he didn`t let Obama define him, Mitt not only defined himself he defined Obama.

Obama sans teleprompter is a stumbling stuttering stooge and that was evident tonight.


and tomorrow the polls will not move a but in Mittens favor...trust it.
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Male 2,344
He`s a f*cking conservitard idiot alright, but I assure you, he`s got a firm grasp of English. Cleverest right-wing moron I ever met. And I hate that. Seriously, you should listen to some of the things he has to say. Not all of them, but some of them.

I would rather listen to a brittney spears and justin beiber together doing the phantom of the opera non-stop for 24 hours than listen to anything Oldoldie has to say...include the cat lady AKA 5cats in that too.
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Male 2,344
Romney got fiesty but delievered no substance or details.

Obama did what he needed to do...avoid getting emotional, stick to his taking points.

Fact checkers are already slamming much of what romney said.

Obama does need to get more energized but he was on point for refuting romney, he just needs to deliver it better.

in the end, republicans remember, romney was not good enough four years ago, and he is not good enough for you now.
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Male 10,338
I haven`t been that entertained since Tyson/Spinks. It was over in the first round!
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Male 3,445
eugenius: There are two more debates, plus a VP debate next Thursday.
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Dems:

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Male 1,793
what is funny is the conservatives don`t give a poo romney changed every bit of his platform..
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sender02 said: [quote]Obama should have taken a labtop with him to play video of Mitt saying the exact opposite weeks ago of what he`s saying tonight. it wouldn`t have been tough video to find.[/quote]

I am going to watch Jon Stewart do exactly that on the Daily Show in about an hour. I expect he (and the writers) will create a mashed-up "Mitt Romney August 2012" debating against "Mitt Romney October 2012"
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Male 12,138
[quote]Oh, look, it`s oldidiot not understanding English. Nothing new about that.[/quote]
He`s a f*cking conservitard idiot alright, but I assure you, he`s got a firm grasp of English. Cleverest right-wing moron I ever met. And I hate that. Seriously, you should listen to some of the things he has to say. Not all of them, but some of them. ;-)
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Male 512
Oh, look, it`s oldidiot not understanding English. Nothing new about that.
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Male 512
Just read the comment by crackerjackass, hah! How does this fool get by? 12k+ comments on a website designed to waste time. Total shut-in cashing guv`ment subsidies checks and trolling the internet. Or maybe in his mom`s basement at 45 y.o.
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[quote]The right-winger will just say this is a momentary lapse of reason and judgment and that the MSM is not about truth.

Despite the President`s debate performance, he`s drawing out a longer line of attack on the Guv`ner.[/quote]
What?
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Male 512
The right-winger will just say this is a momentary lapse of reason and judgment and that the MSM is not about truth.

Despite the President`s debate performance, he`s drawing out a longer line of attack on the Guv`ner.
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Male 17,511
This was a great debate for Romney, he didn`t let Obama define him, Mitt not only defined himself he defined Obama.

Obama sans teleprompter is a stumbling stuttering stooge and that was evident tonight.
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Male 1,620
Anyone know if there`s a scheduled rematch? Too drunk to Google right now--happy hour took a lot out of me.

That said, if there is a rematch, look for a more direct Obama. Less stammering and more confidence.

Like FoolsPrussia just said, Obama looked beat at the end, like he was happy it was over.

I think Romney knew he had a ice cube`s chance in hell to win so he went into this debate with nothing to lose. He played it loose and fast and it showed.

Obama played defense the entire night and it looked weak at times.

Again, I don`t think I can vote for either, just saying. The only way either guy gets my vote is if they can reform The Smiths.
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Male 3,445
I agree. Obama didn`t perform very well. He missed some easy ones and he seemed tired at the end.
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Male 1,620
davymid put it perfectly. Look for his comment in the page behind this one.

davymid`s still got it.
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Male 1,620
A few things...

OswegoWriter said it best early on: The moderator sucked. Got trampled on at times, like a scab NFL ref.

2) This was the first time I`ve heard Romney speak in a debate forum and sh*t if he wasn`t that bad. Didn`t get trampled on like the talking heads said he would. I give him the win tonight, but he won`t win the election.

3) I`m still impressed by the knowledge of the I-A-B readers on all things politics. I get way better political feedback here in the forums than anywhere else.

D) What was Madest talking about? Something about a boxing match? I didn`t get that part.

E) Looking forward to the overnight commentary and tomorrow`s Monday morning quarterbacking from the I-A-B regs.
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Male 3,445
Pretty uninteresting debate, IMO.
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Male 546
Next debate should be interesting. Maybe this time Romney will let us in on his super duper secret policies. Seriously this debate changed nothing, however the talking heads will have field day tomorrow combing over every single piece of inconsequential minutia and not the fact that nothing of actual substance was said. Everyone do yourselves a favor and don`t look to the joke that is the American news media for any analysis, especially CNN, MSNBC, and Sata- I mean Fox news. I`m going to look to a few foreign news sources for some outsider perspective, I recommend doing the same.

Still, Mitt most definitely does not have my vote and I wouldn`t even consider the possibility unless he tells us what exactly his polices are.
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Male 17,511
CNN After Debate poll of registered voters that watched the debate. Who won the debate?

67% Romney - 25% Obama
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Female 280
Too true, sender02!
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Male 188
Obama expected to debate the Mitt Romney who won the Republican Nomination and had been preaching certain policies over the last few weeks on the campaign trail. Unfortunantly for him, Romney is an etch-a-sketch. He just changed masks and became a brand new, more moderate Romney who never said anything like the old Romney`s policies. Hence, Obama was unprepared and off his game. Spending the whole debate calling someone a liar would have seemed childish, even if they were lying.
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Male 5,185
"I don`t think you understand what it is. You were on here chastising people for making posts and statements EXACTLY like what you just did yourself."

What I don`t like is partisan media. But nice spin.
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Male 2,578
I weep for America.
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Female 280
El Chinche, it`s easy for Romney to speak with confidence because he never really said anything.
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Male 546
Apparently people saw two different debates. This was style versus substance. People think Romney won because he didn`t make an ass of himself and spoke with confidence. People think Obama won because Romney was vague, and didn`t offer any details on his policies. Romney was combative, Obama was defensive.
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Female 280
What`s interesting to me is that on CBS, the first ad to run after the debate ended was for the new movie "Lincoln".
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Male 5,620
@markust123

Lol. I don`t think you understand what it is. You were on here chastising people for making posts and statements EXACTLY like what you just did yourself. That is why I asked you to clarify what you thought it was then.
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Male 40,207

What I heard was lies, damn lies, and whoppers.
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Male 188
Romney won tonight because he sounded better. This is all out of context of course. He was vague the whole way and rude to the moderator at times (Obama used the moderator as a doormat as well of course). But if you can ignore the fact he was B.S.ing the whole time or never heard the the things he said on the campaign trail before tonight, he seemed better.
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Male 5,185
"A partisan insult from someone who detests partisan insults. Lol."

????? I don`t think you understand what partisan is.
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Male 5,620
"How are people saying that Romney won."

By demonstrating that he can be a leader, as opposed to what we have had the last 4 years.
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Female 280
I dont see how romney won this. He still hasn`t said how he`s gonna change the health care system or what loopholes he`s gonna close in the tax code. He just seemed "nice" and plasicky.
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Male 1,268
"I wonder how much they will have the skew the polls now to show Obama winning? Lol."

The money line barely changed at all after that debate. Be it Vegas sports books or intrade. Polls are silly, the money is still on Obama with a clear victory.
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Male 5,620
"Mitt Romney is like the new Japanese robots. He looks and sounds very lifelike but there is just something that is off."

=O
A partisan insult from someone who detests partisan insults. Lol.
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Female 2,674
How are people saying that Romney won. Like, what`s the criteria? That he didn`t stutter as much? If you consider the substance of what he was saying, he rarely went into detail. He flip flopped from what he said in the past. He seemed ruder to the moderator imo (they both went over time but Romney continually talked over/ignored the moderator and even told him that they`re not moving on cause he wanted to make his point). I missed some of it due to working on electronics hw so maybe I missed the magical point in which Romney won but really it sounded to me like he was spewing BS.
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Male 5,185
Mitt Romney is like the new Japanese robots. He looks and sounds very lifelike but there is just something that is off.
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Male 188
Mitt Romney won tonight. He debated better. His campain has taken a hit now since he flip-flopped on his main talking points on live television. He didn`t disprove or villify any of Obama`s views enough to ensure him a win. Frankly, he didn`t make enough of this win.
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Male 1,421
You should really start having more than two political parties. That poo just ain`t healthy. More political views, more diversity... 3 major parties and 4 minors, that starts to sound like a 310 million people views better represented... Two parties = two sides, ONLY two sides, every issue is black and white. You can be either that of this but nothing in between. Life is not binary.
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Female 1,743
Romney definitely won the debate...


...but will the American people win?
the 1% most certainly will if Romney wins, but what about that infamous 47% leech citizens.
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Male 7,839
Its been fun. Goodnight all.
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Male 570
madest: how`s Africa this time of year?
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Male 546
@CreamK
Depends who you ask. People only saw and heard what they wanted to see and hear. Mitt is still Mitt, Obama is still Obama, these debates have done nothing except rile up each side of the political spectrum.
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Male 1,421
Romney is JR Ewing to us and Obama is Bobby lol
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Male 1,421
If you ask anyone from europe, we really don`t want to see Romney win. Why? He just seems evil politician who says one thing today and another tomorrow depending on whos ass he is kissing. The essential crooked white guy. And we think Obama is just too cool to be true but is still better than the alternative. But you don`t care about the rest of the world so..
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Male 12,138
I`m not American, but if I was I`d be voting Obama. Having said that, I think Mitt Romney came across better tonight. More energetic and focussed than Obama, on this one anyway.
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Male 1,084
Your twitter pole is 100% scientific... learn science
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Male 1,421
So who won?
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Male 5,620
I wonder how much they will have the skew the polls now to show Obama winning? Lol.
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Male 1,084
@madest who pays for the paramedics?
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Male 7,378
The judges are UNANIMOUS! Call a decisive Obama win! Romney`s on a stretcher being carted out of the stadium! The crowd is silent. I`m told there are paramedics waiting, we hope he`s alright. These two meet again in two weeks and hope he can recover in time. Goodnight from Denver.
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Markust: In the slightly different category of "battleground" states identified by Politico, Romney leads by 2, 49-47. Romney`s lead over Obama is powered primarily by his edge with independents. Romney leads Obama by 4 among the important swing voters. By 11 points, these voters think Romney would do better on the economy than Obama, 51-40.
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Male 1,084
""Mitt Romney had the night of his life" - Politico, on cspan2"
He was good but "night of his life", if that`s true, that`s sad.
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Male 5,620
@markust123 -- did you not watch the debates? Obama stuttered and stumbled the entire debate. Romney totally won that debate. Lol
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Female 1,743
Yawn.

I didn`t learn anything from that debate.
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Male 5,185
There was no clear winner. Because Obama is ahead in the polls that means Romney looses. He needed to knock this one out of the park to gain ground and he just didn`t.
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Male 17,511
"Mitt Romney had the night of his life" - Politico, on cspan2
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Male 17,511
Even Politico is saying Mitt Romney won.

Wow!
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Male 5,620
Next debate is in KY!!! YES! Like 2 hours from me.. Hope I can go to Centere College!!
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Male 188
Wow. Romney stays vague the whole debate, but in closing nobody will get the chance to call him out on his facts. Now he`s pulling all kinds of figures and numbers out of his rear.
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Male 17,511
Yeah, they take so much pride in building those Chevy Volts. Oh that`s right, they aren`t building the Chevy Volts that the government forced on them because they aren`t selling. They are loosing $49,000 per car on them.
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Elkingo, I also agree that there was no specific god they were talking about. The freedom of religion is one of my favorites. Though, now it seems that you have the freedom of any religion accept no religion at all. I dont see has having an atheist [hell, non-christian] president any time soon.
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Male 17,511
When has Obama EVER said no to another democrat? Ever?!

Obama is the most divisive president in the last 40 years.
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Male 5,620
It is 100% clear that Obama will continue to bury the middle class.
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Male 17,511
markust: Obama hasn`t been detailed on anything except his excuses of why he didn`t get the economy going again or creating jobs.
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Male 7,378
The crowd is clearly behind the president! The Koch brothers are speechless! Rush Limbaugh is crying! Times running out! Minutes left! Mitts last opportunity to save himself. Hope he doesn`t blow it! Does he want it bad enough?
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Male 5,620
@cobrakiller agreed. However, one can discuss God being in those documents. I think the original intent was to not identify a specific god.
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Male 17,511
$90 billion would`ve paid for a lot of teachers, paid for a lot of insurance premiums and fixed a lot of bridges.
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Male 5,620
‎"Mr. President, you are entitled to your own airplane, but not your own facts." Lmao Priceless!
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Male 7,839
elkingo, but that was almost 250 years ago. I would think we have grown a bit since then. "God" no matter which you believe in, doesnt have anything to do with government, and is not important on what will help our country.
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Male 5,185
Obama talking about Ryan`s budget proposal, "It wasn`t very detailed. This seams to be a trend."
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Male 7,839
CJ, I love Obamacare. It is because of Obamacare that I still have Health insurance while attending Graduate school.
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Male 5,620
Oh no, our forefathers brought the G-man into the Constitution.
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Male 7,839
Oh no, Romney brought the G-man into the debate.
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Male 5,185
Sorry Mitt. When a war is over you don`t get to keep that high budget. You give it back.
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cobrakiller: Obama wasn`t specific about Obamacare in 2008 either. In fact they cobbled it together from a lot of ideas. The main aim of which was for government to eventually take it all over and be the sole provider for everyone.
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Male 7,378
That`s not a black dot that`s blood! Romney`s being tagged repeatedly in the eye that bloods everywhere it`s like Carrie in here! His eye is just hanging from the nerve! Mitt needs a surgeon OHHH!!! Another blow to the eye!!! Show mercy Mr. President, show mercy!!!
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Male 188
hadn`t noticed the flag pin thing. neat.
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Male 7,839
Elkingo, thank you for that. Its been bugging me the last hour. All the HD in the world wasnt helping me with that one.
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Male 188
The point of Obamacare is actually the opposite of death panels. If you have health insurance, your provider can`t pull it out from under you as easily. If you don`t, the goverment provides a simple, conventional version of healthcare. that was the idea.
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Male 7,839
Thank you Obama. Calling out Mit for the incredible vagueness of his answers. Your plans should not be secret. That goes against what Romney said earlier about everything needing to be transparent.
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Male 5,620
@cobrakiller - He is wearing a secret service flag pin.

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Male 3,667
I think both men are speaking very well, though it seems Obama has to have the last word on everything.

I do like what Mitt said, medicare doesn`t disestablish, but people have a choice between medicare or a private insurer via a voucher, with the richer not getting as much.

May the better product win, I say. Give people the choice
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Male 7,839
Sender, completely agreed.
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sender02: Do I need to point to the `panels` in the law that get to make decisions on who and how people get healthcare?

It`s in there, I read it, unlike Obama and the rest of the democrats.
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Male 7,839
Non-partisan question here: What is the black dot on Romneys flag pin?
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Male 188
"Romney care doesn`t have death panels, it doesn`t force people into switching their insurance or tax the top tier plans that the wealthy can afford."
Obamacare doesn`t do any of these things. I think Obamacare is a joke because instead of forcing it through like Romney is accusing him of, Obama let the Republicans water it down and get rid of what would make it effective.
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Male 7,839
Elkingo, I disagree. It appears to me that Romney is the one being Vague.
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Male 5,620
"Romney`s plan for medicare is "this is hard, let the states deal with it." where the states will get the money to do this without robbing their constituents is a mystery."

They get what they got the year before, plus 1%, plus inflation. Assuming that Americans aren`t intelligent enough to work it out state by state is simply ridiculous. There is no need for federal involvement.
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Male 17,511
"Reduce the cost of care" = "Your granny`s heart transplant is going to cost to much, just say goodbye to her now before we pull the plug.
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Male 5,620
Romney is a confident leader, Obama is giving long winded and vague answers.
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Male 7,378
But CJ the ref`s disagree with your assessment! They`re counting Mitt down, giving him a breather from his own beating. Obama crying foul on the break it`s pandemonium! The crowd needs to come to order! Obama`s itching to get back to the beating it`s just a spectacle!
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Male 188
Romney`s plan for medicare is "this is hard, let the states deal with it." where the states will get the money to do this without robbing their constituents is a mystery.
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Male 17,511
Romney care doesn`t have death panels, it doesn`t force people into switching their insurance or tax the top tier plans that the wealthy can afford.
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Male 17,511
Healthcare costs going up, not down as Obama promised. Obamacare is a tax, as Chief Roberts said, and it`s the biggest tax increase on the American people ever.
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Male 7,839
I agree with everyone speaking of the crappy moderating. He is too polite, and is getting walked all over by both men. Somebody please give the man a bullhorn.
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Male 5,620
Look at the stupid look on Obama`s face while Romney talks about how silly and costly Obamacare is. Lol.
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Male 7,378
OHHH NO CJ!!! Romney punching himself in the gut! The stunning turn of events just turned worse for the worse! The entire right side of the house is staggered by the stumbling self inflicted blows ohhh CJ how can the beat be beaten? Why oh why?!?!?
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Male 17,511
I`m with elkingo, I think madest is a bit `punchy` right now.
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Male 7,839
Romney is BSing everyone right now. Everything he is saying tonight goes against what he has been for all along. I think he is trying to appeal more to moderates tonight.
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Male 5,620
Madest is going to be sooooo pissed when he comes off his high. I think he is watching Karate Kid instead of the debates.
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Male 7,378
Call the paramedics CJ! Romney`s knees are weak! Who knew Obama was so inhumane! The bone crushing blows are dizzying. Easy Mr. President it`s Mitt not OSAMA!!!
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Male 1,421
Now i wanna shot someone, better to go play few rounds of BF.
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Male 5,620
Obama, "Nooooooo not Obamacare!!!!" Lmao.
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Male 17,511
If he cared so much about entitlements, why did he waste $90 billion on `green` energy projects that haven`t worked or went bankrupt?
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Male 106
what the drat is tapit?
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Male 188
terrible moderator.
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Male 17,511
Those funds that were wasted on Solyndra are coming back to bite Obama in the ass now.
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Male 106
Mehhhh, Can we have a version that is not blocked by Company Proxies?
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Male 7,839
Obama is making sense. Romney is talking fairy tales they he isnt going to bring to a happy ending.
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Male 5,620
yup, madest is high, or delusional -- maybe both!
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Male 188
romeny`s been saying that all the way down the campaign trail. he usually didn`t name a figure but he`s lying when he says that wasn`t his plan. I agree Obama looks like a stuttering idiot when he brings that up, but only out of context since Romney can deny it right now.
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Male 5,620
How many more times do you think Obama will stutter? I am betting a lot. Lol
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Male 7,378
Oh the gloves are off! Obama delivering blow after devastating blow. Mitt might need a nursing home provided by Obamacare when this is through.
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Male 27
Liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat, Blue Stater or Red Stater; no matter our political bent, there`s one thing we can all agree upon: Jim Lehrer is a sucky moderator.
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Male 17,511
Ruffled by what? a lie about $5 trillion that Obama just pulled out of his ass?
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Male 5,620
Lmao... Obama just blamed Bush.
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Male 5,620
Madest -- are you high!?

Lmao.. Obama is talking like a stuttering fool.
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Male 7,378
Romney on the ropes. He`s bobbing and weaving and swatting and dodging and can`t seem to get sound footing. It`s not good CJ his feathers are ruffled like Big Bird.
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Male 7,839
Sender, that is the grand finale. You want that to be the last thing people see.
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Male 188
Obama should have taken a labtop with him to play video of Mitt saying the exact opposite weeks ago of what he`s saying tonight. it wouldn`t have been tough video to find.
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Male 7,378
Ooooh the right hook by Obama catches Romney on his eye. Look CJ the eye is bleeding! Can Romney fight through the pain? Blood everywhere! Ringside seater getting sprayed we hope he`s not infected ohhh the humanity......
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Male 1,620
First 15 minutes and I`m already scared about either one of these guys winning.
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Male 7,839
Sooooo, we are just lying tonight?
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Male 5,620
Lmao -- these debates are awesome. I particularly liking how Obama is hanging his head down while being berated over the middle class being buried.
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Male 1,620
Romney says all the right things, but he buried himself last month. This is Obama`s to lose.
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Male 1,620
Finally, some direct questions...
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Male 802
Who will be the master debater?!
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Male 2,579
nothing will change
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Male 7,839
My friends and I have about 3 or 4 drinking games between us. I don`t know if we are going to make it all the way through.
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Male 1,421
This is gonna end in tears.. of laughter, no doubt.. Get your bingo sheets ready, i`ll have my trusty bong.
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Male 15,510
Let whoever score a perfectly timed "thats what she said" comment, win
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Male 1,793
does any one know where i can score some happy stuff before they begin? and by score I mean I got to have some now, and by before they begin I mean now, and by happy stuff i mean any of the following h, pot, anything...
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Male 20,987
Don`t worry, I-A-B... a video player will be embedded by the time the games begin.
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Male 20,987
Link: Obama Vs Mitt: 2012 Presidential Debate Post-Game [Rate Link] - OK, I-A-B... the debate`s over. Pretty much everyone`s calling this for Romney. Your take? It`s gonna be a good battle.
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