The best in arts & entertainment, news, pop culture, and your mom since 2002.

[Total: 16    Average: 3.1/5]
51 Comments - View/Add
Hits: 6020
Rating: 3.1
Category:
Date: 10/06/12 07:32 AM

51 Responses to House Science Subcommittee Member Denies Science

  1. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 7:34 am
    Link: House Science Subcommittee Member Denies Science - Also, that`s a lot of dead deer.
  2. Profile photo of Evil_Eye
    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
    1442 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 7:43 am
    Deer behind, sheep infront.
  3. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 7:55 am
    I kept hoping one of those deer would fall on him.
  4. Profile photo of tatripp
    tatripp Male 18-29
    1196 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 8:00 am
    I don`t understand how a need for a savior makes science false
  5. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 8:19 am
    It amazes me, in this day and age, that someone can be so stupid. What is his IQ, 12? I just don`t understand how people this dumb can exist on a day to day basis. Are these the same people that used to have "12:00" flashing on their VCRs because they couldn`t figure out how to set the time by pressing the "menu" button?
  6. Profile photo of inaria
    inaria Female 18-29
    1515 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 8:20 am
    Lol @ claiming he is a scientist.
  7. Profile photo of drips
    drips Male 30-39
    904 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 8:38 am
    Even the Vatican says that the Big Bang origin of the universe isn`t incompatible with their beliefs.
  8. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 8:53 am
    A dumb republican?!?!? Shocking!
  9. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 8:56 am
    drips:
    "Even the Vatican says that the Big Bang origin of the universe isn`t incompatible with their beliefs."
    -----------

    That`s where I have the real problem. The Vatican can say what ever it wants, but science and religion don`t mix. They conflict. You can not believe in both, no matter how much you want to. If you believe in science, you are ignoring some of the fact, written in the bible. If you are ignoring some of the facts, written in the Bible, then you aren`t following the Bible and can`t be religious...Well, can`t be Christian, anyway. If you choose to believe in both, you are clearly an Atheist that is afraid to let go because of the brainwashing you were subject to, as you grew up. If that`s the case, please sit down and re-scrutinize why you believe what you do. If you can`t make that leap, there is no help for you and you are a lost cause. One of the ones that gets left behind as the rest of the world begins to advance.
  10. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 9:12 am
    patchouly: You can not believe in both, no matter how much you want to.

    Utter hogwash. First off science isn`t a `belief system` even though many substitute it for religion. Secondly, there are millions of scientists around the world that are from many different faiths. Thirdly, that sort of `all-or-nothing` attitude is what is really incompatible.

    I`m sure this guy doesn`t doubt Newtonian physics, calculus, chemistry or biology. So please quit acting as if he is.
  11. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3889 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 9:16 am
    "I don`t even mind... I don`t even care... If someone wants to say you don`t understand that, God did it. That doesn`t even bother me. What would bother me is if you were so content in that answer that you no longer had curiosity to learn how it happened. The day you stop looking because you`re content God did it, I don`t need you in the lab. You`re useless... on the frontier of understanding the nature of the world." NDT
  12. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3889 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 9:17 am
    "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that`s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on," NDT
  13. Profile photo of ScottSerious
    ScottSerious Male 18-29
    5316 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 9:23 am
    so much dumb in one room
  14. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 9:27 am
    patchouly, every Christian has to ignore parts of the bible due to contradictions anyway. They can still be Christians despite not believing the bible completely, understanding that it was written by men and some of it may not apply today and such. Maybe other Christians or atheists will say they`re wrong but there`s many different sects of Christianity for a reason.
  15. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 9:58 am
    `Utter hogwash. First off science isn`t a `belief system` even though many substitute it for religion. Secondly, there are millions of scientists around the world that are from many different faiths. Thirdly, that sort of `all-or-nothing` attitude is what is really incompatible.`

    Another one of those rare instances where I agree with Crakrjak. There really is no disagreement between science and religion at their cores. They both seek a different type of truth. The conflict comes from religious individuals who ultimately fail to see the point the originators of their faith were attempting to make about inner truth, and who used metaphors that employ the outer world to make their spiritual points.

    Unfortunately, these individuals are often the people who run the religions today. And to make matters worse, this view makes many non-theists suspicious of the motives of religion, and thus, conflict ensues.
  16. Profile photo of chalket
    chalket Male 50-59
    2712 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 9:58 am
    His constituents should fire him. He is a disgrace to the concept of "science."
  17. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 11:12 am
    CrakrJak:
    "that sort of `all-or-nothing` attitude is what is really incompatible."
    -------

    I disagree. If you are going to follow a religion, based on a book, you can`t only believe parts of that book. If you do, you are not being true to the religion and - according to said book - will suffer the agonies of burning in Hell for all of eternity. You either do what the Bible says and believe what the Bible says or you find another religion that you can follow that you are willing to buy into, fully.

    The Bible makes claims about who we are and where we came from, that completely counter science`s explanations. There is no picking and choosing your favourite parts. You are either part of the intelligent folks who are able to drop the voodoo or you are part of the group that will forever be lost in a world that is moving away from 2000 year old myths and fairy tails and moving into a new age of understanding and logic.
  18. Profile photo of Tiredofnicks
    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
    5097 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 11:47 am
    markust123: That`s actually a misquote, the full one reads something like this:

    "if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it? Is that how you want to play this game? If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem."

    It is more of a response to a definition of God than an actual statement to God`s nonexistence.
  19. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 11:47 am
    We need a law that only atheists can be on the science committee. We`re living the alternative with tards like this in control.
  20. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    "We need a law that only atheists can be on the science committee. We`re living the alternative with tards like this in control."

    I`d pay good money to see you say that in a mosque or at a holocaust remembrance.
  21. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3889 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    "It is more of a response to a definition of God than an actual statement to God`s nonexistence."

    Even with the whole context you missed the point. What he stated has nothing to do with the existence of God or the definition of God. It has to do with science disproving inaccurate "facts" that were attributed to God, for instance that the earth was thought of as the center of the universe.
  22. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3281 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    I understand that you have a religious point of view, and you`re entitled to that, and I respect that. But if your point of view is contradictory to your position in government, you need to do the right thing and step down from it.

    So, if you are a Christian who doesn`t believe in science, you shouldn`t be on a science committee. The same way that someone like Neil DeGrasse Tyson shouldn`t be on a religious committee.

    I`m not saying one view is right or wrong, btw. I`m just saying that if you hold view a, don`t be on a committee that is supposed to support view b, which is contradictory to view a.
  23. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    By at least one scientific definition the earth is the center of the universe

  24. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    @Rick_S So from this I can take it that you think only those who approve of GM crops should be allowed to discuss the laws governing GM crops?

    Or perhaps that only those who think fossil fuels are a good thing should only be able to comment on our fossil fuel use.

    Frankly, I doubt this man can tie his shoelaces without help. That does not mean that a committee can`t benefit from his first amendment right to have his views on the matter heard.

    I find the "ban it" mentality really offensive. He is open to ridicule. He is open to not being voted for (my personal preference), but to say that he shouldn`t be allowed or should self-censor, which amounts to the same thing, is morally wrong.

    No *insert group you don`t agree with here* allowed. More than one person has made this suggestion.

  25. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3889 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    "By at least one scientific definition the earth is the center of the universe"

    I sure hope you were trying to be funny.
  26. Profile photo of danagamer
    danagamer Male 30-39
    701 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    The Bible never gives a specific date to how old the Earth is, it has been partially derived from adding up all the ages of the people who lived in the Bible from Adam and Eve up. Of course `every person" is not listed. Personally I wouldn`t get my idea of how old the Earth is from a story that involves creating people from ribs and talking snakes.
  27. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    No. I hope you understand that the observable universe is the theoretical limit of all we can ever know about the universe given our current understanding of physics. We can never, never ever know anything about what lies beyond this.

    This is a respected scientific model, and it places us smack bang at the center of the universe.

    Why, where abouts does you place us, and what shape do you believe the universe to have that allows you to place us somewhere else in it?

    Science clearly needs your help on this one.
  28. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    does-->do
  29. Profile photo of danagamer
    danagamer Male 30-39
    701 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 3:59 pm

  30. Profile photo of Tiredofnicks
    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
    5097 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    markust123: Getting our own li`l private argument here. :)

    Yes, I stated that somewhat fuzzy and, well, wrong the first time, English is not my primary language. I`ll see if I can explain my thoughts better here.

    What bothers me about it is that it addresses a very specific theological definition of God, and people are using it rather liberally out of context.

    The quote refers to the logical extension of the God of the Gaps perspective; "if you define God as being in the unknown, you must be prepared to see him shrink due to science finding stuff out". It is a specific address to a specific definition, not a general statement about religion as a whole.
  31. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    madest: We need a law that only atheists can be on the science committee.

    Once again your stupidity ceases to amaze me. You claim to be a liberal, but wish to censor everyone else`s view but your own. You claim to be anti-war, yet champion Obama`s war efforts.

    I could spend a half-hour writing up all your contradictions, but it would do no good. You`re a dyed-in-the-wool democrat even when it`s not in your best interests to be.
  32. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36646 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    The US is the stupidest country on the planet.
    There are so many of these idiots walking around and
    we put them in positions of power. Maybe we deserve to
    be wiped out. Political Darwinism. Survival of the fittest,
    the countries able to adapt. We`re going backwards.
  33. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    @Gerry1of1 both Barry and Mittens profess to be some flavor of Christian or another. Guess they should go too. As I understand it, and I don`t profess that I do, China has an atheist government with atheist politicians. You could probably get a visa.

    Although "as recently as April 2011, police raided a gay bar in Shanghai and detained at least 60 of its patrons overnight."

    God probably told them to do it.
  34. Profile photo of Badenov
    Badenov Male 70 & Over
    257 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    What an engaging speaker! Those reindeer couldn`t take their eyes off him!
  35. Profile photo of CaptKangaroo
    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2343 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    And this whackadoodle has a hand in running the nation.
    I put forth the proposition that religious nuts of all the supersti- er, I mean faiths, be gathered up and transported to the middle of nowhere to duke it out amongst themselves. We then nuke the `winners`.
  36. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    @CaptKangaroo I repeat both Barry and Mittens profess to be Christians. See what I said earlier.
  37. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3359 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 7:49 pm
    CrakrJak: "Once again your stupidity ceases to amaze me."

    Yet, you people are the ones that claim we should accept a belief based on faith, yet you demand "proof" from us. Sorry....you lose.
  38. Profile photo of carmium
    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    October 6, 2012 at 11:52 pm
    You Americans are generally nice, good people who went to school. How and why do you tolerate this kind of idiocy in your government? If this was Canada (for example) he`d get his ass kicked out of caucus so fast it`d make his pea brain rattle around his skull.
  39. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
    14620 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 2:55 am
    What a sock cucker
  40. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
    14620 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 2:57 am
    Utter hogwash. First off science isn`t a `belief system` even though many substitute it for religion. Secondly, there are millions of scientists around the world that are from many different faiths. Thirdly, that sort of `all-or-nothing` attitude is what is really incompatible.`

    nah, all religion is self delusional and denies the truth
  41. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 4:24 am
    jtrebowski: I don`t demand that anyone "should accept a belief based on faith". I`m no evangelist, don`t really care what you believe.

    Defending one owns faith on IAB is not the same as forcing it on others. What you believe doesn`t concern me, as long it doesn`t include spreading falsehoods about my faith.

    carmium: If this was Canada (for example) he`d get his ass kicked out of caucus so fast it`d make his pea brain rattle around his skull.

    So you`re saying Canada doesn`t respect the right of an individual to their faith? I seriously doubt your claim.
  42. Profile photo of GolfPunk69
    GolfPunk69 Male 30-39
    58 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 4:52 am
    @CrakrJak: This guy isn`t representing an individual belief, he`s an elected official. And to purport being a scientist, suggest that the earth is about 9,000 years old and was built in 6 days, isn`t exercising a right to faith, it`s displaying a complete disregard for fact and borders the insane. Faith of this sort is an insult to my intelligence.

    Even the Vatican doesn`t have a stance this ridiculous on the origins of the earth.

    And I`d stand by carmium`s statement, if an elected Politian in NZ or Australia was filmed saying something this axiomatically stupid, they be laughed out of the houses of parliament, and likely asked to resign by their party leaders.
  43. Profile photo of mcboozerilla
    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
    646 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 8:29 am
    It never ceases to amaze me how one of the most technologically advanced countries in human history can be half completely ignorant and crazy.
  44. Profile photo of carmium
    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 11:27 am
    CrakrJak:
    Check the title: He`s a member of the the House SCIENCE Subcommittee. That`s inexcusable. We elect religious people all the time, but don`t put fundies in charge of science funding and development.
  45. Profile photo of ledzeppeloyd
    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
    2385 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 11:40 am
    sigh..... american for the lose
  46. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    Guess who else is on the same Science Committee as this guy? Todd Akin.
  47. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    @carmium No, you just have the head of a religion as your supreme ruler with the power to shut down your parliament.
  48. Profile photo of LordJim
    LordJim Male 60-69
    6924 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    He`s almost certainly lying. He knows full well that the universe is very old, and that the earth was not created a few thousand years ago. He`s shamelessly pandering to ignorance for political gain. It`s disgusting, but it seems to work.
  49. Profile photo of LordJim
    LordJim Male 60-69
    6924 posts
    October 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    To be fair, you can be as stupid as this in the UK and still hold significant political office. But only in N.I.
  50. Profile photo of Palfas
    Palfas Male 30-39
    411 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 10:08 am
    CrakrJak: No you f`ing mook. I`m saying you don`t get to mix your faith into science. GTFO and stay out.
  51. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 10:51 am
    @Palfas This article from Wikipedia might help you appear as less of a bigot. Oh and this , do I need to carry on.

Leave a Reply