House Science Subcommittee Member Denies Science

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Also, that"s a lot of dead deer.
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Male 884
@Palfas This article from Wikipedia might help you appear as less of a bigot. Oh and this , do I need to carry on.
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Male 411
CrakrJak: No you f`ing mook. I`m saying you don`t get to mix your faith into science. GTFO and stay out.
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Male 7,123
To be fair, you can be as stupid as this in the UK and still hold significant political office. But only in N.I.
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Male 7,123
He`s almost certainly lying. He knows full well that the universe is very old, and that the earth was not created a few thousand years ago. He`s shamelessly pandering to ignorance for political gain. It`s disgusting, but it seems to work.
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Male 884
@carmium No, you just have the head of a religion as your supreme ruler with the power to shut down your parliament.
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Male 3,445
Guess who else is on the same Science Committee as this guy? Todd Akin.
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Male 2,384
sigh..... american for the lose
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Female 6,381
CrakrJak:
Check the title: He`s a member of the the House SCIENCE Subcommittee. That`s inexcusable. We elect religious people all the time, but don`t put fundies in charge of science funding and development.
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Male 646
It never ceases to amaze me how one of the most technologically advanced countries in human history can be half completely ignorant and crazy.
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Male 58
@CrakrJak: This guy isn`t representing an individual belief, he`s an elected official. And to purport being a scientist, suggest that the earth is about 9,000 years old and was built in 6 days, isn`t exercising a right to faith, it`s displaying a complete disregard for fact and borders the insane. Faith of this sort is an insult to my intelligence.

Even the Vatican doesn`t have a stance this ridiculous on the origins of the earth.

And I`d stand by carmium`s statement, if an elected Politian in NZ or Australia was filmed saying something this axiomatically stupid, they be laughed out of the houses of parliament, and likely asked to resign by their party leaders.
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Male 17,511
jtrebowski: I don`t demand that anyone "should accept a belief based on faith". I`m no evangelist, don`t really care what you believe.

Defending one owns faith on IAB is not the same as forcing it on others. What you believe doesn`t concern me, as long it doesn`t include spreading falsehoods about my faith.

carmium: [quote]If this was Canada (for example) he`d get his ass kicked out of caucus so fast it`d make his pea brain rattle around his skull.[/quote]

So you`re saying Canada doesn`t respect the right of an individual to their faith? I seriously doubt your claim.
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Male 15,330
Utter hogwash. First off science isn`t a `belief system` even though many substitute it for religion. Secondly, there are millions of scientists around the world that are from many different faiths. Thirdly, that sort of `all-or-nothing` attitude is what is really incompatible.`

nah, all religion is self delusional and denies the truth
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Male 15,330
What a sock cucker
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Female 6,381
You Americans are generally nice, good people who went to school. How and why do you tolerate this kind of idiocy in your government? If this was Canada (for example) he`d get his ass kicked out of caucus so fast it`d make his pea brain rattle around his skull.
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Male 3,372
CrakrJak: "Once again your stupidity ceases to amaze me."

Yet, you people are the ones that claim we should accept a belief based on faith, yet you demand "proof" from us. Sorry....you lose.
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Male 884
@CaptKangaroo I repeat both Barry and Mittens profess to be Christians. See what I said earlier.
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Male 3,275
And this whackadoodle has a hand in running the nation.
I put forth the proposition that religious nuts of all the supersti- er, I mean faiths, be gathered up and transported to the middle of nowhere to duke it out amongst themselves. We then nuke the `winners`.
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Male 285
What an engaging speaker! Those reindeer couldn`t take their eyes off him!
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Male 884
@Gerry1of1 both Barry and Mittens profess to be some flavor of Christian or another. Guess they should go too. As I understand it, and I don`t profess that I do, China has an atheist government with atheist politicians. You could probably get a visa.

Although "as recently as April 2011, police raided a gay bar in Shanghai and detained at least 60 of its patrons overnight."

God probably told them to do it.
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Male 40,246

The US is the stupidest country on the planet.
There are so many of these idiots walking around and
we put them in positions of power. Maybe we deserve to
be wiped out. Political Darwinism. Survival of the fittest,
the countries able to adapt. We`re going backwards.
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Male 17,511
madest: [quote]We need a law that only atheists can be on the science committee.[/quote]

Once again your stupidity ceases to amaze me. You claim to be a liberal, but wish to censor everyone else`s view but your own. You claim to be anti-war, yet champion Obama`s war efforts.

I could spend a half-hour writing up all your contradictions, but it would do no good. You`re a dyed-in-the-wool democrat even when it`s not in your best interests to be.
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Male 5,094
markust123: Getting our own li`l private argument here. :)

Yes, I stated that somewhat fuzzy and, well, wrong the first time, English is not my primary language. I`ll see if I can explain my thoughts better here.

What bothers me about it is that it addresses a very specific theological definition of God, and people are using it rather liberally out of context.

The quote refers to the logical extension of the God of the Gaps perspective; "if you define God as being in the unknown, you must be prepared to see him shrink due to science finding stuff out". It is a specific address to a specific definition, not a general statement about religion as a whole.
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Male 884
does-->do
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Male 884
No. I hope you understand that the observable universe is the theoretical limit of all we can ever know about the universe given our current understanding of physics. We can never, never ever know anything about what lies beyond this.

This is a respected scientific model, and it places us smack bang at the center of the universe.

Why, where abouts does you place us, and what shape do you believe the universe to have that allows you to place us somewhere else in it?

Science clearly needs your help on this one.
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Male 701
The Bible never gives a specific date to how old the Earth is, it has been partially derived from adding up all the ages of the people who lived in the Bible from Adam and Eve up. Of course `every person" is not listed. Personally I wouldn`t get my idea of how old the Earth is from a story that involves creating people from ribs and talking snakes.
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Male 5,200
"By at least one scientific definition the earth is the center of the universe"

I sure hope you were trying to be funny.
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Male 884
@Rick_S So from this I can take it that you think only those who approve of GM crops should be allowed to discuss the laws governing GM crops?

Or perhaps that only those who think fossil fuels are a good thing should only be able to comment on our fossil fuel use.

Frankly, I doubt this man can tie his shoelaces without help. That does not mean that a committee can`t benefit from his first amendment right to have his views on the matter heard.

I find the "ban it" mentality really offensive. He is open to ridicule. He is open to not being voted for (my personal preference), but to say that he shouldn`t be allowed or should self-censor, which amounts to the same thing, is morally wrong.

No *insert group you don`t agree with here* allowed. More than one person has made this suggestion.

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Male 884
By at least one scientific definition the earth is the center of the universe

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Male 3,343
I understand that you have a religious point of view, and you`re entitled to that, and I respect that. But if your point of view is contradictory to your position in government, you need to do the right thing and step down from it.

So, if you are a Christian who doesn`t believe in science, you shouldn`t be on a science committee. The same way that someone like Neil DeGrasse Tyson shouldn`t be on a religious committee.

I`m not saying one view is right or wrong, btw. I`m just saying that if you hold view a, don`t be on a committee that is supposed to support view b, which is contradictory to view a.
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Male 5,200
"It is more of a response to a definition of God than an actual statement to God`s nonexistence."

Even with the whole context you missed the point. What he stated has nothing to do with the existence of God or the definition of God. It has to do with science disproving inaccurate "facts" that were attributed to God, for instance that the earth was thought of as the center of the universe.
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Male 884
"We need a law that only atheists can be on the science committee. We`re living the alternative with tards like this in control."

I`d pay good money to see you say that in a mosque or at a holocaust remembrance.
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Male 7,378
We need a law that only atheists can be on the science committee. We`re living the alternative with tards like this in control.
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Male 5,094
markust123: That`s actually a misquote, the full one reads something like this:

[quote]"if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it? Is that how you want to play this game? [...] If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem."[/quote]

It is more of a response to a definition of God than an actual statement to God`s nonexistence.
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Male 4,745
CrakrJak:
"that sort of `all-or-nothing` attitude is what is really incompatible."
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I disagree. If you are going to follow a religion, based on a book, you can`t only believe parts of that book. If you do, you are not being true to the religion and - according to said book - will suffer the agonies of burning in Hell for all of eternity. You either do what the Bible says and believe what the Bible says or you find another religion that you can follow that you are willing to buy into, fully.

The Bible makes claims about who we are and where we came from, that completely counter science`s explanations. There is no picking and choosing your favourite parts. You are either part of the intelligent folks who are able to drop the voodoo or you are part of the group that will forever be lost in a world that is moving away from 2000 year old myths and fairy tails and moving into a new age of understanding and logic.
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Male 2,711
His constituents should fire him. He is a disgrace to the concept of "science."
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Male 3,445
`Utter hogwash. First off science isn`t a `belief system` even though many substitute it for religion. Secondly, there are millions of scientists around the world that are from many different faiths. Thirdly, that sort of `all-or-nothing` attitude is what is really incompatible.`

Another one of those rare instances where I agree with Crakrjak. There really is no disagreement between science and religion at their cores. They both seek a different type of truth. The conflict comes from religious individuals who ultimately fail to see the point the originators of their faith were attempting to make about inner truth, and who used metaphors that employ the outer world to make their spiritual points.

Unfortunately, these individuals are often the people who run the religions today. And to make matters worse, this view makes many non-theists suspicious of the motives of religion, and thus, conflict ensues.
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Female 2,674
patchouly, every Christian has to ignore parts of the bible due to contradictions anyway. They can still be Christians despite not believing the bible completely, understanding that it was written by men and some of it may not apply today and such. Maybe other Christians or atheists will say they`re wrong but there`s many different sects of Christianity for a reason.
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Male 5,314
so much dumb in one room
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Male 5,200
"God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that`s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on," NDT
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Male 5,200
"I don`t even mind... I don`t even care... If someone wants to say you don`t understand that, God did it. That doesn`t even bother me. What would bother me is if you were so content in that answer that you no longer had curiosity to learn how it happened. The day you stop looking because you`re content God did it, I don`t need you in the lab. You`re useless... on the frontier of understanding the nature of the world." NDT
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Male 17,511
patchouly: [quote]You can not believe in both, no matter how much you want to.[/quote]

Utter hogwash. First off science isn`t a `belief system` even though many substitute it for religion. Secondly, there are millions of scientists around the world that are from many different faiths. Thirdly, that sort of `all-or-nothing` attitude is what is really incompatible.

I`m sure this guy doesn`t doubt Newtonian physics, calculus, chemistry or biology. So please quit acting as if he is.
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Male 4,745
drips:
"Even the Vatican says that the Big Bang origin of the universe isn`t incompatible with their beliefs."
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That`s where I have the real problem. The Vatican can say what ever it wants, but science and religion don`t mix. They conflict. You can not believe in both, no matter how much you want to. If you believe in science, you are ignoring some of the fact, written in the bible. If you are ignoring some of the facts, written in the Bible, then you aren`t following the Bible and can`t be religious...Well, can`t be Christian, anyway. If you choose to believe in both, you are clearly an Atheist that is afraid to let go because of the brainwashing you were subject to, as you grew up. If that`s the case, please sit down and re-scrutinize why you believe what you do. If you can`t make that leap, there is no help for you and you are a lost cause. One of the ones that gets left behind as the rest of the world begins to advance.
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Male 7,378
A dumb republican?!?!? Shocking!
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Male 904
Even the Vatican says that the Big Bang origin of the universe isn`t incompatible with their beliefs.
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Female 1,515
Lol @ claiming he is a scientist.
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Male 4,745
It amazes me, in this day and age, that someone can be so stupid. What is his IQ, 12? I just don`t understand how people this dumb can exist on a day to day basis. Are these the same people that used to have "12:00" flashing on their VCRs because they couldn`t figure out how to set the time by pressing the "menu" button?
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Male 1,196
I don`t understand how a need for a savior makes science false
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Male 3,445
I kept hoping one of those deer would fall on him.
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Male 1,442
Deer behind, sheep infront.
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Male 3,445
Link: House Science Subcommittee Member Denies Science [Rate Link] - Also, that`s a lot of dead deer.
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