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70 Responses to History Repeats! Is Obama A Jimmy Carter 2.0?

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 19, 2012 at 9:53 am
    Link: History Repeats! Is Obama A Jimmy Carter 2.0? - Barack Obama is channeling his inner ``Jimmy Carter`` eh? US voters: Lets party like it`s 1980!!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:00 am
    If he really was then maybe he could finish what Jimmy started (and abandoned) and get you guys into the 21st century with the metric system.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:03 am
    And after Reagan was elected, the national debt tripled, income inequality shot up and unemployment skyrocketed. So do we WANT history to repeat itself?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:08 am
    Reagan: 10 months of unemployment above 10%. That makes Obama`s 1 month above 10% look pretty good no?

    Reagan: Tripled the national debt. That makes Obama`s 50% look pretty good no?

    Reagan: Raised taxes 11 times. That makes Obama`s 0 tax raises look pretty good no?

    I know you guys like to have your Reagan colored glasses on, but the stats just do not back it up.
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    YANKmyDOODLE Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:10 am
    and romney wants trickle down economics just like reagan..
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:14 am
    Yup, criticizing tax cuts for the rich is fear mongering.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:18 am
    Nobody praised Reagan until he was dead. The policies of a man afflicted with Alzheimer`s while in office were regarded as failure until he died. But now that he is dead everyone wants to boast about trickle down economics and paint Reagan as a great president which could never happen while he was alive.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:28 am
    How did I know this would be 5Cats? Was it the Jimmy Carter comparison, or the "eh"?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:31 am
    If Mitt Romney governs anything like Ronald Reagan, we can expect plenty of tax hikes.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:36 am
    unmercyfuldu

    "Nobody praised Reagan until he was dead."

    Gotta disagree with you here. Maybe you are too young to remember, but conservatives have been fellating Reagan the whole time.

    He won 49 out of 50 states on re-election. You can`t argue with his popularity.

    Hell, Washington National Airport was named Reagan National in 1998 when he was very much still alive.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 10:41 am
    Reagan began the complete and total takeover of this country by the top 10%. Here is a chart on income inequality:

    tinyurl.com/8uv85u5

    For 40 years the top 10% made below 35% of the income. Then the chart begins to skyrocket in 1980 when Reagan takes office.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:10 am
    More 5Cats drivel? He`s not a Jimmy Carter because he`s about to be re-elected in a landslide. You need a Canadian hobby. I suggest igloo building. Our election is our business. Mind yours.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:26 am
    That makes Obama`s 0 tax raises look pretty good no?

    FATCA + Obamacare + Cigarette taxes = 3 times

    Tripled the national debt. That makes Obama`s 50% look pretty good no?

    Obama still outspends Reagan in absolute terms.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:30 am
    Then the chart begins to skyrocket in 1980 when Reagan takes office.

    Considering that it continues to increase while Clinton`s in office, (and unemployment also went down under his term) wealth inequality in America is not a problem that needs to be "fixed".
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:32 am
    "because he`s about to be re-elected in a landslide."

    HA! HAHA! HAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Wait wait. I`m sorry. Let me compose myself.

    HAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHA!

    Romney is ahead in Popular AND Electoral count sir. This factors in the latest poll, after the latest debate.

    Landslide? Nigga please.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:42 am
    Cajun247

    "FATCA + Obamacare + Cigarette taxes = 3 times"

    OK. Allow me to be more specific, no income tax increases.

    Perhaps. However Reagan was not handed two wars that weren`t paid for, a giant national debt accumulating interest, revenue deficits due to tax cuts from the previous administration, and a rapidly accelerating recession. Agreed?

    If you don`t mind me asking, who are you voting for? I know you support Gary Johnson, but are you actually voting for him? If so, who would you pick between Obama and Romney if you had to pick one?

    See Libertarians are weird. I most closely identify Libertarin, but I find Democrats represent my stances better than Republicans. Many Libertarians think Republicans do a better job.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:46 am
    `Romney is ahead in Popular AND Electoral count sir. This factors in the latest poll, after the latest debate.`

    Romney is not "ahead" in the electoral vote. That 206-201 measurement is not factoring in the toss up states, where if you factor in current polls, Obama has a sizable electoral lead.

    The fact is, nobody should expect a landslide either way in the popular vote. BUT, it`s entirely possible that Obama will win the electoral college by a wide margine. If Romney wins, he will have to squeak out an electoral college victory, because he`s currently behind in several key swing states.

    Nobody should be gloating over polls right now. They`re too close to call, and national polls mean almost nothing at this point.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:49 am
    AJ

    I agree with you that it won`t be a lnadslide. However I`d steer clear or RCP if I were you. They were founded as a pro-Conservative pro-Christian outlet. An alternative to the "liberal" media.

    CNN currently has the electoral count at 237 for Obama and 191 for Romney.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:53 am
    @HolyGod: I know that. They compile all the pollsters into one source. CNN is it`s own poll, and is represented on RCP.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    Or at least I thought it was. ABC is there. Gallup is there. They`re both liberal leaning.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    Aj

    Ya. I have no problem with the polls. I`m talking about the electoral map. I didn`t see sources for that. I might have missed it though.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    Their electoral map is based on the popular vote polls from each state, compiled by multiple services from both sides of the aisle.

    Scroll down lol.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    If so, who would you pick between Obama and Romney if you had to pick one?

    Romney as I`m more likely to agree with him on the issues (assuming he doesn`t flip flop again).
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    October 19, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    What a bunch of horsesheet! The ONLY thing this illustrates is that the Republicans haven`t changed tactics and are still pushing the same tired old crap.

    auburnjunky: Try using a slightly less partisan reference, eh?
    270towin has it 201-191
    CNN has it 237-191
    Princeton University has it 243-191
    And ElectoralVote predicts a 286-239 result.
    So keep on laughing, if only to keep from crying. Aren`t you one of the Repugs who didn`t like Romney at all (until he was the last man standing
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 1:04 pm
    @ HolyGod: You are cherry picking data and only reporting on parts of it.

    You argument fails immediately because it is incomplete and out of context.

    Reagan`s overall econimic and national defense plans worked. Look at the growth that started in the 1980`s and continued to blossom even through the Clinton years as the internet exploded.

    After years of a democratically controlled congress during the latter half of the Bush years the debt has skyrocked and the leftists still blame Bush for THIER actions. (read: significant increases to the debt passed by Democrats and castration of our military because lefties think war should be kind)

    Obama has campained oduring his entire tenure at our expense, accrued more debt than any other president in history, has created a worse economy due over regulation and crony capitalism. Yes, I realize the timing of the Gulf oil rig accident is conveniently timed with George Soros buyin PetroBras. 12 men died f
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    I am not a Romney Fan. I would rather see Ron Paul tek over. UNder Ron Paul, we would increase personal freedom and temper it with personal responsibility. Stop being the police of the world and take the hit we deserve to take so our children and grandchildren don`t have to do it for us.

    We are selling out on our current and future decendants for partisan politics because the people in this country are self centered and don`t have the balls to stand up for what is right.

    Romney is the better choice, not the right choice. Life is hard, I have my helmet. I will fight for my children`s future while gladly suffering on their behalf. I will take care of my parents when they are old as they took care of me while I was young.

    Americans need to wake up and focus on the problem, not just the symptoms.
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    Keegan31 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    Sorry, Reps. You lost this election the moment you didn`t nominate Ron Paul. You had your shot and blew it. You have my sympathies.

    If you honestly think Romney has a chance, you`re delusional. Really no point in arguing over it, just wait till election time and then give me my kudos.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    Agreed?

    I only contend the notion of viewing tax cuts as expenses as it somehow suggests that wealth belongs to government first, which it doesn`t. The Laffer curve isn`t a joke either, if certain taxes were lowered/removed there would be more revenue as higher earners would be more likely to report their income. SPENDING is always and ONLY expense.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 1:40 pm
    After years of a democratically controlled congress during the latter half of the Bush years the debt has skyrocked and the leftists still blame Bush for THIER actions. (read: significant increases to the debt passed by Democrats and castration of our military because lefties think war should be kind)

    To be fair:
    NCLB, MediCare expansion, Farm and infrastructure subsidies all passed during a REPUBLICAN congress.
    While Democrats did pass some laws Bush deserves blame for NOT VETOING them.
    There are certainly programs and "assets" we can cut without crippling our military.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 19, 2012 at 1:50 pm
    How did I know this would be 5Cats? Was it the Jimmy Carter comparison, or the "eh"?
    @FP: It was the "eh" eh? :-) It`s a dead give-away...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    He`s not a Jimmy Carter because he`s about to be re-elected in a landslide.

    I see madest is still delusional as usual.

    Hey, that even ryhmes.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    AJ

    I agree with you that it won`t be a lnadslide. However I`d steer clear or RCP if I were you. They were founded as a pro-Conservative pro-Christian outlet. An alternative to the "liberal" media.

    CNN currently has the electoral count at 237 for Obama and 191 for Romney.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    CHANGE IN JOBS
    Worst point 2009: -818,000
    Today: +114,000
    Source: tinyurl.com/3non4n6

    AVERAGE HOURLY EARNINGS
    Worst point 2009: $22.03
    Today: $23.58
    Source: tinyurl.com/9tu5d8r

    EMPLOYED PEOPLE:
    Worst point 2009: 129,319,000
    Today: 133,500,000
    Source: tinyurl.com/6tsspgz

    MEDIAN HOME LIST PRICE
    Worst point 2009: $205,100
    Today: $256,000
    Source: tinyurl.com/cddzufx

    GDP per capita 2009: $45,192
    GDP per capita 2010: $46,702
    GDP per capita 2011: $48,442
    tinyurl.com/y5tfwwd

    Projected GDP for 2012: $15.72 T
    tinyurl.com/m7z9ag

    Current US population: 311.59 M
    GDP per capita 2012: $50,450
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    UNEMPLOYMENT
    Worst point 2009: 10%
    Today: 7.8%
    Source: tinyurl.com/9g6gek4

    GDP
    Worst point 2009: $13.85 Trillion
    Today: $15.83 Trillion
    Source: tinyurl.com/8nmusfn

    NEW HOME BUILDS
    Worst point 2009: 478,000
    Today: 750,000
    Source: tinyurl.com/d32lag8

    HOME PURCHASES
    Worst point 2009: 4.49 Million (seasonally adjusted annual rate)
    Today: 4.82 Million (seasonally adjusted annual rate)
    Source: tinyurl.com/8eqa2ts

    NASDAQ
    Worst point 2009: 1293
    Today: 3136
    Source: tinyurl.com/8a96afo (change to 5yr)

    DOW
    Worst point 2009: 6,626
    Today: 13,610
    Source: tinyurl.com/455lbcj (change to 5yr)
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 3:19 pm
    Insane ai

    "@ HolyGod: You are cherry picking data and only reporting on parts of it. "

    I`m not cherry picking. I have lots of economic indicators that are WAY better today than at the height of the recession in Obama`s first 9 months.

    Here they are again:
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    I`ll put forth my challenge again. Someone give me 5 economic indicators, other than the debt, that are worse today than during their worst point in 2009.

    They must be actual data, as I have provided.
    They must have links, as I have provided.
    They must be legitimate economic indicators, for example gas and food prices are NOT economic indicators.

    I have put this out there several times.

    Nobody has answered it, not MeGrendel, or Ollie, or 5Cats, or CrakrJak, or AJ, or anyone else.

    If you can`t come up with 5 simple facts HOW can you complain about what Obama has done with the economy?
  37. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    You were cherry picking when it came to the Reagan admin.

    Perhaps Reagan did triple the debt, but Reagan left office with 55% of GDP. Obama has managed to take it up to 97%.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm
    HG: 2009 was the height of the recession. Things couldn`t have got much worse without a total economic collapse.

    This is not a recovery, it`s a wreck. Even the great depression was recovering faster than this.

    The fact is Obama made promises he didn`t keep.

    Obama said healthcare costs would be lower, they are higher.
    Obama said he`d lower the deficit, he raised it $5 Trillion.
    Obama said unemployment would be back down to 5.4%, it`s 7.8%
    Obama said he`d have the most transparent presidency ever, Instead we get cover-ups.
    Obama said he`d add 5 million more energy jobs, not even close.

    I could fill pages with these broken promises.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    Cajun247

    "Obama has managed to take it up to 97%."

    Come on. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, and Obama did that. Give credit where credit is due.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 4:01 pm
    HG: Obama took it from $10 trillion to $16 trillion and he wants another $4 trillion.

    Sorry, but that`s going to sink us as a nation, we can`t afford another 4 years of Obama.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 4:02 pm
    Cajun247

    "Obama has managed to take it up to 97%."

    Come on. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, and Obama did that. Give credit where credit is due.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm
    Jimmy Carter didn`t drink or smoke. Sounds a bit like Mitt Romney!
  43. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 4:16 pm
    Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, and Obama did that

    Not as %GDP they did.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    As for your unemployment numbers it isn`t really good news if consider the labor participation rate
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    Cajun: Also more people have applied for disability, More people are on food stamps, More people are underemployed, Gas prices are up and families are about to get hit with $2500 in extra insurance costs.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    Totally with you on those counts CrakrJak
    :-)
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 4:42 pm
    CrakrJak

    "more people have applied for disability"

    HUH? It is Obama`s fault people are disabled? Is it Obama`s fault you are disabled?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2012 at 4:50 pm
    It is Obama`s fault people are disabled? Is it Obama`s fault you are disabled?

    Due to the broad nature of the program, people who have an eligible "disability" apply even though they are otherwise capable of holding a job.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    HG: I was injured and applied for it before GW Bush left office. That`s another swing and a miss for you.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 6:10 pm
    CrakrJak

    "That`s another swing and a miss for you."

    Huh? That proves my point. You got on disability under Bush. So is that Bush`s fault? HOW is more people being disabled the president`s fault?

    So you`ve been on disability for over 4 years? And you rail against government programs? Come on man. That is incredible hypocrisy. You used up what you contributed a LONG time ago and have since been living off the government teat.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    The creators of this video went full retard.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    HG: Most of the people applying for disability now have exhausted their unemployment and turn to it for financial relief. I applied before the economic downturn and because of injury, not from the loss of an unemployment check.

    I haven`t `railed against` SS or disability.

    Besides, what I contributed was spent on those before me. There was never any private account for me to `use up`.

    Apparently you have no idea how the system works.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 6:29 pm
    CrakrJak

    "There was never any private account for me to `use up`. Apparently you have no idea how the system works."

    I know that. I mean you have used up more than you have contributed. That`s all. I mean someone who went on short term disability could claim they had paid into the system and now they were utilizing their share. You have used WAY more than your share.

    I`ve never taken any disability, unemployment, or welfare from the government. However I`m glad it is there for people like you.

    What if one of the cuts Romney wanted to make was cutting disability would you still vote for him?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 6:37 pm
    HG: "What if..."

    Romney has made no such proposal. However Obama is taking 716 Billion dollars away from Medicare to pay for Obamacare, that does concern me.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    CrakrJak

    "Romney has made no such proposal."

    No s.hit. He hasn`t made much of a proposal at all. He is going to cut taxes by $5T and add $2T to defense. There would have to be a whole lot of cuts for him to pay for that, let alone REDUCE the debt. Cutting PBS and Obamacare certainly aren`t going to do it. He hasn`t said anything else that I`ve heard.

    "However Obama is taking 716 Billion dollars away from Medicare to pay for Obamacare, that does concern me."

    This is a talking point that has been repeated ad nauseum. Read up.

    tinyurl.com/8n5j7y6
    tinyurl.com/bvsg26b
    tinyurl.com/dxmheat

    "It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to"


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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    It is absolutely amazing to me that anyone who has been on disability since the Bush administration feels he has the right to lecture other people on government benefits, not because I don`t think you have a right to be on said benefits, but because you of all people ought to know what it`s like to need them.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 8:34 pm
    My prediction is an Obama win - 281 to 257.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    Out of the swing states I think Romney will take Colorado, Florida, North Carolina and Virginia. Obama will take New Hampshire, Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin and the Latinos will give him Nevada. Although Obama could take Virginia - unemployment is low and the African-American vote could be strong.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 19, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    On October 20, the CBS-New York Times poll has Carter beating Reagan by 43-41. On October 25, ABC-Harris has Reagan ahead by three points at 45-42. However, Gallup reports the next day that Carter is ahead 45-42. On October 27, CBS-New York Times has Carter ahead 42-39. On October 30, the Washington Post has Carter ahead by 43-39. The CBS-New York Times poll of November 1, 1980 shows some Reagan movement as the race reaches the wire, with the governor inching ahead 44-43, well within the margin of error. Gallup has Reagan up by three points that day. Finally, on election eve, November 3, 1980, the New York Times headlines this story by Adam Clymer: "Reagan and Carter Stand Nearly Even in Last Polls."

    The actual vote took place on November 4. Ronald Reagan received 51 percent of the vote, Carter a paltry 41 percent. It was landslide.
    And yet we still give credence to polls. When will we ever learn?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 19, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    Nearly all the polls have oversampled Dems even more than the 2008 turnout, which is not likely to be repeated. They are being purposefully deceitful for a reason -- to help with Obama`s fundraising and depress Romney`s. Big contributors want to back the winner so they can benefit from the graft and kickbacks afterwards. (Remember Solyndra? $500K in contributions got them $500M in loan guarantees. That`s a 1000:1 payoff.) But if you think a candidate is going to lose, there`s no reason to contribute to his campaign.

    However, in the final weeks, when it`s too late for campaign bucks to make a difference, the polls are starting to move toward Romney. Do you seriously think all these people are changing their minds now? Have any of you? They want to call the race as accurately as possible on election day to bolster their credibility. They will claim that they were right all along, and that you were the ones that changed.

    Yeah, sure.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:15 pm
    HG: So you point to two opinion pieces and a blog?

    Pretty weak, but of note is the `Rolls back payments to hospitals and insurers.` part. Do you really understand what that means?

    That means the government says, "We aren`t going to pay our bills to hospitals or insurers". That`s right, the government is just going to bounce that check. Do you know what the repercussions of that will do? That will result in less quality of care for medicare patients.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2012 at 11:35 pm
    markust: I believe the electoral votes will be closer to Romney 305 - Obama 233.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 20, 2012 at 2:19 am
    Hahaha! All the butt-hurting liberals are scrambling about for any shred of Hope (& Change one presumes)!!!

    Just like the Pink Floyd song: "Forward he cried/from the rear/ and the front rank died..."

    @HG: They provided 5 indicators, you be wrong son.

    Also you have a long history (here at IAB) of cherry-picking. You just move the goalposts to suit your opinion on a regular basis. Still claiming Bush is responsible for the ONLY BUDGET OBAMA EVER SIGNED in 2009? Pa-thetic!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 20, 2012 at 9:21 am
    "Also you have a long history (here at IAB) of cherry-picking. You just move the goalposts to suit your opinion on a regular basis. Still claiming Bush is responsible for the ONLY BUDGET OBAMA EVER SIGNED in 2009? Pa-thetic!"

    Are you f*cking kidding me. I remember a post a while back where HolyGod was able to get through that thick head of yours and you admitted he was right that the Federal Fiscal budget of the last president does extend into September of the new presidents first year. The fereral budget is from October to September. Link
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 20, 2012 at 9:58 am
    ...the Federal Fiscal budget of the last president does extend into September of the new presidents first year.
    You conveniently omit the *FACT* that Obama and the Democrats tacked the $800 billion stimulus onto the FY 2009 budget *AFTER* Bush had left office.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3889 posts
    October 20, 2012 at 11:38 am
    "You conveniently omit the *FACT* that Obama and the Democrats tacked the $800 billion stimulus onto the FY 2009 budget *AFTER* Bush had left office."

    And you conveniently omit the fact that only $108 Billion of the stimulous was spent during FY 2009. In January 2009 the CBO estimated that the 2009 FY deficit (Oct 2008 through Sep 2009) would be $1.2 T. It ended up to be $1.4 T so yes the stimulus added $108 Billion to an already outrageous deficit, but it did not add $800 Billion like you are trying to trick people into thinking.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3889 posts
    October 20, 2012 at 11:40 am
    "Still claiming Bush is responsible for the ONLY BUDGET OBAMA EVER SIGNED in 2009? Pa-thetic!"

    Funny how the Republicans filibustered all the other budgets except the one Bush submitted. A budget that was projected to produce a deficit of $1.2 T. Where was the outrage from the conservatives then?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    markust: Bullsh|t sir! The house republicans passed budgets and Harry Reid in the senate would not let them even come up for a vote. Harry Reid (D) of Nevada, has been the stumbling block here. Reid has been blocking everything the republicans have tried to do since 2010.
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
    379 posts
    October 21, 2012 at 9:55 am
    well it is pretty establishment in here.
    "you`re wrong!"
    "Nuh-uh, YOU`RE wrong!"
    "Psh! you the one who`s wrong, and STUPID!"
    "Gah, yeah right, YOU`RE stupid and wrong."

    how bout this... how about we all wake up and realize that both sides are playing us for fools?

    here`s the TRUTH: you`re all wrong. if you support EITHER ONE of these ass clowns YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
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    Palfas Male 30-39
    411 posts
    October 22, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    crakr.

    Yes opinions and blogs to counter your worthless argument. If you actually look at the plan your self, you will see the money is still going to where it should be, health care for those same people who would have benefited from it under medicare/aid.

    Hell yeah cut payments to the insurers and for-profit hospitals. Fark those guys. They`re going to take it and like it, or they wont get the business. Collective bargaining baby.

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