Here We Go Again: Obama Vs Mitt: Round 3 [LIVE!]

Submitted by: fancylad 4 years ago in

OK, I-A-B, we"re on. Obama vs. Romney. Comment in the forum!
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Male 9,732
Crakr

"Because they were two separate sentences...". "

Hahahaha. f.uck me sideways you are hilarious. OK. that is just the transcription. It was spoken. Here, I will fix it.

"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916, well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed."

THERE a comma instead of a period.
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Male 2,694
No, talking down to your opponent and suggesting in so many words that he has no clue about these things called ships and that how wars are fought has changed a bit is "borderline retarded. 1"







1:markust in this very thread.


I wouldn`t want to be accused of plagiarism again.

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Male 4,999
"I submit a few numbers and this mental midget calls it plagiarism. "

I`ll just plagiarize myself in my response DromEd,

It`s called a zinger you idiot. Trying to look at this technically just makes you and Fox News look incredibly petty and borderline retarded.
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Male 4,999
I see you have changed your stance a sixth time on this, "Because they were two separate sentences...". Are you going for a new record for deceit? I`m rooting for 10 changes in stance.

"He pulled that comment out of his ass and it`s not based in fact."

It`s called a zinger you idiot. Trying to look at this technically just makes you and Fox News look incredibly petty and borderline retarded.
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Male 2,694
I submit a few numbers and this mental midget calls it plagiarism.

You want to talk about that ask the VP.
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Male 10,855
I actually have to side with HolyGod on this issue regarding "horses and bayonets". While Obama hasn`t been a very good president, he is right on this particular note. The fact that SpecOps are using horses in the Afghan is simply a highly unusual circumstance. Once we`ve removed our troops from the region, our troops will simply go back to using HMMWVs and ATVs, as they can do more with less fuel and don`t have a will of their own.
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Male 17,511
HG: Because they were two separate sentences and that Obama obviously has no idea that our special forces are still using horses, increasingly, in Afghanistan.

How can you not realize that Obama is a SCOAMF?
He pulled that comment out of his ass and it`s not based in fact.

This is what happens when a politician thinks politics is a game and thinks he needs a slam dunk. Sorry, but he bounced that one off the back rim, perhaps he should stick to playing golf.
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Male 4,999
Ha ha. I was wrong. You plagiarized from Breitbart.

Lets see how your plagiarism stacked up:
You: "In early 1916 armed forces were around 100,000 men but plans to double that amount were in the works."
Breitbart: Some users on Twitter have claimed that, by virtue of the USMC still using bayonets, there actually are more bayonets in use than 1916, when the army had between 100,000 and 140,000 enlisted members."

You: "In 2010 The USMC had about 203,000 men with another 40,000 in reserve."
Breidbart: "As of 2010, the Corps boasted 203,000 active duty members and 40,000 reserve marines.
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Male 4,999
"Oh yeah...and markust....go back and listen to Kennedy`s speeches about the economy and jobs and tell me who today sounds more like the man. Hint, it ain`t PBO."

Really, you turned my comment about having a "You are no Jack Kennedy" moment into me comparing Obama to Kennedy? Really, that is what you have done? That is an amazing amount of spin. Even Fox News would be proud of that achievement, although I see in your comment one earlier that you are repeating the Fox News spin on the horses and bayonets so maybe you are just repeating their garbage on this one also.
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Male 2,694
Oh yeah...and markust....go back and listen to Kennedy`s speeches about the economy and jobs and tell me who today sounds more like the man. Hint, it ain`t PBO.
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Male 2,694
In early 1916 armed forces were around 100,000 men but plans to double that amount were in the works.

In 2010 The USMC had about 203,000 men with another 40,000 in reserve. From what I can gather every Marine is trained to use a bayonet.



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Male 4,999
"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed."

When clips from Presidential debates are shown in the future that is the only line from this year that will be shown. There were a few other good lines this year but nothing as memorable as that. Romney was bitch slapped and bitch slapped good. It was the "You are no Jack Kennedy" moment that both sides were looking for.
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Male 9,732
DromEd and CrakrJak

Yes they are using horses in Afghanistan. Yes the Marines still use bayonets, even if mostly symbolically. If Obama said "we don`t have bayonets or horse anymore than you guys are absolutely correct."

However the quote is:

"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed."

How can you not read that and not get that he was saying we have fewer bayonets and horses than we did in 1916 which is so completely true.

This is not open to interpretation. This is not debatable. Stop being partisan and use common sense.
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Male 2,694
That whole "we have these things called etc. ...." PBO taking the low road. Made himself look petty not presidential. Plus he wasn`t even really on the mark with the horses and bayonets line, proving further he`s not as up to date as he thinks he is.
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Male 17,511
markust: Photoshopped rifles in your picture, rather obvious too.

As I noted before special forces in Afghanistan have increased their use of horses there and our troops still train with bayonets(K-bars).
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Male 4,999
"Actually in 2012 the Democrats lost twice as many voters"

I think that just shows that Obama is not getting the huge number of young voters this time around. The number sited in your link is people registering as Republican or Democrat not how many people have left the party.
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Male 4,999
"...the number one complaint I`ve seen is regarding spending."

That`s what I said, he`s moved too far to the right. Ha ha.
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Male 10,855
[quote]From the looks of things Obama is starting to reduce war spending.[/quote]

By the same token Bush Sr. also started reducing defense spending.
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Male 2,357
[quote]The liberals number one complaint about Obama is he is not liberal enough, that he`s moved to far to the right.[/quote]
Perhaps; I really don`t have any studies to back it up. I do know that, from my own discussions with many self-identified liberals here in Wisconsin, the number one complaint I`ve seen is regarding spending. After that, I`ve heard some dismay about the "antics" being played.

Then again, we went through the whole "Recall Walker" pity party so that may have had something to do with it.
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Male 10,855
Actually in 2012 the Democrats lost twice as many voters
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Male 4,999
Cajun247, your chart highlights how out of control conservative war spending is. The two low points were Carter and Clinton. From the looks of things Obama is starting to reduce war spending.
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Male 10,855
[quote]How can you vote republican because they line up most closely with your economic ideals when they DON`T in practice, only in theory?[/quote]

Rightfully I don`t, but I think it`s just as crazy if you vote for someone who`s going to adamantly push for any program even after a battery of studies and history lessons show that they`re simply going to not work and just contribute to an increasing debt.
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Male 4,999
"I think it would be interesting to see the number of Democrats and Republicans who has "left" their parties for an independent party over the last four years. My guess is that it is about the same for both."

I don`t think it would be. The liberals number one complaint about Obama is he is not liberal enough, that he`s moved to far to the right. Take health care reform for example. He folded when faced with the drug companies opposition and gave them a special plan. The worst was he didn`t fight hard enough for the Public Option.
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Male 10,855
This a better chart actually:
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Male 2,357
[quote">Military spending is down under Obama proving your theory wrong.[/quote">
Since when?

[quote">The Republican party hasn`t been the same since they were taken over by the Christians.[/quote">
Indeed. I think it would be interesting to see the number of Democrats and Republicans who has "left" their parties for an independent party over the last four years. My guess is that it is about the same for both.
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Male 9,732
Cajun247

"It`s a funny thing really libertarians agree with liberals on social issues. Libertarians agree with conservatives on fiscal/economic issues."

I identify myself more with libertarians than anyone else. I align more with the liberal platform on social issues and the conservative platform on economic issues.

I used to vote republican because I felt the economic issues affected me more. However I realized something, liberals MEAN what they say on social issues and follow through. Conservatives only have fiscal responsibility during election season. Look at history. Reagan, Bush, and Bush 2 ALL raised the debt and grew the government. If Romney is elected he will to. SO I started voting the party that ACTUALLY follows their platform, because at least I know what I`m getting.

How can you vote republican because they line up most closely with your economic ideals when they DON`T in practice, only in theory?
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Male 7,378
Military spending is down under Obama proving your theory wrong.
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Male 4,999

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Male 10,855
[quote]So you agree with Obama and are therefore a supporter I assume.[/quote]


On THAT issue yes, but I`m still not a supporter. Just part of the 6% of the time I do agree with him. I support Gary Johnson. On top of which I seriously doubt Obama`s sincerity on reducing military spending (as HumanAction implies). So no your assumption is wrong.
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Male 4,999
"I think the reason we are seeing a spike in Libertarian beliefs is that many former conservatives are becoming disenfranchised by the recent attempts to dictate social morality as well as straying from fiscal conservatism. Similarly, many liberals are also disenfranchised by the fiscal irresponsibility of their colleagues."

This is also the reason for the growing number of independents. The Republican party hasn`t been the same since they were taken over by the Christians.
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Male 7,378
[quote]My problem with the notion is that we shouldn`t be giving The Navy more ships simply because they say they need it. That would just encourage serious misallocation of resources, because no one dared to vet the Navy`s request.[/quote] ------------
So you agree with Obama and are therefore a supporter I assume.
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Male 10,855
[quote]My point wasn`t about the horse or the bayonets[/quote]


My problem with the notion is that we shouldn`t be giving The Navy more ships simply because they say they need it. That would just encourage serious misallocation of resources, because no one dared to vet the Navy`s request. Same rules should apply to other branches, which is partly why we did away with the draft.
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Male 2,357
[quote]Libertarians agree with conservatives on fiscal/economic issues.[/quote]
The problem is that an increasing number of "conservatives" support oil subsidies, increasing defense spending (aka offense spending), etc. Gloating about how your plan will increase spending less than the other guys plan is ridiculous.

I think the reason we are seeing a spike in Libertarian beliefs is that many former conservatives are becoming disenfranchised by the recent attempts to dictate social morality as well as straying from fiscal conservatism. Similarly, many liberals are also disenfranchised by the fiscal irresponsibility of their colleagues.
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Male 4,999
"Obama`s remark was clearly a jab at Romney by insinuating that the military doesn`t need `horses or bayonets`."

My point wasn`t about the horse or the bayonets, it was about how you lie and twist your comments when you get called on being wrong. A moral and honest man would just admit they were wrong and move on but you just dig in deeper. It makes it quite impossible to have any respect for you.
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Male 5,811
[quote]It`s a funny thing really libertarians agree with liberals on social issues. Libertarians agree with conservatives on fiscal/economic issues.[/quote]
As long as you don`t pretend to give both of those equal weight, it is correct.
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Male 3,445
`It`s a funny thing really libertarians agree with liberals on social issues. Libertarians agree with conservatives on fiscal/economic issues.`

Yeah, I know. That`s why I`m generally able to get along quite well with Libertarians.
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Male 4,999
You could tell Romney was way out of his element on foreign affairs. Throughout the debate I felt he was just seconds away from getting pulled into an area he hadn`t memorized and looking like a fool. Luck was with him but he still came off as the lesser candidate. Obama just out shined him. He has learned the job and he has learned it well. This is a man who puts his all into his presidency. He`s not a 9-5r like the last guy.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Glad we agree on the military budget.[/quote]

It`s a funny thing really libertarians agree with liberals on social issues. Libertarians agree with conservatives on fiscal/economic issues.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Very racist of you I might add.[/quote]

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Male 3,445
`He shouldn`t even bother. We need MORE sequestration, not less.`

Glad we agree on the military budget.
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Male 10,855
[quote]I`ve yet to meet a republican that can sell Romney without going on and on about Obama being muslim, fascist, not a citizen[/quote]

Birther bull5h17 started with the Hillary 08 camp. Moving on.
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Male 7,378
Way to dig up a dead man that disavowed his past to make a point. Very racist of you I might add.
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Male 10,855
[quote]but all racists are republican[/quote]

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Male 7,378
No but you jump at every opportunity to criticize the president. Hating Obama is not a political strategy. I`ve yet to meet a republican that can sell Romney without going on and on about Obama being muslim, fascist, not a citizen. It`s as if they want to use the N-word to describe Obama. I`m aware that not all republicans are racist but all racists are republican. You need to work on that.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Nothing I said was a lie[/quote]

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[quote]Mitt Romney is a tax dodger all of his supporters are therefore traitorous[/quote]

BS on both counts

[quote]You and all those like you cannot even make a cogent case for your candidate that doesn`t involve bashing America`s first black president[/quote]

Entirely misleading statement

[quote]There`s a racist element in republican politics that republicans like you refuse to admit[/quote]

As opposed to what? The Democrats?


[quote]To be republican you must disavow reality[/quote]

Broad, sweeping, and misleading statement.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Give me a rundown of what Romney will do that will make America a better place. I doubt you have the ability.[/quote]

Why? I`m not even saying that at all. I haven`t heard a real convincing case for Obama either. Obama and Romney are just dueling Phil Donahue acts who dream up of superficial ways of addressing America`s problems.
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Male 7,378
Nothing I said was a lie. All of it factual. Mitt Romney is a tax dodger all of his supporters are therefore traitorous. How`s that for an attack?
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Male 5,620
@madest, "I like how some people have no opinion at all other than to criticize the opinions of others."

You`re kidding, right?

In this page alone:

"There`s a racist element in republican politics"
"To be republican you must disavow reality."
"Romney`s magic underpants didn`t protect him."


All you do is literally insult the beliefs and thoughts of others. You sir are either an insane and delusional non-nice individual; or you are the greatest troll on IAB.
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Male 5,811
@AJ: How does agreeing with many of Obama`s policies and the ones he disagrees with, such as military spending, are actually contrary to popular opinion, confer victory to Romney "by a mile" exactly? It`s like me saying Obama won the first debate. I say he won, you say Romney won. So?

The difference being reality. It`s ok to admit Romney can actually be not perfect.
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Male 7,378
Prove me wrong Cajun. Give me a rundown of what Romney will do that will make America a better place. I doubt you have the ability.
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Male 10,855
[quote]There`s a racist element in republican politics that republicans like you refuse to admit[/quote]

Madest`s law: The longer he is in a conversation the more likely he`ll play the race card.
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Male 7,378
No AJ, You`re living in the bubble. Patch was right you`re unable to admit your candidate is a vision-less turd who has been propped up by rich people in spite of his own party hating him. You have twisted reality to accept a tax dodger as the titular head of the party who pretends to care about the rule of law. You and all those like you cannot even make a cogent case for your candidate that doesn`t involve bashing America`s first black president. There`s a racist element in republican politics that republicans like you refuse to admit. Wake-up. It`s not your world anymore.
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Male 10,338
@Patch:

We think he won, and Dems think Obama won.

So?
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Male 10,855
[quote]Which would you rather have sex with?
Romney or Obama?[/quote]

Go for a threesome, both of them will screw you anyways.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Honestly, it seems like both sides are preparing us for a new war.[/quote]

Gee and I thought the Dems were all about waving their fingers at the GOP for bombing countries that don`t threaten us.

Now they just have no shame.
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Male 39,880

Which would you rather have sex with?
Romney or Obama?
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Male 7,378
To be republican you must disavow reality. Haven`t you read the rule book?
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Male 5,811
And this is what I`ve been saying for a while now. Pretty much every liberal here admits Obama lost the first debate. Yet conservatives here can`t stomach admitting Obama won this one. It`s called reality, try it sometime.
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Male 5,811
@AJ: You seriously think Romney won this one? By a mile no less?



Also works for CJ, but I guess not posting results of post-debate polls showing Romney ahead is as close as we`ll get to CJ admitting Romney lost.
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Male 2,357
[quote]Is it just me, or did Romney`s remarks about the dangers of Pakistan sound a lot like Bush talking about Iraq before we invaded?[/quote]
This is how I feel with BOTH parties regarding Iran. Honestly, it seems like both sides are preparing us for a new war.
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Male 10,855
[quote]I`d like to know how Obama is going to stop sequestration[/quote]

He shouldn`t even bother. We need MORE sequestration, not less.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Well sorry, but we DO still need horses and bayonets and ships besides aircraft carriers and submarines[/quote]

It`s been a whole century before Afghanistan when our military used horses just sayin`. Besides there nothing that says we can do a lot more with less.
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Male 10,855
The mission in Afghanistan reminds me of that Black Knight scene from Monty Python`s King Arthur and The Holy Grail. Despite (metaphorically speaking) having all of our limbs cut off we`ll still adamantly insist we can fight and win. Truth is for all this time the only people who can fix Afghanistan are the Afghanis themselves.
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Male 10,338
Debate scoreboard:

#1: Romney by a mile
#2: Obama by a nose
#3: Romney by a mile

Now Obama will break out the October surprise. No one will fall for it (hopefully).
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Male 7,378
I like how some people have no opinion at all other than to criticize the opinions of others.

Pretty telling that in this debate Romney agreed with Obama as much as Obama supporters do. Also made his entire 6year presidential campaign a waste of time by erasing all the criticisms he`s had about Obama`s foreign policy by suggesting he would have done the same things. Romney`s a dumb rich guy that isn`t aware of the geography in the mid-east much less the politics. Obama spanked Romney. Romney`s magic underpants didn`t protect him. His ass will be red until Christmas.
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Male 559
I like how people just talk bad about the candidate they don`t like while never bothering to say anything good about the candidate they do like. A real "lesser of 2 evils" approach.

Oh wait, I don`t like that at all. I can`t believe anyone thinks either of these guys can make a difference.
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Male 89
the picture you have used was the 1st time US forces used horses in 100 years.

silly horses
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Male 89
crakrjak...

haha.. that is the silliest thing i have ever heard. kudos to you.
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Male 17,511
markust: Obama`s remark was clearly a jab at Romney by insinuating that the military doesn`t need `horses or bayonets`.

Well sorry, but we DO still need horses and bayonets and ships besides aircraft carriers and submarines. Obama tried to say Romney was out of touch with the military, but it`s a gaffe instead. It`s Obama that`s out of touch if he doesn`t know that our military has increased it`s use of horses and still trains with and uses bayonets.



These aren`t necessary according to Obama.
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Male 9,732
I just get the feeling Romney wants to scream "JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY SO YOU`LL ELECT ME. I`LL SAY ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!"
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Male 39,880

Is it just me, or did Romney`s remarks about the dangers of Pakistan sound a lot like Bush talking about Iraq before we invaded?
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Male 4,999
First you try to claim that President Obama said that we don`t use horses and bayonets in the military anymore. When you got called on that you changed it to "It was clear that Obama was trying to claim that our forces didn`t need horses or bayonets anymore." Now you are changing it to "I`m pretty sure our military is using MORE, not fewer, horses now than before we invaded Afghanistan" when Obama`s statement was in response to Romney`s comparison to 1912. You are an odd man.
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Male 17,511
HG: Because of the current sanction, Syria is indeed Iran`s route to trade overseas right now. The US navy is patrolling `The Gulf` and enforcing those sanctions and the Caspian Sea is landlocked.
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Male 17,511
HG: Massachusetts added more net jobs during Romney’s four years in office than during the four-year period of either his predecessor or successor. Romney reduced unemployment to just 4.7 percent and he balanced every budget without raising taxes. He also took his predecessor, Swift`s dead last 50th in job creation ranking and had improved to 28th.
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Male 9,732
whodat6484

While that is funny, I believe, in fairness, that he meant their route to the sea to export. If you are exporting to Europe or America, which is where their oil exports go, then through the Mediterranean would be the way to go.
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Male 9,732
crakrJak

"One more thing, Obama said that Massachusetts ranked 47th in the nation for business. That was another lie. "

NO NO NO. I JUST watched it. He said it ranked 48th in SMALL business development.

"Under Romney, Massachusetts did indeed rank 47th out of 50 states in job growth, according to Politifact."
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Male 17,511
One more thing, Obama said that Massachusetts ranked 47th in the nation for business. That was another lie.

"Massachusetts finished 12th overall in our 2007 CNBC rankings of America’s Top States for Business. The Bay State performed well in its traditional areas of strength: No. 1 in Education, No. 2 in Access to Capital and No. 4 in Technology & Innovation. In Business Friendliness, which measures the legal and regulatory climate, the state finished a respectable 13th." CNBC - Monday, 9 Jul 2012
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Male 15,259
This is the madest vs CrackrJak debate
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Male 17,511
Scuzoid: I`m pretty sure our military is using MORE, not fewer, horses now than before we invaded Afghanistan.

Obama`s comparison of `horses and bayonets`, to our modern military, was pure stupidity.
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Male 1,268
"CrakrJak, "Ha ha. I did get that quote wrong. My mistake."

I know you will never admit you were wrong so I am just imagining you being a decent person."

Hahaha. Didn`t read most of these comments. Glad this and the reason it needed to be said was still on the first page when I got here. Thanks you two.
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Male 17,511
madest: I didn`t say you signed up for war, I asked what war(s) you were in. If you never seen combat, or were other than honorably discharged, then that`s relevant to your current attitude.
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Male 17,511
Another thing, I`d like to know how Obama is going to stop sequestration. He said, "it`s not going to happen", I`d like to hear how he`s going to walk that statement back in the next few days.
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Male 7,378
Nobody signs up for war CJ, They sign up to serve our country. Whether a war happens or not isn`t up to the soldier it`s up to the command. But I wouldn`t expect a civilian to know that.
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Male 17,511
madest: Really? What war(s) were you in?
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Male 39,880

Mitt agreed with so many of Mr.Os policies I thought he was going to endorse him.
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Male 7,378
I haven`t railed against the military CJ. I`m a veteran. I signed up unlike some conservatives I know.
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Male 17,511
madest: I`ve yet to see you criticize Obama at all. You rail against `the military`, but not Obama.
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Male 7,378
I have been, haven`t you been paying attention?
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Male 17,511
madest: Ok then, why aren`t you criticizing Obama for not bringing our troops home right now?

Why are you not criticizing him on using drones to kill insurgents?

Why are you not against Obama`s view that Al Qaeda is still a threat?

Oh that`s right, he can do no wrong, `The One` must not be criticized, those that do are racist.

Right?
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Male 7,378
No. I don`t care. Next?
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Male 17,511
madest: I don`t believe our objectives in Afghanistan are complete, apparently you believe they were when Bin Laden was killed.

So you apparently don`t give a damn if Afghanistan falls back into Taliban hands, if Al Qaeda regains a foothold there, or if the Karzai government is overthrown.
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Male 7,378
Spoiler alert: Bob Shieffer says "Obama bin Laden".
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Male 9,732
I was volunteering at my class during the debate. CNN just started the replay. I`m watching it for the first time now.

Shhhhhh... Don`t ruin it for me. ;)
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Male 7,378
So did your position change the instant Romney put it in your head or did you just cave to the apparent indefensible position for sending others people kids off to a finished war with completed objective that you would have never personally signed up for?
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Male 17,511
madest: The guy who`s never spent a minute as a businessman or in the military is our current president and we`ve suffered for that mistake in judgement.
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Male 17,511
madest: Your ignorance shines once again, I`ve said before that I live in Illinois, so I have closer knowledge of the cronyism Obama has been involved with in my state.

As for setting a strict date for withdrawal, I believe that`s a mistake, but the plan to leave, in 2014, has already been set in motion. We should`ve left the option open, but we have an agreement with Afghanistan to leave.
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Male 546
@markust123
This is how I picture CJ

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Male 7,378
The guy who never spent a minute in the military thinks the commander and chief of the military is somehow less informed... yeah.
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Male 546
@CrakrJak
Did it hurt? You know, when you pulled the giant lie out of your ass?
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Male 3,445
@Crakrjak:

The quote is "Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military`s changed"

Key word being "fewer."
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Male 4,999
CrakrJak, "Ha ha. I did get that quote wrong. My mistake."

I know you will never admit you were wrong so I am just imagining you being a decent person.
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Male 17,511
markust: It was clear that Obama was trying to claim that our forces didn`t need horses or bayonets anymore.

But because of the nature of warfare in Afghanistan we still use horses and bayonets.

And as I said, Perhaps it`s Obama that`s out of touch with what our military needs and uses. Our military personnel certainly think so, they back Romney 2 to 1 over Obama.
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Male 7,378
It wasn`t an insult. I know some red states frown upon free thinking and your comments made it apparent you live in one of them. You parrot every nonsense point FoxNews puts out. I know they`re not getting their positions from you so my conclusion must be true. So let me ask you.. You watched the debate where was the Romney hawk that criticized Obama for "setting a time" to leave Afghanistan from just a few weeks ago? This was a Romney that agreed with leaving Afghanistan on Obama`s timeline.. Where`s the unfiltered CrakrJak view on that?
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Male 4,999
"Our US forces have and do ride horses in Afghanistan and can and do have bayonets for their rifles. Maybe it`s Obama that should learn more about our combat forces."

I don`t know what you are responding to. Here is what the President said, "But I think Governor Romney maybe hasn`t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military`s changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines. And so the question is not a game of Battleship, where we`re counting slips."
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madest: Are you capable of not being a troll, or do you have interject your insults at me at every opportunity?
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[quote]CJ: "Showing weakness worldwide invites America`s enemies, it emboldens them"[/quote]
Really? Wow.
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Male 7,378
CJ are you capable of critical thought or do you live in a state that bans it?
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Male 4,999
CNN Debate three poll: Obama 48, Romney 40. Ouch.
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Male 7,830
Its been fun as usual, but I have to get to bed. Got work early. Everyone have a great night, and pleasant posts.
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Male 17,511
CreamK: Obama has got away with more lies than Nixon ever dreamed of.
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Male 17,511
Btw, Our US forces have and do ride horses in Afghanistan and can and do have bayonets for their rifles.

Maybe it`s Obama that should learn more about our combat forces.

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CJ: "Showing weakness worldwide invites America`s enemies, it emboldens them, to ignore us. Obama doesn`t have a backbone."

For us europeans, Obama seems 100 time stronger than Romney who nobody can trust... Romney would`ve been out of the race in any other civilized country because of constant lying. Only in US can you do that, lie his eyes out and still got almost half of the folks behind him.
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"YOU are the epitome of why people hate Americans. You ARE "the ugly American". You are the reason that when people like me travel, I assume you never leave the U.S., we have to spend half our time apologizing for the a.ssholes that characterize us poorly."

There hasn`t been a trip to Europe where I didn`t have to apologize for at least one ugly American. I found that most of them are from Texas. It is so embarrassing to watch these jackasses disgrace America.
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Male 7,830
I have no issue with his bowing.

Markust, you are right. He didnt only win, he completely dominated this one in the way Romney dominated in the first one.
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CarkrJak

"With all respect The POTUS shouldn`t be bowing to anyone."

Holy God:

"Yes because OUR president is the best most important gretest leader on teh planet and shouldn`t show respect or reverence to ANYONE else.

YOU are the epitome of why people hate Americans. You ARE "the ugly American". You are the reason that when people like me travel, I assume you never leave the U.S., we have to spend half our time apologizing for the a.ssholes that characterize us poorly."

I agree.
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Male 17,511
cobra: I just want to get this correct. You believe that Obama`s bowing from the back and bent knee was `appropriate`?

Gladys Blouda, Head of The U.S. State Department’s office of protocol said at the time that a handshake was the appropriate greeting.
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Male 4,999
Cj is just trying to distract from the fact that Obama has won two debates in a row. He would have won three if he would have shown up to the first one.
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Male 7,830
Okay, looks like I was right on.
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Male 4,999
Bush held the Saudi princes hand. Even I thought that was gay.
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Male 7,830
HG, I apologize for putting words in your mouth if that is not what you were getting at. That is just what I took away from it.
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Male 9,732
"Yes, You did."

Talking to you is like talking to a child. I did no such thing. I pointed to Jesus`s example. Because whether or not I believe in the bible I believe that the example set by Jesus is one that everyone should aspire to.
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Male 4,999
"Yes, You did."

HG absolutely did not compare Obama to Jesus. How can you lie so blatantly when people can just look down to what he said?
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Male 7,830
Crakr, HG didnt compare Obama to Jesus. He said that as a christian, you should see Jesus as an example for all of us to follow. That includes Obama [and yourself] who should show the proper respect to everyone.
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Male 17,511
markust: Bowing at the waist is a sign of subservience, a head nod would`ve been sufficient.

Showing respect is fine, showing weakness isn`t.
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Male 7,830
Crakr, as he should. You are in that mans country, so you show him the respect he deserves there. Just as I would expect [and they have] other world leaders showing the same respect to him. The same cannot be said to the same extent for our last president, or will most likely be for Romney who like you seems to see the president of the united states as the president of the world.
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Male 17,511
HG: "I`m not comparing Obama to Jesus."

Yes, You did.

You`ve made these sort of comparisons before, then backed away saying you didn`t.
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Male 3,445
Since CJ is fond of post-debate polls:

`The CBS insta-poll found that 53 percent of uncommitted voters thought Obama won the final debate, while 23 percent gave it to Romney. 24 percent were undecided.

The sample size for the poll was 521.

As a point of comparison, after the second debate the same snap poll found a much smaller edge for Obama, with 37 percent of uncommitted voters saying he won. 30 percent said Romney won and 33 percent said it was a tie.`
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HG: Harry Reid has been Obama`s blocker in the senate. He`s kept 3 yearly budgets from being voted on. Why? So that Obama wouldn`t have to veto them.
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Male 4,999
Even with a picture of Bush holding hands with a Saudi prince Cj still pushes the spin that Obama is weak because, gasp, he showed a little respect to other leaders. The president of the United States is not the leader of the world. He should be showing respect to his peers when it is warranted. That is how strong relationships are formed - not through intimidation, and certainly not through "you`re either with us or against us" mentality..
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CrakrJak

"Obama might be your savior, but he`s not mine."

I lead a good life. I don`t need a savior, obama or otherwise. If you do that is cool for you. I`m not comparing Obama to Jesus. However Jesus sets the example for how we should all live right? So if Jesus washes the feet of a prostitute than certainly one world leader can bow to another right?
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Male 3,445
`Bloomberg was republican in name only and although he says he`s independent he`s not. He`s followed Obama`s policy lead step-by-step, hired democrats in his office and has ran NYC like a democrat.`

Side-stepping, I see. It`s New York. It`s a liberal city. California is a liberal state, so Schwarzenegger ran the state as a more liberal/moderate Republican.

The other day Bloomberg criticized both candidates:

NY TIMES

Here`s a quote: `For Mr. Obama: “This business of ‘Well, they can afford it; they should pay their fair share?’ Who are you to say ‘Somebody else’s fair share?’ ”`

Does that sound like a Democrat?
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Male 17,511
cobra: Obama didn`t just nod his head, he bent his back and in the case of the King of Saud, bent his knee. It was much more than a head bow/nod.
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Male 9,732
You know what I would like to do? Let`s end this partisan bickering.

Let`s agree on 100 decisive statistical figures that determine how good we are as a country. Unemployment, poverty, safety, housing, schools, energy, etc.

Give Obama 4 years with a democrat house and senate and republicans don`t block anything. See where the 100 factors are.

Then give a republican 8 years in office with a republican house and senate and democrats don`t block anything. Sample the same 100 factors.

Compare the numbers. Then we`ll know whose policies work better. The other party disbands. From that point the remaining major party goes up against new parties, green, libertarian, whatever.

As it is now we can NEVER agree. If your guy does something good the other side gives credit to their people in the house or senate. If your guy does something bad it is his fault and you think it was their guys in the house and senate. It is SUCH bulls.hit.
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HG: Obama might be your savior, but he`s not mine.

Showing weakness worldwide invites America`s enemies, it emboldens them, to ignore us. Obama doesn`t have a backbone.
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FoolsPrussia: Bloomberg was republican in name only and although he says he`s independent he`s not. He`s followed Obama`s policy lead step-by-step, hired democrats in his office and has ran NYC like a democrat.
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Male 7,830
Bowing your head while shaking hands with someone shows due respect. He wasnt on his hands and knees kissing the floor before them. What he shown was not subservience, but the respect the other leaders of the world deserve.
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Male 5,163
CrakrJak as european i assure you that people i know think that your country have lost influence and power cause of a decade of lies and fake wars done by the previous administration not cause Obama.
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Male 3,445
CJ: I noticed you never responded when I pointed out you were wrong when you called Bloomberg a Democrat. He won his first mayoral election as a Republican, then switched to Independent a few years ago.
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Male 5,163
"With all respect The POTUS shouldn`t be bowing to anyone." Especialy with all that horses and bayonets. XD
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CrakrJak

Look at it this way. You are Christian. Look to the bible. Jesus was the messiah, the son of God, yet he washed the feet of prostitutes.

However, you say our president embarrassed us by being reverent and bowing to other world leaders?
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Male 17,511
cobra: There is a big difference between showing respect and showing subservience. Obama has been a weak leader and it`s caused us to loose influence in the world.
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Male 7,830
Crakr, and why shouldnt the president of the united states show respect to other world leaders? He is only a man; not the king of the world or a deity of some kind.
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Male 17,511
HG: I`m glad we agree that Obama is clearly not "the best most important gretest leader on teh planet", He`s definitely fallen short of expectations.
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CarkrJak

"With all respect The POTUS shouldn`t be bowing to anyone."

Yes because OUR president is the best most important gretest leader on teh planet and shouldn`t show respect or reverence to ANYONE else.

YOU are the epitome of why people hate Americans. You ARE "the ugly American". You are the reason that when people like me travel, I assume you never leave the U.S., we have to spend half our time apologizing for the a.ssholes that characterize us poorly.
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CrakrJak

"Obama doesn`t see government money as `the people`s money` he sees it as a way to redistribute wealth."

Redistribute to whom? Otters? Scorpions? He redistributes it TO PEOPLE.
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Male 3,445
Or Nixon
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He also isn`t Dwight Eisenhower:


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Male 17,511
cobra: With all respect The POTUS shouldn`t be bowing to anyone.
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Male 5,163
CrakrJak and we are all happy and relieved by that
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Male 7,830
Crakr, I bow to people I meet for the first time, and every time to people I respect. Do you see something wrong with that?
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Male 17,511
Mitt isn`t GW Bush
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Crakr:
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Male 512
<-- enjoying that Crackerjackass is still using the out-of-context Obama quote! Crackerjackass, OldIdiot, et al. are now seeing the FOX Propaganda analysis and so, parroting will commence!
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Male 17,511
markust: Obama embarrassed us bowing to everyone he met. You`re saying those weren`t `gaffes`?

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crakr, by*
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Male 4,999
"I am watching NBC [Not MSNBC], and they are fact checking both sides. Neither`s facts were perfect, but overall, more of Romney`s was BS."

I did the same thing. The only way to get an unbiased view of the debates is to watch your local channel.
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Male 4,999
I`m surprised the President didn`t bring up Romney`s embarrassing gaffs on his "world tour". Romney even managed to insult England, one of our greatest allies. How much conflict would he start just by speaking?
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Male 3,445
"Mayor Bloomberg (D)"

Bloomberg is Independent.
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Male 17,511
cobra: I still want to know what cars we are selling to China and also Obama lied about the joint forces status agreement.
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Male 17,511
jops: So you point to a liberal opinion piece, buy a liberal site, ran by Mayor Bloomberg (D), citing liberal studies?
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Male 7,830
I am not watching Fox news at the moment, but I can guess what they are saying "Romney wins his third debate in a row. He is way ahead in the polls. Everything Romeny said was true, and everything that lying muslim Obama said was not."

Am I about right?

I am watching NBC [Not MSNBC], and they are fact checking both sides. Neither`s facts were perfect, but overall, more of Romney`s was BS.
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Male 689
your could also just google it and bring up countless pages letting you know just what is instore for a Romney future. spoiller, his and the rest of the top 10% PAY NOTHING
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Male 689
fox finally told you what to say?
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Male 689
craker -
www.businessweek.com /articles/2012-08-02/
mitt-romneys-tax-plan-cuts-for -millionaires-and-a-hike-for- just-about-everyone-else
take out the spaces it would not let me use a link longer than 40 letters
so, Romney says he would permanently extend the Bush tax cuts. He’d get rid of taxes on long-term capital gains, dividends, and interest income for married couples filing jointly with income under $200,000. And he’d repeal the federal estate tax.

tells me this is true also getting rid of estate tax lets him effectively live tax free
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Male 17,511
jops: Obama has given back alright, to the banks, the car companies, his cronies in the `green` energy sector and his SEIU thugs.
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Male 3,445
For someone whose entire foreign policy argument is that Obama has been "weak," Romney certainly performed from a weak position. He didn`t even try to attack on the Benghazi issue, which is his strongest argument.
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Male 689
also craker how does the peoples money and redistribution differ? does this not mean that he plans to give it back?
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Male 17,511
[quote]mitt wants to end capitol gains[/quote]

Not true.
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Male 689
craker - yet mitt wants to end capitol gains. this is the ONLY thing the rich are taxed for, seeing that this is what percent they use.
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Male 7,830
God, I wish their mics were still on as they walked up, shook hands, smiled, and talked so much sh*t to each other.
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Male 4,999
Obama 2 Romney 1.
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Lillian: Without the taxes from individuals and businesses government wouldn`t have the money to spend to build anything.

Obama doesn`t see government money as `the people`s money` he sees it as a way to redistribute wealth.
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Male 689
good meaning the ones that will do exactly what he says. he can reach across the isle because the right is constantly denying anything the pres wants.
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Male 5,163
Cheers.
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Female 2,674
CJ, Republicans still spreading that lie? Obama was talking about the bridges and roads you take to get to your business and things like that. Not that they didn`t make their business.
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Male 7,830
take yet another drink
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Male 3,908
"I love PBS... I love Big Bird... I love teachers..."

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Female 267
*hic*
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drink!
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Male 689
i know i missed some so just drink the whole bottle. here comes another
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Male 3,445
`Foolsprussia, damn, that was quick`

I think he said that a while ago, actually. A friend posted a similar graphic on facebook and I thought it was funny.
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Male 7,830
Foolsprussia, damn, that was quick.
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Male 17,511
Btw, What cars are we selling to China?
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Male 7,830
Romney keeps complaining that Obama keeps taking jabs at him instead of focusing on the issues as he does the same thing.
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Male 4,999
Ouch, twice Romney has played the victim. Boo hoo the President is attacking me.
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Male 17,511
Currencies are more advantageous, because the dollar is going down the drain and China is manipulating theirs.
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Male 7,830
The smartest thing Obama could do is bring a laptop to these debates with clips of sh*t Romney says that he denies.
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Female 267
jops360 - I`ll play, just let me put the poison control hotline on speed dial first...
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Male 7,830
Romney just rolled his eyes when Obama was talking about getting our educational system on track.
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Male 17,511
Meanwhile the doctor that identified Bin Laden, still sits in a Pakistani prison.
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Male 7,830
jops, we would all die.
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Male 7,378
I like how Romney tries to inform the world about countries he can`t pronounce.
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Male 7,378
Scheiffer just said "Obama bin Laden" Put that raging republican back in your pants Bob. Ain`t nobody got time for dat!
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Male 3,908
Every time Romney mentions "The Economy" I think of this scene from South Park!

Especially what Randy is saying about how "we`ve angered the economy!"
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Male 3,445
Bob Schieffer just said "Obama Bin Laden" with the president one foot away...
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Male 4,999
Where are the cons? Are you waiting for Fox News to tell you what to think?
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Male 5,163
Here we go again Romney still "contesting" the speaker. Seem to me that Romney is in a corner right now and try to exit from the situation taking on the plate a third element.
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Male 689
lets start a drinking game. every time romney mentions the economy take a shot.
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Male 7,378
"When I`m president".... lol That`s a good one Romney..
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Male 3,445
How about a question about the morality of drone strikes? Or one on global warming?
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Male 7,378
Romney wants us to be the United States of Israels bitch.
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Male 4,999
Moderator to Romney who asked for more time, "We`ll catch you up."

Wow. That can be taken a couple ways.
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Male 689
using bin laden. another great blow
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Male 689
it the ECONOMYs fault! really get a new line.
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Male 7,830
whodat, be careful, too much power may break you.
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Male 7,830
"lets not get in to hypotheticals"

yeah, because you cannot think outside your tiny little box.
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Male 3,908
@cobrakiller - I think it`s the beard, I`m going to have to dye it grey and maybe it will make me even more powerful!
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Male 392
I can`t stand how smug Romney always looks in these debates. He`s one of those people that, for me, has a very dishonest face. I can`t believe a word he says. It comes across as a pure "act" to rope people in, more than anything else.
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Male 3,445
Romney is getting crushed here. The Chinese investment line was another blow.
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Male 7,830
damn, that one hurt him.
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Male 7,830
whodat, you are some kind of freaky wizard-psychic.
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Male 7,830
foolsprussia, and the soldiers are seeing any of that extra cash.
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Male 3,908
"You`d say them louder and think that would somehow make a difference!" HAHAHHAHA!!!!!!
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Male 5,163
So Romney foreign policy about Iran is the same as Obama but he gonna do it in a stricter way...pathetic.
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Male 689
Iran DOES NOT have nuclear weapons. all he is doing is playing on people stupidity.
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Male 3,445
@cobra: I heard a segment on NPR this morning, where a military analyst said that every time we`ve drawn down from a war, the military budget has shrunk accordingly. He said people in the military even think the budget is too high.
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Male 7,830
Okay, they are not sitting very far away from each other, so why do we still have the annoying split screen?
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Male 689
whodat - called it
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Male 7,830
Foolsprussia, [tinfoil hat required] It is because spending more money on our military and staying in constant military scuffles, keeps money out of things like education. Under-educated people are easier to control. [safe to remove your hat]
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Male 3,908
Last week I said Romney doesn`t know sh*t about foreign policy so he`s going to agree with whatever Obama says and then try to turn this into another debate about the economy!
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Male 689
lehofudge - he did not mention anything in particular so his statement was bland. my statement stands.
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Male 5,163
Hahaha "we have also less horses and bayonets".
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Male 3,445
That "fewer horses and bayonets" line was brilliant.
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Male 689
we get it you owned a business, the US is NOT A BUSINESS. if anything it is a not-for-profit.
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Male 3,445
We`ve gone from two wars down to one, yet Mitt Romney wants to increase the military budget at the expense of other programs. Why do we need to increase the military?
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Male 6
@jops, I believe that statement was in reference to President Obama dismantling the missile defense system in eastern Europe, Poland to be precise.
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Male 5,163
Hmm why Romney is talking about his government? This is not supposed to be a confrontation about foreign policy?
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Male 5,163
Untill now if i have to decide the man that have to represent me i will chose Obama. He gave me a feeling of more stability. Romney instead give me a sense of doubts and insecurity.
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Male 3,445
I thought this was supposed to be about foreign policy...
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Male 689
Romney want to spend MORE on defense but ALSO bring back the troops? what will the troops do, just sit around and wait? we need to scale down not enlarge an already huge military. send our boys home, get them back to their communities and get them off of the government tit.
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Male 3,445
I`m doing my best to watch this from a neutral position, but so far Romney seems to be having a similar performance to Obama`s in the first debate. He just seems like an empty suit up there.
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Male 7,830
Yeah, Romney is stuttering an awful lot. I feel I am watching a crappy political ad every time he speaks. "Obama bad, America good" in everything he says.

Oh, and here we go on the economy.
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Male 689
he now he agrees with what Obama has done? he reminds me of my summer shoes, flip-flop.
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Male 4,999
Romney is way out of his league on foreign affairs. You can tell he is just repeating things he memorized. It`s like President Obama is debating a high school senior.
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Male 3,445
Obama`s foreign policy has actually been, for me, mostly disappointing. But Romney seems way in over his head on this issue.
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Male 5,163
Mitt seem a wet rabbit right now, Obama instead show much more substance.
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Male 3,908
"First you said yes, then you said no, and now you`re saying maybe!"

Hahaha, yup, that sounds like Romney!
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Male 5,163
And Mitt got the first punch directly on the face.
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Male 3,445
"It`s nice this time to be funny...not on purpose"

What?
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Male 3,369
I hope Romney tries to say that the sanctions on Iran aren`t working. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
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Male 20,899
Link: Here We Go Again: Obama Vs Mitt: Round 3 [LIVE!] [Rate Link] - OK, I-A-B, we`re on. Obama vs. Romney. Comment in the forum!
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