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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 8:47 am
    Link: Democrat Staffer Will Help You Vote Twice - There`s no need to worry about voter fraud? Yeah, right.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 8:54 am
    National voter ID cards with a bio-information chip and getting rid of the stupid electoral college and just going with popular vote would solve all of this. As it is, all of the voter fraud in TX that you want to prove won`t do a thing to change the election. Which is ridiculous if it weren`t so true. :-(
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 8:59 am
    FOr a good election system to happen, the US needs to scrap their current one as it is very VERY broken. I mean c`mon, a system that lets 29% of US voters decide the next government? Thats hardly fair.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 9:12 am
    The Republican`s have their fair share of voter fraud. That group was changing registration information so Liberals would not be able to vote. I`m all for catching anyone breaking the law but in all fairness if you went to enough Republican voter registration locations you could catch people doing exactly the same thing this video is showing. What you don`t see in sensational videos like this are all the hundreds of places that said no. With that said there is no excuse for voter fraud. Arrest them all.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 9:19 am
    To be fair the first person didn`t seem to generally know. But yeah don`t think for a second this doesn`t happen the other way round.

    In the UK I get the option of where I vote for MP, but I can vote in more then one jurisdiction for local council government no issue.
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    triki-trakes Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 9:21 am
    Typical...send a beaner to do voter fraud (cause beaners are such honest people)
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 9:29 am
    National voter ID cards with a bio-information chip

    While at the same time making it difficult to find work and depriving people of privacy.

    getting rid of the stupid electoral college

    Better solution: vote third party. If states weren`t locked in "Republican" and/or "Democrat" you`d actually see candidates having to contest each state.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 9:29 am
    Those staffers should have said that`s wrong instead of just laughing. What surprises me is that this kind of thing could happen and not be caught. I`d like to believe that these instances are caught and handled. What I don`t quite understand is how voter ID would solve this problem though, if you`re mailing in a ballot.
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    2L84ME Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 9:32 am
    Bio-Information chip, are you f*ing serious SmagBoy1?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 9:43 am
    Pretending you are going to vote in two places and actually committing this Federal crime are two completely different things. Also people move all the time. I bet hundreds of thousands of people are registered in multiple states because of that. My brother moved to Switzerland and votes there, but his Washington State ballot is still sent to our house. We just shred it. This sensational non-story is stupid but it will serve its purpose of riling up the cons on here into a retarded frenzy.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 9:57 am
    Just us cons being sensational. YOU markust were the one going on a while ago about how voter fraud isn`t a real issue. Well it is chump. And yes if you want to post a GOP staffer doing the same crap feel free `cause that`s wrong too.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:03 am
    @DromEd: This doesn`t actually prove that voter fraud is a problem, it merely shows that these staffers are lax in telling people not to vote twice. Just because it is *possible* that people can do this doesn`t mean there is any appreciable amount of people *actually* doing this.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:03 am
    " Well it is chump."
    Voter fraud is real, THIS kind of voter fraud isn`t. You really think there`s a bunch of people going around registering in multiple states just to vote more than once? And do you really think that`s going to have any sort of effect on the elections? The REAL voter fraud is all of those new bills designed to restrict or make it harder for people to vote/register to vote. The REAL voter fraud is people changing people`s addresses and other info on their registration without their consent, or even destroying their registration so they don`t notice until it`s too late. People voting more than once or dead/fictional people voting is not a concern because it pretty much never happens.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:08 am
    Liberal democrats have sunk so low they have to reach up to touch the bottom.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:16 am
    Here you truly have 1 individual if this film is legitimate. The republican party is the party of voter fraud. This guy is a serial fraudulent voter and he`s the Republican Party precinct chairman running for Fort Bend County Commissioner`s Court. This on the heels of federal investigations into voter fraud in New Mexico, Florida and California and judicial smack-downs on voter ID laws across the nation prove your party is conning you. Some advice, don`t throw bricks in the living room of your crystal palace.
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    klaxor Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:18 am
    You can download a registration form off the internet without having to go through all these hoops. Oh whoops... I guess I shouldn`t have said that... Don`t forget to vote everyone!!!
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:21 am
    Yes, Drom, it IS just you cons being sensational. A partisan "gotcha (so-called) reporter" asking about double voting is not evidence of actual voter fraud. Videotaping un- or under-trained registrars is also not evidence of actual voter fraud. Even if there was some real evidence of real voter fraud of this type, all the photo I.D. efforts in the world could do nothing to stop it. How could an I.D. card prevent someone from submitting a mail-in absentee ballot in another state? Does this video somehow justify purging eligible citizens from the voter rolls? Or forcing through onerous I.D. laws when they can`t even impact the supposed fraud? Looks more and more like some people are trying their best to make it more difficult (or impossible) for certain other people to exercise their Constitutional right to vote.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:22 am
    This is not a non-story. The Democrat staffer was facilitating voter fraud. She was fired for this. So either she was doing something wrong or the party was wrong for firing her.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:22 am
    Blah blah blah.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:33 am
    On a somewhat related note, I have a question that I am hoping someone may be able to answer for me regarding Voter ID laws.

    I have heard an argument being made that, by establishing Voter ID laws, Republicans are being racist or, at very least, are hindering minorities. I have yet to have someone explain to me the rationale behind this.

    Also, if this were true, isn`t requiring an ID for firearms, alcohol, tobacco, etc. ALSO racist? If requiring someone to furnish an ID truly is racist, isn`t it then racist in all cases?

    I will be truly grateful to the individual(s) who can alleviate me of this most puzzling paradox.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:37 am
    @HA: I get sick of all the race card stuff too. I have no doubts their intentions were not to target minorities, I think they are simply targeting Democratic voters in general, so yeah, not racist.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:43 am
    An-egg-"So either she was doing something wrong or the party was wrong for firing her."

    The democratic party does not have a problem with what she did, but only that she got caught.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 10:49 am
    Many minorities don`t drive. They live in cities and therefore don`t need a drivers license. That`s the affected segment of voter ID laws. The people that support voter ID are being fed a spoonful of BS that they eat up and rationalize with questions like this.
    Have you voted? To get the opportunity to vote, you must register. Name, Birth, Sex, Address, SSN and in the mail you receive your registration that tells you where you can vote. When voting you must be on their roll at the proper precinct. To think that you can pretend to be someone so you could add one additional vote to your candidate is just too far fetched for logic.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:08 am
    @madest

    They live in cities and therefore don`t need a drivers license.
    That`s fine. Then it is also racist that they cannot buy alcohol, tobacco, or firearms. Also, New York is racist because they have a law that requires ALL citizens over the age of 16 to carry state ID with photo whenever in public.

    By the way, New York is very much a Democractic state. You racist Democrats, you. Do you see how ridiculous you are being?

    Have you voted? To get the opportunity to vote, you must register.
    Ever throw out a piece of paper with your SSN on it? There is the potential that someone picks that and then, by your standards, could potentially vote in your name.

    To think that you can pretend to be someone so you could add one additional vote to your candidate is just too far fetched for logic.
    To think that this is entirely impossible is absurd.

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:10 am
    madest-"Many minorities don`t drive."

    And yet they manage to do many things that require a photo ID. Cash a check, use a Debit or Credit card, etc.

    madest-"you must register. Name, Birth, Sex, Address, SSN and in the mail you receive your registration that tells you where you can vote"

    And yet, when a person walks up to the registrar, they are not required to prove they are the person who sent in the Name, Birth, Sex, Address & SSN. They are not even required to present the voter registration card.

    I could easily vote for my neighbor, as I know their name and address. That`s all they ask. I`m not required to prove it.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:11 am
    "This doesn`t actually prove that voter fraud is a problem, it merely shows that these staffers are lax in telling people not to vote twice. Just because it is *possible* that people can do this doesn`t mean there is any appreciable amount of people *actually* doing this."

    Exactly. This is not voter fraud just sensational journalism. And DromEd I was saying voter fraud is not such an issue that we need to rush in a bunch of laws for this election. I am fine with ID`s being required but you need to allow time for everyone to get an ID - EVERYONE. The reason the Republicans are pushing for such a fast time frame is to disenfranchise the black, elderly, college, and poor voters. That I will not tolerate. It is not about race it is about blocking Democratic votes. Stopping someone from their constitutional right to vote is about as Un-American as you can get. Also my state is 100% mail-in ballots so the whole ID issue is just BS.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Also, New York is racist because they have a law that requires ALL citizens over the age of 16 to carry state ID with photo whenever in public.
    Scratch that - I am confusing things. Those at the WTC memorial over the age of 13 MUST have a photo ID. Racist WTC memorial...
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:17 am
    @madest

    But to continue with my sarcasm:

    Damn racist employers!
    Damn racist banks!
    Damn racist landlords!
    Damn racist colleges!
    Damn racist FAA!
    Damn racist welfare, medicaid, etc!
    Damn racist government facilities!
    Damn racist libraries!
    Damn racist gyms!

    @madest is an idiot...
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:18 am
    Funny how the only person on here screaming racism is the Con. Typical race baiting.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:25 am
    Pushing for a quick implementation of the voter ID laws before the Presidential election disenfranchises the black, elderly, college, and poor voters. This is not about race. This is about blocking Democratic votes. A change in law like this takes a couple years to implement.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:27 am
    Funny how the only person on here screaming racism is the Con. Typical race baiting.
    Uh... if that was pointed at me (I`m not really sure?) then I would reiterate that I am not a conservative and that I am being ridiculously sarcastic in an attempt to show @madest how idiotic he is being. Surely I don`t believe Voter ID laws are racist.

    Also, @madest was claiming it was racist and he is a super-liberal... So there`s that.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:31 am
    HA calm down. I didn`t suggest you were racist. You asked how minorities were affected and I happened to answer. I said you were being fed a pile of bullcrap and you seem to have eaten it up. Thou doth protest too much.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:34 am
    "Also, @madest was claiming it was racist and he is a super-liberal... So there`s that."

    You troll baited Madest with your comment before his with not one, but four uses of the word "racist". Race baiting like this is part of what has caused conservatives to lose 99.99% of the black vote.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:40 am
    This doesn`t actually prove that voter fraud is a problem, it merely shows that these staffers are lax in telling people not to vote twice.

    Wrong, This staffer was going to HELP her vote twice. That is illegal. This sort of cross state double voting happens all the time and there are no checks in place to prevent it.

    Voter IDs are not racist or ageist, they are common sense if we want to have more honest and accurate elections.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:41 am
    @madest: The problem of course is that you haven`t actually shown anything. I mean, sure, you throw out some lovely one-liners and all, but there is not substance. Tell me how one of these situations is racist and the other is not:

    1. To vote (Constitutional right), you need an ID.
    2. To buy a firearm (Constitutional right), you need an ID.

    All I am saying is that, IF we are going to claim that #1 is racist, then we also MUST claim that #2 is racist.

    @markust: First off, @patchgrabber did fine it answering my question; did I troll bait him as well? And seriously, is it really possible that someone did not understand what I was going for there? If you think I baited @madest, then you must have a fairly low opinion of him.

    Oh, and I think a big part of Obama getting such a large "black vote" probably had something to do with being black. It is human nature afterall.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:49 am
    In this thread I haven`t mentioned racism. You must think it`s racist. I don`t. Everyone who`s not a driver is disenfranchised by this non-problem. The people who commit voter fraud seem to be wealthy white people with multiple homes. Mitt Romney did it, That Texan below and a woman running for congress in MD seems to have voted in both Florida and Maryland. This isn`t a crime that minorities are committing but they`re getting the blame from republicans. So maybe you`re right, it is indeed racist.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:51 am
    "This sort of cross state double voting happens all the time"

    Where`s your proof?

    "Voter IDs are not racist or ageist, they are common sense if we want to have more honest and accurate elections."

    Except that people aren`t voting multiple times or voting for dead people frequently. The ones that do aren`t enough to sway the election one way or another. These laws prevent actual citizens from voting in order to prevent something that`s barely happening if it`s even happening at all. You`re against the TSA checking old people and little children who are unlikely to be terrorists, right? Think it`s a bit excessive? This is the same thing except it`s not simply an inconvenience, it`ll literally prevent legal citizens from voting. And those people are, as markest said, largely "the black, elderly, college, and poor voters". I`m 21 and only got a "photo ID" this year unless my school ID would be considered credible.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:51 am
    I`m certain if the tables were turned the same thing would`ve happened. She morally and legally compromised her position and was caught on camera doing so. They should all be fired.

    She should`ve realized that this was scam since this guy is notorious for doing it. What weak morals he has.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:51 am
    Here, in Pennsylvania, state ID cards are FREE!!!
    And, they are INSTANT (sans waiting in line to get your picture taken)!!!

    There is literally no reason not to have an ID in PA.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:54 am
    @madest: In this thread I haven`t mentioned racism.

    I asked a question specifically asking someone to explain to me how Voter ID laws were racist. It appeared to me that you directly answered me with a rebuttal (as in, defending the stance that Voted ID laws are racist).

    If my interpretation of these events was incorrect, then I apologize to you.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:54 am
    You must think it`s racist

    Oh look liberal clown madest is at it again. Throwing the word "racist" around, insinuating things that are total BS. Says things that can be proven as total BULL5H17 just from reading the comments.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:58 am
    @Cajun247, "Oh look liberal clown madest is at it again. Throwing the word "racist" around, insinuating things that are total BS. Says things that can be proven as total BULL5H17 just from reading the comments."

    What are you talking about? The only one throwing racism around is HumanAction.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    What are you talking about? The only one throwing racism around is HumanAction.
    Cajun is correct. Here is a direct quote from me earlier:

    Surely I don`t believe Voter ID laws are racist.
    Soon after, @madest said this:

    You must think it`s racist
    So Cajun is correct; @madest could have concluded that I do not see these laws as racist simply from reading the comments.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    @HumanAction, "here is a direct quote from me earlier, Surely I don`t believe Voter ID laws are racist."

    You said a lot more than that. This is from your initial race baiting comment:

    "I have heard an argument being made that, by establishing Voter ID laws, Republicans are being racist or, at very least, are hindering minorities." And then you said. "Also, if this were true, isn`t requiring an ID for firearms, alcohol, tobacco, etc. ALSO racist? If requiring someone to furnish an ID truly is racist, isn`t it then racist in all cases? "
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    SoCal Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    You guys are funny, Don`t you realize there is no point in getting your egos involved on the internet. I learned that when I was 14. You just have to realize everyone has their own opinion and you`re not going to change it by writing paragraphs as comments.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    Lillian: ...people aren`t voting multiple times or voting for dead people frequently.

    So you`re going to argue that since not enough people do it, in your mind, that it isn`t a problem that should be dealt with?

    So if one person keys your car and scratches it all to hell then it`s not a problem because it was only one person, right?

    WRONG!

    This isn`t `jaywalking` we are talking about here, we are talking about a FELONY offense.

    Now maybe you aren`t concerned about felony offenses, but the rest of us are.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    @markust: I know what I said and I was being serious when I asked that question. There actually are people who consider Voter ID laws to be racist yet they do not consider other ID laws racist; I would like to understand their rationale.

    Now, I believe you will agree that simply because I ask the question, it does not indicate that I believe either answer. As is evidenced by the quote of me that you`ve provided, am I ASKING for an opinion of whether or not the premises are true.

    I`m sorry, but I do not consider openly asking a question and inviting anyone into it to be baiting. Do you?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    "You guys are funny, Don`t you realize there is no point in getting your egos involved on the internet. I learned that when I was 14. You just have to realize everyone has their own opinion and you`re not going to change it by writing paragraphs as comments."

    Personally I do this because I work from home and sometimes need a little human interaction throughout the day. I`m not slacking. Certain tasks in my job have weird one minute delays that allow me to write a quick comment.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    "I`m sorry, but I do not consider openly asking a question and inviting anyone into it to be baiting. Do you?"

    Absolutely. Throwing out the word racism four times in two sentences seams to be very much race baiting. If you want to pretend to be moderate start acting like it.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:18 pm
    I have to run an errand. I`d like to say it`s been fun.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    CJ, if you want to punish the people actually doing it, then go ahead. I don`t have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is purposefully preventing wayyyyy more legal citizens from voting than you`ll be preventing from comiting a type of voter fraud that rarely happens and doesn`t affect the election in any way. It`s so rare that it`s basically a non-issue and yet you`re willing to take away people`s right to vote to prevent such a small amount of voter fraud. Republicans are more for these laws than Democrats because they know it`s going to affect more Democrats than it`s going to affect Republicans. Voter ID laws are a form of voter fraud itself because they`ll prevent legal citizens from exercising their right to vote for what`s essentially an invented reason that`s a non-issue.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    @markust

    Throwing out the word racism four times in two sentences seams to be very much race baiting.
    I was attempting to have a conversation about RACISM. How am I supposed to do that without using words like racism, racist, etc? By this logic, we could never have any meaningful conversations about what is and what is not racist.

    If you want to pretend to be moderate start acting like it.
    I`m not moderate at all; I`m libertarian. Moderates suggest moderate government involvement in economy and social issue. Libertarians suggest using the least possible government that adequately meets the needs of the people.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    "So if one person keys your car and scratches it all to hell then it`s not a problem because it was only one person, right? "

    As for this, yeah it`s an issue. That ONE person should be punished. Should a law be put into place where people have to show their ID every time they enter a parking lot or a neighborhood in order to prevent people from keying cars? I mean, one person did it, so now everyone should be punished right?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    Lillian: Having voter ID laws wouldn`t prevent anyone from getting an ID and voting, that`s a strawman argument that`s been around for decades.

    Most states that have these voter ID laws have even lowered and or eliminated their fees to get a state photo ID for low income people, just because they don`t want anyone disenfranchised.

    You need a photo ID to do a lot of things in this country and the time has come for the lame excuses to end.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    Throwing out the word racism four times in two sentences seams to be very much race baiting.

    Wait a minute which comment are we talking about? Furthermore you obviously don`t know what race baiting is, (or for that matter sarcasm).
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    Lillian: Requiring a photo ID to vote is not `punishment`, now you`re just getting ridiculous.

    People have came onto college campuses then kidnapped, raped and killed women. It hasn`t happened often, but it has made campuses require ID (and other security measures) for entrance.

    Now is that `punishing` you or your classmates to require them to have photo IDs?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    So I have a question for anyone who is against Voter ID laws and is willing to discuss it (hope I`m not race baiting!).

    What if, during the voter registration process (which is already a required process), you were also required to have your picture taken; this would be without charge. Then, when you receive your registration card it has your picture on it. This is now the only item required to vote.

    From what I can tell, this is a reasonable compromise. It alleviates the issue of discriminating while assuring others that each voter is legitimate. The only additional steps are having your picture taken and displaying your registration card at your polling center.

    Would anyone still be opposed to this?

    @Cajun

    Furthermore you obviously don`t know what race baiting is
    How dare you. Don`t you know that only he is uniquely qualified to assess what constitutes race baiting?
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    " Having voter ID laws wouldn`t prevent anyone from getting an ID and voting"
    Yes it would, especially if it goes into effect immediately without giving people a few years to prepare first. ID`s aren`t always free and not everyone are able to easily get to a place that provides picture IDs. Not only that, but it wont prevent actual voter fraud. It`ll prevent a VERY minimal amount of cases while making things a lot harder for everyone else.

    "You need a photo ID to do a lot of things in this country and the time has come for the lame excuses to end. "
    I was fine not having one (besides my school ID) and there are plenty of people who get by just fine without having one.

    " Requiring a photo ID to vote is not `punishment`, now you`re just getting ridiculous."
    Yes it is, it`s forcing people to spend money (by fee, transportation, etc) to further prove they are a citizen because of a crime they didn`t commit.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    I see madest is here now......
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    "People have came onto college campuses then kidnapped, raped and killed women. It hasn`t happened often, but it has made campuses require ID (and other security measures) for entrance."

    My campus allows anyone to enter. Anyone can come in, buy food, just walk around, go to our library, sit in our classrooms, etc. The IDs are for them to be prevented from doing things that are for students only. For example, they can`t borrow from the library and they can`t get discounted prices at our stores.

    "Now is that `punishing` you or your classmates to require them to have photo IDs? "
    Our IDs are free (well, I suppose they come from our tuition) and we actually get the IDs during our mandatory orientation. We only have to pay a fee if we lose ours and need a replacement.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    @HA: That is a very reasonable compromise. We`ve had voter ID required in Canada for a number of years now (instituted by conservatives, go figure), however our voter ID laws have many avenues, such as:
    (1) Show one original piece of identification with photo, name and address like a driver`s license or a health card. It must be issued by a government agency.
    (2) Show two original pieces of authorized identification. Both pieces must have a name and one must also have an address. Examples: student ID card, birth certificate, public transportation card, utility bill, bank/credit card statement, etc.
    (3) Take an oath and have an elector who knows the voter vouch for them (both of which will be required to make a sworn statement). This person must have authorized identification and their name must appear on the list of electors in the same polling division as the voter. This person can only vouch for one person and the person who is vouched for cannot vouch for another electo
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    HumanAction, Why would a libertarian advocate for voter ID? Seems to me to be the anti-libertarian position. Ron Paul would mock such madness. Or could it be you`re just another dumb republican in disguise?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    With these options I don`t believe voter ID has been an issue. The biggest problem I see with your current incarnations of voter ID is that they are too restrictive. The goal is to make it easy to vote, but to do so securely.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    How about we require multiple home owners to have voter ID? Seems to me they`re the only ones cheating.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    Don`t you know that only he is uniquely qualified to assess what constitutes race baiting?

    Point taken.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    @patchgrabber: Damn, Canada is ahead of us in common sense... I`m not 100% sure what I think about #3 yet but I guess if you can only vouch for one person then it wouldn`t be a big issue.

    @madest: Personally, I am against Voter ID laws. I am OK with the states enacting them though. This is actually the same stance as Ron Paul.

    What I`ve described is something called a "compromise"; it`s what happens when multiple disagreeing entities each modify their requirements slightly in order to achieve beneficial results for all. I am surprised that you are unfamiliar with the concept. Oh but that is right isn`t it, neither the liberals nor the conservatives actually understand the word.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    Why would a libertarian advocate for voter ID? Seems to me to be the anti-libertarian position.


    Because states have a compelling interest to insure the integrity of the elections. Otherwise, the right to vote would be entirely meaningless.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    How about we require multiple home owners to have voter ID?
    They would be required under all of the recently proposed Voter ID laws. What point were you trying to make here?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:20 pm
    @HA: I`m a little iffy on #3 as well although it would be helpful for an elderly person maybe, but at least if there is an issue you know exactly which registered, ID-checked voter to go to if there is a problem. With this system I don`t think I`ve ever heard of a problem
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    Because states have a compelling interest to insure the integrity of the elections. Otherwise, the right to vote would be entirely meaningless. -----------
    Yeah but states would have to pay for these free IDs because the 24th amendment prohibits any sort of poll tax which means tax-payers would be forced to foot the bill which is the antithesis of libertarianism.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    @HA: I think another reason why ours is so different from yours is because ours was introduced in 2007, when there was still a conservative minority government, meaning that if the opposing parties wanted to, they could have teamed up and voted down the conservatives` bill, so it kind of forced the government to work with the opposition and make concessions. Hoisted by your two-party petard. ;-)
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    "Don`t you know that only he is uniquely qualified to assess what constitutes race baiting?"

    Maybe if I explain where I was coming from you will see why I thought HA was race baiting. The disenfranchisement that these voter ID laws will cause in the short term for the upcoming election will affect not just African Americans but the poor, elderly and kids in college. This has nothing to do with race and HA knows that. This has to do with suppressing the democratic vote. To bring up such a loaded question about racism was in my opinion absolutely race baiting. How is interjecting racism into a conversation that has nothing to do with racism not race baiting?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    @madest: I think you`re (still) confused regarding the definition of libertarianism. Once again, libertarians believe in limited government and creating any legislation at the "lowest" possible level. The second part is the most important for our discussion because it lends into the notion of federalism.

    Now, to say that gathering taxes is the antithesis of libertarianism is absurd. Since you are going to bring up Ron Paul, I should mention that he believes in a 0% income tax. This is not the same as NO taxes. Instead, he simply wants the government to collect taxes the way the Constitution originally suggested (states collect from individuals, federal collects from states).

    Now, we can all run around and make outrageous, ignorant claims about "different" political beliefs. Sure, I could say that socialism is a central tenet of liberalism; that doesn`t make it right.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    Yeah but states would have to pay for these free IDs because the 24th amendment prohibits any sort of poll tax

    By this logic requiring that one prove himself a citizen IS a poll tax.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 2:07 pm
    @markust: For my question to be "race baiting" it must, by definition, have been made with the intent of purposefully angering or instigating members of a specific race.

    In my original question, which race did I identify and attack? If I remember correctly, I fashioned my original statement to be race neutral. The entire content of my original question was regarding the nature of racism and the Voter ID laws.

    I just fail to see how anyone could constitute that as race baiting.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm
    Lillian..how is it then not punishment to require somebody to go to a specific place to actually vote? That costs money. In states that mail in votes does that require a stamp?


    Madest...I challenge you or anyone else to show me somebody who owns two houses and doesn`t have ID.

    markust...The disenfranchisement that these voter ID laws will cause in the short term for the upcoming election will affect not just African Americans but the poor, elderly and kids in college. This has nothing to do with race and HA knows that. This has to do with suppressing the democratic vote.

    Again you go on with ^^^. You imply that the above mentioned could only be voting for Obama. Some of those so-called "disenfranchised voters" are certainly going to vote GOP, right?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    "Again you go on with ^^^. You imply that the above mentioned could only be voting for Obama. Some of those so-called "disenfranchised voters" are certainly going to vote GOP, right?"

    I absolutely did not imply that. This will affect some Republicans but the majority of people affected by this will be Democrats. That is why Republicans are pushing for such a quick implementation of the changes. You are being disingenuous if you don`t think so.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm
    "I just fail to see how anyone could constitute that as race baiting."

    Sorry, I thought race-bating meant trying to bait someone into a racist conversation. My mistake. The question still stands why did you bring up racism into a subject that has nothing to do with racism?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    @markust: The problem is that I was not trying to create a racist discussion. I was trying to have a discussion about racism. While there may be a fine line between the two, they are still fundamentally different.

    Now, as for why I tried to initiate this discussion, I`ll just quote myself:

    On a somewhat related note, I have a question that I am hoping someone may be able to answer for me regarding Voter ID laws.
    As my words suggest, I am trying to gain insight.

    I have heard an argument being made that, by establishing Voter ID laws, Republicans are being racist or, at very least, are hindering minorities. I have yet to have someone explain to me the rationale behind this.
    Here, I am asking anyone who harbors this feeling to explain to me why they feel that it is a racist policy.

    I`m out of space, but my next lines asks why, if it is racist, others aren`t.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3922 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    "Here, I am asking anyone who harbors this feeling to explain to me why they feel that it is a racist policy."

    I am glad to hear you were not trying to start a racist conversation. I`m still confused why you think people think this is about racism when it also affects students, the poor and the elderly. As far as I have seen only the people that are for implementing the laws quickly are bringing up this non-issue of racism. It`s kind of brought up to make the other side look unreasonable. But the question itself doesn`t make sense.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    I`m bored of this conversation so I will let you have the last word.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    [quote">I`m still confused why you think people think this is about racism when it also affects students, the poor and the elderly[/quote">
    I don`t think many people believe this, but I have seen the argument presented: Bill Maher Does.

    Personally, I think the whole race thing has really gotten out of hand. The President is black; how racist (as a collective) can we be? I get incredibly irritated with people who read racism into a situation. In most cases, it wasn`t because of your race; it was because you were being an ass.

    That being said, I enjoy listening to people with different opinions explain their positions. In this way, I find that I am usually better prepared during more meaningful conversations.
  83. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    markust: ...the majority of people affected by this will be Democrats.

    Older people, as a voting block, generally vote conservative. Plus, the democrats are well enough organized to drive and or bus people to the polls if need be. Since they do that, it wouldn`t be hard for them to get State IDs for those same people.

    Republicans are pushing for this because liberal groups like ACORN have been caught committing vote fraud.

    If people loose trust in our election system they will just quit voting, thinking their vote doesn`t count.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3922 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    "Republicans are pushing for this because liberal groups like ACORN have been caught committing vote fraud."

    A couple ACORN registers were caught committing registration fraud not voter fraud. There is a huge difference. Very few cases of voter fraud turn out to be actual voter fraud. A lot of that has to do with it being a Federal offense.

    I notice you are silent on the multiple links here that point to an RNC recommended group changing the registration info of Democratic voters they registered. Now that is voter fraud because these people would not have been able to vote if this problem had not been caught. Where is the Republican freak out on this?

    Like I said I am fine with Voter ID laws if they are implemented over a couple year period so that everyone has a chance to get ID`s. Pushing them so fast causes disenfranchisement. You know this is the case but you are playing ignorant. At least I hope it is an act.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    So in this thread, we`ve learned that both Dems and Reps commit voter fraud. Got it.

    So...we can`t do voter ID? To protect the most important part of the whole damned process, the entire foundation of our Government?

    What`s the real story? Because you will have less ability to find proof of Voter ID "disenfranchisement" than you will voter fraud.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
    2550 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    There is nothing in that vid that shows the DEM operators encouraging voter fraud. The woman in the first conversation went in twice & repeatedly tried to get the operator to become accomplice - no dice. `yes we can do it` is a slogan. That woman had to be escorted out of the office gently.
    Can I take forms for my friends & family? Yes you may.
    How is that a voter fraud?
    B U L L S H I T
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 8:38 pm
    markust: There have been more than just `a couple` of people involved with voter fraud, over 50 cases in Texas alone, Hundreds nationwide.

    Now some sites will quibble about those cases and state that some of those defendants got probation or supervision, that they weren`t `convicted` but that doesn`t change the fact that they did commit the crime.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3922 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    "Because you will have less ability to find proof of Voter ID "disenfranchisement" than you will voter fraud."

    The courts halted Pennsylvania`s voter ID law for the Nov election because there was no way everyone would be able to get an ID in time. Implementing the law so quickly would have disenfranchised some voters.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3922 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    "Because you will have less ability to find proof of Voter ID "disenfranchisement" than you will voter fraud."

    Florida`s new law to end Sunday voting was thrown out because so many African American`s would not be able to make it to the polls without their once a week ride they get to church - a day known as Souls to Polls.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3922 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    "Because you will have less ability to find proof of Voter ID "disenfranchisement" than you will voter fraud."

    The courts halted South Carolina`s voter ID law for the Nov election because there was no way everyone would be able to get an ID in time. Implementing the law so quickly would have disenfranchised some voters.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    Voter fraud gave us Obamacare. Al Frankin`s margin of victory was less than the number of felons who voted illegally in that election, and a poll showed that 90% of them voted Democrat. Franken went on to cast the deciding vote on Obamacare. Voter fraud really does matter, and don`t let the cheating Democrats tell you differently.

    If you can`t get your $#!+ together enough to get a photo ID, you don`t deserve a say as to who should win the election.
  92. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 9:40 pm
    markust: Most of these voter ID laws were enacted earlier this spring, there was plenty of time.

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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3922 posts
    October 12, 2012 at 11:40 pm
    "Voter fraud gave us Obamacare. Al Frankin`s margin of victory was less than the number of felons who voted illegally in that election, and a poll showed that 90% of them voted Democrat. Franken went on to cast the deciding vote on Obamacare. Voter fraud really does matter, and don`t let the cheating Democrats tell you differently."

    That is a huge lie. Whatever makes you feel better about loosing I guess.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 12, 2012 at 11:43 pm
    "Most of these voter ID laws were enacted earlier this spring, there was plenty of time."

    Courts say no, dummy.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 13, 2012 at 5:28 am
    markust: It only takes a few minutes to get an ID, if you don`t go during the busiest times of the day (noon and after 4pm). 6 months was more than enough time, but instead of readying their voters the DNC decided to turn it into an issue of race and sue in court.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 13, 2012 at 8:24 am
    They sued because there wasn`t enough time. And in the two example I linked they won because there was not enough time. I would like to think that you are not this stupid.
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    birdawg68 Male 40-49
    133 posts
    October 13, 2012 at 8:58 am
    I say the reporters kind of set up the office. Not hard to do, democrats are stupid. But so are republicans. Vote Gary Johnson
  98. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 13, 2012 at 10:07 am
    markust: They sued saying it was racist. In all the TV interviews it was charges of racism, racism, ageism, racism, the poor, racism. Never once did I hear them say "it`s not enough time".

    What the judges ruled and the charges were, were two different things.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 13, 2012 at 10:37 am
    "They sued saying it was racist. In all the TV interviews it was charges of racism, racism, ageism, racism, the poor, racism. Never once did I hear them say "it`s not enough time".

    I`m done with you. I`m not going to waste time on a liar. You know pretty soon you are going to have no one to argue against and you will only have your dishonesty and inability to admit you are wrong to blame.
  100. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 13, 2012 at 10:50 am
    markust: Shall I link to some TV interviews about the subject before the rulings? Or are you conceding the point that the charges against voter ID laws were racism, not time?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 13, 2012 at 11:36 am
    Fine, I`ll bite. Show me one lawyer for the defense that is saying they are suing/or sued because the law is racist. The lawyer has to be involved in the case. They can not just be some random layer on a pundits show.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 13, 2012 at 11:46 am
    I will admit I was wrong in my statement, "They sued because there wasn`t enough time." That was the ruling not why they sued. They sued because the laws would disenfranchise black, poor, elderly and student voters. They sued because the laws would disenfranchise a vast majority of Democrats in these four groups. They sued because one party was trying to win an election by limiting the other parties votes.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    October 13, 2012 at 1:42 pm
    @markust That is a huge lie. Whatever makes you feel better about loosing I guess.
    You forgot to qualify your statement. It should have read, "According to propaganda from a bunch of lying left-wing Democrats, that is a huge lie."
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    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    October 15, 2012 at 2:47 am
    How quick the disenfranchised are to employ their adversaries` tactics.. story of diversity in America.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    October 15, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    ha ha as if votes are counted
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    Palfas Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    Because as we all know, saying your going to do something and actually doing it are exactly the same thing, right?!?

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