Congressman Moran`s Son Caught In Voter Fraud

Submitted by: CrakrJak 4 years ago in

Pat Moran resigned after this made the news. Anyone want to bet this happens all the time undetected?
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Male 579
... but clearly we don`t need voter ID or anything that might even help a tiny bit to make elections more fair and honest. There`s no voter fraud! It`s all in your mind you disenfranchising Repugs! /end sarcasm.
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Male 14
This goes on all the time. It happens on both sides but is surely more prominent with Democrats.

This is the Chicago way and how the Obama administration operates. My father was an Alderman in Chicago. He used to tell me all the dirty tricks and scams they would use there to get votes. Voting multiple times, voting using dead people`s names, paying people to vote for them, the list goes on and on.

Why do you think the Democrats fight so hard every time a state tries to pass laws requiring a photo ID to vote? It will seriously hinder their ability to manufacture votes!
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Male 17,511
mikelae: Project Veritas has released all their videos unedited, none of them are fake, apparently you didn`t even watch this video in it`s entirety.
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Male 884
@mikelae18 guess you didn`t watch it then. full raw video at 8:18
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Male 79
These are the same people who made the fake videos about Acorn trying to help a pimp and prostitute get free housing. They where edited to be misleading. If you look at all of his videos this seems to be the case. Please release the entire video unedited, no voice over, no subtitles.
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Male 133
Actually, there is a federal law that allows the electoral college to vote for whom they choose, and they do not have to follow the popular vote of their state. So, I will throw my vote away by voting for a "third" party candidate who is worthy of serving this country as president, instead of the two douches running. My state is already committed to Mitt, its the swing states electoral votes that are still up for grabs. And it does not matter how you vote, the electoral college will decide. I vote we eliminate the electoral college. Popular vote all the way.
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Male 884
Plenty of people choose not to vote for either liar. That, of itself, is not apathy.
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Male 1,164
The question I ask is who really should care? If there really was 100 people out there not bothering to vote, I think if someone was willing to go as far as to impersonate 100 people just to get their apathetic names in the hat, then power to them. If I were told that should I not vote, my vote would be given to a voting person, you bet I`d man up and get my butt to the polls.

Really, it`s not like your "democracy" isn`t already giving power to the small percentage of people who actually go and vote anyways.
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Male 884
@HG

I disagree, they offered something he wanted and he took the bait. He was out there. He didn`t stay at home, he was out there looking for his own political gain. They did not go into his home and lure him into political activity. It is exactly the same. He put himself out there, not in a chatroom, but in an office where people were welcome to go and talk to him.
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Male 884
If by "very narrow way" you mean that I am not prepared to say anything positive about a corrupt political wannabe then you are correct.

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Male 5,014
I`m going to jump out of this. I`m sure people are more than bored with my any comments here.
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Male 9,761
An-egg

"This is exactly the same method as used in To Catch a Predator."

Um, no.

If this was like to catch a predator this guy would be on chat boards trying to find people to commit voter fraud and then chatting with them about how to do it and then agreeing to meet up.

If catch a predator was like this they would have a 12 yr old in a bikini go up to some guy and sit on his lap and start rubbing his d.ick asking if they could have sex while the guy said no for an hour and a half and then finally said IF they were going to have sex these are some things they`d have to do.
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Male 884
"Patrick is well liked and was a well-respected member of the campaign team. This incident, however, was clearly an error in judgment," said a statement from Moran for Congress. "The campaign has accepted Patrick`s resignation, effective immediately."

"Well respected" =/= "dumb ass kid(s)"
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Male 5,014
"I know how I would respond but then I am not a power hungry, corrupt politician wannabe who will do anything to achieve their personal ends."

You are looking at this in a very narrow way.
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Male 884
I know how I would respond but then I am not a power hungry, corrupt politician wannabe who will do anything to achieve their personal ends.

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Male 5,014
And in my scenario it is your young son or daughter. They don`t really know any better. They are dumb ass kids.
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Male 5,014
"Anyone with a little morals wouldn`t get caught in the trap. They would say, "What you`re suggesting is illegal now get out before I call the police.", not that they know a lawyer that can help."

That is easy to say but how do you know how people would respond in this situation?
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Male 884
Anyone with a little morals wouldn`t get caught in the trap. They would say, "What you`re suggesting is illegal now get out before I call the police.", not that they know a lawyer that can help.
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Male 5,014
Let me put it this way. Would you like something like this to happen to your son or daughter? Different scenario than the video here. But let`s say James O`keefe`s crew comes in and pushes and pushes and pushes your good son or daughter into finally giving in to what they want. And then your son or daughter is on the national news for doing something he/she really didn`t go out to do in the first place. This kind of reporting turns good people into criminals. It pushes people into being criminals. Anyone with even a little bit of morals should see how bad coerced "investigative" reporting is.
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Male 884
As it stands: they seem to think that they are above the law, because they are above the law to all intents and purposes.
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Male 884
And to be fair, I would say that the politician involved was a stupid and dangerous waste of oxygen.

I would love to see some former leaders brought to trial for their outrageous crimes. It might help others to avoid similar actions.
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Male 5,014
You`ll know what I am talking about when some scumbag liberal copies this technique and does this back to conservatives. I will be equally disgusted because coerced "investigative" reporting is bullsh*t. It turns good people into criminals with very little fault of their own.
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Male 884
You may not like him, but he too is getting scum off the streets. A corrupt (or even, if you prefer, corruptible ) politician is far more dangerous than a sexual predator. The former has the capacity to destroy millions of lives for their personal gain, the latter generally can only destroy one life at a time.

This person is ultimately responsible for his illegal actions. Politicians are devious people by nature, good job he wasn`t tricked by someone who was trying to blackmail him.
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Male 5,014
You won`t see how much they push and push because that is edited out. James O`keefe is really sh*t on the bottom of sh*t`s shoe.
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Male 5,014
And what James O`keefe does is nothing like To Catch a Predator. On that show the pedophiles are actively searching for a victim. James O`keefe`s scumbag technique is to coerce someone into breaking the law who normally wouldn`t. They push and push and push until the people are like, fine if you will just go away here. Not defending the people. They should be smarter than that but still the techniques are pure scum.
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Male 5,014
"This is exactly the same method as used in To Catch a Predator. It seems fair when they do it."

To Catch a Predator gets away with it because they are getting pedophiles off the street. But even then true journalists do not consider their coerced traps ethical.
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Male 39,913

Way to take your son down with you.
Where else would he learn dirty politics but from Daddy.
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Male 884
This is exactly the same method as used in To Catch a Predator. It seems fair when they do it.

The trap is that he pretends to be what they want and then films them going for the bait.

I know, I know. Yes. It is unfair on sexual predators to compare them to corrupt politicians.
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Male 5,014
"So it`s all fair if 60 minutes, Frontline or NBC Nightly News does it, but not when conservatives do it?"

Legitimate news sources do not do coerced "investigative" reporting. Either you are playing stupid or you really don`t understand what they are doing in their "investigations".
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Male 17,511
markust: [quote]Coerced "investigative" reporting is manipulative, deceitful and dishonest. It is not journalism.[/quote]

So it`s all fair if 60 minutes, Frontline or NBC Nightly News does it, but not when conservatives do it?
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Male 3,445
`So that makes it OK then? Paleeze! If they get caught they should be in the pokey doing real time.`

I never said that makes it okay.
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Male 884
Blah blah blah. At the end of the day another crooked politician got caught. The more of this on both sides the better.
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Male 5,014
"Typical democrat response to something they can`t defend, Bury head in the sand and ignore it."

Coerced "investigative" reporting is manipulative, deceitful and dishonest. It is not journalism. Attacking me won`t take the stink off of this one.
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Male 17,511
markust: Typical democrat response to something they can`t defend, Bury head in the sand and ignore it and or blame the messenger.
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Male 5,014
"Seems like he`s being coerced into making this wrong decision."

That is James O`keefe`s trademark. He is the scum of all scums. Anyone who uses this "investigative" technique on the left or the right are bottom of the barrel pieces of sh*t. He really is the lowest of the low. I can`t believe anyone is defending this type of coerced entrapment.
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Female 695
oooh 1 caught? What about all the others.
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Male 10,855
Allegations regarding Al Franken`s election is more along the lines of [quote]electoral fraud[/quote]. That is officials tampering with the adminstration of the election. Something voter ID isn`t going to fix.
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Male 5,014
Saw Breitbart`s main video manipulator James O`keefe talking, turned off video.
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Male 2,711
Jim Moran`s statement:

"I don’t condone the actions of the right wing organization in question, but I recognize that this incident is teaching Patrick a tough lesson early in life. I know that my son`s intention was to deflect the line of questioning by this trained political operative bent on goading him into a specific response, but the fact remains that the conversation drifted into discussions that reflected a serious error in judgment that Patrick wishes he could take back. In life, if we learn from our mistakes, we move forward stronger, wiser, and committed to ensuring they are not repeated. I know Patrick will come out of this tough situation a better man for it."

You gotta admit, that was a pretty classy, well-spoken response.
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Male 10,855
[quote] It doesn`t make a difference? Yes it can and does.[/quote]

Out of how many times though? Election outcomes like that are few and far between. As for 2000 Al Gore could`ve won his home state of Tennessee rendering Florida irrelevant.
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Male 2,711
We all know there will be some people in both parties who could be conned into saying something stupid. Makes one wonder why you don`t see Democrat-leaning organizations doing this type of so-called "undercover reporting." Oh yeah, the Dems have this little thing called morals. It is brutally obvious that the Repubs are much, much better at these low-life tactics.
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Male 9,761
jury1of1

"But voter fraud doesn`t take place. Nah. "

Yes. One anecdotal entrapment attempt where no fraud actually takes place trumps the numerous studies that show voter fraud happens very rarely.
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Male 132
A perfect example of why all the push back to voter id laws. But voter fraud doesn`t take place. Nah.
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Male 2,694
HG, do you have a reading comprehension problem? I just quoted you in complete agreement. But then pointed out that no matter what there will still be people w/o the proper means to vote come 2016. At that point somebody will make the same argument they are making today.

I have also stated that ANY voter fraud is WRONG. OK..you get it? If an elephant does it, it is wrong. M`Kay? If a donkey does it, it`s wrong M`Kay? If and independent does it, it`s wrong. M`Kay. Can I be any clearer on the subject?
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Male 17,511
HG: [quote]If everyone, including poor people and old people had an ID why would anyone complain? Liberals certainly wouldn`t.[/quote]

They`d still be screaming `disenfranchisement` claiming people still didn`t have IDs. I mean really, how could you prove everyone has an ID? We can`t even get a 100% accurate census.
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Male 2,694
xelous...When your dad is congressman and you`re working for his campaign and somebody wants to talk to you about doing something illegal like.....I dunno...voter fraud.

You A: Engage them in a lengthy conversation?
Or
You B: Tell them to piss off?
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Male 17,511
Cajun: Franken won his senate seat by by a razor-thin 312 votes 4 years ago. That in turn gave the democrats the 60 votes they needed to cram Obamacare through.

It doesn`t make a difference? Yes it can and does.
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Male 9,761
DromEd

"No problem man. But don`t act like in four years people won`t still be yelling the same argument they are today and some liberal is going on and on about how the poor or the old or whatever are being disenfranchised. "

If everyone, including poor people and old people had an ID why would anyone complain? Liberals certainly wouldn`t. If every registered democrat and every registered republican vote, liberals win.

Step outside of the bias. You don`t think that a republican led initiative to get voter ID laws in Pennsylvania in a close swing state months before an election that only really effects people that tend to vote democrats is a tactic? You REALLY think it is all about fraud? Why isn`t fraud in Texas or Alabama important?
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Male 2,694
Cajun a handful of votes decided FL in 2000 and thus the election.
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Male 2,513
Seems like he`s being coerced into making this wrong decision. He even tells the guy that it would be easier to just convince new voters to vote. I`m sure that voter fraud occurs on a much greater scale than this and there are no hidden cameras for that
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Male 2,694
[quote]Have voter ID laws. Absolutely. Demand photo ID. But get everyone a free photo ID first. Don`t try to force it through 3 months before an election so it clearly only affects poor people who don`t have ID.[/quote]

No problem man. But don`t act like in four years people won`t still be yelling the same argument they are today and some liberal is going on and on about how the poor or the old or whatever are being disenfranchised. Because you know damn well some people just won`t get off their ass to help themselves and some politician will always be there ringing the bell and feelin` their pain.
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Male 28
People still take the Acorn Pimp guy seriously? Hasnt he been exposed as a douche enough fro people to NOT take him seriously.

Oh i forgot, Fox News like sucking his dick.
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Male 10,855
Good grief the hardened libtards were drumming up mountains of anecdotal evidence to push through god awful laws like Obamacare. Now here the ID proponents trying to do the same thing. It is nigh IMPOSSIBLE for the recorded levels of voter fraud to swing an election, especially when it in person fraud. Albeit more problematic not even absentee voter fraud can swing an election.
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Male 2,694
Fools..."both sides do it."

So that makes it OK then? Paleeze! If they get caught they should be in the pokey doing real time. One of the main reasons we enjoy peaceful transfer of power is the confidence of the integrity of our elections. It`s imperative that voter fraud be stamped out wherever it is found.
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Male 20
First all that is done here is talking about how it COULD be done and no law is actually broken. This is much different that actually committing fraud. Second, if even one of those none-voting-voters actually did decide to vote, they would be able to track down the fraudster. This type of fraud just isn`t worth the risk or effort to add a couple votes (even a hundred votes). The risk/reward is unsustainable. On the other hand a few people appointed to the right place in government can kick of 10`s or 100`s of thousand people off the voter roles, and with careful selection and ensure they are largely for a one party or the other. Effectively removing thousands of votes from an election. (Statistically removing votes if more effective than adding votes.) There is exact thing happening in Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Colorado, Texas and many other states. From voter purgers, redistricting, long lines, and ID`s; there are many way to engineer an election more effective then fraud.
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Male 9,761
Wouldn`t it be nice if project veritas was a legitimate non-biased initiative? They might actually have some credibility. However all they do is target democrats and democratic organizations.

There are thousands of staffers on election campaigns. If you had a team of people walking up to republican staffers offering to take all the risk to commit voter fraud NO republican staffers are going to give casual advice on how to do it?

COME ON.

Everyone in politics is corrupt. Are you acting like this is a partisan issue?

Have voter ID laws. Absolutely. Demand photo ID. But get everyone a free photo ID first. Don`t try to force it through 3 months before an election so it clearly only affects poor people who don`t have ID.

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Male 3,445
Just last week a Republican staffer was caught throwing voter registration forms in a garbage dumpster. Both parties do this. They both want to be in power, why wouldn`t you expect both sides to do it?
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Male 646
I think that Patrick Moran watches too much of that tv show Battleground.

And he didn`t commit voter fraud, and the advice that he gave was horrible. He`s not going to be a kingmaker anytime soon.
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Male 1,866
Again with the democraps and voter fraud. No, this NEVER happens. NO need for voter ID laws.

Maybe the republicans aren`t racist after all and the democraps really are corrupt.

Come on lefties, tell me it isn`t so. again.
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Male 17,511
Link: Congressman Moran`s Son Caught In Voter Fraud [Rate Link] - Pat Moran resigned after this made the news. Anyone want to bet this happens all the time undetected?
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