Abortion Never Necessary To Save Women`s Lives

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago in

Rep. J Walsh says exceptions to abortion bans aren"t necessary because science would not allow a pregnant woman to die
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Male 3,147
btw, which medical school was it you graduated from Crackr?

if the answer is `none`, then you`re really not as qualified to answer in any way what those higher risk medical conditions were than the doctors that put together the stats in the first place.
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Male 3,147
"Listypoos: High blood pressure and high cholesterol is a `risk to the life` of the person that has them. That doesn`t mean they`ll die immediately.

Thankfully, modern medicine has lowered many health risks, especially in the last 20 years. "


again, an unsuitable analogy because you can`t actually think of one that makes sense. Are the medical reasons stated for the abortions mentioned in the stats? No... yet you`d rather make up bullpoo minor `risks` as the reason for them than just present honest facts as they were presented to parliament and leave it up to other people to form their own conclusion - that in itself suggest s that you are insecure with the stats and don`t just want to present them `as is` you want to present them and then lead other people to assume they were minor risks like those you`ve come up with yourself there.... don`t try and spin the stats your way, just cut and paste them - ALL of them.

btw..which medical school w
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Male 379
@CrakrJak

Medical risks or not, who are you not support something you will never have to decide in your life? who are you to judge someone for making a decision that will not effect your life at all. having said that, i am pro life. i am a father. there are two reasons to have an abortion, rape and health factors (no matter how small the risk). And don`t give me some "god/the bible says" bullpoo, because here`s a secret, the thinking man doesn`t believe in your fairy tales and imaginary friend. tolerance doen`t mean you have to agree with something, it just means you have to accept it. i have to deal with god and religion in my communities and schools passing on ignorance to future generations... all you have to deal with is some irresponsible people that you will never know or meet doing something that you don`t agree with and doesn`t effect you. boo hoo.
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Male 17,511
Listypoos: High blood pressure and high cholesterol is a `risk to the life` of the person that has them. That doesn`t mean they`ll die immediately.

Thankfully, modern medicine has lowered many health risks, especially in the last 20 years.

Case in point, 20 years ago a 2 month premature baby would`ve died, now they are routinely treated and live. Life saving measures have been applied to the mother as well.

The stats I quoted are 20 years old, but they are the only ones I could find. I`m betting the numbers are even lower now, but without a modern study to point to it`s hard to know for sure.

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Male 3,147
Do really do come out with some poo.

you really think that is an apt analogy for those scenarios?
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Male 17,511
Listypoos: You`re just wrong on this point, there are a lot of health conditions that pregnancy can `put the life of the mother at risk`. That doesn`t mean they are going to die, it means they have risk factors that make their pregnancy troublesome.

Pregnant women`s hormones can run amok and cause all sorts of problems to even healthy women, those that aren`t healthy are more `at risk`.

Driving with a seat beat is risky, driving with out a seat belt puts your life at risk. Does that mean you`re going to die if you don`t buckle up? No.

Get it now?
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Male 6,099
An-egg,
Thank you. I`ll try to keep that in mind.
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Male 3,147
"Listypoos: Wrong, The others you are trying to add were pregnancies that had a `health risk` to the mother. Women with Diabetes, epilepsy, and other ailments have such `health risks` with pregnancy, that doesn`t mean they would`ve died or become gravely ill."

instead of putting quotation marks around a phrase that doesn`t even exist in the stats you were quoting, why didn`t you just quote the entire stats rather than leave those 23000 people out?

The question the Mp asked in parliament was how many women had terminations during that time because of medical reasons... they broke the figures down into two groups, those with immediate need of termination and those where it was a risk to the life of the woman to continue with the pregnancy.

you left them out because it made a weaker argument for your statement... don`t bullpoo it, just include the stats that were given and leave it up to people to interpret them themselves.
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Male 884
^^^or the title link up there
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Male 884
@broizfam it happens when you refresh the page. Why, I don`t know. If you use the more comments link to refresh the page it won`t happen
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Male 6,099
I think my laptop is having seizures!
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Male 6,099
I`m not sure the caption is quite accurate but he does seem to have seem to feel that way. I won`t comment on his pro-life stance. I`m pro-choice, he`s pro-life and we each have the right. Pregnancy can impact a woman`s health seriously. Women sometimes still have life long health problems and women still die due to pregnancy related health issues. It`s rare, that`s correct, but it still happens. I know...I`m still in practice as an obstetrician.
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Male 6,099
How`d THAT happen?
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Male 6,099
I`m not sure the caption is quite accurate but he does seem to have seem to feel that way. I won`t comment on his pro-life stance. I`m pro-choice, he`s pro-life and we each have the right. Pregnancy can impact a woman`s health seriously. Women sometimes still have life long health problems and women still die due to pregnancy related health issues. It`s rare, that`s correct, but it still happens. I know...I`m still in practice as an obstetrician.
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Male 6,099
zombunny,
We wouldn`t need drive-thru. We`d have house-calls!
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Male 6,099
I`m not sure the caption is quite accurate but he does seem to have seem to feel that way. I won`t comment on his pro-life stance. I`m pro-choice, he`s pro-life and we each have the right. Pregnancy can impact a woman`s health seriously. Women sometimes still have life long health problems and women still die due to pregnancy related health issues. It`s rare, that`s correct, but it still happens. I know...I`m still in practice as an obstetrician.
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Male 17,511
Listypoos: Wrong, The others you are trying to add were pregnancies that had a `health risk` to the mother. Women with Diabetes, epilepsy, and other ailments have such `health risks` with pregnancy, that doesn`t mean they would`ve died or become gravely ill.
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Male 4,431
tiful to mention). No, Listypoos, there is no room for logic in this conversation. No room at all. :-(
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Male 4,431
Listypoos, let`s not be clouding up this conversation with logic! I mean, if we did, we`d have to wonder why real sex and contraception education is being OUTLAWED in this country in favor of Taliban-like abstinence-only education (actual, verifiable sources here), we`d have to wonder why there`s such a fight against funding contraception and other preventive services, including the morning after pill, which prevents pregnancy, does not terminate it (sources too plen
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Male 3,147
Crackr, I think you purposely missed a little bit of relevant information off those quoted stats from Hansard - the bit at the end of the quote that says there were an awful lot more than 0.006% that were performed due to the risk to the mother but they were performed before that risk got to the `immediate need` stage.

Why didn`t you mention those 23,000 extra in your quote?
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Male 17,511
Gerry: The first statistic is from Dr Michael Jarmulowicz, as cited in The Physical and Psycho-Social effects of Abortion on Women: A Report by the Commission of Inquiry into the Operation and Consequences of The Abortion Act, June 1994 p. 5

I have link to the second statistic, Here.
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Male 40,259

CrakrJak, while I agree with you on abortion, I`d like to know your source for those statistics.
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Male 373
Once again, boredom not cured.
Is it just the same posters, having the same arguments over and over again oon here?
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Female 2,525
If men could get pregnant we`d have drive-thru abortion clinics.
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Male 19
Thanks be to the Christ our Lord that I was able to stumble upon some random right-wing statistics in the comments section of the IAB forums.

This has certainly changed my views on as personal a topic as abortion, rape and/or religion. Thank God for you HEROES out there doing the research and spreading the meticulously gathered data all across the internet. IAB, reddit and youtube would not be as informative without it.

Since we all know that 87% of all internet statistical claims are in-fact true, it is imperative that you post more often to increase the amount of "truth" out there on the interwebs.

Also, I never thanked you guise for convincing me that the earth is like 6,000 years old. Saying it with a straight face and repeating it over and over totally makes it legit. Keep up the fight. Because we are all convinced, just like you, that there is some sort of fight or struggle or war of some sort going on where you are being victimized. You
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Male 194
Law and morality are not the same thing. What is illegal is not always immoral, and what is immoral should not always be illegal. I will accept that abortion is immoral except when the mother`s health (including mental health) is endangered by the pregnancy. However, making abortion illegal would result in (illegal) abortions being performed in unsanitary conditions, and would probably make it difficult for a safe abortion to be obtained in circumstances where it is morally proper to do so.

Criminalization of an act nearly always produces more harm than good, and should be the last resort in the prevention of immoral behavior.
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Male 17,511
Between 1967 and 1990, only 151 abortions have been carried out to save the mother`s life, a figure amounting to 0.004% of all abortions.

OF the 6.4 million abortions for women in England and Wales, 143 (0.006 percent) were performed under Section 1(4), i.e. where the termination is immediately necessary to save the life of the pregnant woman.

In other words, He`s right, It almost never happens.
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Male 10,120
When stupid people liek this open their mouth it makes everyone that sides with them seem stupid.

I`m pro-life. What he SHOULD be saying is that rape, incest, or life of the mother have very little to do with abortion in America. They account for less than 2% of all abortions. Most abortions in this country are elective plain and simple.

Also, can SOMEONE explain to me why incest is included in the exclusions?
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Female 674
Oh great. Not another one of these sheltered Christian types.
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Male 4,431
...there have been so many advances in medical science that `health of the mother` is not even a real thing... (or whatever)

So says the person with no uterus.
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Male 1,497
Did thst guy eat paint chips as a child?
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Male 10,855
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Male 10,855
Oh yeah nevermind before the 20th century how widespread and problematic maternal deaht was.

Oh and the problem`s pretty bad in Africa too.
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Female 2,525
Men like this would be funny if they weren`t terrifying.
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Male 886
Oh look. We Americans elected another douchebag moron career politician.

Surprised? I hope not. This guy should be aborted for the sake of humanity.
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Female 9,585
How are these people even elected to Congress in the first place?
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Female 8,043
Link: Abortion Never Necessary To Save Women`s Lives [Rate Link] - Rep. J Walsh says exceptions to abortion bans aren`t necessary because science would not allow a pregnant woman to die
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