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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    Link: 10 Things The Church Should Know... - about homosexuality.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    October 8, 2012 at 4:12 pm
    I disagree with the civil ceremony meaning it`s a civil right. Marriage was an institution born from cannon law. I propose ditching state marriage, have civil partnerships for everyone and let religious folk deal with marriage themselves. As many atheists don`t want a marriage but a civil partnership and aren`t allowed it anyway. Keeps argument about oneself and their religion. And oneselfs and their government.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    October 8, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    one thing the church should know... gods are imaginary...
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    October 8, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    A-freakin`-men!
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    @mervviscious - Exactly, you beat me to it!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    #1 = FAIL! Epic, all-time ultimate FAIL! A FAIL of *gasp* "Biblical Proportions"!! lolz!!

    Off to a bad start, eh?

    The rest moves from crap to fail; teh stupid should be self-evident, but no doubt SOME IABers will find this amazing and stuff...

    Jesus never discussed internet p0rn...
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    October 8, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    Who would have guessed? Another anti-religion topic.
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    highonhuffin Male 40-49
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    October 8, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    @mervviscious:
    Congratulations! You beat whodat6484 at making an a ss of yourself. Stating `gods are imaginary` or `all religion is b.s.` is equal to (and just as relevant) as `FIRST!`
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    defendors87 Male 18-29
    570 posts
    October 8, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    speaking of judging........
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 8, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    "Who would have guessed? Another anti-religion topic."

    Actually the people who use the bible to attack gay people are the ones who are anti-religious.
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    defendors87 Male 18-29
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    October 8, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    One thing homosexuals should know: God loves everybody no matter who you are. We are all children of God and are entitled to every blessing he has to offer us. But the receiving of those blessings is conditional upon following the commandment linked to them. Marriage is not purely civil. For some people it is a religious sealing that makes you one for all of eternity. But to have that right, a man must marry a woman.
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    Daegog Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2012 at 5:25 pm
    My thought, ban all marriage as we know it today.

    Replace it with a communal partner ship (complete with prenuptials) that lasts for 4 years.

    If the partnership is not RENEWED (just like a drivers license) then partnership is dissolved and both parties go their own way according to the prenuptial contract.

    Kids and home might make somethings sticky, but i think its preferable to paying all these worthless divorce lawyers everytime bob/jane cheats on whomever.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    October 8, 2012 at 5:29 pm
    @OutWest,
    I wouldn`t characterize this so much as an "anti-religion" topic as an "anti- you using your religious beliefs to persecute others who believe differently" topic.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    Not sure how this is anti-religious?

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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 8, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    "Marriage is not purely civil. For some people it is a religious sealing that makes you one for all of eternity. But to have that right, a man must marry a woman."

    I know a deeply religious lesbian couple who went through a religious marriage in a church. Who are you to say that God only wants one man and one woman to marry? Isn`t that up to God to decide?
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 8, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    Preaching to the choir. These annoy me, it`s basically self-gratifying masturbation.
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    defendors87 Male 18-29
    570 posts
    October 8, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    I doubt this will do any good but...
    OT-Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
    NT-1 Cor 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 8, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    The bible is not a weapon to be used to feel superior. It is a book that should be used as a guide to learn how to love, and understand, all mankind - not just the ones that are like you.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2012 at 6:25 pm
    in respect to what marriage is in the US, it is PURELY a civil ceremony recongized asa legal contract between two people for the purposes of assessing taxes.

    IT IS NOT A RELIGIOUS MATTER according to the state, not in the least.

    you may make it so for yourself, but be aware, it holds no real authority or legal consideration if you do.

    in other words, any other meaning, religious or otherwise that you give it, is in your head only.

    this post is 100% spot on.

    you don;t like gay marriage,e don`t get gay married.

    if it is against your religion remember, that IS YOUR RELIGION and kept that shat to yourself.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2012 at 6:26 pm
    5Cats

    I am pretty sure even your cats can`t stand you.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    @highonhuffin - Congratulations on being indoctrinated into a religion, the subsequent brainwashing, and not having the intelligence to question what you are told.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2012 at 7:59 pm
    Marriage is not purely civil. For some people it is a religious sealing that makes you one for all of eternity.
    Well the former is just incorrect, but the latter is something that can hardly be thought of as meaningful to anyone outside of those two people. If two people want to view their marriage as a symbol of readiness to be taken into alien spaceships that`s their business, but that doesn`t mean alien spaceships have anything to do with marriage.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 8, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    Isn`t that up to God to decide?
    @markust: as soon as God clues me in? I`ll let you know. Hint: The age where God makes personal appearences is over.

    The bible is not a weapon to be used to feel superior.
    @markust: I CANNOT agree with you more! You are 100% BANG-ON with that statement.

    Only a FOOL would imagine to "know God`s word" on things these days. Certainly there are things inside the Bibe which are straightforward, BUT there`s plenty that`s "up for grabs".

    @elkingo: It`s "anti-religion" because it PRETENDS to quote actual religion while really it does not.
    #1 is the biggest LIE in all of Atheistic history.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 8, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    5Cats

    I am pretty sure even your cats can`t stand you.
    Cross-posted.
    @jamie76: I openly challenge your claim of being a "mental health worker" in ANY form.
    You claim multiple "PHD`s" (or degrees) I say that`s a lie.
    You claim to work in the "metal health field" I claimyou are a janitor or a file clerk... or an inmate in an institution.

    Your actions? > your words.
    Your HATE? > your claims of neutrality.

    E-mail: @FancyLad, @DavyMid, @CobraKiller, Almightybob or @Kitteh9 with your FACTS. These are Mods whom I trust and I honestly believe are neutral.

    You sicken me.
    You are a pathetic waste of human flesh.

    I am a mental ill person who is applying for help.
    YOU know this.
    YOU never let up in your attacks.

    If you truely hold a position where you are a "mental health professional" you need to IMMEDIATLY be fired.
    srsly.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 8, 2012 at 9:54 pm
    "what a sad sad life this person must have...one would think it is comparable to the life of someone living alone with 5 or more cats...yea I did."

    Link
    He`s attacking across the IAb board, I think this is NOT proper behaviour!

    Sick of it, really I am.

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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    October 8, 2012 at 9:55 pm
    patch, maybe aliens have EVERYTHING to do with marriage.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    I think everyone should have the right to marry whoever/whatever/howevermany they want. Why does the government have to be involved with anyone`s marriage?

    Most of the "protections" the government provides married couples can be done privately with legal contracts.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    October 8, 2012 at 11:02 pm
    @highonhuffin what a di ck.. a small i bet but still a di ck...
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 12:14 am
    5Cats
    Done a bit of cross referencing and I fear you are being harassed, mods need to have a word here,
    its not good nor healthy.
    We all on IAB have arguments but have the temerity to live and let live afterwards, this does not seem the case here, its directed and not goodly
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 2:40 am
    If it makes you feel any better 5Cats, I`m sure your cats love you :3
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    tsiemens Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 2:55 am
    number 8 is not really applicable, since teachings against homosexuality are brought forward into the new testament. Also Jesus came to fulfill the law not abolish it, so while god still demands leviticus law from each of us, the sacrifice of christ allows us to escape those harsh laws but it does not excuse us from sin in all forms, not just being "gay"
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 4:32 am
    @5cats

    Not only do i think your cats love you, i`m pretty sure some of the folks around here do buddy, i for one think your f*c.king awsome for having the guts to say that you might have a problem and that you are looking for help in such a public place. That takes _Balls_ and if you have balls i`m sure you can deal with what you have to deal with and i hope _you_ understand that.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 5:25 am
    Heck, 5Cats, I hate your politics and your stance on most religiously based, moral issues, but to be fair, I hate my Father`s stance on the same issues and I still hang out with him for a beer, when I visit.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 6:17 am
    I disagree with the civil ceremony meaning it`s a civil right. Marriage was an institution born from cannon law.

    Marriage far predates canon law, so how on Earth could it be born from canon law?

    From your language, I think you`re British.

    So...for marriage and history you can have either British laws or ancient Roman law (where the word "marriage" comes from).

    Marriage in Ancient Rome was secular apart from the archaic form used only by the nobility and only in the city of Rome itself (and not often even by that minority).

    Marriage in Britain was secular apart from a brief period a couple of hundred years ago in England and Wales (but not Scotland, which is part of the reason why Gretna Green became famous for eloping).

    Marriage is a secular institution with optional religious rituals *that aren`t the wedding that creates the marriage*. The wedding is the vows. Nothing else at all.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 6:20 am
    I think everyone should have the right to marry whoever/whatever/howevermany they want. Why does the government have to be involved with anyone`s marriage?

    Because marriage has a legal status and tax implications. As long as those things are true, marriage is definitely a government issue.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 6:26 am
    number 8 is not really applicable, since teachings against homosexuality are brought forward into the new testament.

    No they aren`t.

    They`re brought into selected interpretations of the NT written in a different language, but that`s not the same thing at all.

    god still demands leviticus law from each of us, the sacrifice of christ allows us to escape those harsh laws but it does not excuse us from sin in all forms,

    Cobblers. You won`t, for example, find Christians campaigning to make cheeseburgers, lasagna, etc, etc, illegal for everyone because they`re forbidden by Mosaic law. You can try to cover it up with a facade of an internally consistent argument, but it`s always about a pick `n` mix approach - some laws to be obeyed, others to be ignored and not a shred of an internally consistent way of determining which is which.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 9, 2012 at 6:27 am
    VV Thanks guys! :heart:

    I`m always torn between complaining publicly OR complaining privately, so I usually do both, as I`ve done here.

    I could just "grow a thicker skin" and ignore @jamie76 (again) but I feel strongly that bullies should be pointed out and hopefully shamed into silence.

    Good natured ribbing is fun! Even taunting, disagreeing and arguing are part of IAB. Simply spamming one`s hate on a personal level = no-no. At least in my books.

    Chillin with some coffee now!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 6:38 am
    I`ll throw my ha`porth into the ring (of mixed metaphors :) ).

    There are three different things all labelled "marriage", so it makes sense to give different names to those different things.

    1) Personal - vows of commitment. No legal status. It`s the actual wedding (OE weddian, "to vow"). So call that a wedding. Open to anyone competent to make the vows.

    2) Legal - *all* the legal stuff goes here. Rights, responsibilities, tax reductions, whatever the government decides. Call it a civil partnership, because it`s a legal arrangement along the same lines as a business partnership. Open to anyone competent to sign contracts.

    3) Religious - a ritual. No legal status. Approval of a religious organisation, blessing of the relationship, whatever. Any restrictions can be applied for any reason. It`s religion, so it doesn`t have to be fair or make any sense.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 6:56 am
    Jesus did mention it actually.

    Matthew 19:4-6

    He said in reply, "Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made them male and female" and said, "for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate."
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 6:58 am
    5Cats: Don`t let jamie rile you.

    He`s a weak minded person with a strong mouth, that`s all. He boldly made the assertion that Romney wouldn`t get a single point from the debate. After I challenged him to a bet, he shut up.

    Jamie doesn`t have the courage of his convictions, won`t put his money where his mouth is. Perhaps that`s because he knew he was wrong and was smart enough not to take the bet. But I believe that it`s because he`s a coward in real life.

    Only coward`s attack people like yourself, incessantly, because they are weak minded. They mentally need someone to beat up on to make themselves feel better.

    I doubt him being a `professional`, of any type, as well. Professionals know better than to attack people the way he has done.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 7:05 am
    It`s always hilarious when people argue over the so-called teachings of their various invisible magical sky-men.

    Religious people are stupid. Stupid people are funny. So thanks for the chuckles!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 7:10 am
    @Trutenrman: Sounds to me like in that quote he outlawed divorce, but christians don`t seem to have a problem with that.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 9, 2012 at 8:26 am

    "If Jesus didn`t mention a subject..."

    "Jesus did mention it actually."
    Jesus was responding to a question about divorce, not homosexuality.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:10 am
    BoredFrank - I`m a confirmed atheist myself but I think your comment, as a public statement, was unnecessarily demeaning. Think it, don`t put it out there, though, because it hurts good people. If you`re under attack from a theist, of course, toss all that out the window and fire away!

    5Cats - What CrakrJak said! Don`t let the turkeys get you down.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:12 am
    I disagree with most of this, especially, 4, 5, and 6. About 4: You ARE asking for a special right. Unless they changed folks clearly men and women have different plumbing. They are SOOO not the same and therefore M-F is clearly different from M-M and F-F. Yes, in my book it is as simple as that. About 5: It IS my personal religious view; why is it not a view if it bothers someone? That`s just foolish. About 6: Marriage IS both a religious and civil ceremony.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:27 am
    @Gerry and @Patchgrabber:

    True, he was responding to a question about divorce, but if he were okay with male/male or female/female marriages, why would he have singled out man and woman?

    Also, patch, the Catholic faith (of which I am a member) DOES disagree with divorce.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 9:39 am
    @papajon0s1

    "Yes, in my book it is as simple as that."

    Your book must be very simple. With a maximum of five words per page, and lots of colourful pictures.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:03 am
    "About 4: You ARE asking for a special right. "

    Is it a "special right" for people of different races to get married too? That used to be illegal afterwall. They are different, their skin color and other features are different. Would you argue that this right shouldn`t have been allowed because it`s a "special right" and people were silly for trying to get the "special right"?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2012 at 10:54 am
    Also, patch, the Catholic faith (of which I am a member) DOES disagree with divorce.
    Then why don`t people who have gotten divorces get the same treatment as homosexuals? Why aren`t there tons of pissed off catholics picketing city hall or wherever people go to get divorces?
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    Viewtifreak Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 11:16 am
    `To take the bible literally is to miss the point of the bible`
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    October 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    "`To take the bible literally is to miss the point of the bible`"
    Are you serious? You DO know, it was intended to be taken literally, right?
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    Modwain Male 40-49
    336 posts
    October 9, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    And then there is this

    But yeah, lets keep arguing that people who love eachother should not be married, because offcourse our opinion should influence people we have never met and most likely never will.

    I dunno why this is still an argument cauwing subject.

    they wanna get married? sure, go ahead then. Do not marry in church cause that goes against the church. but fair enough, for as far as the state is concerned, you can count as being married.

    Cause, state and church are separated, right? religion isnt the thread that the state needs to follow, right?

    And even if religion is the thread that state needs to follow. Smoking, Alcohol, Obesitas, Eating shellfish, getting operated on, breaking laws made by rulers of the land, Judging anyone less fortunate then you, Not assisting those less fortunate then you, Doing Anything At
  53. Profile photo of mikelae18
    mikelae18 Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    11. Marriage has existed long before the Old Testament. Just because your book mentions it doesn`t mean you own it.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 9, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    Thanks @CrakrJak and @broizfan! (and anyone else I missed mentioning) Your kind words are appreciated!
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    October 10, 2012 at 8:31 am
    Why don`t we also allow pedophilia then?
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    darknetix Male 18-29
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    October 10, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    Go kill yourself fags! Nobody loves you and they never will.
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    darknetix Male 18-29
    15 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    If you are truly born gay, then we need to find a way to isolate the defect and abort them pre-term.
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    mikelae18 Male 18-29
    79 posts
    October 10, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    "Why don`t we also allow pedophilia then?"

    Mary was 13 when she had Jesus. The Bible has no problem with pedophilia.

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