Video Spurs Voter Registration Flap

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 4 years ago in

Some people are demanding an investigation of County Clerk, W. Williams, a Republican because of this. Story in credits
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Male 2,357
@mark: Actually, there`s still even more that I can attack here (you gave me a lot of material to work with).

[quote]When I proved your defendants were not voters[/quote]
You did not prove this. You showed that they were not voting, but you did not prove that they were not voters. They are voters, and your statement here is incorrect because of that fact.

Furthermore, using your own logic, you are both "changing your stance" and "shape shifting".

[quote]The New Black Panthers stated before the election that they would deploy 300 poll watchers across the United States.[/quote]
[quote]A black man standing in front of a poling place beating a night stick against his hands hits me as voter intimidation.[/quote]
Well which is it? You first try to imply that they were merely security, then you say you think it hints at voter intimidation. Quit changing your stance.
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Male 2,357
@mark: [quote]I have had one main unchanged stance that it was thrown out because no voters came forward to say they were intimidated. You said that I was incorrect.[/quote]
Here is yet another example of you saying something that is INCORRECT. You meant to say something else, but the words you wrote down are wrong.

To prove that statement incorrect, I need to show that someone came forward who was both a voter and claimed he/she was intimidated.

First part, let`s prove that the man who came forward was a voter. He is a citizen over 18 with no felony record. Therefore, he is a voter. Perhaps he was not voting, but he is a voter.

Next part, he directly claims to have been intimidated. Done.

See? Again, you meant to say more, but you didn`t. The literal statement you`ve provided is logically incorrect.
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Male 2,357
@mark: OK; here is what is wrong with your comments and here is why I am correct:

"At no point IN THAT POST did I say that YOU were wrong"

See now? I highlighted it for you. The example you provide is from a much earlier post, not the post being referenced here.

Next, here is your statement:

[quote]Funny how not one single voter came forward to say they had actually been intimidated[/quote]
So your logical argument is composed of two pieces: not a single voter came forward; and no person came forward claiming they had been intimidated.

I presented a person who IS A VOTER (how can you claim he is not a voter??) AND claimed that he was intimidated. You need to rephrase your statement because, what you said is INCORRECT.

You meant that "no person came forward and claimed that they directly suffered from voter intimidation." You did not say this.

You`re wrong and that`s why.
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Male 4,395
"Next, you stated that not a single voter came forward and I disagreed. I gave evidence that a US citizen (therefore a voter) came forward and stated that he was intimidated. I DID NOT claim that he was voting at that time, nor that he was intimidated away from voting. I stated that, a) he is a voter (this is true), and that b) he was intimidated (sworn testimony). "

Jesus Christ shape shifter. I`m out of here.
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Male 4,395
"How did you arrive at the conclusion that I`ve changed my stance? If by "change in stance" you mean present a clear and definite logical path, then I`ll submit as guilty right now."

I have had one main unchanged stance that it was thrown out because no voters came forward to say they were intimidated. You said that I was incorrect. When I proved your defendants were not voters you changed this to you feel the evidence is voter intimidation. You do this all the time. Not as bad as CrakrJak.

"At no point in that post did I say that YOU were wrong"

Really? "I`m sure you know that I will admit when I`m wrong, but I am not in this matter; you are incorrect." This is the problem with being shifty is you can`t keep track of the spin.

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Male 14,332
@markust123

Oh ya and in the video I linked that`s his walking stick right?? ROFL!!
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Male 2,357
@mark: Again, I have not yet changed my stance.

First, I at no point stated that there was a LEGAL case. I stated that I believe I crime was committed. I have stated nothing that contradicts this point of view.

Next, you stated that not a single voter came forward and I disagreed. I gave evidence that a US citizen (therefore a voter) came forward and stated that he was intimidated. I DID NOT claim that he was voting at that time, nor that he was intimidated away from voting. I stated that, a) he is a voter (this is true), and that b) he was intimidated (sworn testimony).

Once again, you are extrapolating more from my words than was written. If you read through my posts again, you will see that I am consistent and accurate.
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Male 4,395
"Obviously the poster is photoshopped it`s call humor"

Its not humor if you have to explain that it was meant to be funny.
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Male 2,357
@mark: [quote]This is why I don`t like talking with people like you. Every rebuttal is a change in stance.[/quote]
How did you arrive at the conclusion that I`ve changed my stance? If by "change in stance" you mean present a clear and definite logical path, then I`ll submit as guilty right now.

I understand that YOU stated that the poster was invalid; that`s cool man. I stated that the video has been received as legitimate; that`s pretty cool too. At no point in that post did I say that YOU were wrong, merely that there is evidence that supports the opposite of your implications.

This is how a debate works. One side provides evidence to support their claim(s). The other side then has the option to provide their own evidence, or attempt to disprove/discredit the other sides evidence...
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Male 14,332
@markust123

Obviously the poster is photoshopped it`s call humor this on the other hand is real.
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Male 4,395
How come one man out of 300 people the NBP sent to the polls is turned into a year long story on Fox? This was clearly a case of one bad apple. Why does Fox have to lie and say it represents the whole group? And I am not sticking up for the NBP. I think they are a hate group.
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Male 4,395
"I`m arguing that the evidence, in my opinion, strongly suggests that this was voter intimidation. I mean honestly, it`s the first time there is a black man on the ballot and a member of the NBPP shows up at the polling center with a billy-club. Two plus two equals four even if it isn`t written down."

Again you are changing your stance. But I agree. A black man standing in front of a poling place beating a night stick against his hands hits me as voter intimidation. Even if it was a mostly all black polling place. He was removed and no voters came forward to say they were intimidated so there was no case.
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Male 4,395
"There`s a video out that was submitted as evidence that clearly shows ONE member with a billy club."

This is why I don`t like talking with people like you. Every rebuttal is a change in stance. It`s like trying to argue with water. No one is saying the guy didn`t have a night stick. I was saying the poster is a clear fabrication. The same as the lie that this was case was decided to be thrown out under Obama.
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Male 2,357
@mark: [quote]Also the nightsticks photoshopped into that poster were really done poorly. Not even the poster is the truth. Kind of wraps up this whole argument.[/quote]
There`s a video out that was submitted as evidence that clearly shows ONE member with a billy club.
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Male 2,357
@mark: I think we are debating on two different principles... From what I gather, you are arguing that there was no LEGAL case to be made; I agree (if a rape victim does not come forward, then there is no legal case to be had). Without someone directly accusing the aggressor every other piece of evidence is either heresay or speculation; the case was wisely dismissed.

I`m arguing that the evidence, in my opinion, strongly suggests that this was voter intimidation. I mean honestly, it`s the first time there is a black man on the ballot and a member of the NBPP shows up at the polling center with a billy-club. Two plus two equals four even if it isn`t written down.

Consider a different crime; just because a rape victim does not accuse her attacker does not mean that rape did not occur.
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Male 4,395
Also the nightsticks photoshopped into that poster were really done poorly. Not even the poster is the truth. Kind of wraps up this whole argument.
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Male 4,395
"Hmmm wonder why the charges were dropped??? Watch for more of the same this November."

Uh, because no voters came forward to say they were intimidated. Also it was decided to drop this under the Bush administration. Not sure how many times it takes to say a truth before it gets through a lie.
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Male 4,395
"... and the Seahawks touchdown was BS."

I absolutely 100% agree. I was there. It happened on the other side of he field. We were going nuts. When I got home though I watched the replay and there was no doubt Jennings had full control of the ball. Someone is getting fired today,
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Male 4,395
Sorry HumanAction but that person was not a voter. It can not be voter intimidation if you are not a voter. There had to be voters come forward not poll watchers. And zero voter came forward to say they were intimidated. The poll watchers can be a bunch of partisan wackos. The New Black Panthers prove that. Why do you trust yours more? That is the question.
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Male 10,855
[quote]pissing match over who`s supporters are bigger idiots.[/quote]

Wow, not enough facepalm to go around for the idiots in that video. That`s a LOT worse than Leno`s Jaywalking segments.
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Male 14,332


Hmmm wonder why the charges were dropped??? Watch for more of the same this November.
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Male 14,332
Does anyone see the irony in MacGuffins babble considering the UK still supports royalty and gives them top military rank for a position not elected by the peopl but by god? As for invasion of privacy the UK leads the world in mass surveillance next time your there count how many cameras you see on the streets.
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Male 2,357
@mark: Sworn statement by Christopher Hill...

"... but it was without question that they sought to intimidate me from entering the polling place ..."

Are poll watchers not valid as voters for some fantastic reason? They are still citizens and are allowed to vote. I`m not sure how these two concepts are failing to meet your standard.

... and the Seahawks touchdown was BS.
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Male 4,395
I have to take back the last line of my comment. I just watched the instant replay. There is no doubt in my mind that Green Bay intercepted. How did that get called for the Seahawks? I would be so pissed if I was a Packers fan.
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Male 15,832
Yeah, she`s an idiot, but trust me, you libs DON`T want to get into a pissing match over who`s supporters are bigger idiots.
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Male 4,395
(Continued) 00 seconds left. What a game to be at.
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Male 4,395
"Look into the official US record and you will find at least 4 individuals who provided sworn testimony that they were either personally intimidated or saw another person being intimidated (refer to the Declarations in the Documents section)."

They were not voters. There was not one voter that came forward that said they were intimidated. That is why the case was dropped. Who knows why people left. The witnesses (Republican poll workers) were just guessing on other peoples intentions. Not admissible. You are wrong. And Fox News is pathetic for creating a story out of nothing and running it for almost a full year. A news organization is not supposed to create the news.

"Strange that the Obama Administration decided to drop it."

Ah yes, the double down lie. Two for the price of one. Se above and this one. It was during Bush`s term that it was decided to drop the case. Do you ever check your facts?

Oh and go Seahawks. Touchdown with
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Female 2,549
The girl is just working for wage, looks clueless but innocent, that county clerk has some splainin to do :-)
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Male 546
fired up Dem.... she should have just punched the girl!
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Male 10,855
[quote]Girl seems dumb enough to be republican.[/quote]

This coming from a hard-left Democrat clown.
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Male 2,357
@mark: [quote">Funny how not one single voter came forward to say they had actually been intimidated [..."> Just saying you are stating something that just isn`t factual. Look it up. You will find I am correct.[/quote">

Look into the official US record and you will find at least 4 individuals who provided sworn testimony that they were either personally intimidated or saw another person being intimidated (refer to the Declarations in the Documents section).

Source

I`m sure you know that I will admit when I`m wrong, but I am not in this matter; you are incorrect.
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Male 2,357
@mark: It`s simply common sense. Let`s look at it this way:

1. It was the first time an African-American was on the ballot.
2. It was the first time the NBP party decided they needed to provide "security."
3. Many people actually came forward and swore than they (NBP) members were carrying night-sticks.

This is really a case of simple reasoning - wouldn`t you agree?

[quote]Yet you only heard about one persons bad behavior.[/quote]
I agree, and this is exactly the type of logic that I was showing to be fallacious in my first post. I think you will see that I was cynically mocking @BoredFrank for his attempt to generalize Republicans based on this girls (in the video) actions.

Obviously you wouldn`t make such a ridiculous claim as @BoredFrank did, so I would not respond to you in the same manner. I`ve held many times before that I argue at my opponents level.
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Male 7,740
markust123-"Funny how not one single voter came forward to say they had actually been intimidated."

Incorrect: Poll Watcher Bartie Bull gave a affidavit stating that it was the most severe instance ot voter intimidation he had ever encountered, and testified that he witnessed some voters approach the polls and then turn away, apparently in response to the New Black Panther Party members.

Strange that the Obama Administration decided to drop it.
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Male 4,395
The New Black Panthers stated before the election that they would deploy 300 poll watchers across the United States. Yet you only heard about one persons bad behavior. That is a problem with an individual not a group. This was a prime example of the media machine blowing something up that wasn`t.
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Male 4,395
"Don`t be a hypocrite; if we`re considering her actions ro be representative of all Republicans, then I am comfortable suggesting that the Dem`s gave us Voter Intimidation in 2008. I think we can all agree that voter intimidation is much worse."

Funny how not one single voter came forward to say they had actually been intimidated. Not taking sides with the NBP. They are a hate group. Just saying you are stating something that just isn`t factual. Look it up. You will find I am correct.
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Female 2,602

In the age of Facebook, x-ray strip searches just to get on a plane and gross invasions of privacy by all sorts of so-called "democratic" governments, do you really think they couldn`t come up with a fairer system that asked your opinion on important topics more often (and took notice of what you said), if they actually wanted to? The government can process yearly tax returns from you, but somehow that same government can only ask who you want to represent you once every *four years*? (and even then you only get a choice between corrupt rich guy in red or equally-corrupt rich guy in blue?)

This corrupt system has kept going for generations before you, and will continue as long as you keep participating in it.
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Female 2,602
Seems legit. Keep lending undue legitimacy to this completely corrupt system by your willing participation in the fraud, Americans. Remember: when you go along to that voting booth come November, *this* is the system you`re propping up. Then keep your eyes and ears closed for the next fours years at the result of what you`ve done.

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Male 4,395
My two cents. This was just a cute girl who took things further than she was asked to do. She was probably spacing out when they were explaining the rules. Still needs investigating.
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Male 4,395
I was into opinion media back when the conservatives were attacking ACORN. They would have had an absolute sh*t fit if anyone in ACORN was specifically asking if you vote Obama or McCain. It is funny to see the cons backtracking so fast. You can go after a specific group to get them to register (the poor, the rich). But you can`t ask who they are voting for. That is a big no no. I`m just going to sit back and watch the circus here.
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Male 7,740
jamie76-"waiting..."

Your wait is over.

Voter Participation Center (run by democrats) has been sending out registration forms, some of which have been addressed to the dead, children, even pets and felons ineligible to vote in Virgina, state that recipients are eligible to vote. The Address on these forms appear to be for the State Board of Elections, but in reality goes to a PO Box rented by the Voter Participation Center

forging of Democratic presidential primary petitions in the 2008 election

Male 2,345
republicans claiming dems do this all the time...yet as usually, NO proof is supplied with their comments.

show me ONE incident of a democrat county clerk or otherwise doing this.

waiting...
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Male 7,378
Girl seems dumb enough to be republican.
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Male 300
This sort of video is pretty easy to do. You could make the claim you were from the same office but only trying to register Obama voters or what ever other candidate you want. Hopefully there is a follow up on this because this can be a b.s. propaganda vid.

BTW OBamromnaloni is a terrible choice, or is that Romnaboamaloni? Two party system and voting for a lesser evil still elects evil.
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Male 17,512
Democrats do this all the time, but one naive Republican girl does it and investigations must be launched.
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Male 2,711
"not her fault" wait, what?
Last I checked ignorance of the law is no defense. In most states, you must be trained and certified to register voters. She knows exactly what she`s doing, she just wasn`t instructed to hide it.
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Male 16
Oh great, now the poor young kid is going to think all dems are mean persony bitches.
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Male 2,513
Poor girl, I remember my first job

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Male 3,909
@corywebb - The analogy doesn`t suck, your goggles suck. She`s being a b*tch to her for something that`s not her fault.
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Male 300
@peakingo

She says "honey bunch" not "honey b*tch"
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Male 1,511
She`s just trying to support Romney by making sure Romney voters are registered. I doubt she`s "working" for the county. Even if she was just seeking republican voters, I don`t have a problem with that. Same as if it were just democrats.
Gary Johnson 2012!
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Male 106
whodat your analogy sucks. It`s more like yelling at your waitress because the chef told her he wasn`t going to cook it the way you ordered and she said "Sounds good, I want in." She knew exactly what she was doing, she just didn`t think it was wrong.
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Female 267
She knew exactly what she was doing. I have never had someone registering me to vote ask who I`m voting for - before or after I registered. They just ask if you`re voting and if you`re registered.

Girl - Excuse me, but are you voting for Romney or Obama?
Woman: Well wait, I thought you were registering voters a minute ago.
Girl - Iam, I am. But...
Woman - And who are you registering? All voters?
Girl - Well I`m actually trying to register people for a particular party. Because we`re out here in support of Romney, actually.

I`m sure she registers the Obama voters too, but those registrations probably get coffee spilled on them or something rendering them unreadable. Oopsie.
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Male 5,816
Of course, if she`s a volunteer then she`s just a naive young lady.
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Male 2,357
@BoredFrank: [quote">More Republican-style `family values!`[/quote">
Don`t be a hypocrite; if we`re considering her actions ro be representative of all Republicans, then I am comfortable suggesting that the Dem`s gave us Voter Intimidation in 2008. I think we can all agree that voter intimidation is much worse.
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Male 5,816
Seems like she`s a naive young lady who accidently told the truth.
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Male 2,670
More Republican-style `family values!` Use public money to benefit the ultra-wealthy.

Corporations are people, my friend!
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Male 3,909
Yeah, I think she really didn`t know what she was doing and it`s probably a misunderstanding. I also think that the lady was wrong in being a b*tch to her. That`s like yelling at your waitress because the chef didn`t cook your steak the way you wanted.
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Male 5,617
I wonder if one has to be a registered voter to register voters...
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Male 761
Did she close the video with "Honey Bi/tch?" Ha I`m changing my cats name from Titty the Kitty to Honey Bi/tch.
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Male 3,445
If it`s true, then that`s terrible. But I sort of got the feeling the girl just didn`t really know what the deal was. And the lady didn`t have to be a bitch to her. File a complaint, but don`t take it out on the girl.
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Male 59
no big surprise....dirty politics are making a big comeback...
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Male 5,811
Sounds like just a volunteer who doesn`t exactly understand who is in charge of what. I doubt there`s anything here, but it may still warrant checking just to be sure everything`s on the up-and-up.
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Male 15,510
Bitter lady is bitter
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Female 8,044
Link: Video Spurs Voter Registration Flap [Rate Link] - Some people are demanding an investigation of County Clerk, W. Williams, a Republican because of this. Story in credits
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