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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    Link: Senator Tony Avello Walks Off The Stage - Avello (D-New York) does the right thing in the face of Muslim hate speech. Good job!
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    schecter5 Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    I actually agree with the senator. Kinda sets a model for what the "jihadists" should do. Let others continue in their ways as long as its not hurting anyone, even if it offends you.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    Where`s the outrage when their own book states the beloved prophet married a 7 year old and consummated with her at 9? Makes the video they`re so up in arms about seem tame to me.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    He did the right thing. It would have been even better for him to speak against it when his turn came.
    I don`t blame him though, they probably would have killed and sodomized him.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    I`m torn between him doing the right thing by walking away and how it may have been better for him to stand his ground and stand up in the face of radicals. Both send a good message, so either is good I think.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    And right now there`s a 2.5 rating? Why, are people siding with Jihadists?
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    The senators response was right on! Let the ignorant people have their day.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:01 pm
    That woman`s "Hip-Hop Jihad" was torture!

    It`s not at all unusual for a politician to be invited to these sorts of cultural rallies: it happens ALL the time!
    What is unusual is for people to get up and spew hatered and call for the deaths of those who disagree with them!

    So good job by Senator Avello, disregardless of his political stripes! He was extra-classy by not making a big fuss over it, or spouting a rant of his own. Lots of "normal" people were there who wanted nothing to do with Jihad, I`m sure!
    It`s too bad the organizers of the rally chose Jihadists to speak while nice folks had to listen.
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    Qystein Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    I demand you pay respect to my beliefs of my heritage that comes from Heimdal, and that I will stand with the other chosen few with Balder after Ragnarok!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    A terribly made video lets get up in arms and kill people!! Bacha bereesh oh that`s fine just keep that going....
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    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    Sure a blasphemy law. We can start it off in Israel with Jews and Muslims. See how well that goes.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    A 5Cats submission that will exceed 1.5 stars??? Time will tell. (For the record I gave it a 3)
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    that1joshguy Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    he showed class I think :D
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    hauswyfe Female 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    What these creeps fail to see is that the freedom and rights they are spewing hate for, are what allow them to stand up and speak like this without being arrested for sedition. If a Christian "Zionist" stood up in Iran and made a speech like this he`d be arrested, tortured and executed. In this country, they are free to say whatever crazy poo they want. Inciting hatred is protected by the First Amendment, unfortunately...
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    bentley22 Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    what`s right is right
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:42 pm
    I smell a banhammer coming aburrido2...wait for it...wait for it....
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    CynicalGamer Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    He had me up to "god bless you." If you are going to bitch about someone else`s religious beliefs don`t tack yours on the end.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    @CynicalGamer

    Think you missed alot there......
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:07 pm
    I can`t figure out why moderate muslims tolerate jihadists in their parades and speeches.

    Christians wouldn`t tolerate the WBC or KKK in a parade of theirs.

    A parade is supposed to be a happy thing, a celebration, not a soap box for hate and warmongering.

    I commend Avello for leaving the stage, but his staff should`ve researched these speakers ahead of time and not put him in that compromising position in the first place.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    CynicalGamer:
    He had me up to "god bless you." If you are going to bitch about someone else`s religious beliefs don`t tack yours on the end.
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    +1
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    CrakrJak:
    I can`t figure out why moderate muslims tolerate jihadists in their parades and speeches.

    Christians wouldn`t tolerate the WBC or KKK in a parade of theirs.
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    Crap...I hate when this happens, but I have to agree with CrakrJak.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    He had me up to "god bless you." If you are going to bitch about someone else`s religious beliefs don`t tack yours on the end.
    I don`t think you fully understood what was happening and why the Senator was upset. He was not upset at these people for being Muslim (afterall, he was a major part of the parade...). Instead, he was upset at these people for exploiting the situation to attack long-standing American ideals. These people were LITERALLY suggesting that the right to free speech be removed in their case.
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    Badenov Male 70 & Over
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    One things for sure, The United Nations needs to pass a law banning Jihadist Rap immediately. That was like an IED to the ears. Talk about torture.
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    rickwhite Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    The United Nations should also make a law against driving slow in fast lanes, talking on cell phones in movie theatres, and masturbation... punishable by tickling until you urinate yourself.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:34 pm
    a law against opinionated blasphemy. What will they think of next?
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    I commend the Senator for not speaking to this anti-muslim propaganda film maker. The senator specifically said, "I do want to ruin this event". Which illustrates that above all else this was overall a respectable parade minus ONE, out of line slam poet and her misguided belief system. The other was just expressing his opinion. Albeit a wrong opinion never the less.

    This is no different than Nazi`s marches or Michigan Militia organizations speaking of over throwing the government or a protestor walking around with an assault rifle, or fundamentalist blowing up abortion clinics, or OWS protesters instigating a fight with the police.

    It`s ignorant to blame everyone for a few.

    This propagandist is doing just that. And I quote, "... the horror of this presentation and the horror of this muslim day parade... god bless."
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    `I can`t figure out why moderate muslims tolerate jihadists in their parades and speeches.`

    They don`t always. Example
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    Rizzo71 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    Muhammad has a small dick and Allah has not even one. drat Religion!
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    triki-trakes Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    So hypocritical, don`t offend the prophet (while they plot to kill innocent people).

    This shows you the kind of talks that go on in those muslim centers (and i know everybody is going to say that is not the case) but here is proof.
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    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    I could care less what the religious want to believe in...however, you can`t silence people just because you don`t like what they are saying.

    Notice: In the video, no one stopped them from speaking their minds on whatever issues they felt they needed to...however, that does not mean that we have to participate or even listen.

    The senator exercised his rights in the face of a speech that he did not agree with...I applaud him for doing it in a civilized and controlled manner that was appropriate to his station and citizenship.
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    teelelen Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    This video seems biased; the organization who posted this video is against the spread of Islam in North America...
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:56 pm
    "I can`t figure out why moderate muslims tolerate jihadists in their parades and speeches. Christians wouldn`t tolerate the WBC or KKK in a parade of theirs."

    What? There is always at least one Christian extremist at any gathering, parade or what have you, with a huge sign with hate filled sayings. I`ve never heard any real Christians denounce that. If Christians will allow such obvious judgement and bigotry at an ordinary event I don`t see why they wouldn`t let them march in a Christian parade. My response to these Christian extremists with their signs is to laugh at the situation - I will not feed their anger with anger.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    The State Senator walked off the stage because of the woman who was promoting terrorism. It had nothing to do with the first guy who wanted an international law to make blasphemy illegal. That is a huge stretch by the video producer and the MOD who used the screen cap that says "That would criminalize blasphemy".
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    @Canusuck:
    A 5Cats submission that will exceed 1.5 stars??? Time will tell. (For the record I gave it a 3)
    3? 3! What`s wrong with it? Other than the ear-torture of the "mindfield"...
    I have plenty of well-liked posts! Just not many political ones are well liked.
    I smell a banhammer coming aburrido2...wait for it...wait for it....
    Oooo! What did he do? Or was it just a spam-bot?

    @CynicalGamer: So he had you until the very end? Not too bad I`d say!
    But... you don`t tolerate his freedom to express his religion? (I`m hoping that`s NOT the case eh?)

    The United Nations needs to pass a law banning Jihadist Rap immediately
    @Badenov: I agree! That`s not free speech: that`s oral assault!

    @FoolsPrussia: I think he refers to parades in Western nations, eh?

    @peakingo: The guy called for international laws against offending Islam too, eh? You support this?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    Yeah, give me a break. We could thread together hate speak videos at any Republican townhall meeting. Probably any Democratic one, too. People routinely call Obama all manner of things that are none too polite, for example. Rarely, if ever, does anyone say a word about it. Selective editing and inclusion is evil. Hate speak is evil. However, it`s all allowed, and should be, under our laws.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    "I can`t figure out why moderate muslims tolerate jihadists in their parades and speeches. Christians wouldn`t tolerate the WBC or KKK in a parade of theirs."

    I`m going to take back what I said. My comparison was about the first speaker not the second. I agree that a decent Christians organization would not let a Christian extremist that was as batsh*t crazy as that woman walk in their parade.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:19 pm
    why are you trying to troll me 5cats? I said and I quote, "The other was just expressing his opinion. Albeit a wrong opinion never the less."

    Now seriously tell me how you could misconstrue that statement as one of support?

    You really need to stop commenting on my comments.

    You just look foolish.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    What? There is always at least one Christian extremist at any gathering, parade or what have you,
    @markust: Were they just there on their own? OR Did the organizers invite them, have them mount the stage and spew hatred without attempting to stop them (once the hate started flying)?
    Those are completely DIFFERENT situations.

    It had nothing to do with the first guy who wanted an international law to make blasphemy illegal.
    Um, illegal to blaspheme = criminalize blasphemy, eh?
    They`re identical, yet you seem to consider them opposites? Or at least completely unassociated? Um, NO! It`s spot-on accurate.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    I kind of agree with you Markust123. Though there is strong opposition to muslim extremist from muslims, there is still some level of forgiveness.

    I guess it needs to be viewed in context.

    I recall never understand how my fellow Louisianians could elect a former head of the KKK to a state representative position.

    I guess like that, regardless of how many oppose it, if the right ones give support then they can gain power.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:26 pm
    Hate speak is evil. However, it`s all allowed, and should be, under our laws.
    @SmagBoy: NO ONE is saying anything opposing that! What I AM saying is that the Senator did the right thing! He simply refused to be associated with hate speak and left the stage.
    NO ONE has disagreed with that.

    @markust: Okie-dokie then! I`m glad we could reach a compromise :-) My arguemnet below is cross-posted, so you can ignore it since it no longer seems to apply.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:27 pm
    "They`re identical, yet you seem to consider them opposites? Or at least completely unassociated?"

    I must not have written that comment very well. I was saying the Senator walked off the stage because of the crazy terrorist woman. And that it was a stretch for the producer to suggest that it was because of both speakers. I wasn`t questioning the first guys statement.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    "I recall never understand how my fellow Louisianians could elect a former head of the KKK to a state representative position."

    I think it is tribe mentality. It is hard for people to go against the group even if a person is bad. Every once in a while though you will see people break free and a whole group of Preachers or Imans will denounce something. I would not be surprised if that happens to this woman`s speech. For the first guy not so much. He`s just an innocent nut with wishful thinking and zero comprehension of the constitution.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    The Imam is an idiot for wanting blasphemy laws. Regarding the woman, it`s very hard to tell what she`s actually referring to because the uploader has removed the context. Note that she says, "all we blow up is minds in minefields" which sounds vaguely like she`s not endorsing violence but instead promoting an intellectual response.

    The problem here is that the uploader can`t really be trusted. Case in point, this video in which he tries to make it appear that the crowd is doing a Nazi salute: Link
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    And calling Israelis "zionist Nazis" may be a bit over the top, but the uploader hasn`t really provided evidence that she`s inciting violence. Palestinians do have to deal with some terrible poo.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:44 pm
    Oh boy all one needs to do is click the link FoolsPrussia posted and read the comments. WOW!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:52 pm
    What bothers me is when a video like this is used as a tool to promote blind hatred against all Muslims. Hatred only fuels more hatred back.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    I would also like to point out that blasphemy laws do exist in this country. Case in point, Oklahoma, where a State lawmaker wants to repeal it because he`s afraid that it would make it difficult for Christians to criticize Islam. Here`s a link for those who are interested: Here
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    Found some UN-edited tape!
    HERE it is!
    It`s long, 18 minutes.
    The first speaker has a mixed message, as far as I can tell. No biggie.
    The second speaker is the Imam in this clip. Ooo! He gets hot and bothered right off the bat! He goes on for about 6 minutes.
    Kashmire (?) (the lady) comes on at the 9:00 mark...
    OoooO! The clip gives no indication of just how BATpoo INSANE this woman is! She slips anti-American and anti-semitism into her verse (it`s a poem apparently) sooo easily...
    Avello sits through a full 7 minutes of it.
    I think the phrase that ticked him off was refering to "men having to be snipers to protect their babies"? It was right after she said America bombs babies in thier cribs...

    So for those who care: I hope this helps put things in perspective!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    To be sure, 5Cats, I wasn`t disagreeing with you. It`s just that, I think videos like this one just breed hate. I don`t want to give an e-stage to extremists of *any* group. I feel like it`s damaging to discourse. It makes me really angry when I hear some of the things said at town hall meetings. I kind of feel like, had I not hear them, I`d be a little less angry. It makes me angry to hear idiot Democrats, too. Like I say, I`d prefer to keep all propaganda washed from general view. At the same time, and I know that you weren`t contradicting this idea, I`m just stating my opinion so that I`m clear, I support their right to say what they say (these people, radicals from both parties, etc.). I don`t like it, but I support it. We can`t kill all of the mean people. Can we? ;-)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    Oh boy all one needs to do is click the link FoolsPrussia posted and read the comments. WOW!
    @peakingo: Please tell me you`re joking? You`re impressed by the link from @FoolsPrussia? The one that`s the same as my ORIGIONAL POSTING?
    ZOMG!

    @FoolsPrussia: That law is from 1910 DUDE! And it`s a State law! These folks are calling for Federal Laws. The two are oil & water.

    ""What we see now is a law that may have been well-intentioned when it was passed, having unintentional consequences where it could be used to persecute Christians or any religious group that wants to speak out against another," Grau said."
    Um, NOT what @FoolsPrussia said!!! Spin @FP spin! lolz!

    Anyhow, watch the video I linked, it`s un-edited.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:16 pm
    @SmagBoy: I honestly don`t see how pointing out the hatered and Jihadist mentality of a group qualifieds as "hate" in itself!
    I agree the shorter clip doesn`t show the whole picture, BUT everything it says is true: these folks were selected to speak and they are pretty dratting radical!
    They couldn`t find speakers who were normal folks?
    Even the first guy is a little "Odd" but I`ll give him the benifit of the doubt. 2nd guy kinda radical, not too bad.
    3rd speaker? NUT-JOB!

    THAT is why I`m glad he didn`t make a big fuss over it. Doing so would give the radicals more attention than they deserve. His message was clear, and no one can criticize him (I hope!) for his action.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:17 pm
    Thanks for the link to the unedited video. I can`t believe we fell for a deceptively edited sensational video again. When are we going to learn? I`m embarrassed that I called this woman hateful and a terrorist. I apologize to her and to her family.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    I`m not impressed and am fully aware that it`s the same video. What YOU DON`T GET is that I made a statement of the youtube comments from his direct youtube link. That`s it.


    5cats, No one isn`t disputing the wrong that was captured in the video. Some of us rather not join in any from of hatred or bashing that this video is promoting. That`s it, you can link a longer video, but the message was received from both the speakers the "filmer". And both are wrong.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:23 pm
    "Even the first guy is a little "Odd" but I`ll give him the benifit of the doubt. 2nd guy kinda radical, not too bad.
    3rd speaker? NUT-JOB!"

    When was the last time you went to a rally? I`ve been to a few gay rallies and some of the speakers really get fired up. Doesn`t mean they are full of hate or are nut jobs - they are just pissed.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    "I made a statement of the youtube comments from his direct youtube link."

    I got what you were saying and was floored by the horrible Muslim bashing that is going on in that comment thread. It turned my stomach.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    Yeah, at this point 5cats is just reaching for whatever she thinks will make her and this post seem less ridiculous.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    She`s a man man.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:45 pm
    Oh that`s rich:

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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:50 pm
    I seriously thought with a name like that and all those girl cat pictures that it was a she. My bad 5cats. lol


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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:52 pm
    Why was here a Marshall in the first place? and why is he worried about ruining the event?

    Profs.... for walking, but wimpy on the setup and follow through.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:54 pm
    @peakingo: I was wondering why you refered to @FP`s link to the same posting as mine... still wondering actually...

    @peakingo & @markust too: So people who comment on YouTube videos influence how you view the world? Nice! The actual message in the video =/= the idiots who spam YouTube for either side, ok?

    Unless you think MY post should be removed because YouTube comments are hateful? Hummmm?
    (see that`s "irony" because that`s what the 2nd and 3rd speaker want, just fyi)

    No one HERE called her "a terrorist" BUT her comments undoubtedly SUPPORT Jihad and terrorism. They`re clearly anti-American and anti-semimetic, we can agree on that, eh?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    Some of us rather not join in any from of hatred or bashing that this video is promoting.
    Um, what? Who here is promoting "hate"?
    Where in the video is "hate" promoted? Except by the speakers.

    The Senator did a NON-VIOLENT form of protest and I salute him for THAT. He didn`t want to detract from the legitimate people having a good time and I salute him for that too!

    If I were a girl and liked cat girls that much, I`d be a lesbian! lolz! No worries!
    Just remember: If someone is on the internet? Chances are very good he`s a teenage boy or a dirty old man... who lives with cats...

    @outWest: Politicians get asked to do this sort of thing all the time! It gets them votes (they hope!) and doesn`t cost anything.
    If he`d have causes a fuss, it would have been bad. IMHO of course.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    My bad, I posted the wrong link re. the "Nazi salute". Here`s the one I was referring to, in which the uploader tries to make it look like they`re doing a Nazi salute: Link
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:06 pm
    Thanks for the link to the unedited video.
    You`re welcome! I was really curious too. As you might expect.

    I can`t believe we fell for a deceptively edited sensational video again.
    I don`t think it was "deceptively edited" at all! That lady ranted and raved for 8 minutes! She snuck some really hate-filled lines in there, smooth as silk so you wouldn`t notice!

    SHE isn`t a terrorist (as I said already) BUT she clearly supports Jihad, terrorism and hate.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:06 pm
    `That law is from 1910 DUDE! And it`s a State law! These folks are calling for Federal Laws. The two are oil & water.`

    The point I`m making is that there are also Christians who loudly want to silence "blasphemy" against Christianity. In both instances, they are radicals.
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:07 pm
    I thought it was obvious. I clicked the blank link... went to the video on youtube, read the comments. commented on their comments.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    Ah! ic @FP! I thought that`s exactly what happened!
    OMG! The video you linked is SO STUPID! I left a scathing remark!
    It saddens me that they put out (IMHO) a quality video and then botch it up with something that stupid.
    Thx for the corrected linky!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    "BUT she clearly supports Jihad, terrorism and hate."

    I didn`t get that from her full edited speech. Although I admit I got bored and turned it off halfway through. I just though she was fired up.

    "So people who comment on YouTube videos influence how you view the world? Nice! The actual message in the video =/= the idiots who spam YouTube for either side, ok? "

    Sometimes I just don`t get your mind. We were just pointing out the hateful people that are posting on the YouTube comments. That these people on the YouTube comments are hating against all Muslims.

    "No one HERE called her "a terrorist""

    Sadly I actually did call her a terrorist. I got caught up in the propaganda. I apologized after hearing the full poem.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    It`s hard to understand everything she`s saying in the unedited video (lots of reverb), but I didn`t hear any hate speech. I heard criticism of policy (U.S. and Israeli).

    Also, in the full video the Senator walks out near the end of her speech, after sitting through the supposed "hate speech" the video claims she says. He seems to be upset that she accuses the U.S. of genocide.

    @5Cats: Anyway, thanks for posting the full vid. It`s more interesting that the edited one. Thanks for posting a civil response to my fixed link. I prefer it to our constant arguing.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    September 26, 2012 at 5:19 pm
    @peakingo: What the VIDEO is promoting, and what the COMMENTS are promoting are two entirely different things!
    THAT is what the whole "Mohammed Movie" thing is about!
    If YOU get upset at this video, should it`s makers be arrested? Should a LAW be passed limiting human rights so YOU aren`t offended, ever, in the future?
    THAT is the issue at hand.

    As far as I`m concerned.
    You`re still free to (be wrong!) have your own opinions. (lolz at my jest!)

    As for MY reason for suggesting this? I was REALLY happy that a Democrat stood up for America! Heck, any politician standing up for human decency is OK in my books!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:19 pm
    "OMG! The video you linked is SO STUPID! I left a scathing remark!
    It saddens me that they put out (IMHO) a quality video and then botch it up with something that stupid."

    Again I don`t understand your mind sometimes. The second video just proves that both videos were produced for sensational purposes. And sadly these types of videos do get used by certain small minded Americans to attack all the Muslims as a whole.
  72. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    I didn`t get that from her full (UN-)edited speech.
    I`m assuming, lolz! She slips some in early, but like I say she "slides" them in there, real subtle, and I think that she says:
    -Children are killed for the American Banks to make money
    -Americans kill babies in their cribs with bombs
    -Muslim men must become snipers to protect their children (from Jews and Americans)

    Like you say: it`s hard to tell exactly, but that`s what I heard, heavily paraphrased, and some more too!

    I prefer it to our constant arguing.
    I do too @FP! I get grumpy sometimes and forget my manners.
    I hope it`s OK to call you @FP sometimes? Better than when I call you "@Fools" (which I`ll try to not do anymore, since it`s RUDE!) eh? :-) A smilie face makes everything better!!!
  73. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:34 pm
    @markust: My mind?
    Well, I ASSUME right off that everything I see on the internet is `biased` for one reason or another.
    Perhaps they`re making a political point? Selling something? Showing off how cool/dumb they are? Even sharing something cute or funny has a "reason" behind it.

    SO: The message I take away from this clip is: a US Senator (or State Senator idk which) heard something nasty and walked off the stage. Of course the clip needs to be edited! Who wants to watch 8 minutes of "Muslim Poetry Rap"?
    The long, un-edited clip speaks for itself, I like it a lot because I can form my own opinions on what the speakers said, based on what they actually said!
    The short "Nazi Style Salute" clips is idiotic! THAT is pure sensationalism and utterly out of context. And stupid.
    If one (the uploader) is going to try to change my mind about something, show me the facts! Not the fluff!
    Hope that helps! I`m going to watch baseball to
  74. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    ...cool off.
    Only 958!
    Boo! Broken Charecter Max Counter!
    ;-)
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    "I didn`t get that from her full (UN-)edited speech."

    Thanks for correcting that. I didn`t get much sleep last night. I`m running on fumes.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    We`re going to have to agree to disagree. For me if someone produces one clip that is pure sensationalism I am going to assume the other one from the same rally is sensationalism also. Because I saw where their mind was going in the first clip. I saw that they were trying to portray the Muslims as nazi like. The second clip they were trying to continue to show what a radical rally the muslims had. So radical a senator left. But you could take any rally in America and splice up the heated speakers into some kind of crazy propaganda video. I think the producers know damn well some small minded people will use this video to attack all muslims. Maybe that is what they want so they get exposure.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    I think I found the ugliest accent in the world.
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    2L84ME Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 6:00 pm
    The actions of a minority should not dictate our views of the majority.
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    SoCal Male 18-29
    650 posts
    September 26, 2012 at 6:10 pm
    All i know about Muslims is that they are needy little bitches that don`t tip and smell bad. But that is in the restaurant business, I hate everyone that smells bad and doesn`t tip. Oh and they have "the ugliest accent in the world."
  80. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 6:40 pm
    `I hope it`s OK to call you @FP sometimes? Better than when I call you "@Fools" (which I`ll try to not do anymore, since it`s RUDE!) eh? A smilie face makes everything better!!!`

    Yeah, that`s ok. The funny thing is that my username was supposed to be "FoolsPrussian" which is a play on words, but I didn`t realize that it was too many characters and got cut off. So I guess that makes me an actual fool.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    A lot of people here and the US think all muslims are like this.....a lot of atheists think all Christians are preachy and deluded too.

    Because of edited videos like this to a large extent that don`t show the full reality...or they don`t show the next rally that may have lots of muslims denouncing the extremist views of the others.

    It`s not showing the bigger picture. It`s not just some of us that do it to muslims too....some muslims have a view that the US and UK are at war with their religion rather than just the extremist terrorists. They forget things like the Bosnian war where the UK and US actively went there to protect muslims as part of the UN protection force. I served in both the UK military (under the UN) and twice attached to the US forces (under Nato) over there and know we saved a lot of muslims... some muslims forget that aid we gave.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 7:05 pm
    Ultimately it is sad to see that whilst we have developed to the point where we can put a robotic probe onto another planet, we are also still stuck in the dark ages to a large extent with so many people`s view of the world still based on the mumbo jumbo explanations of life from ancient times.

    Whilst we still let those myths of the past guide our present our future as a species will be jeopardy.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 7:15 pm
    That stupid woman is going to raise hateful children.
    It always baffling when women who are the most oppressed by the `religion` are the champions of the ways.
    She would probably be lashed for speaking to males, not of the family, where her family originally comes from. Irony of it.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    +1 for Dignity
    He didn`t make a scene. He just got up and left. They have a right, in this country, to say all the crazy poo they want. However, Mr. Avello also has the right to get the drat up and stop listening. Isn`t free speech a beautiful thing?
  85. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 26, 2012 at 10:45 pm
    The world ain`t big enough for Islam AND civilization. They know this; we don`t... yet.
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    Ilikelogic Male 40-49
    550 posts
    September 26, 2012 at 11:35 pm
    THAT`S WHY EDUCATION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT GIFT WE CAN GIVE TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.
  87. Profile photo of spanerbulb
    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 11:40 pm
    We should be proud of religion, it is after all one of the first steps made by the human race to explain and make sense of the world around us, it`s an important part of history. We need to move on from it though, embrace the universe around us for what it is. Instead we have so many people doing bad things to each other thinking that they have the blessing of god in doing so.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 11:40 pm
    One more thing ... would the senator have got up and left if it was Christians making similar remarks.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2012 at 12:27 am
    I fear its going to blow, WW3 could well be on its way, with Iran saying it wants to blow Israel of the map, Muslim extremists wanting to blow everyone of the map, China blowing up over Japan, the monetary crisis, pretty much makes a perfect storm right now. Over in Blighty the massive influx of asylum seekers has pretty much brought us to our knees. Dont know if the US has similar polices but something has to give,and the radical sorts are just the powder to make it blow
  90. Profile photo of jamie76
    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2346 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 12:29 am
    so two extremist act like total idiots and that somehow means that the couple thousand mulsims that were there are also bad?

    see, this is the problem with people in the US. We only hear the extremist and never bother to listen to the many Muslims that speak out against them, and there are many.

    seems like people would rather make a very complex situation as black and white as possible but we will never get anywhere doing that. In the history of mankind we never have gotten anywhere doing that...
  91. Profile photo of ferdyfred
    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2012 at 12:33 am
    And no, Im not condemning the normal Muslim sort,
    they are pretty much like the normal christian sort,and every other religion just want to live in peace and get on with their lives. Blame the media for piece picking tasty bits.And the Governments for fecking things up because of their incompetence
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2012 at 12:36 am
    jamie76
    Exactly what I just tried to explain, the media always pick the extreme, rather like saying Christians are all (correct me if I`m wrong) like the Westboro christian sect
  93. Profile photo of gary8162
    gary8162 Male 40-49
    933 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 1:22 am
    see, this is the problem with people in the US. We only hear the extremist and never bother to listen to the many Muslims that speak out against them, and there are many.
    But that`s not what happened here, is it? These two were up on stage spewing that extremist crap in front of everyone at a parade, an event that is supposed to be celebratory, not contradictory. This wasn`t a rally. Now I`m not saying they don`t have the freedom to say these things, but there is a time and a place for it and this wasn`t it. I believe Mr. Avello
    did the right thing. Let`s not jump on the "defend the Muslim religion" bandwagon over this. Wait until it really needs defending because trust me, it will.
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    avail9988 Male 18-29
    700 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 1:34 am
    Whats a Muzlim?
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2012 at 2:57 am
    The harra!
  96. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 6:37 am
    Notice the crow didn`t seem to mind any of this as for Muslims giving the nazi salute it`s pretty well documented many groups do. Live in the ultra PC bubble you`ll see....

    My mind is a guided doggy missle ready to skull f**k the pedo prophets fairytales and ejaculate bacon bits into its cranium!!!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2012 at 6:38 am
    crowd*
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2012 at 6:42 am

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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2012 at 6:43 am
    @fedryfred

    Yep I agree, every train of thought has crazy people hitching a ride at the back. Makes us all look bad even though majority are nothing like the nutters shown in the media.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 7:36 am
    I gave this 4 stars on the basis of hearing @5cats praise a Democrat alone. But even though the guy making the video isn`t exactly impartial, those speakers were just taking something positive and like CJ said, using it as a soapbox for hate.
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    Sistarose Female 30-39
    373 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 7:45 am
    As far as the blasphemy laws go, I will defend my right to point out Muhammad was a pedophile, because that is the direction this is going. If you can not freely talk about a religion then you can not deal with it freely.
  102. Profile photo of GhettoNinja
    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
    886 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 8:56 am
    Call Mohammed whatever you want, the truth of the matter is that this was HOW LONG AGO? Do you think they even had a word then that meant the same as pedophilia?

    No, you can`t judge someone from another historical era on modern day values.

    Jesus hung out with a prostitute. That doesn`t sound too great either, unless he was a pimp. He could have been. Do unto others and all you know.

    Your prophets are nothing more than mere men with the same foibles as all men.
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    UDUMASS Male 30-39
    60 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 9:11 am
    How long before people will have to rise up against these frickin` muslims that are trying to take everything over?
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    xelous Male 18-29
    2513 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Shame those people got a chance to speak
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2012 at 9:39 am
    It took a Democrat to see how stupid the muslims are.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2012 at 9:59 am
    @GhettoNinja

    GEEE you`re right it was ages ago so that makes plowing a 9 year old ok..... No wait that`s still f<ked! Now hows hanging with a hooker the same as raping a child?
  107. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2012 at 10:17 am
    So going off that logic then McGovern, you`re quite happy for christians to be tarnished forever more because thousands of years ago they used to stone unruly children? Executing children for being naughty....

    or do you think it`s ok for the christian religion to only be judged on the standards and laws in place then and not now...... but it`s not ok for muslims?



  108. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2012 at 10:27 am
    ferdyfred: The problem here is that these muslims gave these nutjobs a stage and a microphone to spread their hateful message.

    No Christian group would give the WBC or KKK a stage and microphone to spew hatred, hatred like that is simply against the Christian Creed.

    "Love your neighbor as you love yourself".
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2012 at 10:38 am
    @Listypoos

    You mean like what muslims do to women and gays right now? If you have good examples of those being practiced yes they should be ashamed of that much like they`re currently ashamed of pedo priests but they also don`t regard them a prophets and worship them now do they? Step out side your ultra PC bubble for a moment and open your eyes.
  110. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 11:41 am
    "much like they`re currently ashamed of pedo priests but they also don`t regard them a prophets and worship them now do they"


    Isn`t the Christian pope worshipped then?

    And before he became this worshipped head of the church, what was his job in the vatican? Head of the office dealing with sex abuse claims and he orchestrated a cover up, and personally failed to act on lots of evidence against specific pedophiles.

  111. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 11:45 am
    McGovern, this was just one case...there were lots of others on record by other priests.

    "An archbishop wrote letters in 1996 to the Vatican watchdog led by Cardinal Ratzinger calling for disciplinary proceedings against Fr Lawrence Murphy, according to Church and Vatican documents.
    Fr Murphy was a popular priest who is believed to have molested some 200 boys at St John`s School for the Deaf in St Francis, Wisconsin, between 1950 and 1974.
    A canonical trial authorised by Cardinal Ratzinger`s deputy was halted after Fr Murphy wrote to the future pope asking that proceedings be stopped, despite objections from a second archbishop."

    He personally intervened to stop internal trials of paedophiles within the church.... nevermind never once referring them to actual police authorities or courts despite laws having been broken.

    it`s like someone robbing a bank and the company he works for dealing with the issue rather than the police.

    but
  112. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2012 at 11:46 am
    Listypoos makes a great point. Nobody thinks all Catholics support pedophilia, even though the child sex abuse scandal is widespread among the clergy. Yet Westerners are often inclined to fear Islam for a threat that only comes from the most radical elements.
  113. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 11:48 am
    you only want to point the finger at muslims for their prophet having married a young girl, despite that being lawful in those ancient times.

    why not put as much effort into dissecting the christian faith as you do others.
  114. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    why not put as much effort into dissecting the christian faith as you do others.

    Are you new to this site???

    If you haven`t noticed Catholics numbers have been shrinking significantly over the years for that very reason. Now if you look at Bacha bazi you see that not only is it not covered up it`s accepted nice try!!
    you only want to point the finger at muslims for their prophet having married a young girl, despite that being lawful in those ancient times.

    So was the killing of disobedent children but I don`t see people accepting that now and following the word of the child stonig prophet to the letter. Here`s a towel wipe the bacon bits from your forehead!
  115. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    Lawful long ago doesn`t exempt you from being regarded as a slice of s**t!!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    Seriously? After the full video was posted people are still feeding the anger that this out of context propaganda video was created to produce?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    @markust123

    You mean the full video that contains the same things the propaganda contains?
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    THE HORRA.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    September 27, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    I equate this nonsense with a Canadian cat lover standing on a box lecturing passersby about how clubbing baby seals is virtuous.
  120. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    September 28, 2012 at 12:01 am
    "So was the killing of disobedent children but I don`t see people accepting that now"

    Are you really that drating thick that you missed the point I was making?
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    September 28, 2012 at 12:10 am
    CrakrJak
    true point
  122. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 28, 2012 at 5:47 am
    @Listypoos

    The point being musliums still stone people? molest little boys openly? or treat women like objects? GOOD POINT!
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    September 29, 2012 at 4:14 am
    Yup, you really are that drating thick.

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