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66 Responses to Sarah Silverman On Voter Fraud

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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 6:50 am
    Link: Sarah Silverman On Voter Fraud - Tips on what to do if your voting rights have been abridged.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 7:00 am
    This is stupid. Made it 4 seconds in.

    Hey Black people, old people, Immigrants!

    You`re too stupid to go get a FREE ID TO VOTE! So we are gonna block that law.

    In Ohio, Republicans have requested 18,000 absentee ballots. Democrats have requested 100,000. Just sayin`.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    September 21, 2012 at 7:03 am
    Just last night I slipped the F bomb out by accident- IN FRONT OF MY NANA! :( Stupid drating politics
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    TheLargeOne Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 7:30 am
    @auburnjunky What free ID are you talking about. I know that Florida, Pennsylvania, and Maryland charge for IDs.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 7:45 am
    "Disfranchisement (also called disenfranchisement) is the revocation of the right of suffrage (the right to vote) of a person or group of people, or rendering a person`s vote less effective, or ineffective. Disfranchisement may occur explicitly through law, or implicitly by intimidation or by placing unreasonable requirements."
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 8:30 am
    "I know that Florida, Pennsylvania, and Maryland charge for IDs."

    Negative. If you call the voter registration office, they will bring you 1 free voter ID card. That`s obviously all you can use it for, but it`s free, and you don`t even have to leave your house!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 8:31 am
    Well Markust. None of that occurs with the Voter ID law, so try again my friend. Anyone can get an ID. Anyone (with the legal right to vote).
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:02 am
    What a bunch of crap. Be an adult. Get yourself an ID. Problem solved. How the F do you go through life as an adult without ID? Bank much? Try and rent a car, get on a plane? Get booze? Cash that welfare check?

    Without an ID what`s stopping somebody from showing up at my polling place, saying they are me and voting in my stead?

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:04 am
    "Without an ID what`s stopping somebody from showing up at my polling place, saying they are me and voting in my stead?"

    Not a damn thing.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:26 am
    So black people, etc don`t drive, drink, and fly? Ironically, I needed my Driver`s license of register to vote!


    And young people?? With no ID? Have you been to a college campus? Everyone is getting wasted. And I live in Harlem. Believe it or not, people still get wasted here too!

    It almost seems as if it should be condescending to black people and immigrants, etc. As if they`re too incompetent to get something that would otherwise be free, so they`re being discriminated against. Good thing they have white liberals to manufacture this defense.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:26 am
    “Voter ID — which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania — done,” Pennsylvania House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R)

    It`s pretty clear in this dumb ass statement the intentions. Especially when the people pushing for the law could not prove that voter fraud exists. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court stated that the law could well be constitutional in the long run but could disenfranchise voters in the coming election. The case is back in the lower courts hands where they have to prove whether the state would be able to provide IDs in time for the Nov election for all eligible voters who want them. That ruling will be Oct 2nd. "David Gersch, a Washington lawyer who is helping to represent individuals and groups challenging the law, said they will be able to show considerable confusion and delay in the state’s efforts to provide the IDs."
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:29 am
    "Without an ID what`s stopping somebody from showing up at my polling place, saying they are me and voting in my stead?"

    Your signature that you wrote when you registered. You have to sign again to vote.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:33 am
    "Good thing they have white liberals to manufacture this defense."

    The only thing being manufactured are the false claims of voter fraud. These bills are being rushed through to stop people who would vote for Obama. You guys would be going out of your minds if something like this was being rushed through to stop conservative votes. It is my right to vote!, you would scream. But since it is not happening to your "side" it is fine. Way to sh*t on the constitution you f*cking hypocrites.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:39 am
    My state Washington is 100% vote by mail. Ballots are certified by our signatures. Zero people show ID. You can imagine the outrage from the right when this law was implemented last year. Yes the outrage. What, there wasn`t any? Huh, that`s odd.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:43 am
    Well then don`t wait for the state to do it for you, go do it yourself. Don`t let THE MAN keep you down.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 21, 2012 at 10:01 am
    I would have zero outrage if this was being done to "target" conservative voters. Firstly, I don`t care about them much, secondly, I don`t think they`d be victims. I think they`d be smart and competent enough to get the free ID. Or they would already be among the people who can drive, drink, go to the bank, fly, and a $hit ton of other things in modern society. In the slim chance that they aren`t, they can get the free ID. No more hassle than registering to vote itself.

    Zero things are stopping people from getting a free ID. My main problem with this debate is it being labeled racist. That is so dumb. I mean, for real. People must really think black people are dumb and inferior if they think that black people are just totally and woefully incapable of getting a free ID when they register to vote.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 10:08 am
    `Zero things are stopping people from getting a free ID`

    Here`s what I don`t understand. You`re a libertarian, right? Doesn`t the idea of making someone go through additional hoops just to participate in something that is their constitutionally mandated right go against your entire philosophy about government overreach?
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 10:19 am
    Of course voter fraud exsists. Madison county, Miss, has 123% more registered voters than people over 18; 6000 dead people are registered to vote in Dallas County, Texas; ACORN was caught registering dead people to vote in 2008; and New York has 77 million dead still registered to vote, with over 2000 of them having voted after death, just to name a few.
    On a side note, Pres. Obama is trying to ban overseas soldiers from being able to vote. I bet they all have ID`s.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 10:22 am
    If you really want to understand the issue, I think it would be good to listen to this NPR discussion: LINK
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    September 21, 2012 at 10:23 am
    "Of course voter fraud exsists. Madison county, Miss, has 123% more registered voters than people over 18; 6000 dead people are registered to vote in Dallas County, Texas; ACORN was caught registering dead people to vote in 2008; and New York has 77 million dead still registered to vote, with over 2000 of them having voted after death, just to name a few."

    None of these affect the actual vote. Show the list of actual voter fraud. You know where people actually voting committed fraud.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 10:24 am
    `Pres. Obama is trying to ban overseas soldiers from being able to vote`

    False. LINK
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 10:26 am
    "My main problem with this debate is it being labeled racist."

    What are you talking about? This affects black people, the elderly, the poor and students. The only people pulling the race card are conservatives. But it is the Joker (the race bait card).
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 10:46 am
    "If you really want to understand the issue, I think it would be good to listen to this NPR discussion: LINK"

    That was a really good discussion FoolsPrussia. Intelligent, both sides were represented, and the person that was for stricter Voter ID laws got the last word.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 10:46 am
    The people who just say "get an ID" seem to forget the process of becoming registered to vote and voting itself. In the states I`ve lived in, voter registration is tied to your name, address, phone and social security numbers and you can`t vote anyplace but your precinct.
    Then if you were to pretend to be someone else you`d risk jail time to provide 1 vote for your candidate when in fact there`s a 50 / 50 chance the candidate would have been the one the registered voter would have voted for.
    It`s just not logical and the only reason voter ID laws are in effect anywhere is because republicans are sore losers.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    September 21, 2012 at 11:15 am
    Imagine living in a very rural area. It could mean having to travel quite a distance to get to a DMV in order to get your ID card. Not everyone has a checking account. There are people who work for cash.

    And, government budget cuts have reduced the number of DMVs in many states, meaning your local DMV might have been shut down. That`s extra travel time for people who don`t have the money or time to purchase a bus ticket. Or, they may work more than one job to support their family and don`t have the time to get an ID card. The law mandates employers to give time off for voting, but it doesn`t mandate time off to go and get a photo ID card.

    Not everyone lives under the same circumstances as you.
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    Squidbush Male 40-49
    716 posts
    September 21, 2012 at 11:56 am
    So what you`re saying is people that live in a `very rural area` or are working two jobs are driving illegally?

    It`s not like public transportation gets better outside of cities in the US. It gets MUCH worse.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
    2054 posts
    September 21, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    firearm permit? I`m confused?
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    Someday she might be more funny. Anyways, neither of the 2 main candidates deserve or should be president. They are both sides of the same coin really. Until the electoral college is abolished voting won`t matter.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    So what you`re saying is people that live in a `very rural area` or are working two jobs are driving illegally?

    I suppose you typed this before you noticed that I corrected that in my post. It was an error my me to phrase it that way.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    September 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    So: Sarah thinks it`s OK to require ID to buy a bottle of beer, BUT NOT OK to require it to vote?

    I know, lets make voter fraud perfectly LEGAL! That solves the problem 100%!

    She`s really pretty, on the outside, but dumb as a rock on the inside...
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    September 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm
    Props to Sarah for telling it like it is in her usual punchy, sweet and sour with a spicy aftertaste manner!

    I`ve been musing on creating some T-Shirts for this thing all year:

    "Scare a Republican....VOTE."
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    September 21, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    i love her :-)
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    Voting is a right not a privilege 5Cats. What were you saying about dumb as a rock?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    markust: Sure it`s a right US Citizens have. But not non-citizens, persons under 18yrs. of age, dead people, pets, cartoon characters or people that don`t exist at all. You also don`t get to vote twice, or three or four or other multiple times.

    I have no problem with ID requirements. IDs are necessary for damn near everything these days. I do believe that State IDs should be free or very low cost for those of limited means.

    The racism charge against voter ID laws is BS, we are over 40 years removed from Jim Crow, it`s time the integrity of our elections be the priority.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    The best example I can give is from the NPR talk FoolsPrussia linked. A woman`s mother moved to her state. The mother was black so she was not allowed to be born at the hospital. She was born at home so she did not have a birth certificate. To get the voter ID this daughter had to pay all sorts of fees to prove that her mom was who she was and she had to purchase the birth certificate. That was even before going through the hassle of getting the voter ID. Someone who is dirt poor who does not have the resources this daughter had to help her mom would not be able to get the new ID and would be blocked from voting, and that my friends is voter disenfranchisement.
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    Harlekk Male 18-29
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    September 21, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    Getting a picture ID is not difficult, or expensive. I am a poor black college student who does not have a driver`s license, and yet I have a photo ID. It cost me 5 dollars.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    I dont know why I am even answering you CrakrJak, you`ll just move the goal post for whatever I will say. Voting is a right. You can not rush a law through that will block people from voting initially. This can be done over a long period of time but it can not be rushed because people will be blocked from voting. Pennsylvania could not prove that there was any voter fraud so what is the rush? My state votes completely by mail. None of us show ID. And your example of voter fraud is registry fraud. Where are the examples of actual voters committing fraud? It is not worth the federal crime for one vote. And for your last comment only conservatives are pulling the race card on this one. Blacks, the elderly, the poor and students are all affected by the new voter laws.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    September 21, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    This is why we need a new Voting Rights Act, so skeevy Rep dirty tricks don`t erode our democracy.

    So no more just barely work arounds on the "No Poll Tax" law from Jim Crow days gets pushed through, no more special targeting of latino and black voters, and no more just barely work arounds on the "No Literacy Tests" law from Jim Crow days for everyone else. Every single study on "voter fraud" comes back with the same predictable results, it`s a solution looking for a problem and the stuff that does happen is infinitesimally small.

    Just the other day some NC based voter suppression group claimed 30,000 people on the rolls were dead and needed to be removed. The state took action and mailed every one of these "dead", all are still very much alive.

    Demographics don`t portend a bright future for Reps and they know it, but stupid s#it like this isn`t going to help them. Come 2016 at the most it`s effectively over.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    "And for your last comment only conservatives are pulling the race card on this one. Blacks, the elderly, the poor and students are all affected by the new voter laws."

    I have to correct myself on this. Both sides are pulling the race card. I have heard lots of Jim Crowe comments. Probably made a few myself. Haven`t seen any in this thread though.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    How about that for bad timing QueenZira? That is so funny.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    CJ: What about someone`s grandmother? Maybe she lives alone and doesn`t have contact with her family, and she doesn`t drive anymore. She`s always been a voter, but this fall she shows up at the polls to cast her vote, but she`s told that she can`t because she doesn`t have an ID.

    Is that right? It`s not like having to get insurance and a driver`s license so you can drive. This is one of our basic rights.
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    Mardie Female 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    It costs money to get a state issued I.D.. You need a state issued I.D. to vote. Therefore, it costs money to vote.
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
    1038 posts
    September 21, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    Well if its that important maybe they should vote on it.


    lol.
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    PinkHomicide Female 18-29
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    September 21, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    I don`t know about other states, but in PA an state issued photo ID obtained for voting purposes is FREE.

    So if you`re a resident of Pennsylvania and if you really want to waste your time pretending your vote counts during the presidential election you can better understand your free ID here and then fill out and print this form then bring it to your local DMV.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    September 21, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    Can still mail in your ballets in all these states. Without an ID. Doesn`t that make the whole thing pointless?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    FoolsPrussia: Since I myself was in a nursing home facility recovering from a hospital stay. I can affirm that people can and do aid seniors in voting. Those same people even asked me if I was going to vote and if I wanted help to be registered to vote. Not only that but churches, synagogues, temples and other civic organizations even offer free transportation to and from the polls.

    Even in your stated case, `granny` would have to have some form of ID to cash her SS check, open a bank account (for direct deposit of her SS check), write a check to pay for her groceries, be admitted to a hospital, buy liquor, apply for food stamps, buy Sudafed, to return an item at a store or even buy Draino, in the state of Illinois (my state).

    I believe the excuses, that `granny`, or any other legal citizen, may not have ID are ridiculous.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    What a nasty stupid twat. If you can`t get your $#!+ together enough to get a picture ID, I don`t give a dry fap who you think ought to win the election.

    And if you don`t think voter fraud is real, consider this. In Minnesota, the number of felons who voted illegally was greater than Al Franken`s margin of victory, and a poll showed that 90% of them voted for Franken. Had it not been for their votes, Franken would have lost, the Democrats would have only had 59 votes in the Senate instead of 60, and ObamaCare could not have passed.

    It matters.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm
    `I believe the excuses, that `granny`, or any other legal citizen, may not have ID are ridiculous.

    The point is that all the examples you provided are not always the case. Your situation is not the same as everyone else`s.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 22, 2012 at 12:35 am
    FoolsPrussia: Then work towards finding those rare cases of citizens without IDs, but quit using that as an excuse to cover-up voter fraud.

    What kills me is the hypocrisy of democrats decrying the plight of ID-less voters, but this administration will not guarantee that our soldiers abroad be allowed to vote in a timely manner so their votes will count.

    Talk about disenfranchisement, the claim that `granny` won`t be allowed to vote is just pathetically weak compared to sweeping or soldiers votes under the rug.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 22, 2012 at 12:45 am
    Military Voters Disenfranchised
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    SavageChef Female 50-59
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    September 22, 2012 at 3:38 am
    Could Sarah Silverman be a little more stupid? See,`cause I haven`t had a good laugh in a bit of a while. How many ordinary human acts require ID? Let me list them. Driving a car. Buying smokes. Buying booze. Renting an apartment. Getting a loan. Buying a house. Registering your kid in school. Getting your teeth fixed. Seeing a doctor. Getting welfare. Getting food stamps. Getting a "payday" loan. Getting a passport to get the freak out of the country. Oh yeah, and you say you want a job? Okay then, where`s your ID? So, Sarah, and all your dumbass cohorts: what the heck is your major malfunction?
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    kree_ Male 30-39
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    September 22, 2012 at 5:47 am
    @savagecook
    Actually pretty much none of those require an ID. I will give you "driving a car" but only because it requires a license which happens to be an ID.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 22, 2012 at 10:42 am
    `this administration will not guarantee that our soldiers abroad be allowed to vote in a timely manner so their votes will count.

    Someone already tried this claim earlier in the thread, and I busted it. But here is the link again: LINK
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    HI-haole Male 18-29
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    September 22, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    Maaan she is dumb and a sheep following what someone else told her was right...

    Who doesn`t have a basic ID so you can buy beer or whatever... Those ID`s that she showed shows no real proof of identification... Anyone can make a fake one of those to commit voter fraud or to buy liquor if they were legit forms of acceptable identification...

    Btw.. the reason why they accept the firearm permits is because they have a really strict background check to get one, the equivalent of a passport...
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    HI-haole Male 18-29
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    September 22, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    @SavageChef: You said it best..

    @kree_: You`re dumb dumb
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    kree_ Male 30-39
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    September 22, 2012 at 2:33 pm
    @HI-hat

    I do not have a basic ID for the purchasing of Alcohol, because an ID is not required for the purchasing of Alcohol. Depending on the state there is always an ID-less option. Most allow for an Affidavit ledger, where you sign with your name and address an agreement stating that you are of legal age to purchase Alcohol.
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    HI-haole Male 18-29
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    September 22, 2012 at 2:58 pm
    @kree_

    I`ve been to "most" of the states in this union and I have NEVER even heard of that...

    Maybe they do that in the backwoods town you live in because everyone knows each other, but that is not how it works in the real world...

    You`re basically saying that, anywhere in your state you can be under 21 but all you have to do is put down a fake name and address and you can buy alcohol? That`s the same premise with voter fraud...

    Damn you`re dumb dumb...
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    kree_ Male 30-39
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    September 22, 2012 at 7:14 pm
    @hi-ho
    http://www.abc.virginia.gov/
    licensing/abcfaq1.htm
    >Are you required to have an ID to purchase alcoholic beverages?
    >No; however, alcoholic beverages may not be sold to persons under 21.

    Not going to bother to list all 50 states. But trust me, in the majority of them, no photo ID is required.
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    HI-haole Male 18-29
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    September 22, 2012 at 9:57 pm
    @kree_
    It`s not required if you already know that they are 21 or over...

    Damn... You really are an ignoramus... I didn`t really want to think it was true...

    “Underage buyers use only their true state-issued ID to purchase alcohol or tobacco,” Mawyer said. “If the underage buyer is asked for their ID, they must show it. And if asked their age, they must be truthful and state it.”

    Selling alcohol to a minor is a Class 1 misdemeanor. Class 1 misdemeanors are punishable with up to a year in jail and a $2,500 fine.

    Stores that violate the law also face civil penalties and can have their ABC license suspended. The penalties can be stiff: A Henrico County convenience store that sold to an underage buyer was fined $10,000, and a cafe in Centreville, in Northern Virginia, was fined $8,000, according to ABC’s data. Both retailers were repeat offenders.

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    HI-haole Male 18-29
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    September 22, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    Link To Article...

    Stop listening to other people and think for yourself for once...
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    kree_ Male 30-39
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    September 23, 2012 at 5:33 am
    @Hi-Haole

    You are changing your argument. YOU said an photo ID was required to purchase Alcohol. I said it was not. I was correct. Penalties for selling to underage persons is a completely different matter. So let us try this again. Hi-Haole, is an photo ID required for the purchase of alcohol in the state of Virginia?
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    HI-haole Male 18-29
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    September 23, 2012 at 11:13 am
    @kree_

    If the proprietor of an establishment knows that a person is over 21, the person buying obviously doesn`t have to show ID, just like everywhere else in the world.
    So lets try this again...

    But if said proprietor doesn`t know if a person is over 21 or not and doesn`t want to get fined up to $10,000 by the government and possibly lose their license, then the person buying the liquor has to show valid ID if asked.

    No where does it say that all you have to do is sign an affidavit ledger where basically they`re going by "the honor system" and all you have to do is put down your name and address, where you can obviously put down false information, and you can then purchase liquor.

    So to wrap it up... If the proprietor doesn`t know you and also doesn`t want to possibly get fined, then you need valid ID. If they do know you, or think without a doubt that you`re over 21, then you don`t need ID... Just like everywhere else.
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    HI-haole Male 18-29
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    September 23, 2012 at 11:19 am
    Also, you probably never had a job, cause you`ll know that you need a valid ID for that as well. Unless you`re getting paid under the table of course.

    Oh, if you`re poor, then you need ID for welfare and/or food stamps.

    If you`re a student, you need ID to sign up for school.

    Have you ever left your small town in Virginia before?
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    kree_ Male 30-39
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    September 23, 2012 at 3:28 pm
    @hi,

    So we are making progress. Point A has been set, an photo ID is not always required to purchase alcohol. Point B, will be slightly harder to prove, as 1. I am not a lawyer, and 2. google is overflowing with links about voter ID laws.

    So instead I will tell you a little story. Way back in 2002, I went to Rhode Island for university. It was a cooking school, and I really enjoyed it. Two things stood out. First we were allowed to drink during class. State law allowed for alcohol to be served for educational purposes. Secondly the bartending teacher taught us all about checking for IDs. one of the most important lessons was when to turn someone away, and how to protect our own asses if we wanted to serve someone without a photo ID present.

    You are almost correct about needing an ID for getting a job. But there are a few acceptable means of identifying yourself without an ID. you can use your voter registration card, indians can use their tribal documentat
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    SavageChef Female 50-59
    2692 posts
    September 24, 2012 at 6:24 am
    So, who are these mysteriously ID-less Americans? And who are the bad people who prevent them from having identification? How do these poor folk live? How do they rent apartments, buy houses, apply for loans and credit cards? How do they drive cars, carry insurance, write checks, see a doctor or dentist, get public utilities like gas, electricity and water? What do they show when a cop stops them for speeding? How did they get their job, or perhaps, how did they obtain their welfare benefits and food stamps? How did they go to school, and how were they able to register their children at school? How can they use a credit card? How the hell did they get a credit card, anyway? How do they buy their booze and smokes? How can they get their social security or medicare?
    I live in California, where it costs $24.00 for a state identification card, and it`s free if you are over 62. So, disenfranchised would-be voter, pull the other one.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    September 24, 2012 at 5:19 pm
    @cookieboy
    >How do they: rent apartments,
    no photo id needed
    >buy houses,
    no photo id needed
    >apply for loans and credit cards?
    No photo id needed
    >How do they drive cars,
    most poor people don`t, but you dont need an id to drive, you need a license, which just happens to be an id.
    >carry insurance,
    no photo id needed
    >write checks,
    no photo id needed
    >see a doctor or dentist,
    no photo id needed

    This is getting repetitive. Instead of answering each separately, I`ll just say, none of the example you listed require a photo id
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