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86 Responses to Romney On His Controversial Fundraiser Remarks

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:30 am
    Link: Romney On His Controversial Fundraiser Remarks - Welp, there goes his presidential run.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:34 am
    Actually, I think this will help his presidential run.

    He did state it, pretty much, as it is.
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    Flashpacker Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:45 am
    If this guy wins the election.. wow.. just wow.
    At least Obama deep inside want to make america a better place for everyone. not much anyone could do as a puppet anyway, though, but isn`t it better to go with someone who actually is capable of feeling compassion?
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:46 am
    Well, he`s right, isn`t he? If anything, this may help Romney.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:49 am
    No he`s not right. In fact it`s proof that Mitt Romney has no understanding of the country he lives in.
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    chicagojay Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:55 am
    The truth hurts
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:57 am
    There goes his presidential run? He;s a republican. Republicans will vote for him, even if he ran naked through a junior schoool killing everything that moved and shouted I hate obama!
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:59 am
    As seen in this thread, the country is full of idiots who believe whatever crap is told to them, instead of reading up BOTH sides of the debate and forming a logical conclusion.

    You would have though that republicans would have learned something after 8 years of bush in power.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 8:02 am
    I thought he responded quite well...at first. "...between a government-dominated society and a society driven by free people pursuing their dreams..."

    Simple false dichotomy, but that`s pretty much par for the course in any election. I think he was doing ok, but then degenerated into talking points.

    Politics 101: Whenever you`re in trouble, stick to talking points. Good on `ya Mitt!
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 8:10 am
    Republicans. You rejected Ron Paul and threw your lot in with Satan. Smooooth move.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 8:10 am
    *Typo: Mitt Romney

    Damn this auto-correct.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 8:11 am
    Damn, Romney is an idiot.
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    EVILLECUTTER Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 8:11 am
    gary johnson for president
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 8:15 am
    Camera skip @2:04. Is this edited?
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 8:26 am
    I think thats cos it was recorded digitally from a digital tv box auburn. There are plenty of other copies on the web that dont have that "cut " in it.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 9:00 am
    Throughout his response he looks like he has to take a poop really bad. He is sweating because he knows he just insulted a large number of independents and pretty much lost the Presidency for himself. There are only 49 days until the election. That is not enough time for this one to go away. Thanks for playing.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 9:06 am

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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 9:08 am
    Also guys, he just made another HUGE mistake when talking about the middle east.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 9:16 am
    Flashpacker-"At least Obama deep inside want to make america a better place for everyone."

    I`m sorry, but there has been no evidence to support this in the last 3.5 years.
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    handimanner Male 60-69
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    September 18, 2012 at 9:24 am
    Notice how every time he lies he pulls his head into his chin and gives the doe-eyes. Ryan kinda does the same thing. Must be a new republican strategy.
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    Tacos4Brkfst Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 9:26 am
    Did he say something that offended you, i-a-b?

    Go cry somewhere else 47%
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    jjjonesee Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 9:32 am
    Let`s take a look into his past before his presidential run. Romney and his group used other peoples money to purchase businesses. Once a company was acquired they tore it a part piece by piece until there was nothing left. Thousands were left jobless and he and his group profited out the wazoo. Not to mention that he advocated for jobs to go overseas because of cheap labor. So my question is, what do you really think he would do for the American people?
    I am not a fan of Obama either, but which is the lesser of the two evils?
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    imnakdjumpme Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 9:40 am
    Great to hear that this out-of-touch, grendel, isnt going to get any closer to mcgoverning from the white house.



    old ollie
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    whtevr Female 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 9:49 am
    lol @ Tacos4brkfst! That one is a keeper!
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 10:01 am
    His problem is that he`s still in "appeal to the base" mode, when he should be trying to have broader appeal. He`s failing miserably to do so, and Obama is going to reap the benefits.
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    New_Guy Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 10:18 am
    BLah blah blah... this is not the statements your looking for (Jedi mind trick wave)
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 10:29 am
    You guys on the Right can argue all you want that his statements are correct, but it doesn`t change the fact that this makes him look exactly the way his opponents have tried to cast him: as an out of touch, unempathetic plutocrat. He`s not going to win making statements like this.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 10:44 am
    Great to hear that this out-of-touch, grendel, isnt going to get any closer to mcgoverning from the white house.

    Yes if you`re looking for McGoverning I`m your man!!

    I`m McGovern and I support this bullshii.. errmm message!
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    September 18, 2012 at 10:46 am
    He handled that quite badly. Free people pursuing their dreams? Come on, really? He just called almost half of Americans bums.
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    botfly Male 50-59
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    September 18, 2012 at 10:47 am
    so being correct doesn`t matter, vote for the guy that`s wrong....f*cking amazing
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 10:49 am
    The tax cheat that pays 13% in taxes thinks that those of us who pay 30% are moochers. This moron will never be president. Shocking that this is the best GOP has to offer.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 10:50 am
    `so being correct doesn`t matter, vote for the guy that`s wrong....f*cking amazing`

    I never said he was correct. In fact, he is not correct. I`m just pointing out that the people who agree with him are a small minority, and he`s going to alienate a lot of people talking like this.
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 10:51 am
    and dont forget this is the guy who thinks middle class makes 200k-250k a year just to break that down thats 4k-5k a week he is way out of touch from reality
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:03 am
    Has the repost been deleted?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:04 am
    "so being correct doesn`t matter, vote for the guy that`s wrong....f*cking amazing"

    I can`t hold my tongue. How is Mitt correct? The 47% are not all Obama voters. Roughly half are Republicans plus there are many independents in there. He insulted retired voters with this comment. A greater portion of which are Republican. He insulted students with this comment. A lesser portion of which are Republican but he still needs their vote. He insulted single mothers with this comment. He insulted the poor with this comment. He insulted parents of disabled children with this comment. He insulted many disabled people with this comment. He insulted America with this comment. So I ask again how was Mitt correct?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:06 am
    "Has the repost been deleted?"

    Yes, the liberals were winning the argument in that one so it had to go.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:10 am
    "Welp, there goes his presidential run."


    And there was much rejoicing. :-D
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:23 am
    Damn, I`d just posted a telling and detailed comment on that. Never mind.

    Telling almost half your electorate that they are worthless bums is seldom a good idea.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:27 am
    @LordJim. Hit the back button a couple times. You`ll get what you wrote back.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:36 am
    "Yes, the liberals were winning the argument in that one so it had to go."

    I was kidding with this comment. Don`t know why the repost was deleted.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:39 am
    Markust,

    Got this; `Either BOF or EOF is True, or the current record has been deleted.`

    I have no way of telling if the first part of that is true, but never mind. A small annoyance.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:46 am
    The ironic thing is that a lot of Romney`s recent campaign has been a hard turn to the Right. Standing behind these comments and his statements on Libya seem to be an appeal to the strong conservative base, yet he`s really seemed to fire up the Left in the process. He`s simultaneously convincing likely Obama voters to get more active and alienating the small percentage of undecided voters just to try to get the more hardcore Republican voters to trust him, which they`ve never done previously.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:50 am
    This whole issue is a distraction from Obama`s screw up in Libya. They were warned 3 days before and ignored it.

    The media is covering for him, they sat on this video for 4 months waiting to use it to distract people`s attention away. Obama`s foreign policies have been disastrous and we are just supposed to ignore that because of this video?
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:52 am
    CJ, we`re supposed to ignore that the presidential candidate openly admits to not giving a crap about ~half of the population of the US? Not everything is some big media conspiracy. /You`re/ trying to distract /us/ from what Romney has said by inventing a conspiracy that`s completely unrelated.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    "The media is covering for him, they sat on this video for 4 months waiting to use it to distract people`s attention away. Obama`s foreign policies have been disastrous and we are just supposed to ignore that because of this video?"

    You did not just call Mother Jones the media. That would be like calling Brietbart the media. You sound ridiculous with this absurd theory. And we all know you would be the first to attack Obama if he had a video like this leaked. "Notice how the MSN isn`t showing the video", you would say. Even though they would be showing it. Maybe the victims Mitt was talking about was his voters because you sure are acting like one.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    Lillian: He didn`t say that and you know it.

    He said his message wouldn`t appeal to them, that is completely different than saying he doesn`t care.

    He was just saying he was trying to appeal to the independent thoughtful voters in the middle. So just what the hell is wrong with that ?

    You liberals have overblown this non-event beyond all reason. Meanwhile, people are dying because Obama is a SCOAMF.

    The Libyan disaster could`ve been prevented
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    "He said his message wouldn`t appeal to them, that is completely different than saying he doesn`t care."

    Sure Lillian is stretching the truth a bit but so are you. You are part of the 47% Mitt was talking about and his message sure does appeal to you.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    To Romney if you are not making $200,000+ a year you are just the poo on his shoes.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    This whole issue is a distraction from Obama`s screw up in Libya. They were warned 3 days before and ignored it. --------
    This is the republican version of Bush not comprehending the 5 PDBs he apparently ignored. The problem with this nonsense is it`s nonsense. There is no basis in fact just right wing lies.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    When eleceted president I will abolish all political parties and shoot all lawyers to the moon! I`ll completely withdraw from the mideast salt the earth and cut all they billions we give them. I`ll legalize all drugs and make a license to parent. Finally we`ll nuke France....


    I`m the McGovinator and I don`t f**k around... I mean support this message!!

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    markust: I`m not part of the 47% that are solid democrat voters, Sorry you`re wrong there.

    The liberals have distorted and twisted this around so much now, that they are contradicting themselves. Like madest, he believes that southerners are all on welfare and that Romney was talking about them. This rhetoric is absolutely ridiculous.

    Meanwhile Obama ignores warnings and an ambassador dies, which hasn`t happened since 1979. It`s time this president take accountability for his screw ups.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    It`s funny CJ that FoxNews.com, BBC News and The International Herald Tribune are not talking about this 3 day warning you are so confident happened. The foreign press loves to attack us on things like this. Could it be that you only get your news from political pundits on cable news and from other sensational sources? You might try reading your news. You will get a more honest version.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    I wonder if the recently discovered recording of Obama admiting he believe in redistribution will get as much press?

    Of COURSE it will.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    "I`m not part of the 47% that are solid democrat voters, Sorry you`re wrong there. "

    Watch the video again. He clarifies that this 47% is the 47% of Americans who do not pay income taxes. He is not just talking about Democratic voters. He is so out of touch with the common man that he thinks you will vote for Obama because you do not pay income taxes.
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    kangoala Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    *Votes for McGovern 2012*
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    CrakrJak

    Not a media conspiracy, just someone who is very bad at politics. Although it is true that now the narrative has been established that Romney = gaffe then that will only increase the media`s tendency to focus on his `mis-speaking`.

    You can get away with one or two, but once you hit a certain level people are just expecting another stupid or widely offensive remark to pop up. These remarks and his inept response to the reaction just perfectly feed into the Dem`s portrayal of him.

    I think this may be his defining moment.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    Here is the transcript CJ. It is very clear at the end that he was talking about the 47% of Americans that don`t pay income tax:

    "There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that`s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean the President starts off with 49, 49…he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. 47% of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect."
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    "These are people who pay no income tax. 47% of Americans pay no income tax."
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    Does he believe this? Probably not but he was stupid enough to play up to his base at a $50K a plate fundraiser with a bitch slap to half of America. Was the addition of, "These are people who pay no income tax. 47% of Americans pay no income tax." a gaffe? Probably but it is too late to put this one back in the bottle. He`s done and he has no one to blame but himself, well and the idiots who voted him in as the candidate.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    "47% of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect."

    And this is damning in what way?

    In `90 they instituted a luxury tax on yachts over $100,000, and it didn`t connect with me as I didn`t own a yacht.

    That didn`t stop the tax (which was supposed to bring in $31 million in extra taxes in `91) from COSTING $7.6 million. (Sales of $100,000+ yachts tanked, so the actual income was only $16 million...subtract from that the 7,600 jobs in the luxury yacht industry lost as a result of the tax, increased unemployment benefits for those and loss of tax on their income).

    markust123-"He`s done and he has no one to blame but himself"

    I doubt he lost a single vote because of these honest statements that the libs are screaming to turn into a `gaffe`. He`ll probably pick some up.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    "And this is damning in what way?"

    He said flat out that 47% of Americans are dependent upon government and believe that they are victims. In this 47% are seniors, students, the poor... It was a stupid stupid thing to say. The liberals do not need to spin this. Mitts words are damning. Stick a fork in him. He is done. You do not insult half of America if you want to be elected president.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    markust123-"You do not insult half of America if you want to be elected president."

    Yeah, he could try Obama`s tactic of insulting ALL of America. (some are just too dumb to realize they`ve been insulted).
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    @MeGrendel, that is about as close to you admitting that you were wrong as I have seen. I`ll take it.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    I have a positive opinion of him since this has come out.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    Hmm... I`ve read through the arguments and I just don`t see it.

    I can`t call this a `gaffe` as so many have put it because he is correct (roughly). Sure, this ~47% pays FICA and excise taxes, but they don`t pay federal income tax; this is what he claimed. I can`t fault someone for being honest.

    Now, as for those who think he does not care about that group, his words do not indicate this. His words suggest that he isn`t going to focus on attracting that group politically because he does not feel that the effort will justify the rewards. Again, it just isn`t what he said.

    Now, for those who think he insulted that group, I think he did somewhat. SOME of those people deserve the criticism, but surely not all of them do.

    This is the same as `You didn`t build that`... It`s only damning to those incapable of developing intelligent thoughts.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    September 18, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:44:12 PM
    @MeGrendel

    A tax on yachts? How dreadful, how intrusive, how relevant to the subject? But you are probably right. The the yacht owning demographic will probably go Mitt. Mostly, some will have moral qualms.

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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    HA, why does he assume that all of the 47% who don`t pay income tax are going to vote for Obama? I bet the percentage of republicans to democrats in this 47% is about even. More than likely half of independents are in this group also. He really did shoot himself in the foot. Conservative media will spin this until their followers, who would already have voted for Mitt, won`t recognize the truth but the independents don`t pay attention to opinion media. They will get the raw words straight from Mitt`s mouth and form their own opinions. I guarantee he has lost independent votes.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 2:08 pm
    markust123-"MeGrendel, that is about as close to you admitting that you were wrong as I have seen. I`ll take it."

    I`m sure there are a lot of things you delude yourself into taking in your little world. It in now way resembles reality.

    LordJim-"A tax on yachts? How dreadful, how intrusive, how relevant to the subject?"

    You don`t find the unintended results of over-taxation relevant?
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    Can`t we all just admit Mitt Romney is stupid and move on?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    @mark: He was playing politics and it was what those attending the fundraiser wanted to hear. That being said, I don`t think he meant that literally all of those in the ~47% group will definitely vote for Obama. I think he meant moreso that there is a significant portion of the population that has become accustomed to receiving government aid, and that it is very likely that those individuals will vote for Obama.

    Don`t get me wrong, I`m not a very big Romney guy and I think he definitely chose his words very poorly in this case. However, I just don`t think it`s as big of a deal as it is being made out to be. Just as the "you didn`t build that" controversy, the words betray the intent of the message.

    But yes, you are correct that the 47% is certainly made up of reasonably equal political affiliations.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    "I don`t think he meant that literally all of those in the ~47% group will definitely vote for Obama. I think he meant moreso that there is a significant portion of the population that has become accustomed to receiving government aid, and that it is very likely that those individuals will vote for Obama."

    I totally agree that he was just playing up to the crowd. Believe me I have said some stupid things when I have been alone with me friends. It was just stupid of him to assume there is no recording device around. And you are wrong, he literally did say, "There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what." I posted the transcript of this section of the talk in this thread. And notice I do not call it a speech. This was very off the cuff - but so so stupid. I feel like I am watching a train wreck on TV. It is very weird.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    @mark: I started to make an argument about how he is right that roughly 47% of the population will vote for Obama regardless (which I think is true - same can be said of him) but that he didn`t fully link the two groups (those paying no income tax vs. those entrenched in voting for Obama).

    Then I reread the transcript and read this part:

    These are people who pay no income tax. 47% of Americans pay no income tax.
    That was a stupid thing for him to say. You`re right on this one.

    I still think that the other points I made earlier, in my first post, are still valid though.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    This is way different than "you didn`t build that". Mitt`s speech is not being taken out of context. The more of the speech you hear the worse Mitt sounds. It is his actual words in full context that are damning. Did he mean it? I seriously doubt it. He seams like a decent man. But the talk is out there. In the words of Jerry Seinfeld, Good luck with all that.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    "I still think that the other points I made earlier, in my first post, are still valid though."

    Absolutely.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    @mark: As for the comparison of the two "gaffes", we were just using different criteria for the word `similar`.

    I consider them similar because, in each case, the words being attacked aren`t actually what the speaker meant to say. I agree that they`re different situations because Obama meant to say those literal words, and then had them taken out of context; Romney, on the other hand, did not have his words taken out of context.

    The similarity I suggest is that, in both cases, both speakers used "the wrong words" to convey their message. I do think that Romney`s statements were more damning though (as per my last post).

    That all being said, I think they`re all moot points. I am very certain at this point that Obama is going to win.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    MeGrendel

    "I wonder if the recently discovered recording of Obama admiting he believe in redistribution will get as much press?"

    What exactly do you have a problem with about that? Tax credits for children or buying a house, public education or safety, school grants or business loans are all forms of distribution.

    Maybe it is just a fundamental difference of opinion, but I think it is disgusting to have a system where some children go to bed starving while some people eat $700 an ounce caviar.

    I don`t like a system where some people are born rich and spend all their lives playing around without ever really contributing to society while some people work hard their whole lives and die penniless.

    For some people, the government redistribution you find so vile is the only way they survive.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    @HolyGod: What exactly do you have a problem with about that?
    I`ll take a jab at this; I don`t think I`ve had a conversation with you in awhile (or ever?).

    My first issue with it is bureaucratic waste. There is a research study on Mises.org (I can find it if you want..) that found that, for every $1 redistributed by the federal government, $5 goes to the bureaucracy; these are people that do not need our financial help. The bureaucratic waste in private charity is a paltry $0.33 per $1 redistributed.

    Next comes the personal question of, is this the jurisdiction of the federal government or the states? I believe it to be the states.

    Furthermore, there is a concern for morality. I believe it to be one of the greatest sins to take the earnings of one person (by force) and give them to another. Such laws are well-intentioned, but have no place in government.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    "The similarity I suggest is that, in both cases, both speakers used "the wrong words" to convey their message."

    Look at that two for two. I agree with you again on everything you just said.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    HumanAction-"What exactly do you have a problem with about that?"

    Because the `Redistribution` he was talking about has a very definite meaning, and it`s not tax credits, school grants or business loans (which I have no problem with).

    His `Redistribution` is nationalization of property, eminent domain, and land reform.

    His `Redistribution` is telling business owners `you didn`t build that` on your own so he`ll have the support of dumb when he confiscates their profits (after all, it`s not all `their`s`, is it?).

    His `Redistribution` is limiting the amount of wealth or property that an individual can own.

    His `Redistribution` is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    I am laughing so hard. FoxNews.com is trying to distract their readers from the Mitt Romney debacle by dragging out a 14 year old clip of Obama saying he is in favor of redistribution in some instances. I can imagine what they are doing on their cable show. They just jumped the shark and @MeGrendel falls in line like a good little sheep. Baaaa baaaa baaaaaaaaaaaa.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    @MeGrendel: and it`s not tax credits, school grants or business loans
    I DO have a problem with these items as well as almost any other form of redistribution on a federal level.

    Not a single one of the previously mentioned items cannot be handled on a state to state basis. We cannot have progress if laws continue to be passed at the federal level, since it prevents experimentation with different concepts. Quite literally, it obstructs the trial of new ideas.

    Furthermore, in my opinion, no level of government should give out any type of loan or tax credit. These are not concerns of the government.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm
    I`m not going to vote for Romney.
    But I still don`t see why everyone is upset over this.
    Like he said here again, 47% of Americans don`t pay federal income taxes. So his message of lowering taxes means nothing to them. Stop reading into and taking out of context what he said.
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2012 at 11:30 pm
    Lower your standards
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    miasmaat Female 18-29
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    September 19, 2012 at 1:18 am
    Wow... deja vu of Bush when he is asked a non scripted question.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2012 at 5:56 am
    The liberals have distorted and twisted this around so much now, that they are contradicting themselves. Like madest, he believes that southerners are all on welfare and that Romney was talking about them. This rhetoric is absolutely ridiculous. -------
    Says the southern guy on welfare...
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2012 at 9:20 am
    Wrong. If anything, this helps Romney. The left will misinterpret this any way they can just like everything else he says, so how does this change anything?

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