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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 19, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    Link: Record Minimum For Arctic Sea Ice, 2012 - It`s OK, Climate Change isn`t happening. Stick your fingers in your ears and it will go away. Promise.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:05 am
    Davy, you do realise that the earth goes through a substantial climate change every few hundred thousand years or so right, maybe even less.

    Going by fossil records and indeed decades, possibly hundreds of years of archaeological evidence, the earth is well overdue for another one.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:06 am
    I had thought that most of the deniers had changed their tune and now agree that it`s happening but still don`t believe people are causing it.

    V V case in point.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:07 am
    Guess what? If we shut off all the world`s power, did every last thing every greeny nutbag wanted us to do, lived in caves and huts, did next to nothing but simply survive as humans, the climate would still change.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:13 am
    Where`s Crakrjack?
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:14 am
    please be consequent and show the data when it`s january again and then compare it to january 50 years ago.
    Yes, stopping co2 emissions is important and should be done anyways, but climate changes naturally.
    Yes we have an impact on it but it`s not as big as people want you to believe.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:21 am
    Once again. I like warm weather.

    The beach is getting closer to my house. WIN!

    I can`t be bothered.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:33 am
    The comments here are just re-inforcing false science.
    We`re to blame.
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:45 am
    "Davy, you do realise that the earth goes through a substantial climate change every few hundred thousand years or so right, maybe even less. "

    Except for the fact that current climate is changing faster than it ever has in geologic history as far as we know - and no current natural mechanism can account for the current warming.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:46 am
    Climate change IS occurring. It`s just not man-induced like all the Libs want the world to believe. It`s an Earthly cycle. Being that we`ve only been keeping track of temperatures for such a small amount of time... I`m sure we can base everything off of that, right?

    The Earth is 4,540,000,000 years old. Global temperatures have been keep track of for about 162 years. That`s 3.56 trillionths of the time we`ve been keeping track of it. Not very reliable.

    Not to mention the fact that scientists believe that the temperatures were very hot during some geological time periods as well as ice ages and cooler times.

    It`s all cyclical, morons.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:49 am
    In before somebody uses the word consensus.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:54 am
    It`s all cyclical, morons.
    And where exactly did you get your advanced degree in climatology, Maurice`s Academy of Wig Design?
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 8:03 am
    So does that mean I can run my car to warm it up, never recycle, waste water, and do whatever the poo I want because it`ll have absolutely no effect on the environment? :o
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 8:10 am
    Last I checked, mankind is 7 billion counting and GROWING!
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 8:40 am
    Last I heard the antarctic ice was growing. I wonder how that growth compares to the shrinking of the arctic ice.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 8:40 am
    It`s summer at the North Pole and winter at the South Pole
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 8:41 am
    All these people who are so sure man isn`t to blame for climate change: do you spend your days collecting and analyzing climate data? Did you spend much of your twenties getting degrees in science? How are you so sure if all you`ve done is read a few rebuttals on the internet?
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    September 20, 2012 at 8:46 am
    Last I checked, mankind`s effluvium has tainted or corrupted nearly every corner of our natural world.

    <sarc>But we all know that the impact of 7 billion humans can`t possibly have any effect on our planet, right? Pumping nearly 40 BILLION TONS of extra greenhouse gases into the sky each year will have absolutely no repercussions, right? It`s not in any way possible that we could be accelerating or changing the "natural cycles" you all love to invoke, right? I mean, what could possibly go wrong if we ignore the obvious evidence of our impact?</sarc>
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 8:47 am
    When elected president to fight climate change I`ll hit every single one of Al Gores massive mansions with guided missles cutting carbon emissions massively!!!!

    Then we`ll retool NASA to put thrusters on earth to push it a bit away from the sun!!

    I built that in my head. I` McGovern and I support this message!
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 8:57 am
    Davy, you do realise that the earth goes through a substantial climate change every few hundred thousand years or so right, maybe even less.

    Yeah, got that. PhD Geologist here, I`ve spent my academic and professional career analysing earth`s history. What`s apparently unprecedented is the RATE of climate change we`re currently experiencing. It`s not on a timescale of hundreds of thousands of years, it`s on a scale of centuries, if not decades.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 8:58 am
    And yet, no mention of the fact that Antartic Sea Ice set the record with MOST AMOUNT OF ICE EVER RECORDED for the VERY SAME YEAR.

    Why is that?
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:00 am
    climate change has been well understood and accepted for decades. It`s global warming caused by humans that no one believes (and rightfully so)
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:10 am
    @MeGrendel repost!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:15 am
    @MeGrendel: Ok, I`ll explain it since you don`t know anything about climate science: The arctic is the end-point for air currents originating closer to the equator. This paper has a few useful figures concerning air currents, and here`s another image showing the sources of pollution to the arctic.



    As for Antarctica, there is the circumpolar ocean current, which is circumpolar due to there being no landmass connected to Antarctica. Thus warm ocean waters stay away from Antarctica, enabling that continent to maintain its huge ice sheet. Also, the arctic is an ocean, whereas Antarctica is a land mass, and most of the industrial pollution produced is in the northern hemisphere.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:17 am
    Climate Change deniers are a prime example of how opinion media manipulates and brainwashed people. Follow the money behind the deniers and it leads right to oil and coal. There isn`t any attempt to hide it. Here is an issue that affects us all. This is not a partisan issue but people have been brainwashed into believing it is. If it turns humans are not to blame there is not a problem. But if it turns out we are to blame then we`re kind of all screwed. Sure it will be fun to blame you assh*les for dragging your feet but that won`t save us from the heat. Hey, I guess this is a partisan issue.
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    Jesus_Wey Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:20 am
    It`s awesome. Maybe they`ll find a hidden village or some treasure in there somewhere so we can all finally rest easy in that Earth has been hotter before and it is not our fault the climate is changing quickly.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:28 am
    `It`s global warming caused by humans that no one believes (and rightfully so)`

    Nobody? 98% of climate scientists agree with AGW. If you can`t tell that 98% is a lot more than 0% (`nobody`), you have a real credibility problem.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:29 am
    I wish lefties would be alarmists about the debt and the coming financial collapse. CNN just ran a story about how QE 3 favors the rich for frock`s sake. What we`re going to end up with is an environmental and a economic crisis double-whamy because of people like most of you all here.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:40 am
    `the coming financial collapse`

    Wasn`t the entire point of the Occupy movement (mainly a leftist group) to highlight the corrupted financial system?
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:52 am
    @foolsprussia.....key phrase...."caused by humans."

    every planet in the solar system is experience global warming right now. Are people responsible for that too? LMAO
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:54 am
    @patchgrabber....the antartic has MORE ice than ussual. Those currents aren`t anything new. They`ve always been there. If there is more ice that means it was colder. *facepalm* idiots.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 10:02 am
    the antartic has MORE ice than ussual . Those currents aren`t anything new. They`ve always been there. If there is more ice that means it was colder.
    I love how your second sentence is at odds with your first sentence. Yes, those currents have been there, but they don`t stay the same each year. If you actually looked, there are a variety of explanations that account for the *minor* increase in antarctic ice, such as cooler air currents from the west, even the ozone hole affecting circulation of the atmosphere there creating a cooler stratosphere. Your armchair analysis of climate is quite basic. Don`t quit your day-job.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 10:16 am
    Hereare a few papers describing the increase in Antarctic *sea* ice. Land ice is still decreasing.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 10:34 am


    This is a cyclical pattern and nothing to worry about, besides the antarctic sea ice is growing and more than making up for the arctic loss.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 10:39 am
    @Crakr: I`m glad your exhaustive analysis led you to the conclusion you had from the beginning.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 10:44 am
    Here is a more recent study that suggests that the ozone depletion has nothing to do with the growth of the antarctic ice.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 10:59 am
    `every planet in the solar system is experience global warming right now. Are people responsible for that too? LMAO`

    Again, you obviously have no idea what you`re talking about. I`ve heard people say that Mars is warming. That`s never been corroborated.

    See this: Martian Global Warming?

    It seems you`re suggesting that increased solar activity is raising the temperature of the planets. Solar activity has actually been decreasing for the last quarter century or so.

    Which planet do you think is hotter, Venus or Mercury? By your theory, it would be Mercury, since it`s closer than Venus. However, you`d be wrong. Venus is hotter than Mercury, and it just happens to have a high concentration of CO2 in its atmposphere.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 11:02 am
    @skullgrin: Also, read this one: Are the planets warming up?
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 11:06 am
    98% of climate scientists agree...
    Of course--that`s how they make their living.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 11:07 am
    "Wasn`t the entire point of the Occupy movement (mainly a leftist group) to highlight the corrupted financial system?"


    Occupy was a mishmash of leftists, Socialists, Anarchists, and Libertarians....so your definition is wrong anyways. But they were mostly just lazy, entitled college dooshes. Oh that`s a fact. I live in Manhattan, I saw these people. Disgrace to humanity. Rape central.

    And if you talk to most of them, specifically the ones that are the Leftists you describe, they think Obama is making it better. They think there is enough of rich people`s money to balance the budget. Many don`t even think the debt is that big of a deal.

    The leftist faction of occupy supports the very policies that are going to cause the financial crisis. They are, largely, the problem itself. Corrupt bankers will not be the main cause of the coming financial collapse, it will be debt, entitlement, and laziness behind it all.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 11:38 am
    `Of course--that`s how they make their living.`

    Except for the 2% who work for oil companies and also make a living.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 11:41 am
    `Occupy was a mishmash of leftists, Socialists, Anarchists, and Libertarians....so your definition is wrong anyways`

    No, my definition is correct because I said "mainly leftist". I`m aware that there were a few libertarians.

    I`m also aware of the shortcomings of the movement. They failed because their anarchistic wing doesn`t understand that a movement needs leaders and a clear plan.

    Anyway, we`re getting way off topic here.
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 11:46 am
    The Earth goes through warming and cooling cycles on it`s own. The debate isn`t if the climate is changing, it`s if we`re responsable for it.
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    oh so now its climate change??? what ever happened to global warming from the pesky humans???

    this is what happens when people think there smart because they took pooty course in UNI..
    then get thousands in tax payers dollars thrown at them to come up with bullpoo.. what happens if they dont make up bullpoo? they don`t get that money next year... its a vicious cycle which is the #1 problem in government.. it should be torn down and rebuilt. FACT


    <-------- not worried
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    peakingo Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    I think all you jackasses are missing the point. It`s not about what argument is right or wrong, it`s about the fact that our polar caps are melting at a ridiculous rate and soon may be gone and more important than Al Gore or the Occupy Movement is how different the world will be for all us.
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    "It`s not about what argument is right or wrong"

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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    Nothing there about the record maximum for Antarctic sea ice, then?

    Ever noticed that every argument for CAGW is either a classic logical fallacy or just really bad science (except when it is actually scientific misconduct or fraud, which is worryingly often)?
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 5:23 pm
    peakingo

    "our polar caps are melting at a ridiculous rate"

    That is simply a lie. Antarctic ice is at a record high level.

    Arctic ice is melting right in line with trends and cycles that pre-date the industrial revolution, let alone significant human release of CO2.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 5:24 pm
    patchgrabber

    What does this have to do with pollution? You wrote a lovely post. But it is completely irrelevant.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 5:26 pm
    Andrew155

    No libertarians would have anything to do with OWS. Those people have no thought for freedom. They have no thought for anything but making other people pay for their idiotic decisions, their laziness or their greed.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 5:31 pm
    How did this thread go from climate change to Occupy Wall Street? ~scratches head~
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    `How did this thread go from climate change to Occupy Wall Street? ~scratches head~`

    Andrew155 thinks we should be more concerned about the "impending financial crisis". It`s partly my fault, because I responded to that. But I think he should be concerned about the massive economic problems that come with climate change.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 5:54 pm
    @FoolsPrussia: No problem at all, I was just wondering what the connection was (and was feeling a little too lazy to read back down the thread). Now I get it. Thanks!
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    Xprez Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    No one is saying climate change isn`t happening. Everyone believes it is, just not for the same reasons Al Gore says it is. The Earth is cyclic in nature and has been through several ice ages/warming periods. We were not around to blame all of the others on. Fear generates revenue. Learn some history on the Earth`s climate.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 20, 2012 at 9:50 pm
    If liberals thought they could control the world by touting global cooling, this would be the big story.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    vv Ah yes, OldOllie. I was wondering when he was going to chime in. Antarctic sea ice has indeed been increasing, while antarctic land-ice has been melting.

    Whatever. Climate Change has become a political football, and it`s sad to see. The scientific data is the scientific data, the observable reality.

    It`s not surprising that the very same people that deny that global warming being (at least in part) due to human effects are the very same people that deny there`s such a thing as Evolution in biological science. Namely (exclusively even) American right-wing conservatives.

    Whatever. By the time we collectively realise how big the problem is, it`ll be too late.

    p.s. F*ck Al Gore.
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    PoopNoodle Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2012 at 11:12 pm
    I guess it depends on who you believe on this. Here is a news report saying the exact opposite of this article.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 11:57 pm
    Al Gore owns a company that sells Carbon Credits. Do you guys know what those are?

    Seem legit.

    Anyway, Cycles gonna cycle. I`m loving this warm weather!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2012 at 11:58 pm
    Davy. I resemble that statement. I believe in evolution, AND I am a right-wing conservative.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 21, 2012 at 1:38 am
    It has nothing to do with leaving the bathroom light on too long or not separating your plastic milk bottles from your cardboard cartons. All the planets in our solar system are going through the same warming effect.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 21, 2012 at 1:45 am
    Namely (exclusively even) American right-wing conservatives.
    @davymid: You "deny" that there are fundamentalist BLACKS in America? Are you so sure that 100% of "creationists" are Republicans that you`d bet your life on it?
    I`D BET that 5 minutes of interweb searching (which AL GORE INVENTED btw! He said so while running for PotUS so it must be true!) will find tons of NON Republicans who are also nutjobs. I mean Creationsits.
    Bet me? Huh? Didn`t think so.
    So WHY do you reject Al Gore yet embrace AGW? The "hockey stick" is every bit as believable as the "magic bullet" (only 25% of Americans believe in that, fyi).
    It`s...a...LIE!

    Which planet do you think is hotter, Venus or Mercury?
    @Fools: You have NO IDEA how the guy who origionally said Venus was hotter than Mercury was ATTACKED by the "scientific concensus"! After all, 98% of scientist KNEW Venus is/was colder...

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