Overpopulation Is A Myth

Submitted by: Khash 5 years ago in

Stop blaming 3rd world countries with big population for problems in the world.
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Male 173
The video doesn´t include permanent pollution. The fact that more and more land is becomming uninhabitable due to pollution is happily ignored.

Also the biggest part of the increase in food production is due to artificially created fertilizers. The production requires vast natural resources that do run out eventually.

It´s not that simple...
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Male 12,138
[quote]That being said, who the poo cares about forests? They just stand in the way of farmland and strip malls, which are the engines of progress. And since global warming has been scientifically proven to be a myth, there`s really no harm there. Enjoy life instead of waking up all angry and bitter, loser.[/quote]
Wow. Just wow. Are you trolling, or do you really think that way? Forests just stand in the way of strip malls and farmland, the engines of progress?

Makes me sad. I thought Crackrjak was the most retarded person on this site. That makes me re-evaluate.

Sad thing is, there`s millions like you.
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Male 2,988
interesting stuff
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Male 2,855
yes, census has been lying to us, there are only about 1000 people on earth
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Male 1,059
Matt Prince, you ignorant slut.

You didn`t even bother to watch the very informative video, and thus, you`re seeing a causation where there is only a coincidental correlation. Look at the poverty rates for those areas and you`ll see an actual causation -- the poorer the area, the more environmental damage. And poverty will not be solved by reducing the numebr of people, poverty will be solved by increasing the amount of free market capitalism in those areas.

That being said, who the poo cares about forests? They just stand in the way of farmland and strip malls, which are the engines of progress. And since global warming has been scientifically proven to be a myth, there`s really no harm there. Enjoy life instead of waking up all angry and bitter, loser.
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Male 1,582
This video was interesting. The comment section is more interesting.
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Male 40,764
Water isn`t the problem, it`s "clean water" that is!
You cannot irrigate farmland with Seawater! Or drink it! So a shortage of clean, unpoluted water faces most of humanity unless we do something (like invent better purification, desalination or cut back on use and/or polution)

Deforestation, as @MattPrince points out, is a much bigger problem! Right now Europe and North America have sustainable forest use, but the rest of the world? When the trees are gone THAT`S IT! WTF are they going to do then?
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Male 2,220
You can`t get an infinite number of people consuming from a finite resource. At some point here has to be a limit. Do the math.

Yes, there might be more food and water out there than we can currently consume and its all down to infrastructure and rate of take up.. well duh. That`s still an overpopulation problem. X food available.. can feed Y mouths. Increasing X feeds more mouths. Decreasing Y makes more food available.

The state of Texas example is oversimplifed, it assumes everyone lives at the density of an average new yorker (that`s pretty dense eh?), and omits to take into account the farmland and water supply and assumes that every single scrap is urbanised and we all want to live cheek by jowl in a city.

America is blessed to have a small population for its landmass. It may not be apparent to an insular nation, but human growth, is f*cking the planet over.

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Male 3,445
@davymid: The 30% claim comes from the FAO.
Here`s the link
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Male 17,511
beternal: Yeah, it`s iconic. Chuckle every time I hear it.
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Male 2,586
Wilhelm scream! lol
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Male 17,511
davymid: According to the USDA, The USA is the top producer of beef in the world. Not much deforestation going on here in the USA or wildlife habitation loss either, at least not to make room for cattle ranches. The forestation that does take place in the US is replanted after harvesting for sustainability. Also the methane impact from cow farts has been overblown (sorry for the pun).

There are indeed some resources that are finite, mostly mineral resources. But the resources for cattle production are sustainable and have been since animal husbandry began.

If some countries do bad by their environment, then that`s their fault, not the cows fault.
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Female 7
Interesting video, but I don`t completely agree with their logic. Yes, fewer people without access to food doesn`t mean the remaining people magically get more food - but it does mean that the fewer people there are, the more food there is for each individual. The smaller the number something is divided by, the greater it is (for example 1lb of food divided amongst 10 people is 0.1lb, vs 1lb of food for two people is 0.5 lb). Also, they fail to take into account death rate. People are living longer and longer, which would skew the number of people alive in population projection estimates.
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Male 12,138
On other matters: Sorry Crakrjak, you don`t get off that lightly. Water`s recycled in the hydrosphere, sure, but there`s many side-effects to raising cattle so we can all eat steaks and burgers. Methane production, deforestation, habitat loss for local wildlife, etc. The water might magically reappear in your cup, but the forests don`t.

And on a higher level, just my take on it. To say overpopulation is a myth is bullwank. Sure, it`s a movable feast as technology improves, medicine improves, we find new natural resources etc. But it will happen someday.

We have finite natural resources, on this closed system of Spacehip Earth (no, not just food). To suggest that the population can keep growing indefinitely is fundamentally logically flawed. The crossover point keeps moving, but it does exist.

Davy out.
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Male 12,138
FoolsPrussia, not often I get to agree with Crakrjak, but some of those claims are suspect. I`d very much like to see a map showing how "livestock production [covers] 30 percent of all land surface on the planet".

Antarctica? The Amazon? Siberia? Northern Canada? I find that figure hard to believe, but will gladly concede I`m wrong with supporting evidence.
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Male 17,511
foolsprussia: [quote">Cattle, for starters, are energy hogs, with the standard ratio of energy input to beef output being 54:1. They`re also a land hog, with livestock production accounting for 70 percent of all agricultural lands and covering 30 percent of all land surface on the planet.[/quote">

Utter hogwash. I don`t know where he got his made-up numbers but that`s just ridiculously in error. I just spent several minutes searching the USDA Database and could find nothing that would back up those numbers you quoted.
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Male 4,242
let see Colorado is almost sq 300 x 300 miles
lets say 4 homes an acre that 230,400,000 homes
the ave Family of 10 would 2,304,000,000
ya we can all fit
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Male 17,511
FoolsPrussia: The water doesn`t disappear you know. There is such a law called conservation of matter, please look it up. After leaving the cow, the water evaporates and or filters through the ground or runs off into streams/rivers. Unless the cow turns it into milk, in which case humans drink and eat the products of that milking.

Part of that glass of water you drank today was likely cow piss at one point in time. Sorry to gross you out, but that`s just fact.
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Male 9,766
LillianDulci

I guess everything is relative. Perfectly reasonable. My bad.
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Male 3,445
Also, in Peter Diamandis` book "Abundance", there is this:

"Unfortunately, while meat might not be murder, it is certainly murdering the planet. Cattle, for starters, are energy hogs, with the standard ratio of energy input to beef output being 54:1. They`re also a land hog, with livestock production accounting for 70 percent of all agricultural lands and covering 30 percent of all land surface on the planet. Ranching produces more greenhouse gases that all the cars in the world, and is the leading cause of soil erosion and deforestation."

Peter Diamandis is the creator of the X-Prize, and not a vegan.
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Male 3,445
` I see you`ve bought into the eco-nut, PETA, vegan myth about meat, which meshes in with this overpopulation myth.`

Crakrjak won`t listen, but for those of you who care, it is not a myth at all.

1kg of beef requires approximately 15 thousand litres of water. It takes 1600 litres of water for a 1kg loaf of bread and 322 for 1kg of vegetables.

Source
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Male 273
Maybe this guy should get the proper definition of overpopulation first before making a dumb video.

The issue isn`t about the lack of food, it`s pollution, global warming, atmospheric carbon dioxide, deforestation... Increasing population + over-consumption is bad. And increasing food production has a lot of consequences, we`re already farming at least half of the cultivable land by the way.
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Male 222
This is so true! In my country we have a population of around 4.6 million and our population is shrinking. Even with immigration and some people popping out children like there`s no tomorrow, we don`t have enough young people to replace the generation that is dying off. I found it so hard to believe at first but the evidence is all around. Crazy.
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Male 2,578
Population growth can hurt a society definitely. China`s one child policy made them, per capita, richer.

For example, Egypt`s population has gone from 20 million to over 80 million since its independence. That`s bad, that`s too much growth...especially for a country that is practically all desert. With that much population growth, it`s significantly harder to increase your GDP per capita and your population continues to live in destitution. 3rd world countries could develop so much quicker if they just stopped having so many babies.
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Female 2,674
HG, I meant over a long period of time. For example, comparing 2012 to 1012, our population has grown because society in general has advanced and we can live longer and feed more people and such. I`m not talking about individual countries at the same point in time. Basically, the population of the world, not specific spots in the world.
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Male 9,766
LillianDuci

"An advanced society means more chance to survive and people have longer lives which means more children and a higher chance of those children surviving."

Advanced societies have less population growth. Almost all population growth currently is happening in third world countries. Advanced societies have access to condoms and birth control. Plus they don`t listen to churches telling them not to use condoms.

http://tinyurl.com/ct3oc4

Europe is at negative population growth. North America is at 11% and that includes Central America. United states growth over the last decade is less that 8%. Meanwhile Africa is over 25%.
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Female 2,674
This guy basically says that societies grow and advance because people have more children and the population grows, when it`s much more likely that it`s the opposite. People have more children and population grows because society advances. An advanced society means more chance to survive and people have longer lives which means more children and a higher chance of those children surviving.
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Male 17,511
FoolsPrussia: I see you`ve bought into the eco-nut, PETA, vegan myth about meat, which meshes in with this overpopulation myth. It`s the same thing with the same goals, elitists telling the peasants how to live.

Please don`t buy into it, it`s hogwash and always has been.
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Male 714
Some of these `facts` seem very dubious. for example early man was nomadic and lived on the warm african plains. Farming only came about as humans developed rituals and attachments to certain area, forcing them to adapt. some scholars have taken the book of genesis to be a story about how early man had a care free life among all the animals (garden of eden) then having to move onto a life of toil and hard work (banishment from eden).
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Male 13,630
Scourge of the Earth be humans, raping and pillaging it as fast as we can, time for ET to arrive and cull a few of us
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Male 3,445
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Crakrjak (somewhat). The population explosion isn`t the real problem. Humanity, like any animal species, adapts to its environment. It would be a problem if we continued using the same technologies and processes.

I`m sure where Crakrjak and I disagree is on the implementation of these changes. For instance, there IS a water crisis. The water crisis will require new technologies to create clean water for poor areas, like the Slingshot (look it up) and it will also require us to be more dependent on plant foods than on animal products. The beef you eat is not sustainable, in that it requires massive amounts of land and water resources to feed the animal, plus the land and water resources to grow the crops that feed the cattle.

The point is that all it takes to deal with a rising population is human ingenuity.
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Male 176
So we shouldn`t listen to the overpopulation camp`s selective "facts", but we should listen to this crowd`s just-as-selective "facts" instead? Yeah, because that makes sense.
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Male 17,511
Apparently some people can`t handle the truth.

I too was spoon fed the liberal overpopulation myth as a schoolchild. Thankfully, I got some real education in college and learned that the overpopulation myth was a method of convincing the uneducated to have fewer children.

That`s pretty much backdoor eugenics going on and eugenics is elitist and evil.
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Male 334
hehe. sharing is the problem oldollie? not claiming for yourself that what could be shared?
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Male 3,648
I never blamed 3rd world countries, they do what they need to do.

I always blamed 1st world countries, in particular, China, the US, and India
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Male 40,764
I don`t care! The humanity would be better off if we had half as many humans running around...

Time to cull the herd!
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Male 2,694
???
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Male 319
What a steaming load.
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Male 500
wow just wow
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Male 15,832
I`ve never blamed 3rd-world population levels for problems that are obviously caused by socialism.
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Female 2,549
Oh Christians worried about declining number of souls to save.
They want to all live Texas keep Africans working in the fields and women barefoot & pregnant.
Sneaky fcukers
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Male 17
Link: Overpopulation Is A Myth [Rate Link] - Stop blaming 3rd world countries with big population for problems in the world.
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