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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    Link: Mitt Romney`s Cousin Was Kidnapped By Drug Cartel - So what does Mitt`s family think about his strict drug & immigration policy? Another sweet Vice Mag investigation.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2012 at 2:54 pm
    We really need to end the drug war and free up our prisons of non-violent offenders.

    Also, such strange names for brothers Kelly and Meredith Romney.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    What, and "Mitt Romney" doesn`t sound like something straight out of Star Wars?

    Maybe weird names are a mormon thing.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm
    Firstly - What about Obama????? He`s been harder on drugs than Bush. So don`t go after just one guy, if this is your position.

    Secondly - what does this have to do with immigration? You know, you can still end the drug war and keep the integrity of your borders AT THE SAME TIME. Amazing. I know.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    Fast & Furious was another of Obama`s screw ups. Using Eric Holder and the DOJ to let guns walk and use that as an excuse to enact more gun laws.

    Some of Obama`s family members have had problems too, as do most people`s families.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2012 at 4:12 pm
    @Andrew155 yeah Obama and Romney aren`t much different. And I don`t support either candidate. I think Obama will be more likely to start the drug-war reform than Romney though.
    Obama`s a hypocrite too, admitting to smoking pot, yet upholds this nasty drug war.
    I don`t do drugs, but I can see the damage prohibition has caused.
    I`ve also visited Amsterdam; I felt safe, and it was a beautiful family-friendly city - for what that`s worth.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    Mitt is definitely off the mark when it comes to the whole drug thing especially the weed. Keeping it underground just drives up the price/profits/danger and makes it easier for kids to get their hands on it not harder. When I was 17 I could score an 1/8th no problem but would have been laughed out of the beer store.

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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    Prohibition is a criminal monopoly.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2012 at 10:07 pm
    "So what does Mitt`s family think about his strict drug & immigration policy?"

    Well his immigration policy would keep the cartels out of this country, so I`d say they approve.

    Mexico can deal with their own poo.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2012 at 10:18 pm
    "He`s been harder on drugs than Bush."

    The FDA only raids dispensaries that are breaking the local laws. There are strict non-profit rules on dispensaries. That is usually the rule that is broken. And it is the counties that usually call the Feds.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2012 at 10:20 pm
    A goody-two-shoes-nerd is not going to do anything to legalize drugs. If anything Mitt will make things worse if elected.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 25, 2012 at 10:31 pm
    Mitt is definitely off the mark when it comes to the whole drug thing especially the weed.
    The fact is, Obama and Romney are BOTH off the mark since they BOTH support unconstitutional prohibition laws. You`re going to get the exact same policy either way. Therefore, if you base you`re vote on this issue, you`re an idiot.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2012 at 10:57 pm
    They are both relatively the same on this issue. The thing is..you would totally expect Obama to be warm to ending the drug war knowing what we know. However, this hasn`t been the case.


    I know this is the conspiracy theorist in me, but the drug war probably isn`t all that it seems anyways. Afghanistan is where most of the world`s heroin supply comes from, we control it, yet it is absolutely flourishing under us. Did you know that under the Taliban, they were rather disinterested in it? I struggle to explain this, honestly.

    I can only think of one reason that the drug war is being continued, and that is that some people are benefiting from it, people who are in charge of it all. Nobody in power could possibly think that it`s working. People benefited from alcohol prohibition, people benefit from this one.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2012 at 11:25 pm
    Andrew155: We don`t control the poppy growing regions in Afghanistan, Tribal warlords do. They extort the farmers into growing poppies for them by kidnapping and intimidation. We`ve sprayed defoliant on the poppy fields, from planes, but then the warlords take it out on the farmers when the crops fail.

    It`s a horrible situation and unless we would be willing to chase down everyone of those warlords, across all borders, and compensate every farmer then the heroin problem in Afghanistan will never be solved.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:02 am
    @markust123 If they`re breaking local laws, then why don`t the local police handle it?
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:10 am
    Interesting article on Obama`s "talk" of scaling back the drug war:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/02/obama-drug-war_n_1643483.html
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 3:49 am
    "If they`re breaking local laws, then why don`t the local police handle it?"

    I have no idea. Here is an article from the California State Attorney`s office. This shows them working with the Feds to go after dispensaries that are breaking the local laws.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 4:46 am
    I`m betting all you people that believed Obama would legalize marijuana, and voted for him because of that belief, are rather disheartened by the fact he didn`t. Pretty hypocritical of him to have not only inhaled, but also snorted cocaine through college yet still tell school kids to not do drugs.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 7:09 am
    @crakr: Dubya "went skiing" in college too, so calling Obama a hypocrite means little, although you are correct that he is one. What the US gov`t doesn`t understand is the concept of a sunk cost. All the billions they`ve spent keeping the immoral, ineffective drug laws in place is gone and will never be justified to have been spent. Cut and run, that`s the only real solution.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 8:13 am
    Pretty hypocritical of him to have not only inhaled, but also snorted cocaine through college yet still tell school kids to not do drugs. ---------
    Could have said the same about Bush CJ.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 8:54 am
    The drug war is a joke and an abysmal failure. Pot needs to be legalized.

    However, to be devil`s advocate, I`d like to ask something else that I never hear discussed. Don`t people who buy illegal drugs that come from Mexico bear at least some responsibility for the resulting problems as well? After all, the market wouldn`t exist without buyers.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 9:02 am
    @FP: That`s more of a symptom. The market for pot was there long before it became illegal. Prohibition is the cause here. If it were never illegal then there never would have been a problem. Damn Anslinger.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 9:31 am
    @patch

    I totally agree that prohibition only causes problems in this instance. However, there are lots of industries that operate unethically, based on the idea that people desire the product enough. Conflict diamonds are an example. You don`t have to buy from conflict zones, but most people don`t care or don`t think enough about where they come from.

    Of course a lot of this would be solved if we`d just let people grow their own plants. And of course, it`s hard to expect most tokers to think about where their weed comes from, and the government can easily fix the problem by just legalizing it.

    Another example is Afghanistan, where the Taliban makes money from poppy crops. People who buy heroin and other illegal opiates can indirectly contribute to the death of American soldiers.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 9:47 am
    madest: Still stuck on Bush aren`t ya?

    At least Romney won`t be a hypocrite on the drug war.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 10:26 am
    At least Romney won`t be a hypocrite on the drug war.
    Because he`s never flip-flopped on anything before. But in this instance I`m inclined to agree with you.

    @FP: I see your point, although the idea that you can stamp out drug use is one of the biggest ideological failures of prohibition. You can *never* stop people from wanting to use drugs. Alcohol prohibition proved it, drug prohibition continues to prove it. A better question would be why does the government manufacture a system whereby people who weren`t supporting drug cartels are now supporting them? At least I know mine isn`t grown in Mexico. BC bud FTW!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 10:35 am
    @patch: Total agreement.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 11:14 am
    @markust123: The FDA only raids dispensaries that are breaking the local laws.
    It is the DEA (or FDEA) and FBI conducting these (drug-related) raids, not the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). I have yet to hear of a case where the FDA conducted the actual raid, and if they have, the quantity pales in comparison to the number of raids conducted by the DEA.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 11:15 am
    "At least Romney won`t be a hypocrite on the drug war."

    I agree, but he is such a square I believe he would make the situation worse. I also think we will see a completely different view from Obama in his second term. I think he will push for legalizing marijuana. It is the only sensible thing to do if you want to knock the legs out from under the Mexican drug cartels.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 11:25 am
    "It is the DEA (or FDEA) and FBI conducting these (drug-related) raids, not the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)."

    That was such a stupid mistake. I did mean DEA.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 11:43 am
    Obama`s not going to legalize marijuana. I wish he would, but he would alienate too many ignorant Americans. Maybe in his last term he won`t care as much and do the right thing. I hope so. (yeah, I assume he`s going to win)

    And I never understood the whole "medical" marijuana. Who cares if it`s recreational or medicinal? Legalize it. It`s like buying medical beer or medical vodka. We all know why people are using it. But it`s their choice to make.

    And enough with the "Bush did too" argument, yeah, they both sucked. It`s such an immature argument.
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    JoexBro Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2012 at 11:48 am
    I vote for a motion to completely legalize marijuana while increasing the penalties on hard drugs. Besides the FDA approves drugs all the time just because some guy in a white lab coat made it. Meanwhile half those drugs that are supposed to help carry the worst side effects, including death.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    "Obama`s not going to legalize marijuana. I wish he would, but he would alienate too many ignorant Americans. Maybe in his last term he won`t care as much and do the right thing. I hope so."

    When the looming specter of the election is gone (when Obama wins this election) we will see a couple wonderful stance changes in him. That is why I think everyone in congress should have term limits.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    `When the looming specter of the election is gone (when he wins this election) we will see a couple wonderful stance changes in Obama`

    I hope this is true. There have been rumors that he plans to do something about the drug war. The problem is that he`ll most likely still have to work with a Republican-controlled House.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    markust: Nothing other than the will of the Mexican people will `knock the legs out from under` the drug cartels. Legalizing weed won`t stop the other drug trafficking going on, nor will it stop the human smuggling going on.

    But the main problem is the black market demand, if people would quit doing drugs here and get sober there wouldn`t be any profit in it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 2:24 pm
    markust: when Obama wins this election we will see a couple wonderful stance changes in him.

    What you see is what you get, he`s not changing anything, he had his opportunity to do so already and blew it all on passing Obamacare and raising our debt to $16 trillion.

    All he`s going to do after the election is play more golf, whether or not he`s elected.

    At least Romney won`t give you false hope and you know where he stands.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 6:20 pm
    "At least Romney won`t give you false hope and you know where he stands."

    On one issue that I know of. Everything else I hear he is all over the place depending on the time and the audience. How many times does a campaign need to reboot?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    "Nothing other than the will of the Mexican people will `knock the legs out from under` the drug cartels. Legalizing weed won`t stop the other drug trafficking going on, nor will it stop the human smuggling going on."

    We`ll have to agree to disagree. I think taking away millions if not billions of dollars of money from them would definitely knock the drug kingpins down a notch or two. Legalize cocaine also and they are almost done. Yes cocaine is a horrible drug but people know that. I don`t really think anyone who is not doing it now would do it after it was legal. Pot on the other hand would have a brief upswing but things would settle down.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2012 at 3:00 am
    Bloke cant even spell America, and questions why jets don`t have opening windows??? I despair

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