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  1. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:53 am
    Link: Madman Attacks Store Clerk & Customers - Sometimes you need self defense.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 6:59 am
    The Romans taught to stab with the gladius, not slash. This is why.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Here`s the story behind this. Happened in Turkey. The attacker was another merchant who had just moved into the area 2 weeks earlier. The 1st customer`s throat was cut. He took his shirt off, wrapped it around his neck, and drove himself to the hospital where he was told he was so fat the knife didn`t penetrate to the jugular. McDonalds saves another life!

    The store owner & other customer both suffered loss of blood but survived.

    The attacker died at hospital, no one knows why the guy went bat poo crazy.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 7:27 am
    Thanks for the explanation on this, Gerry. I was really wondering what happened to the guy whose throat was slashed.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 7:33 am
    @Draculya: Who are you, Sir Dragon Slayer? Your comments are often hilarious and/or exceedingly smart and/or outrageous. Keep `em coming.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 7:41 am
    Gerry: I`m guessing the competition for customers in Turkey really is `cut throat`.

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2012 at 7:50 am

    I thought this would be a pro-gun thread, but obviously we`re going
    for the comedic value in the situation instead.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2012 at 10:14 am
    What about the rights of the attacker? The clerk should have called police, they`d arrive in 5-6 minutes. Until then he should politely allow himself and his customers to be hacked to death.
    Gun laws make us safe!

    Turkey? Wow, crazy poo happens all over the world, eh?
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    Enjin Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2012 at 10:28 am
    That was pretty exciting and had a happy ending but that doesn`t look a dratn thing like John Hamm.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 8, 2012 at 10:31 am
    An American would not have shot him...just once.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 10:33 am
    With all due respect, most Turks I`ve met are violent thugs. Germany could tell you stories...

    Now explain to me again why do the politicians want them so desperately in the EU?
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 10:36 am
    @Gerry: well, let me start it off then. Yes, there are moments where having a gun in the hand of the right person is a very good thing. This being a shining example.
    But the main issue isn`t if it`s ever good to have a gun, but if it`s better for society if guns are in everyone`s hands.
    The answer is of course a resounding no. Guns are used for far more bad things than good. Murders, robberies, random mass shootings, etc. While they are good in some instances, they are bad in most instances.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2012 at 10:51 am
    First guy. Did he died?!
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2012 at 10:53 am
    @Kain1 -- Yes, guns are used for evil; but how many evil-doers would think twice if they knew their fate would be the outcome in this video?
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 11:11 am
    @elkingo: Well, take the USA for example.. Not a lot of gun restrictions. A robber, or crazed attacker might very well have the same fate as this guy.. Yet, the USA has some of the highest crime rates in the world. It doesn`t seem like much of a deterrent, at least if you go by the facts.. It might have something to do with the fact that most robbers have guns themselves.. And if someone is having a psycotic breakdown, like this guy probably did, they`re not going to think once, let alone twice. And giving them access to a gun certainly won`t improve the situation..
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2012 at 11:20 am
    "Yet, the USA has some of the highest crime rates in the world."

    Nope. Per Capita, it`s pretty well average.
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    lizbian_2 Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 11:31 am
    Even if the US does have some of the highest crime rate(not sure I believe that), people will commit crimes with whatever is available to them. The US has much less deaths that occur from knife point than does England. I believe that even if we outlawed guns in the US, the crazies would still find something to use and probably still be able to buy guns. Outlawing them doesn`t make them go away! At least having them be legal makes it so some non-crazy might be able to fight back. Plus, shooting is a fun hobby.
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    lizbian_2 Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 11:33 am
    @auburnjunky Thanks for finding those facts. I knew that couldn`t be true.
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    lsdmoe Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 11:44 am
    @auburnjunky Did he died?

    *die?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    We also have gun restrictions, but the thing is.. criminals don`t follow the law and buy guns legally.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    I forgot a word there, sorry for the confusion.. The word was: Idustrialized.

    @AuburnJunky: USA is not featured on that list for some reason unknown to me. USA has a far higher murder rate than Turkey (top of the list), at least according to the Wikipedia page you also linked to..
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    Jeebus that was whacked
    Damn guy walked into that shop like a zombie
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2012 at 1:06 pm
    @Kain The second link AJ posted is ridiculously outdated. Turkey has a far greater population and fewer murders now than they did in 2006. Turkey 31 per million, US 41 per million. Or thereabouts.
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    MadMan66 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    Misleading title, I didn`t do this. However, this is why I pack heat any time I leave the house. It`s a crazy world out there
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    MadMan66 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    I don`t understand the debate about gun laws. Laws are only for law-abiding citizens. It`s against the law to murder, yet people still murder. So if they are not willing to obey that law, what makes you think they`ll obey the law against owning a gun? I think it`s fairly obvious to see that just because something is illegal doesn`t mean you can`t get your hands on it.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    BAN KNIVES IMMEDIATELY.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I am surprised that this finally got posted.
    I wonder what kind of ammo that guy was using. The pop bottles around the mad man blew up when he shot. I know some revolvers can accept a .410 shot shell, but this was no revolver.

    Maybe whodat or someone else knows? Pretty damn effective whatever it was.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    This is why everybody should carry a gun.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    @AuburnJunkie: I think you`re confusing: "it`s not on this set of data" with "it`s so low it doesn`t appear there".

    If you go to the crime stat-sheet of the US, the "Murder with Firearms" section lists the US as No. 1 out of 36.

    Here`s a Gun violence rate per 100k people chart where it shows the US is only 8th, just barely below other countries... you know, those plagued with wars of some kind.
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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    @turdburglar
    Probably some kind of solid slug. i dint see if it hit him. Hollow points usually dont go on after it hit him. But he did fire two shots if im not misstaken. sooo, maybe some hollow point.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    Yes @jendrian, but the point @AJ is making is: guns don`t CAUSE murder! Even places where guns are scarce/illegal still have "murders".

    #1: It`s also impossible to track how many lives are SAVED by firearms. In this video I`d say 2! The first guy fled the store before the shot, eh?

    #2: MANY `gun murders` are violent criminals killing other violent criminals, how are "more laws" going to stop that?
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    well duh, I`m not against guns, they obviously saved that guy in the store. But I`m not against gun laws either, you shouldn`t sell guns like candy.

    Better regulation, not banning, is a good answer, although maybe not a complete one.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    @Dead mind - there was only 1 muzzle flash, so only 1 shot fired. Obviously the mad man was hit, but also there are a couple of the 2 liters that where hit. It looks to me like there where multiple projectiles from the one shot, like a shotgun.
    I`ve seen revolvers that can be loaded with .410 shells, also I`ve seen bird or snake shot rounds that can be fired from an automatic pistol, but those are little teeny tiny pellets.
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    HolyDiabl0 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 6:32 pm
    The problem with guns are, not everyone is going to use it to defend themselves. If everyone is allowed to carry a gun, that would include the attackers like these. It took him 15-20 sec to shoot the attacker after the initial knife attack. Imagine if the attacker didn`t have a knife but an actual gun that he probably purchased for self-defense. All three of the victims that were attacked would be fatally wounded or dead. The only reason this guy didn`t have a gun but a knife is because guns aren`t as popular as most gun supporters want it to be. If it were a known fact that every store owner possessed a gun. Then his madness would be carried out with a bit more strategic planning. Guns are just too deadly and scary. I think something like tasers or tranquilizer guns can be pretty effective against knives and we wouldn`t have to worry about the attackers using those because they are not lethal, compared to a gun anyways.
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    DFWBrysco Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 6:44 pm
    Personally, I agree with Jendrian`s last post - we don`t need to ban guns, but simply overhaul the regulation and requirements of gun ownership.

    The Federal Government needs to step in and go further than they do in ownership requirements and take the power away from the individual states so that there is a standardized list of requirements for ownership.

    Before Auburn, Cajun or 5Cats get thier panties in a wad, I am simply talking about doing things that any responsible gun owner does anyway, such as gun safety classes, more comprehensive background checks that include mental and/or credit check information as well as required comprehensive educational refresher courses on a consistent, normal schedule.

    I don`t see how anything like that could infringe on America`s "god given rights" <hack> and could only promote safety and well-being of all.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 6:56 pm
    Oh man that first guy that had his throat slit.... nightmares....
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    jendrian, though I get what you`re saying, though I don`t agree, your links are not a valid standing point.

    Pointing out that our firearms death is higher than other countries is like comparing alcohol related deaths to dry countries.

    We have a right to bear arms, thus we have more guns, thus we have more gun deaths.
    Just like alcohol is legal, thus we have alcohol, thus we have more alcohol deaths, when compared to Saudi Arabia.

    Either compare all homicides, or compare the US to a similar sized country that has guns.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 7:09 pm
    I understand that having more guns has more consequences, however I also believe a happy medium of gun ownership and gun mishaps can be accomplished.
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    Agent0024blo Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    turdburglar- At least two shots can clearly be seen.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    @ Kain1 - I of course disagree with your resounding "no" about having guns in peoples hands. Yes, some guns will be misused & there will be gun accidents. Just as kitchen knives are misused and accidents happen. Do we ban knives?

    But I do believe part of the high crime rate is that criminals know we are defenseless. Even if we have a gun, in most situations you arent` allowed to use it. If anyone commiting a crime knew they could die by the person they`re robbing, I think crime would drop.

    Also, remmember these wise words "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". That means, in part, that the only guarantee against a tyranical government is a well armed population. Of course, it means much more than just that, but the way things are going I think that is an important thing to remember.
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    Xpekt Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    Holy hell, that first guy is super lucky the dude that came in didn`t slice any deeper. What the hell did I just watch? That`s messed up, out of nowhere!
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    @Squrlz4Sale just doing my bit to entertain and/or annoy. The same comment will elicit either or both reactions and sometimes it`s hard to predict who will have which.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    "Here`s the intentional homicide rate.

    Murders per capita. USA not even on there.`

    That`s a list of developed nations.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Agent0024blo - I see one muzzle flash. It`s hard to tell if there was a second shot though. My question was about the first round he fired though. That is the shot that caused all the damage. So, do you have an answer...no? Just wanted to feel smart by pointing something out?
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 11:20 pm
    @DuckBoy87: It is outstanding that you believe you can only legally own guns in the US.

    Also, how come my statistics are not valid? They`re from the exact same site you were so happily thanking AuburnJunkie for posting. Are you seriously suggesting that only the stats that support your cause are valid from the exact same source?
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 12:29 am
    @Duckboy: Two things.

    1. "per capita"
    2. Ever heard of Switzerland? Most adult men are reservists and have an assault rifle. Handed out by the government. Now go and take a look at their crime statistics, especially gun related.

    It is indeed different when committing a violent crime with a gun poses little threat and when there is a possibility that any window nearby might mean your head getting blown off by the militia.

    Also, @holydiablo: There would have been at least one casualty probably - the guy with the slashed throat. The gunshot would alert the rest of the folks in the shop and give them precious moments to duck and prepare. If all of these men were packing, the perp would not even get far enough to injure the store owner.

    Also, periodical mental exams, background checks etc. etc. might not eliminate the threat, but at least curb it down.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 4:47 am
    @Draculya: "that`s a list of developed nations". Yes, it is. But since USA has a much higher murder rate than Turkey (top of that list), USA not being on there is not from lack of accomplishment.

    @Gerry: Knives and guns don`t compare. It`s much much harder to kill someone with a knife than people think. Also, knives have important practical applications other than killing people/self defence. Guns don`t.. Thirdly, mass killings are nearly impossible to pull of without a gun.. How would the Aurora guy have pulled that off with a knife ?

    "If anyone commiting a crime knew they could die by the person they`re robbing, I think crime would drop."
    It hasn`t worked so far. Nearly anyone in America can legally get a hold of a gun. This has been the case since the country was founded. Criminals have always been potentially risking their lives. When is the "deterrence" going to kick in?

    2nd amendment hasn`t been relevant since the 1770`
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 5:46 am
    [quote">Thirdly, mass killings are nearly impossible to pull of without a gun.[/quote">

    Ancient Romans engage in mass murder at Carthage
    Mongols cause widespread destruction

    Both of these take place LONG before the advent of the rifle.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 5:50 am
    [quote">It hasn`t worked so far. Nearly anyone in America can legally get a hold of a gun. This has been the case since the country was founded. Criminals have always been potentially risking their lives. When is the "deterrence" going to kick in?[/quote">

    I beg to differ
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 6:40 am
    @Cajun247: Wow.. Did you intentionally distort what i said, or did you just not read the whole thing?.. Since i gave the recent Aurora shooting as an example in the very next sentence, i think it`s quite clear that that was not what i meant. I was talking about a single crazy person or small group going in to a school or post office or something like that and killing several people, not marching armies armed with swords..

    That article cites 200 cases in the form of news articles, across America between 2003 and 2011. And from that small pile of anecdotal evidence, it concludes: "The estimates of defensive gun use range between the tens of thousands to as high as two million each year."

    Riiiiight.. If you want to make the case that Gun owners prevent tens of thousands of crimes a year, you`re going to need more comprehensive data than that..

    Also, isn`t the Cato Institute notoriously biased?
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2012 at 6:59 am
    D`Awwww Kain1 thinks his opinion matters in America.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2012 at 7:00 am
    It`s funny. If the attacker had been black, half the posters here would have been pointing out that fact. But when the attacker is white, their race is insignificant.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 7:05 am
    @ insane_ai: I`m just trying to show you the wonders of rational thought. Judging by the political discourse in "the greatest effing country in the world, yeeehaaaw!", it`s something you are in desperate need of..
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    den3jlb Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 8:17 am
    Far more people have died from guns than guns have saved in situations like this.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2012 at 8:54 am
    "D`Awwww Kain1 thinks his opinion matters in America."

    People of America, _listen_ to us. We`re not just down on you and your culture because of some kind of "country X is the best ra ra ra, no country y is the best ra ra ra" mindless idealism. No, the point is we`re trying to get through to you, wake you up and have you snap out of it. Your country is great, but American culture, patriotic nationalism, politics, foreign policy, religiousness and environmental performance are all deeply f*cked.

    PLEASE suspend your defensive dismissal and take this in. It`s why so many people in this world are determined to do you in, and why so many others think you have it coming.

    This is your war on terror. It`s not about drone strikes and SEAL teams, it`s about toning it down and rejoining the human race.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 8:59 am
    @RobSwindol: what if the attacker is turkish? And the victim? And the whole thing took place in Turkey?
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 9:00 am
    that was pretty cool Draculya, you get a +1 from me
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2012 at 9:43 am
    RobSwindol: This happened in Turkey, the attacker was Turkish. Your black/white rant is insignificant.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2012 at 9:45 am
    Draculya: Sorry, but we reject the rest of the worlds march toward ever increasing socialism. If that offends you, tough cookies.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 10:06 am
    @CrakrJak: I`m sure a lot of countries in the middle East feel just as good about rejecting the ideals of "western culture"
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 11:30 am
    @ CrakrJak: You`re completely missing the point.

    It`s not about ideologies. America was once the greatest country in the world. You defended the world against fascism and communism (well, most of it anyway.) You created most of the world`s greatest scientists, sent men to the moon, etc etc.. But now the entire country is going down the drain, and the only thing being done about it is crowds mindlessly chanting "USA, USA, USA".

    It worries me and many others like me, that you are too busy claiming superiority to even listen, when problems are being pointed out to you. Your giant foam #1-finger isn`t going to solve the problems in your society. It worries me, that if you don`t wake up, and try to fix the problems with your country instead of ignoring them, USA will collapse.. and the whole western world will collapse along with you..
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 11:38 am
    @CrakrJak: That would actually be a far quicker route to socialism, or even facism, if we take Greece as an example..
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm
    @Kain1 & @jendrian
    Please try to ignore the ignorant rambles of the clown known as CrakrJak. He does not represent the united states or anyone else who is educated and informed for that matter. He represents the status quo the establishment of this country has worked so hard for. he is blissful in his ignorance and doesn`t understand the world outside of FOX news. He is the fly of society and shouldn`t be reasoned with, rather squashed with a newspaper. the good news is that, much like a fly, he is simply and annoyance and can do no real harm. but when the proverbial sh*t hits the fan, he will be the fist dragged into the streets to pay for his sins.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    city..... typical liberal response to someone that you disagree with.
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    and for the gun laws discussion... you only need to know 2 things.

    #1. guns are not to protect me from crazy citizens, they are to protect me from tyrannical governments. and at this point, americans need guns more than ever.

    #2. criminals don`t follow gun laws. the only thing regulations and restrictions do is hurt honest, law abiding gun owners. criminals are in favor of gun laws for the same reason drug dealers are in favor of drug laws. when criminals support laws... it`s probably because whoever are making and supporting them are retards.
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    @0OutWest

    typical response from someone who doesnt know sh*t. i am far from liberal.

    let me guess... you a repub?
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    @cityncolour: really? So you believe gun and drug laws/restrictions only harm honest citizens? So from your point of view Walmart should be able to sell nuclear warheads, because you know, no restrictions.

    No, you should handle these things with the degree of danger we recognize from them, not more, not less. Guns, as well as drugs, are useful, it`s just that they are dangerous too and thus require some handling sensitivity.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    @Cityncolour & @OutWest: That`s exactly what i`m talking about !!.. Dammit, stop speaking in partisan soundbites and have a rational discussion !.. For Spaghetti`s sake !
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    tanksterele Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 2:03 pm
    rabelrabelrabel guns rabelrabel laws
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    "Thirdly, mass killings are nearly impossible to pull of without a gun.."
    @Kain1: ever hear of a little counrty called Rwanda? In 1994 , in just 100 days some 800,000 people were killed, the vast majority with knives or machetes.
    No, it`s both possible AND IT HAS BEEN DONE. ok?
    Y`all are from Europe, you were a lot closer to it than Canada, one would think you`d remember it...

    Then @Kain1 asks others to "be rational" oy vey! Teh irony!
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    @ 5Cats: Please read the entire comment before replying.. For your convenience, i will copy/paste the same reply i gave to Cajun247, who raised basically the same point:

    "Wow.. Did you intentionally distort what i said, or did you just not read the whole thing?.. Since i gave the recent Aurora shooting as an example in the very next sentence, i think it`s quite clear that that was not what i meant. I was talking about a single crazy person or small group going in to a school or post office or something like that and killing several people, not marching armies armed with swords.." (in this case it would be "organized death squads" instead of marching armies.. Still not relevant to this discussion at all though, so my point still stands)

    Y`all are from Europe, you were a lot closer to it than Canada, one would think you`d remember it...

    .... You`re kidding, right?.........
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    @jendrian

    wow. swinging for the fences with that logic, aren`t ya. but yeah... i totally believe walmart should sell nuclear warheads.

    now... are you gonna actually bring up a relevant counterpoint to my argument... or are you just gonna sh*t out some nonsensical bs like some sort of mongoloid?
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    SoCal Male 18-29
    650 posts
    September 9, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    old video...
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    @cityncolour: I will not continue a conversation with anyone who calls me a mongoloid, you discarded piece of hemorrhoidal asswipe.

    See? Two can play that game. But I shall not answer anything else you throw at me on this conversation. Learn how to have a civilized discourse, and then we`ll talk.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
    1360 posts
    September 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm
    I feel sorry for you.
    the lesser guns there are the better we live.
    Too many arms with people in the US that are so mentally unstable is a threat, like some on this forum.
    Peace. I just visited Canada and New York, I visited to empire state a day after the shoot out
    that took place there.A bullet is not the kind of souvenir you want to take back from NY.
    Canada was an amazing experience loved it... so was NY.
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 11:43 pm
    Kain 1 said: "Nearly anyone in America can legally get a hold of a gun."
    I agree that most people can legally carry a gun but if we ban guns in america, criminals will still be able to get guns no problem. What is the solution to allowing guns?
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    lifeavoidit Male 30-39
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    September 10, 2012 at 4:40 am
    Ok why did the store clerk send a message before calling 911.

    Store clerk "must let wife know i will home late tonite and i have ruined my new t-shirt"
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 5:16 am
    You know, pardon me for lack of modesty but I think you have it wrong, ALL of you.

    Four examples: USA, UK, Japan, Switzerland.

    Japan, UK: Guns banned or strictly limited.
    USA, Switzerland: fairly liberal gun laws, civilian reservist system in switzerland.

    UK: even with gun restrictions guns or fake guns are relatively fairly used in crime. Violent crime rates are very high, UK was the peak of the 2009 statistic.

    Japan: Handguns prohibited. Swords and hunting rifles strictly controlled. Violent crime rates and firearms related crimes low. Crimes with knives still a problem. Increase in crime rates mainly due to foreigners and domesticated foreigners.

    Switzerland: reservist system. Adult males trained with assault rifles, issued by government.
    Switzerland has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world. Violent crime rates virtually none.

    USA: don`t get me started.

    Continued:
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 5:19 am
    The point is, this is not about guns and gun regulations. This is about the society and culture!!! There is no universal recipe for gun laws as all must be tailored to fit the given culture. It`s just an image of how evolved the culture in question is.

    And that is also the reason why I intend to move to either Switzerland, Japan, Austria or Island.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36208 posts
    September 10, 2012 at 7:10 am

    @ Draculya, if American culture is so "f*cked" as you put it, why does
    everyone on the globe try to copy it? It`s language, style, dress
    movies and music?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    September 10, 2012 at 7:11 am
    guns are not to protect me from crazy citizens, they are to protect me from tyrannical governments.
    *eye roll* Because the US government is intent on enslaving you and taking everything you own, and the only thing standing in their way is your gun. If you`re going to defend gun ownership, at least do it rationally.

    @TheOrigin: +1 internets for you. Culture is the problem, no gun law is one-size-fits-all.
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    photomstr Male 50-59
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    September 10, 2012 at 8:18 am
    there are too many people - 7 billion, if they all had guns and used them . . . I would have enough air to breath . . . and enough food to eat . . .
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    September 10, 2012 at 8:47 am
    was that in the UK
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 9:11 am
    @gerry: I don`t know where you got that idea, but as far as I can see, it`s not true.. Might have been partly true up until the 80`s, early 90`s.. Nowadays most Europeans look at America with sympathy, and a little bit of fear.. Like a drug-addicted cousin, that`s a little bit insane...

    At least that`s my experience..
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 10, 2012 at 10:44 am

    "I don`t know where you got that idea, ..."
    ? Do businessmen in japan wear a suit & tie or traditional garments?
    Does the entire world listen to rock-n-roll or their cultural traditional music?
    Do you wear blue jeans or eat hamburgers?
    Do you know the top US film and tv stars? I can`t name any from france or germany {ecxept David Hasselhoff}
    Do you know the name of the US president? I haven`t a clue who`s in charge over in Japan.

    Yes the world does copy the US culture.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    @Gerry1of1: Wow. I usually agree with your points of view but now you went out of it. Do not confuse own ignorance with interest on the other side.

    With all due respect, the saying "dude, you just went full retard" quite fits this time.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    1. Do businessmen in japan wear a suit & tie or traditional garments? Yes they do, as well as the whole damn world. Although: 1. Japan does stick to own traditional clothing as well, many heads of businesses do so formally as well. The rest fullfills what they think is expected of them. And with all due respect, suit and tie is not an American invention.
    2. Does the entire world listen to rock-n-roll or their cultural traditional music? The world listens to thousands of music genres. Music itself is a mix of local and worldwide influences, intermixed, intertwined. Oh and rock and roll has roots in jazz, gospel and Afro blues. Now if we goo deeper... See where I am headed?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 10, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I see where you`re headed. The wrong way.

    Yes, rock and clothing HAS become a global phenomenon... American culture exported. The world copying or emulating that culture. Just `cause they translated the rock into chinese doesn`t mean they aren`t still emulating US culture.

    Everyone loves to hate on america while doing their damndest to copy us. And no one wants to admit they`re copying us. Tell you what, throw out your blue jeans in protest. Stop eating american foods. Listen to polka instead of rock.

    See where I`m headed ?
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    Do you wear blue jeans or eat hamburgers? No and no. Do you wear jeans only or also different fabrics? That stem from oh say China or Europe? Or Middle east? And Hamburgers? Dude, the origin of hamburgers are disputed, but a very similar dish called fasirka has been present in our and surrounding cultures for centuries. Do you not eat chinese for example? Mexican?

    Do you know the top US film and tv stars? I can`t name any from france or germany {ecxept David Hasselhoff} Yes. A pooload. Might be because I am European, but on the other hand I know a pooload of actors from all over the world. Your lack of perspective and narrow view do not mean your stars are the only ones on the planet. For example the late excellent Louis de Funes.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 10, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    You guys hate it when I`m right, don`tcha.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    Do you know the name of the US president? I haven`t a clue who`s in charge over in Japan. That is again your own ignorance. As I watch news from all over the world I know pretty damn well what goes around the globe and not just my country or Europe. The other fact being that you guys just force your way everywhere.

    Yes the world does copy the US culture.
    Oh of course, because your culture is the only original thing and has roots in itself, right?

    Ad your last post: some may emulate, yes. Some are choking on it whilst you force it down thier throats. Some stick to their own culture. Some may mix elements of several. But if you think that you are the only real deal with no outside influence whatsoever and that only you influence the world, then you should really pull your head out of your rear end.

    Oh and for the record if you`re gonna nitpick: I do not wear jeans because they suck. There`s a plethora of better fabrics to wear. And I do not eat McD nor hamb
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    continued: because I prefer healthy food. And local cuisine. And Japanese cuisine. And French, German, hell pretty much any other cuisine.

    With all due respect, get over yourself sir.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 10, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    Sorry Gerry, but Beau Brummell from Britain was the originator of the modern business suit and tie. So I guess that`s not exported from America but rather imported from GB.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 10, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Patch...sorry, but though Beau orignated the suit & tie, it was american industry, movies & culture that spread it world wide as appropriate business attire.

    US didn`t invent pizza, but it`s american style pizza that`s spread. It is the US influence that is copied.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    @ Gerry: Yes, the world has assimilated parts of american culture.. None of them recent though.. Thank the flying spaghetti monster..
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36208 posts
    September 10, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    "...you force it down thier throats.
    LOL that`s a good one.
    No one is making you pay for 501 blue jeans.
    No one forces Turkish kids to wear Star Wars t-shirts.
    We`re not lining people up at McDonalds at gunpoint.

    You may hate us for our attitudes, pride, and politics, but the world does copy US culture. Admit it and move on.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    September 10, 2012 at 2:03 pm
    @Gerry: All I`m seeing is products and you`re inferring culture from that. Would a widget(in this case say, being a part of a large manufacturing machine) originating in America and then used all over the world be considered American culture?

    This whole thread reminds me of this @ 1:20.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
    500 posts
    September 10, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    "US didn`t invent pizza, but it`s american style pizza that`s spread. It is the US influence that is copied."

    Oh right, that`s why the original Italian is so popular everywhere I go...of course. Because you spread it. Well guess what, there were Italian pizzerias in these parts before the influence from West came here. And your Pizza Hut has come here only recently with little to no popularity. Tell me again how you made cuisine popular there, where its roots are.

    With all due respect, how much of the world have you really seen? How many different countries have you visited personally? How many different cultures have you come in contact with?

    I am not saying that you had no influence in the world culturally, but those days are gone.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
    500 posts
    September 10, 2012 at 2:25 pm
    Ad forcing your culture, tell that to the countries you "brought democracy" to.

    Or take a look at what this debate has been essentially about. Review and reconsider what you wrote. It is basically what you have been doing all along.

    Now don`t get me wrong, I am not talking down your cultural heritage, history nor achievements. Nor your right to be proud of yourselves for what you really achieved. You just take way too much credit for stuff that you are by far not entitled to.

    A little bit of objectivity and modesty would do you no harm.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    (cont)

    As mentioned before, you`re confusing awareness with cultural preference and your own blissful ignorance. That`s what we mean with "your X is deeply f*cked", to try and get you to get a grip on reality.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
    2516 posts
    September 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    yeah Gerry, you`re dead wrong in the extent of the popularity of the US.

    These are the 10 most popular songs in Mexico right now, a country that lives and breathes US influence:

    MEXICO
    1.- "Después de tu adiós" - María José
    2.- "Party Rock Anthem" - LMFAO
    3.- "Peligro" - Reik
    4.- "Vestida de azúcar" - Gloria Trevi
    5.- "S&M" - Rihanna
    6.- "Un grito en la noche" - Alejandra Guzmán & Moderatto
    7.- "Judas" - Lady Gaga
    8.- "Labios rotos" - Zoe
    9.- "Esta noche" - Enrique Iglesias
    10.- "Hello" - Martin Solveig & Dragonette

    Recognize anyone? There`s Rihanna and Lady Gaga! Wow, 2/10 You must be proud. Do people in Mexico eat at McD? Sure, but put anyone in Mexico in front of pastor meat tacos and a burger and let`s see which one they pick.

    (cont)
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    and oh yeah, those are just the songs by ratings via label purchases, most of what you will ever hear in Mexico is that dreadful sh*t called "ranchera" music and "reggaeton".
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 10, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Y`all can deny all you want, you know it`s true and it`s a truth you hate to admit about yourselves. US culture has shaped your own countries. That doesn`t mean, and I never said, you gave up all of your culture, just that while the world hates us, you`re all doing you best to imitate us.

    @ jendrian, you forgot LMFAO - they`re americans. So 3 of the top 10 are US. How many mexicans are on the top 10 in the US ... oh, NONE. Point made.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 11:25 pm
    Ignorant even in the face of facts. I had a much higher opinion of you.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2012 at 1:04 am
    @Gerry1of1: By that logic your good ol` USA takes influence more than it exports it, as loads and loads of the Billboards are either Canadian or British.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 11, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Yes, the US does take on many influences. We`re a nation of immigrants.
    But to listen to the people here, you`d think the USA has had no impact whatsoever.
    The more things I pointed out that are American & now worldwide the more people denied US influence. Is it so shamefull? We used to be a really great country. Shame we`ve fallen from grace but I guess all nations do. But empires do leave their mark. The romans influenced the world. As did the british during their colonial time. Now the USA has, why all the anger at this suggestion?

    Oh, I get it. You hate the US so you`d have to hate yourself if you were anything like us. Well, that`s okay, I understand.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    @Gerry: No man, that`s what we were trying to say: the US has fallen from what it once represented. What we were exemplifying was the extent of the mark

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