Hooray! America Really Did It!

Submitted by: 5cats 5 years ago in

Happy $16,000,000,000,000.00 Debt Day America! Yes We Can!
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Male 40,752
And my question remains:

Honestly, did ANY of the MSM networks cover this? Even Fox? I honestly have no idea.

I`m betting... nope! It hurts Obama too much.
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Male 676
None of this is Obama`s fault. Just ask him or any liberal.
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Male 5,018
Thanks for the props davymid. Yes, every once in a while I do slip into a rant but for the most part I make a concentrated effort not to be partisan.
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Male 40,752
"Try solving the problems of THIS world" - Dead Fingers Talk (Sweet Love City)

Storm The Reality Studios - NSFW! They cuss a lot! But the message is clear: Some people want to DRAT you up! Some people? they just wanna DRAT!

It would be nice to have "real political choice" but that`s NOT the reality of 2012: y`all have to deal with what you have in front of you.

Every political system has it`s good and bad points, there is no "easy solution"...
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Male 14,331
[quote]Look at the what`s better for the entire country, rather than trying to win a vote. Or an internal pissing-match, same thing.[/quote]

LOL Europeans and Canuckastanians should take at look at their own governments sometimes. You just described the political process.
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Male 17,511
markust: Obama never had any intention of working with republicans, he completely ignored all republican pleas until after the 2010 election sent republicans into control of the house of representatives. He didn`t even have Speaker Boehner`s phone number.

So believe that lie if you want, the rest of us know better.
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Male 275
Amen Davymid
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Male 15,832
If people only understood true his intentions, they`d be GLAD he`s a total incompetent.
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Male 12,138
My take on it? As long as America is as partisan as it is, it`s going to go under. Which would be sad. Look at the what`s better for the entire country, rather than trying to win a vote. Or an internal pissing-match, same thing.

/end soapbox.
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Male 12,138
To take one example, the China boat has every one of its oarsmen pulling in the same direction, while we in the west are more interested in who`s fault it was. Are you looking forward or looking back.

I`m entirely with Markust on this. He`s been advocating thinking for yourself since day one, and has tried to distance himself from Partisan politics (even though every now and again, he slips into a rant, right buddy?). But Markust has a good message, which I agree with. F*ck this partisan bullcum.

Look, once you put yourself in a place where "I`m a Conservative, therefore every Liberal is fundamenatly wrong before I even hear what he/she had to say", or vice versa (just swap the words Conservative and Liberal), then you`re going to get nowhere.
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Male 12,138
[quote]"Whats done is done. Blame it on Bush! Blame it on Obama! It`s happened. HOW-CAN-WE-FIX-IT?"

The only way to fix it is to get out of the mentality that only one side has all the answers. We`re going to dig deeper and deeper into the hole until the two sides in the House and the Senate are forced to work together for the common good.[/quote]
Never a truer word spoken, Markust. Once Americans get over this pissing-match, orchestrated by the media, of pitching one side against the other, then America might not actually sink into the swamp. Look, it`s not about "libtards" or "Republitards". And you know who you are, on either side of the debate. You`ve been fed the party line by the media, and they control your every thought.

The longer you Americans fight amongst yourselves to achieve nothing, or veto achievements from "the other side", the further America is going under.
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Male 5,018
"That`s the funniest poo I`ve heard in years."

You can`t see it because your head is so far up opinion media`s ass.
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Male 17,511
markust: [quote]President Obama had the good intentions of working with both sides to come up with the best solutions.[/quote]

ROFLMAO

That`s the funniest poo I`ve heard in years.
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Male 411
Don`t blame one man who was handed a flaming pile of poo... its the fault of every person too ignorant to figure out where the problems came from, and too lazy to stand up and do something about it.
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Male 10,855
@TheGuySmiley

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Male 1,243
Look, it`s simple.

Gather in numbers in front of the little white house and chant "DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!..."

And don`t stop until it`s turned back over to the people. You know of the 2 choices that are presented in the upcoming election are not going to help you, but the above will.
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Male 14,331



He probably will the other choice is equally crappy.
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Male 5,018
"Elect someone who isn`t in it for their party. Good luck finding that on the planet!!"

That won`t work until we can get congress to work together. Spin it all you want but President Obama had the good intentions of working with both sides to come up with the best solutions. But he was hit within his first month with reality, "Our single most important goal is to make Barack Obama a one-term president". Funny I would have thought that during a recession the single most important goal for the Republicans in congress would be jobs and the economy.
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Male 14,331
[quote]HOW-CAN-WE-FIX-IT?[/quote]

Elect someone who isn`t in it for their party. Good luck finding that on the planet!!
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Male 5,018
"Whats done is done. Blame it on Bush! Blame it on Obama! It`s happened. HOW-CAN-WE-FIX-IT?"

The only way to fix it is to get out of the mentality that only one side has all the answers. We`re going to dig deeper and deeper into the hole until the two sides in the House and the Senate are forced to work together for the common good.
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Female 2,761
GUYS!

Whats done is done. Blame it on Bush! Blame it on Obama! It`s happened.

HOW-CAN-WE-FIX-IT?
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Male 2,357
@madest: [quote]This just in: The Republican party has now embraced the virtues of lying and cheating.[/quote]
This just in: the Democratic party has now embraced the virtues of stealing and blaming others.

We can all do it... doesn`t make it right.
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Male 6,227
Ahhh... I see CrakrJak`s already hard at work spreading peace and harmony throughout the IAB threads today.
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Male 10,855
[quote]You voted for a moron in 2000 and by 2004 when it was obvious that same moron lied about the reasons for war you voted for him again.[/quote]



In case you haven`t noticed by my abbreviated bio (which is ALWAYS visible in the comments section) I would`ve been 6-17 years old back then (I was 11), do the math. If it`s any consolation I did vote for Obama because of Bush`s malfeasance, a choice now I regret. (Glad I didn`t vote for McCain though :p)
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Male 10,855
[quote]You have no credibility in judging peoples character in fact I would say you suck at it.[/quote]

AAAAUUGGGHHH!!!!

ZIE IRONNYYYY!!!!!!111!!
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Male 663
I am still pretty sure you do not really know what the word cheating means. But I guess we are all entitled to our own theology.
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Male 7,378
This just in: The Republican party has now embraced the virtues of lying and cheating.
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Male 663
>>>>>@dang007, The IRS was lobbied by rich people when their accountant was busted. The pressure was on. They only offer amnesty to criminals.<<<

What in the world are you talking about. Did the IRS offer amnesty Romney.

You keep using words like "cheat" and "fair" and do not seem to have even a basic understanding of their meaning.<<<

And I seem to have forgotten the basic rules of grammar and spelling. Oh well.
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Male 663
>>@dang007, The IRS was lobbied by rich people when their accountant was busted. The pressure was on. They only offer amnesty to criminals.<<<

What in the world are you talking about. Did the IRS offer amnesty Romney.

You keep using words like "cheat" and "fair" and do not seem to have even a basic understanding of their meaning.
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Male 7,378
Hey Cajun247, What do you want from me? I`m no tax cheat. You go right ahead and vote for a tax cheat. I wouldn`t be surprised. You voted for a moron in 2000 and by 2004 when it was obvious that same moron lied about the reasons for war you voted for him again. You have no credibility in judging peoples character in fact I would say you suck at it.
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Male 14,331

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Male 5,018
"Really now? We had him boxed in before, now unfortunately now there`s talk of Iran gaining influence in the region."
"No, he didn`t the two groups despised each other."

It`s rational statements like these that allows me to ignore when you get a little extreme. You are not an angry parrot. You actually put a little thought into things.
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Male 3,445
"If the rich paid their taxes we wouldn`t be broke right now."

"Correction: if the govt wasn`t wasting money like it has we wouldn`t be broke by now."

The answer is found in the middle of these two statements.
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Male 10,855
Also your source doesn`t even show the tax returns. It says "allegedly".
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Male 10,855
[quote]If the rich paid their taxes we wouldn`t be broke right now.[/quote]

Correction: if the govt wasn`t wasting money like it has we wouldn`t be broke by now.
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Male 7,378
Nonsense. If the rich paid their taxes we wouldn`t be broke right now. We need to stop coddling the "job creators" and reject their claims of welfare recipients ripping us off. Right CJ?
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Male 10,855
[quote]It`s too bad that you are such a partisan hack that you can`t even admit that we are better off now that Saddam and his sons are dead and gone.[/quote]

Really now? We had him boxed in before, now unfortunately now there`s talk of Iran gaining influence in the region.

[quote]He was extremely dangerous and supported the taliban and the palestinians.[/quote]

No, he didn`t the two groups despised each other.

[quote]Mitt Romney is a tax cheat and there`s only one person who can prove me wrong and as far as I know Mitt Romney doesn`t comment here.[/quote]


I see it the other way around the govt is trying grab all of its citizens by the ankle and trying shake them down for every penny they got.
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Male 2,357
@madest: [quote]Mitt Romney is a tax cheat and there`s only one person who can prove me wrong[/quote]
Well at least you`re keeping an open mind instead of falling into the "sheep" category...
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Male 7,378
Well well, We won`t need Mitt Romney to release his taxes, Anonymous will do it for us. Yay anon!
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Male 7,378
Mitt Romney is a tax cheat and there`s only one person who can prove me wrong and as far as I know Mitt Romney doesn`t comment here.

@dang007, The IRS was lobbied by rich people when their accountant was busted. The pressure was on. They only offer amnesty to criminals.
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Male 275
@CrakrJak
"Saddam was a threat, to the whole damn world, and we are better off now that he`s gone."

Many people around the world think the same of the US. Makes you wonder huh?
Nah i guess it doesnt. USA USA!
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Male 3,445
`It`s too bad that you are such a partisan hack`

Ha ha ha ha ha
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Male 663
>>>>Mitt Romney is a tax cheat and that`s the facts. He hides money overseas to avoid Uncle Sam. <<<<
Must not be very good at hiding it if you know about it. Come to think of it if you know about it the IRS must as well does not seem to be a problem for them. So you are left with two options it was not tax cheating or it was and the IRS is incompetent. So you choose 1. you are wrong. 2. you support more power for a government that is so poorly run that the branch with the most latitude in enforcing rules is incompetent.
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Male 416
@CrakrJak: Umm... That yellowcake had been there since at least 1991. It was stored and sealed under the watch of UN inspectors, who were well aware of its presence.

Now, to be clear, I`m all for deposing tyrannical dictators, but this - in and of itself - is not a reason for having done so.
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Male 17,511
FoolsPrussia: 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium is more than 550 reasons Saddam had to be ousted. He was extremely dangerous and supported the taliban and the palestinians.

It`s too bad that you are such a partisan hack that you can`t even admit that we are better off now that Saddam and his sons are dead and gone.
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Male 5,018
Come on CrakrJak you got caught in a lie.
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Male 17,511
madest: Romney is not a tax cheat, in fact the money had made from overseas investments from previous years had to be claimed and shown that he did indeed pay taxes on that income, based on the tax returns he`s already released.

But don`t let that stop you from lying about, keep being a vitriolic ideologue it shows how both you and the rest of the democrats are phonies.
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Male 3,445
I never said it wasn`t there at all. See the quote I used for the link? The assertion that got us into the war was that Iraq was actively building WMDs, which is completely false. All they found was some pre-1991 yellowcake and some degraded mustard gas.
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Male 2,357
@madest: [quote]What do you want from me?[/quote]
I want you to justify to me how you can actually believe your previous statements. If you`re going to use the Swiss account, then justify how you consider it more likely to be an attempt at evasion rather than simply a lapse of memory, etc.

[quote]Perhaps I`ll open your eyes one day.[/quote]
Careful, as this assumes that my eyes are closed to begin with. As many as there are who align with you there are those who align with me.
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Male 17,511
FoolsPrussia: Your own source states that it was indeed found in 2008. Snopes only disagrees with an e-mail, circulating around, stating when it was purchased, not the fact that it was still there in Saddam`s possession.

Next time actually READ the whole article instead of saying it wasn`t there at all and quickly posting a briefly scanned link.
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Male 7,378
I`m not claiming anything. Mitt Romney is a tax cheat and that`s the facts. He hides money overseas to avoid Uncle Sam. What do you want from me? To say I don`t care? I do care and I`ll point this out at every opportunity I have. Perhaps I`ll open your eyes one day.

CJ, You`re wrong again... lol
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Male 2,357
@madest: [quote]Is that so? Then why doe he have to amend his 2011 returns? Because he`s a tax cheat, that`s why.[/quote]
For starters, that`s a completely different subject than the 2009 amnesty we were discussing earlier.

However, I`d be glad to offer some reason to the conversation. So, you`re trying to claim that, during an election attempt, Romney tried to forego paying taxes on $1,700 worth of income?

Yes, because this seems reasonable. Mitt Romney, with an estimated net worth of $200 million, thought that evading the taxes on $1,700 was worth risking an election over. I doubt it. Seems to be more straw grasping than anything...
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Male 3,445
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Male 17,511
madest: Credibility? Really? After dozens of democrats have been caught lying so bad even the left-wing press calls them out on it?

You better grab an extinguisher because those pants you have on are a 3 alarm blaze.
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Male 17,511
madest: WMDs where found, over a 100 tons of yellowcake uranium, chemical weapons and the remains of portable biological weapons labs.

Saddam was a threat, to the whole damn world, and we are better off now that he`s gone. If you can`t handle that fact maybe avoid the topic altogether.
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Male 7,378
Is that so? Then why doe he have to amend his 2011 returns? Because he`s a tax cheat, that`s why.
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Male 546
It costs a lot to get elected...
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Male 40,752
[quote]I think we should start a counter for all of the times @madest gets angry and tries to insult someone else - could be fun. Any takers?[/quote]
He gets butt-hurt constantly! How can he even sit down?
Double points for his using the term "retard" in any form.

@HumanAction: Obama could have used his Indonesian citizenship for those juicey forign student grants too! But that would require him to dis-avow his US citizenship... no wonder he`s sealed the documents!
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Male 2,357
@madest: [quote]It`s not speculation[/quote]
Yes it is; the 2009 amnesty you reference has not been directly linked to Romney. In fact, even less-than-reputable sources insist that it is speculation. C`mon man, pay attention.

[quote]PS: There is no "legal" requirement. It`s simply tradition.[/quote]
This is true as of right now; the Democrats are trying to make it a law however.
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Male 7,378
It`s not speculation. You haven`t been paying attention. Mitt Romney accepted amnesty for hiding money in a Swiss UBS account and as a result Republicans are forced to pretend like that`s normal. It`s odd to me that they can hate on a welfare mom who`s gaming the system yet keep their traps shut about a billionaire who hides his money from Uncle Sam.

PS: There is no "legal" requirement. It`s simply tradition. For a guy who pretends to know so much about the government I think you should know that.
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Male 2,357
@madest: So let me get this straight: you can claim that Romney is "tax dodging" because you speculate that it is the reason he does not release his extended returns (despite having released the legal requirement already); however, I can`t speculate that Obama falsified his admissions since he refuses to release that information.

Ah, now I see. You`re ability to present a reasonable and fair argument continues to impress. I am confident that I speak for the entire IAB community when I state that your presence is both insightful and engaging.

I think we should start a counter for all of the times @madest gets angry and tries to insult someone else - could be fun. Any takers?
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Male 7,378
Oh please. Really that`s what concerns you? First of all you have nothing for proof. Just conjecture of someone you never voted for anyway. Why would you care about the forms he filled out to get into college and not be upset with a tax dodging, un-patriotic American? I`ll tell you why. You`re a kook. A Ron Paul loving freakazoid who can`t believe his candidate was cut from the republican convention. That simply goes to more reasons as to why republicans are the party of cheaters and liars. The next 4-1/2 years are gonna suck for you. No wait the rest of your life is gonna suck for you because libertarianism has no chance of ever winning a national election.
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Male 2,357
@madest: I`ll bite.

Politicians in general have no credibility. They have placed personal interests over country. Our current leader most likely lied on his college admissions in order to get illegitimate financial aid. Yes, Barack Obama likely stated that he was born in Kenya on his college admissions in order to get additional financial aid? He sickens me.

You are not patriotic.

How`s that?
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Male 7,378
Why do you care 5Cats? It`s not your country. Haha!
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Male 2,357
@SephirothA83: The SCARIER part is that, in 2008, Obama convinced so many Democrats that HE COULD turn the economy around in four years.

The SCARIEST part is that Obama himself believed he could.
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Male 5,018
Also you may not want to piss off @HolyGod. He is way smarter than you and a far better debater. Although it is fun to watch him time and time again destroy your weak arguments.
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Male 5,018
"Do you watch TV news? Did any station mention the 16T story? Or did you "read it first at IAB"?"

I don`t want to be brainwashed by someone else`s opinion so no I did not watch the TV news. I will tell it was prominently featured on all three of the main news sites (CNN.com, FoxNews.com and NBCNews.com). Everyone is concerned with the national debt including "gasp" the President.
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Male 40,752
So @madest: Do you watch TV news? Did any station mention the 16T story? Or did you "read it first at IAB"?

Anyone?
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Male 40,752



@Sepheroth: Remember Bush-I "read my lips, no new taxes"? I`m sure you do! If not, ask your parents, the MSM crucified him for saying that!
Obama said all that AND much more! Obama said these things, NOT the RNC, ok? And of course the MSM cannot seem to recall ANY of his campaign promises...
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Male 955
The scary part about talking about this debt increase, which is inflated, due to budgets and timeframes as mentioned numerous times in this post, is that repubutards actually believe that Obama could turn the country around in 4 years and that their savior is this guy that hides his money offshore to avoid taxes.
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Male 7,378
[quote]How about taking a seat on the STFU couch for while until you`re ready to have a logical debate?[/quote] -------------
Republicans have no credibility. You put your party over country even when obvious lies are obvious. Your new leader is tax cheat. Yeah Mitt Romney hides his money off shore to avoid taxes and that is now a republican virtue? Your party sickens me. You are not patriotic.
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Male 40,752
[quote]Even 5Cats conceded that this is the only legitimate way to determine deficit responsibility[/quote]
Close @HG: But no banana!
I said it would be IF (and only if) you sort out the spending increases of the new President from the old!
Thus when Bush passed a bill in late Sept 2001, 140 billion (iirc! it`s just an example) to fund the Afghan war, it is NOT CLINTON`S FAULT!
Thus I say: Inaguration day is the cut-off! Not election day (duh!) and not some future day where Bush spends billions and it`s counted against Clinton.
OBVIOUSLY!

And again I point out that when YOU "did the math" you left 13 months of Obama`s spending OUT of the equation.
AND added 1 trillion + of Obama`s budget to Bush!
The double-whammy of stupid! Sorry, I mean immoral accounting.
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Male 40,752
[quote]Libya was a unilateral maneuver, in which we didn`t even take the military lead[/quote]
Oh @FP! Your kool-aid must taste so sweet!

Obama said: American and British ships fired 200 cruise missiles at Lybian targets: It was true!
200 American missiles and 2 British ones!
Not taking the lead? Examine the number of air craft sortied by nation: USA > All the rest combined. By 3:1 iirc...

[quote]If i wanted to see poo like this I`d go watch tv.[/quote]
@i8mygoldfish, @Andicicle, @FP, @HG, and everyone else: Answer me this:
DID THE MSM MENTION THIS ON THE USA NEWS?
Abc, Cbs, Nbc, Cnn? Anyone mark the passing of the 16 trillion debt?
It`s an honest question! I sure don`t follow the US news enough to know. BBC Didn`t say a word yesterday, IDK about the rest of the week though.
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Male 40,752
[quote]this is still damning especially considering the way he is shown speaking about the debt.[/quote]
@HG: I`m glad you actually watched the video! It being all of 1 minute long...

YES! Obama promised:
to cut the deficit in HALF!
to not sign a budget with PORK!
to not raise the DEBT!
to not raise TAXES!

He has done the exact opposite of all 4! He is 0 for 4 and you want him to have 4 more years to drat-up? Even he, himself said if he cannot fix the economy in his first term he doesn`t deserve a second term!
The only true thing he said while campaigning! THAT promise he breaks too.
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Male 1,869
Good job Madest! Once again when Obama`s words are compared to his actions in a way that point out HIS failures, you resort to a red herring argument.

How about taking a seat on the STFU couch for while until you`re ready to have a logical debate?

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Male 40,752
[quote]$16T - $11.9T = $4.1T
Obama has added $4.1T to the national debt.[/quote]
ONCE AGAIN @HolyGod you have FAILED!
I`ve lectured you on this before (I think it was you, might have been someone else though)!
You`ve CUT OFF Obama`s spending at Sept 2012! To be a fair comparison it MUST continue to Oct 2013, another FULL YEAR+ YOU DUMBASS!

Add to that the FACT that 879 BILLION was passed BY OBAMA HIMSELF and you`ve added that to Bush`s total?
YOU LIE!
Your pants? ON FIRE!
Cripes man, have you no shame? No brains?
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Male 406
365*2012*1.000.000 = not a trillion
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Male 406
if you spent 1.000.000 dollars every year since year zero you would not even have spent a trillion... yea so.
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Male 7,378
[quote]Trying to teach truth and honesty to a democrat is like trying to nail jello to the wall.[/quote] --------
LOL CJ, That`s rich. Remember WMDs and the threat Saddam posed? Yeah that lie cost about $3 trillion. Now the party of tards is rallying around a tax cheat. Keep your "truthiness" in your fairy tale, there are fact checkers out there. LyingRyan anyone?
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Male 514
Canada is in big trouble too, just a smaller scale. The only country in the world that stopped accumulating unrepayable debt is iceland who said screw you to the big banks and erased their debt. Now they are finally starting to see a recovery.
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Male 17,511
Zeegrr60: Trying to teach truth and honesty to a democrat is like trying to nail jello to the wall.
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Male 2,216
Trying to teach math to a republican is like trying to teach religion to a scientist
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Male 15,270
LOL, you partisans blaming the debt on one party or another. Who should you blame? All the Americans. Every single one.

And 13 trillion is not the whole story. You have to add the bad cheques written: federal benefits, unfunded social security and medicare. Excluding other hard to quantify policy implied liabilities, the total is closer to 60.9 trillion, or $513,380 for every household in the USA.

Average family net worth in the USA fell from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010 (and certainly fell further since). Then you deduct half a million dollars per family and that`s what you`re worth.
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Male 17,511
HG: Obama signed off on all of it even before he took office. He took part in the bank bailout and it was his administration that doled out the money (to his biggest campaign donors, by the way).

He`s taking credit for bailing out those banks now, trying to claim we are better off. Since he`s taking credit for it, he should be held accountable for it`s aftermath as well.
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Male 3
America....Canada`s Mexico.
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Male 9,766
Oh Crakr

Please read below. Even 5Cats conceded that this is the only legitimate way to determine deficit responsibility. It just distorts the conversation when you can`t give numbers accurately. Obama has a lot to answer for and if he gets a second term his total addition to the debt may exceed Bush`s, but right now it doesn`t. Not even close. Please get a grip on how the numbers really work before you spout off about them.
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Male 9,766
Obama took office on January 20, 2009.

For most of 2009 the country operated under the budget of the previous president, Bush. Obama`s first budget didn`t begin until Oct 1, 2009. That is the point at which Obama and his policies had any effect on the national debt. On October 1st, 2009 the national debt was $11.9T.

$11.9T - $5.8T = $6.1T
Bush added $6.1T to the national debt.

$16T - $11.9T = $4.1T
Obama has added $4.1T to the national debt.

$6.1T > $4.1T

How about you "Do math"?
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Male 9,766
Andrew155

"HolyGod - He actually has added more debt in 4 years than Bush did in 8. Do math."

Oh lord. It becomes so difficult to have these discussions when every time I have to educate the people I am talking to, but here it is again.

Bush took office on January 20, 2001.

For most of 2001 the country operated under the budget of the previous president, Clinton. Bush`s first budget didn`t begin until Oct 1, 2001. That is the point at which Bush and his policies had any effect on the national debt. On October 1st, 2001 the national debt was $5.8T.

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Male 17,511
davy: You`re omitting the fact that $4 trillion was spent over 8 years and that we also used the same to get rid of the taliban in Afghanistan.

Obama spent $6 trillion in less than 4 years. 50% more in less than half the time. And where did all that spending get us? Did it improve the economy? No. Did it lower the unemployment rate? No. Did it save people from loosing their homes? No. 46.7 million people are on food stamps a 50% increase since 2008. Gasoline costs twice what it did in 2008. Obama hasn`t even signed a budget bill in the last 3 1/2 years.

Obama gives himself an `incomplete` grade. When I went to school `incomplete` equaled an F. He has failed, even he knows it.
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Male 5,018
A giant debt clock needs to be installed in the House and the Senate. Or someone could at least read the days numbers at the start of the day.
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Male 503
I agree with i8mygoldfish 100%
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Male 390
And there was zero debt when he took office right? Delusional.

Political (spin) videos posted here, what a shame.
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Male 82
Stupid videos like this that get accepted are the reason I come a little bit closer to not enjoying this website. It`s not a Democrat or republican issue as I`d say the same for a Video against Mitt Romney. If i wanted to see poo like this I`d go watch tv.
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Male 1,510
The US Dollar in a few years:
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Male 12,138
Those WMD`s that Saddam had are going to show up any day now, surely. Best 4 Trillion Dollars that America ever spent invading Iraq, since those darn I-raqis attacked America, threatening our very way of life at 9-11!

No, wait...
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Female 2,761
We can`t keep going like this. What are we going to do? Seriously... how do we go about getting out of debt? Will the government collapse? Will all programs stop (welfare, medicare, etc.)?

I am really curious how the hell this is going to go down...
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Male 1,510
Neither Obama or Romney are willing to fix this. Bush racked up the debt, Obama added even more. Our best chance was Ron Paul, but he didn`t make the republican ticket. Partly due to the GOP changing the rules at the last minute. All the way down to my little precinct voting, our Ron Paul delegates were disqualified because our Romney supporting precinct officer didn`t submit them correctly. There`s a third party that can save us, the Libertarian Party. Cut spending, end the drug war, end the global wars, etc.
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Male 3,445
"Same issue. Defend Obama without attacking Bush. It`s funny, you`re defending Obama by attacking Bush for essentially doing the same things Obama has done."

I will never be the guy who defends everything Obama does. But Obama, like it or not, chose the Keynesian solution to stop our economy from getting worse, just as any other president would have done. Republicans sure like to say they wouldn`t do that now, but we all know they would have. The point I was making, just as I have made before, was that Obama`s Keynesian measures wouldn`t have made the debt numbers look quite as bad if Bush hadn`t spent so much.

I think Obama needs to pull us out of Afghanistan. Libya was a unilateral maneuver, in which we didn`t even take the military lead. I`m no fan of military adventurism, but that was much more tolerable for me than Iraq and Afghanistan. For one thing, people were getting killed by Qaddafi before we started dropping bombs.
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Male 15,832
That amounts to over $50,000 for every man, woman, and child in the US, or over $200,000 for a family of 4. We`re only skating by because interest rates are under 1%, but that can`t last forever. Every 1% increase in interest rates will cost $160 billion a year. Under Carter, interest rates shot up to over 18%. If that happens again, just the INTEREST on the current debt would be $2.88 trillion per year or about double the amount of the current record deficits.

We are so f***ed.
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Male 557
A president who is intent on going to war with Iran would drive our debt even higher. It is also hard to work on something when everyone in the other party is working against you. Replublicans have expressively said that the minute Obama got into office they were working their asses off to not work with him and get him out. Choose the lesser of two evils and think for yourselves rather then listen to the nonsense fox news spews out. In case anyone forgot, we were at a surplus before Bush came into office.
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Male 16
I don`t think Keynes really intended for there to be large increases to public debt year after year, only during recessions and related to growth. But this isn`t Keynesian, just, incompetence.

America had similar debt to GDP after world war II so I still have hope it can be paid off, if action happens soon. It`s just sad the debt wasn`t caused by investing in America.
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Male 13
When the country is going through a recession it is the role of government to run up deficits to fill in the gap left by shrinking consumer spending. Other wise recessions become depressions.
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Male 2,578
Jonas Quim - Bush did his damage, but this time 4 years ago the debt was onlyyyyy 10 trillion. That means 6 trillion more in 4 years. I don`t know the exact size of the British economy, but the additional debt is probably more than the size of 2 British economies.

But bottom line - literally all of the military and tax hikes in the world could not balance this budget!
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Male 2,578
HolyGod - He actually has added more debt in 4 years than Bush did in 8. Do math.

Still, people need to learn to defend Obama without defending Bush. Who cares about Bush? You can disapprove of Obama and Bush at the same time, you know? However, pointing to tax cuts and wars as the sole "cause" is a misnomer. Like I said, cutting 100% of the military and raising taxes to 100% for rich people still doesn`t balance the budget.

FoolsPrussia - Same issue. Defend Obama without attacking Bush. It`s funny, you`re defending Obama by attacking Bush for essentially doing the same things Obama has done.

But be fair, Afghanistan was just in the beginning. Iraq, like Libya, was questionable. Obama didn`t get approval in Libya. 30,000 Libyans died, which, per capita and per day, is exponentially higher than the Iraq dead. (But brown deaths don`t matter as much, right?)
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Male 115
This debt was inherited from the Bush administration. Obama is a don. (from an english perspective)
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Male 3,646
I like the part where Obama says that if he isn`t able to cut the debt, he won`t run for a second term.
Haha, good joke there, Mr. President!
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Male 3,445
Where is the part where George Bush cut taxes while simultaneously launching two wars?
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Male 9,766
I still don`t know why the debt matters, but this certainly is damning. He still hasn`t added as much as Bush did, and so much has been added in his term because of a recession he didn`t cause, wars he didn`t start, and tax cuts he didn`t make. However this is still damning especially considering the way he is shown speaking about the debt.

If he would have said we have to spend our way out of the recession and here is the plan, then we will work at the debt and here is the plan I would respect that. The debt could be $20T and I wouldn`t care. Saying this in the face of what is going on is pretty unforgiveable though.
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Male 2,578
Ledzep - Romney and Ryan would be more of a slow, clean death, Obama would be a quick, but gruesome death.

If you just look at the economic realities, we`ve LONG crossed the Rubicon. It doesn`t really matter who is president, these problems can`t be fixed without drastic measured. There are also too many external factors against our favor like China`s closed domestic market and currency manipulation that hurt us.

Seriously, we could cut 100% of the military and raise taxes on rich people to 100% and the budget would stilllllll not be balanced.
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Male 2,384
yea and romeny is going to fix everything right? id rather have obama that fu/cking scum bag
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Male 1,252
Why not just deplete the USD dollar into nothingness, then institute the "Amero`? then Canada and Mexico can share in the debt as the US uses it? oh wait....
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Male 40,752
@Dead_Mind: If you hit F5 or refresh the page, it sometimes re-posts you last comment. It`s an IAB weird thing, eh?

<< Just delete the extra post, it`s on the left there, under your post count. Welcome to IAB!
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Male 303
You (the USA) had a depth ofm 4 billion already in 1993? why not pay that back then? Why pay it back now?
Silly Amerikans - Thats how most of the world feel about you theese days.
I am sorry.
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Male 40,752
I set the record for fastest suggestion to be posted!

I watched this, suggested it, watched Feed The Kitty (7 minutes) and presto! lolz!

Dead_Mind: YUP! It was 4.1 trillion January 1993, 5.7 trillion January 2001 and 10.6 trillion January 2009.
Bush added 4.9 in 8 years
Obama added 5.4+ (still counting!) in 4 years.
Hope!
Change!
Foreward!

@jamie76: mmmm! Cookies!
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Male 41
Approved by Mitt Romney, the most consistently honest man in America
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Female 1,008
People, it`s only a problem if you plan on paying it back.
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Male 15,510
The land of debt
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Male 10,855
[quote]5cats...you aren`t American.[/quote]

Oh right as if our debt affects Americans and Americans only rrriiiiggghhhtt.
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Male 303
You (the USA) had a depth ofm 4 billion already in 1993? why not pay that back then? Why pay it back now?
Silly Amerikans - Thats how most of the world feel about you theese days.
I am sorry.
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Female 1,743
Hey, maybe we can elect some folks to get together and fix the problem?
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Female 913
That`s a lot more "change" than what we bargained for!!!
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Male 2,344
5cats...you aren`t American.

when the shock wears off someone give him a glass of water and a cookie.
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Male 2,436
Throw the bum out.
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Male 40,752
BINGO!
That was fast! lmao!
Happy 16 Trillion Day America!

Debt To The Penny
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Male 40,752
Link: Hooray! America Really Did It! [Rate Link] - Happy $16,000,000,000,000.00 Debt Day America! Yes We Can!
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