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96 Responses to DNC Delegates: Let`s Ban Corporate Profits!

  1. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 6, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    Link: DNC Delegates: Let`s Ban Corporate Profits! - ...but we`re not socialists!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 6, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Would you guys PUH-LEEZ look up the definition of `socialis` before you use it!

    Banning corporate profits in fact is NOT socialist.
    It`s communist.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1945 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    Anybody want to try and defend these idiots? Wonder why the right charges the left with having a socialist/communist agenda? These people are scary stupid.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2514 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    Let`s look at this very simply. When corporations stockpile money (which is what they do), that money doesn`t get put back into the economy. Therefore, more money has to be printed, or else there will eventually not be enough to go around. And every time more money is printed, our dollar is devalued.

    So basically, corporate stockpiling of money is causes inflation, and thus the more they make, the poorer the public becomes.

    Look at it from that perspective and then say that you are OK with companies like Exxon stockpiling money. Should that money not go back into the economy at some point?
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    actually i could get behind a cap for profit growth. keep it at 10% a year. i dont agree with stopping profit but a company shouldnt grow 400% while its workers are put through hell and their product is scrimped down to crap. my ultimate goal is to stop companies from losing focus on quality and quantity, so this might not be the best way to accomplish it but i am getting tired of seeing food get smaller and smaller for the same price. also tired of the rising cost of everything else. tired of seeing gas go up dam near every day just to hear later the oil company had ANOTHER record quarter. i just tired of the way the powerful and rich are milking this country for everything it has and skipping town the time it comes to pay. so yes profits are to blame, the root of all evil IS money, and sad to say but no matter who wins there will always be a rich person running this country who has no idea what the average person has to deal with. that and they are already bought buy 1% anyway.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    September 6, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    Let`s punish success because we aren`t capable of it ourselves. Yay! Retards. Have something to offer to society, instead of just taking, then you too will make a profit. If you don`t like the corporation, don`t buy their sh it. Simple as that.

    Save money, live better.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 6, 2012 at 5:20 pm
    Retarded people associate retarded people in front of a camera as representing all people.
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    themax275 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 5:30 pm
    These are called leading questions. Getting a person to admit they are in favor of higher wages and lower priced goods, and then goading them in to say they are in favor of banning corporate profits as if it were a logical way of achieving that goal. Essentially he`s putting words in to their mouths. The lesson everybody should take from this video is not that democrats are stupid,it`s how terrifying it is to get a person to say whatever you want them to.
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    themax275 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 5:34 pm
    Oops, I meant to say `how terrifyingly easy it is`
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    themax, no. They`re not victims. They all said what they said.


    But what this video, as well as some videos of Republicans doing similar things, shows us is that the people who are MOST civically involved are rather ignorant, dumb, and overly partisan. That is the heart of our society`s illness, our civil society is sick and on life support.
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
    251 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 5:39 pm
    I thought the whole voting on changing the platform was the funniest thing I`ve seen in a while. "Here we are at the DNC, the shining beacon for Democratic representation within our political system, where they are about to vote on whether or not they should change their platform. Here they go!..." *****"NO!"*****
    efff you guys, we`re doing it anyway.


    politics as usual
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 5:45 pm
    RobSwindol - No. Corporations sitting on their money doesn`t cause inflation. It`s the government that irresponsibly prints it that causes it. Who are you to tell a private company that they have to use money they legally made? Seriously.

    What you should really be asking is why are the companies sitting on the money? Because they are afraid. They are preparing for coming economical turmoil and this cash on hand is a proverbial sandbag barrier for the coming economic flood. They are allowed to do this, they are a private organization. If they made a bad choice, they will go out of business; if they made a good choice, they will stay in business.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 6, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    Themax275 is absolutely correct about leading questions. This video says a lot more about the dishonesty of the interviewer than the stupidity of the interviewees.
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    Squidbush Male 40-49
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    September 6, 2012 at 5:53 pm
    I think what these people don`t seem to understand is if we really were to start limiting corporate profits, it`s only a matter of sliding down that slippery slope to limiting small businesses profits, then leading to banning private citizens from saving more than a certain percentage of their income.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3283 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    RobSwindol, why are corporations and the über rich hoarding money? Or, why are they not spending money?

    Instead of forcefully taking money from them, why not give them an incentive to spend money?

    In the former, they shut down, they`ll find a way to keep their money. In the latter, who knows what would happen.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:03 pm
    Also, a steady inflation is a good thing.

    There has been a steady inflation for a couple of decades now.
    A rapid inflation is bad.
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    hi2pi Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:03 pm
    If you can read you`re probably a product of socialism. You probably went to a tax-supported public school. On tax-payer funded roads. Protected by police and firemen paid for by all and meant to serve all. So let`s stop using the word socialist as if it`s a bad thing, shall we?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33124 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 6:14 pm
    @OldOllie: LOLZ! Thanks for this, it`s hysterically funny!
    "ban profits" ZOMG!

    Now I`ll read the h8 from the libtards, and laugh even more!
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:27 pm
    Banning is communism, limiting is socialism.. the problem is that its made all too easy for major corporations to make insane profit and simply reinvest for more profit....like a house of cards one bad card and they all drop like a rock. I suggest a cap and obligatory tax percentage put towards a viable not for profit reasearch, charity or scholarship fund.

    Also Peter Schiff is the poo...he knows his poo.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    HAVING NICE THINGS IS IMMORAL YOU SHOULD ALL FEEL BAD
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    Runemang Male 30-39
    2676 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 6:33 pm
    Any "ism" taken to an extreme is bad, even capitalism. We wouldn`t have a lot of the technology and social systems we have today without it. But, the gap between the rich and poor gets wider and wider. Individuals get richer by screwing the whole of society. The rich get richer by screwing the middle class, the poor get poorer but are supported by the middle class, the middle class get screwed blue without the courtesy of a reach around. Soon it`ll be kings and peasants and nothing in between.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:41 pm
    "If you can read you`re probably a product of socialism. So let`s stop using the word socialist as if it`s a bad thing, shall we?"

    By that logic, if you were locked up in a basement as a young child, anally raped several times a week, with no social contact and no knowledge of the outside world, and kept there until you grew into a ripe old age, but given enough food, water, and care to barely maintain your existence, it would be wrong to call it it a "bad thing" because you were "a product" of that environment.

    Obviously the two situations are completely different, but the logic either works for both or it works for neither. If you believe "being a product" of something means you have no right to complain about it, then you can`t possibly disagree with my scenario without being a hypocrite.
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    themax275 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    No sane, intelligent person, democrat or republican, is going to ban or limit corporate profit. This has never been suggested by the democratic party...ever. The people in this video are nothing more than your average, ignorant, human being simply agreeing with an answer provided to them through suggestion. We just have to hope this kind of people are in the minority.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    "No sane, intelligent person, democrat or republican, is going to ban or limit corporate profit. This has never been suggested by the democratic party...ever. "


    The people in this video are not average schmucks attending the convention. They are elected delegates of the Democratic party.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    "Let`s look at this very simply. When corporations stockpile money (which is what they do), that money doesn`t get put back into the economy. Therefore, more money has to be printed, or else there will eventually not be enough to go around. And every time more money is printed, our dollar is devalued.

    So basically, corporate stockpiling of money is causes inflation"


    You fail econ 101, chapter 1: Supply and Demand.

    When corporations (or anyone) hoards money, it has a DEflationary effect, NOT INflationary. It`s the same as burying the money in a hole in the ground, or setting fire to it. Destroying money, or hoarding it, is the exact opposite concept of printing counterfeit money, which we all know is INflationary. Hoarded money only becomes INflationary when it`s spent, and if people like you had their way, and all the money in circulation was suddenly spent, a loaf of bread would cost a million dollars within a year.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 6, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    Rewarding failure and punishing success, that`s the democrat ideal. Remember, "You didn`t build that!" - Barrack Hussein Obama
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    Sonsglow Male 18-29
    201 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    I know what rhetoric is! derp der derp
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 7:40 pm
    .... not surprised. When you grow up believing that making a profit is bad. You get this.
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    themax275 Male 30-39
    16 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    "The people in this video are not average schmucks attending the convention. They are elected delegates of the Democratic party."

    No. Those were Joe blow attendees. There were 2 or 3 people that were definitely delegates. You can tell because they didn`t give any discernible answer or opinion.
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    isthiswherei Male 18-29
    16 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm
    what percentage of all the people in the stadium as democrats was the people in the video.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
    914 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    "No. Those were Joe blow attendees. There were 2 or 3 people that were definitely delegates. You can tell because they didn`t give any discernible answer or opinion."

    You`ve got it backwards. There are 2 or 3 people in this video that aren`t delegates.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    @RobSwindol When corporations stockpile money (which is what they do), that money doesn`t get put back into the economy.
    Right, because those profits are converted into giant piles of $100 bills squirreled away in secret corporate vaults where the board of directors can wallow naked in it.

    Actually, that money is in BANKS where it is being loaned out for people to buy houses or cars or to start business.

    Without profits, there`s no reason to produce ANYTHING -- no food, no energy, no houses, no clothing, no cars, no trucks, no planes, no computers, no Internet, no phones, no iPods... Without profit, why would your boss even want to put up with you?

    Our money is being devalued because Obama is borrowing $trillions from the Fed who is buying bonds with money it creates out of thin air. They`re also paying WAY over the true market rate for those bonds to keep interest rates artificially low.


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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    IAb really should be less obvious about being right wing mouthpiece...I`ve totally lost my desire to be here, as much as i would if it were pushing a left wing agenda.

    all I see in terms of political on here are ones bashing the left...during the RNC there were ZERO anti-republican post on here.

    IAB faq you. I`m out for good.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33124 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 8:34 pm
    This has never been suggested by the democratic party...ever.

    "We have to, redistribute the wealth..." - Barack Hussain Obama
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm
    How is IAB pro-Conservative? Quite frankly, I see plenty of stuff on both sides here. And yes, there were things that bashed Republicans during their convention.

    I mean seriously, this place is like an atheist`s paradise. That`s not exactly a typical conservative.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33124 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 8:40 pm
    IAB faq you. I`m out for good.

    Promises promises!

    For someone who "works in the mental health trade" you sure are a whiney, sookie-baby @jamie76! ffs if you`re THAT thin-skinned you must live like a bubble-boy! The MINUTE the tables are turned and the "right" gets to do what the "left" did for EIGHT FRIGGING YEARS, during which time you had NO OBJECTIONS AT ALL I might add, YOU TURN TAIL AND RUN! You cryin to yo Mama "Waaa those boys did to me what I did to them, it ain`t no fair!"
    Candy-ass!
    Girly-man!
    Hypocrite!
    IAB is a better place without your sniveling...

    When the going gets tough? The left cry MAMA!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33124 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    @Andrew155: Anything, and I mean the smallest iota of a thing, that isn`t 100% LEFTY APPROVED is, by definition: part of the vast right-wing conspiracy!
    Note #1: "lefty approved" is subject to change without notice, reason or logic.
    Note #2: Lefties have NO IDEA that the term "vast rightwing conspiracy" is ironic...
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    September 6, 2012 at 8:52 pm
    IAB...a right wing mouthpiece!?

    I don`t care what you say, that`s funny right there.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    IAb really should be less obvious about being right wing mouthpiece...I`ve totally lost my desire to be here, as much as i would if it were pushing a left wing agenda.
    Wow, funny you should say that. We`ve been accused of being a biased left-wing mouthpiece many times in the past. It`s just current posts, is all.

    Heck, I`m an outspoken liberal European atheist, and I work here. We try our best to be fair, but if anything (if I`m honest with myself) we probably post more sh*t that hangs to the left, even though we try to keep it as neutral as possible.

    Come come now, if people like Crakrjak, OldOllie, 5Cats, McGovern etc are still sticking around when they`ve been hammered so many times by posts on this site, with pretty much all the Admins being Liberals, why are your panties ripping at the first sign of a few posts that go the other way? Grow a pair, man, come on.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    vv Didn`t see DromEd`s post before I posted mine. What he said.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3283 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 9:01 pm
    To be fair, jamie76, IAB had been overly left about a year ago. And about 6 months ago it became somewhat of a middle ground. Just because a slew of rightwing posts have been coming forth does not make it its "mouthpiece".

    I respect your arguing style as you don`t go the low route as some other lefty cohorts, who shall remain nameless, but whose name begins with "mad" and ends with "est".
    And you present knowledge well, even though I don`t agree with you.

    But, do as you will, you have the right and choice to leave.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 9:01 pm
    Aren`t hatefull comments part of any post? This place is pretty balanced.
    Only pussy`s quit.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    See? Look! I just reiterated what davymid said because I didn`t see his post. Oh well.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 9:23 pm
    I have no menaingful comment to make at this point, except to be completely childish and spam up the board so my post count says "11111".

    OK, so in a crap attempt to make my 11,111th post even vaguely worthwhile, I`ll share my favourite poem, which I penned myself on a moonlit night many years ago. I was replete in my completeness at that time, it was serene as I put pen to paper. Shakespearean almost, or so I like to think. A poem which I hope captures the sheer beauty of love for another, while also encapsulating the sheer very transience of the very nature of love. Like a wisp, or a snowflake in your hand, so beautiful that one is afraid to cusp it, or it may disappear. Yes, I speak of that most ephemeral of emotions, when you`re at your most vulnerable, and yet simultaneously, still open to the entire vitality of life in all its forms. I speak of love. Listen now, shush. *Clears throat*
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 9:23 pm
    "I like `em in frills,
    I like `em in lace,
    But I love `em the best,
    When they sit on my face."

    *Takes a bow*
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm
    this is just trolling, america on a whole is pretty stupid, red or blue
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    Baited questions huh? If someone asked me that, I`d say "that`s the dumbest idea I`ve ever heard."

    I hope they do pass a profit cap. Then when Apple reaches profitability each year, they will start giving away their products for free. I can`t wait. I deserve free iPods.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2589 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    Omfg! It`s not the corporate profits people are pissed about! It`s the freaking billion dollar bonuses their CEO`s get. That billion dollars should be going to the wealth creators, shared amongst the workers on the assembly line, the engineers, foremans, an people who do real work. 100K a year is all they should get. Period. NO MORE BILLION DOLLAR BONUSES TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DESERVE IT. Thats what it`s all about people.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2012 at 10:04 pm
    I do more before lunch than a CEO does all month. Period.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33124 posts
    September 6, 2012 at 10:39 pm
    @davymid: Your *ahem* "poem" reminds me of:

    Rough Sex
    Strangely it`s "SFW" !

    However I am alarmed at your apparent alocohol intake, plz to contact me, thx!

    Congradulations on 11,111~ amature! ;-)

    @keith2: there is not one single "fat cat" who`s recieved a BILLION dollar bonus, afaik... exagerate much?
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    September 6, 2012 at 11:00 pm
    davymid
    congrats on your 11111th post drunk yeah!
    but ever entertaining
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 11:43 pm
    Hahaha, those people aren`t familiar with the English language

    Granted he said it in a way that would make a child agree with him

    Also, congratulations DavyMid
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2012 at 11:48 pm
    Your poem reminds me of one I saw recently

    "Roses are red,
    Violets are blue.
    Poems are hard,
    So am I"
    Hiiyooo
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 1:01 am
    It`s not about corporate profit, it`s about how much of that profit gets back to middle class workers. If a CEO keeps 50% of the companies profits and split the rest amongst employees fine. That`s how it always was, that is capitalism. Once upon a time, when the US was in full boom the more production and profit the more the bigwigs made AND the more his people made. Nowadays, the more they make, the same everyone else takes home and all that extra goes to the top. Not to say that that is "wrong" but it is helping to destroy a working system. Not to say bloating our government and getting everyone into a slave welfare system dependant on big government is much better. Two sides to the same drated up coin that drat the majority and reward the few.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 1:30 am
    Have salary caps had a positive effect on professional sports?
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    themax275 Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 4:19 am
    intrigid,

    Where are you getting that info? Are you just assuming they`re all delegates?

    5cats,

    That quote was in regard to cutting middle class taxes and increasing them for anybody making $250k plus. My comment was in regards to capping or banning corporate profits.

    If I were to come across any prominent democrat in favor of this, or if it were actually part of a Democratic platform (and I don`t mean drawing conclusions based on a generic quote) then I would wholeheartedly agree with anybody shouting about socialism and communism.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 4:24 am
    "No. Corporations sitting on their money doesn`t cause inflation. It`s the government that irresponsibly prints it that causes it."

    And you`re obviously an idiot. Take a loot at the amount of money the country had in circulation 50 years ago. In 1960 there was only about 32 billion dollars in circulation. Exxon alone now makes that profit in a year. So if our government had stopped printing money 50 years ago, companies like Exxon would have all of it by now. There would be no money at all for the consumers. So stop being stupid.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2514 posts
    September 7, 2012 at 4:27 am
    "Without profits, there`s no reason to produce ANYTHING"

    And you are obvioulsy an idiot who watched far too much fox news.

    Personal profit is the incintive. But what good are corporate profits? A corporation isn`t a person. A corporation has no desires and needs no incintives. The People working there do. So give the profits to the workers, you dumb ass! At least then, it would get put back into the economy.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 5:50 am
    "But what good are corporate profits?"

    Increased budgets for R&D, job creation, expanded facilities, increased production etc. etc.

    Gotta turn a profit before you expand.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
    1945 posts
    September 7, 2012 at 5:53 am
    So if our government had stopped printing money 50 years ago, companies like Exxon would have all of it by now.

    I can`t begin to describe how intellectually vapid that statement is.
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    themax275 Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 6:03 am
    Robswindol, corporations need profits to grow their business. Growing businesses are what creates jobs and feeds the middle class. We WANT them to turn huge profits. Now whether our not they`re using profits to grow the business or lining the board members pockets is another story. PinkRhoid is mostly right. Most non-service related businesses give a small profit sharing payout at the end of the year. They can`t just divvy up all their money.

    Also, if they are just sitting on their money it does have a deflationary effect. Which is a very bad sign of things to come. No company that wants to stay in business is going to let it all rot unless they are expecting heavy losses in the future.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 6:25 am
    If you take all corporations profits they will leave BAD IDEA!! Well if you want to keep people employed that is. Guess I`ve been grouped with the right now even though I disagree with alot of their crap too.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 6:28 am
    That or the executives would raise their salaries till the company only makes a marginal profit.
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    JonasQuim Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 6:35 am
    Corporate america is trying to kill the internet for the rest of the world. (Kim Dotcom mansion raid, ACTA, SOPA, PIPA) by greasing the pockets of politicians. These corporation can have massive influence on local and foreign legislation. So are you governed by government or the corporations making donations?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 6:50 am
    No McGovern, you are fiscally conservative, and socially moderate...


    ...which in the eyes of the left, makes you evil.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:03 am
    I think it`s funny how this "demonize corporations" thing has gotten way out of control. I don`t axiomatically hate or vilify corporations for turning large profits; that`s their only goal and obligation.

    What I do have a problem with is *how* they turn those profits. Breaking laws, excessive polluting, treating workers like sh*t, etc. are not ok. Also, any corporations that have a basis in manufacturing don`t provide that many jobs to Americans, as it is much cheaper to farm that labour out to China/India etc. I also don`t have a problem with corporations doing this. The thing most needed in America is campaign finance reform. To call a corporation a person and allow them to use their millions if not billions to influence politicians is not usually good for anyone except that corporation. I also think this should extend to unions as well.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:06 am
    @RobSwindol: With your understanding of economics, you should hardly be pointing the "idiot" finger at anyone else.

    Let`s discuss your theories. You seem to believe that saving money causes inflation. However, saving money removes it from the economy, thus having the opposite effect: deflation.

    Now, you base this argument off of your concerns that, eventually, corporations would own all of the money. Let me ask you this then - who would produce their products? If they own all of the money and are not spending it, then they have no employees (you wouldn`t word for free, right?). With this model, the corporations defeat themselves by restricting their profits (corporations want profits).

    Now, you`ll argue that they`ll just save the money and stop producing. What then will they do with their money? It is useless as there would be no other products to buy. See?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:08 am
    @patchgrabber: To call a corporation a person and allow them to use their millions if not billions to influence politicians is not usually good for anyone except that corporation. I also think this should extend to unions as well.
    It`s also good for the politicians - just saying.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:10 am
    I think what is more telling is the number of conservative "reporters" who went trolling around the DNC trying so hard to film these "gotcha" moments. This is the third or fourth one I`ve seen here on IAB alone. It almost seems like a coordinated strategy, doesn`t it? If this type of misleading, lying "journalism" was done at the RNC I never heard a word of it, especially not here on IAB.
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    thepromenade Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:22 am
    Peter Schiff is a tool.
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    JoexBro Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:27 am
    Stupid people on both sides, just more stupid people to the other side
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:29 am
    "I think what is more telling is the number of conservative "reporters" who went trolling around the DNC trying so hard to film these "gotcha" moments. This is the third or fourth one I`ve seen here on IAB alone. It almost seems like a coordinated strategy, doesn`t it? If this type of misleading, lying "journalism" was done at the RNC I never heard a word of it, especially not here on IAB. "

    What`s misleading about this? A significant enough portion of Democratic delegates support a ban or cap on corporate profits to fill a 5 minute video. I don`t see how you can twist this any other way.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:29 am
    @HA: Touche. However, no one likes them anyway.
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    JoexBro Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:31 am
    @humanaction
    It is very clear to me that there are some super elite who are some of the ceo`s of these corporations, and they want to eliminate the middle class. How you say can this be if the middle class is buying and making their products. Well in a 100 years or so it might just be robots making all of those products, with the super elite living in america while other countries are now buying the products. There will be no more working or middle class. just the highest echelon in all mansions all over the country. That is what they are attempting to do. Maybe it will take longer, but that I know is their eventual goal.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:31 am
    "intrigid,

    Where are you getting that info? Are you just assuming they`re all delegates?
    "

    On his daily radio show, he went on to explain that contrary to some of the accusations, only a few people in the video were non-delegates.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:35 am
    "Corporate america is trying to kill the internet for the rest of the world. (Kim Dotcom mansion raid, ACTA, SOPA, PIPA) by greasing the pockets of politicians. These corporation can have massive influence on local and foreign legislation. So are you governed by government or the corporations making donations?"

    This is exactly why many advocate small and limited government powers. The problem is not corporations with unfettered profit motives, it`s corporations with unfettered access to government legislative power.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:42 am
    @JoexBro: I understand your argument, and it seems reasonable at first; however, you`re missing some pieces of the puzzle.

    First off, CEO`s do not want to eliminate the middle class. Remember, the middle class both provides their workforce as well as their consumer market.

    Now, I know you are concerned about robots replacing humans but it just won`t happen. Robots cannot manage HR departments, inventory ordering, etc. Humans will always be needed. Robots are actually very GOOD for the economy.

    Next, you are concerned that we will sell the products overseas only. This is a bad business model for two reasons: first, you disassociate from your local market thus limiting your profits; second, what is there to prevent foreign competition? It is expensive to move product across borders and seas - especially with U.S. taxes.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:50 am
    @intrigid, "What`s misleading about this?"

    That question was answered best by @themax275. You can get a good number of people on both sides to say whatever you want if you are a dishonest reporter. Personally I think a fear of public speaking shutting down the logical side of thinking has something to do with it.

    @themax275, "These are called leading questions. Getting a person to admit they are in favor of higher wages and lower priced goods, and then goading them in to say they are in favor of banning corporate profits as if it were a logical way of achieving that goal. Essentially he`s putting words in to their mouths. The lesson everybody should take from this video is not that democrats are stupid, it`s how terrifyingly easy it is to get a person to say whatever you want them to."
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 7:56 am
    Robots cannot manage HR departments
    Well they couldn`t possibly do a worse job. ;-)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 7, 2012 at 8:15 am
    Davy: Come come now, if people like Crakrjak, OldOllie, 5Cats, McGovern etc are still sticking around when they`ve been hammered so many times by posts on this site, with pretty much all the Admins being Liberals, why are your panties ripping at the first sign of a few posts that go the other way? Grow a pair, man, come on.

    Most honest thing I`ve heard you say in years.
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    themax275 Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 8:18 am
    @intrigid,

    I see now, and it makes me weep for the world.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 7, 2012 at 8:28 am
    patchgrabber: The republicans tried to tie campaign finance reform in with limitations on union contributions and that got stomped on.

    As it stands, with corporations allowed to give, campaign finances are pretty much equal, in presidential politics.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2012 at 8:36 am
    The republicans tried to tie campaign finance reform in with limitations on union contributions and that got stomped on.
    And were they looking to limit corporate contributions as well I wonder? If so I`d be very surprised.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 8:41 am
    To call a corporation a person and allow them to use their millions if not billions to influence politicians is not usually good for anyone except that corporation.

    This is exactly why the 17th amendment has been a detriment to the country since its adoption. For starters criminalizing lobbying is against the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, as it is a guarantee that everyone has the right "to petition congress for a redress of grievances". Before they had to lobby legislators of the states to grant all sorts of perks to the senators who represented that state in the Federal Govt. Now they can just bankroll the federal senator`s reelection campaign. The latter is far cheaper.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 8:46 am
    Also I`d like say by far the worst case of "electioneering" has been attaching presidential candidates` names to the ballots. This has created an unwarranted expectation that one`s vote is going to go directly (within the confines of electoral college) to that candidate, when in fact it is supposed to go to an anonymous and unpredictable elector.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 7, 2012 at 8:53 am
    All these ads and banners kinda proves Demand Media loves profits more than they love a good site huh Fancy?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 9:14 am
    @patchgrabber: Well they couldn`t possibly do a worse job.
    Hehe - touche.

    @Cajun: This is exactly why the 17th amendment has been a detriment to the country since its adoption.
    The 17th amendment was a complete travesty as it has drawn us much closer to a Democracy than was originally intended. The Founders understood that the average layperson is fallible and easily tempted, so they abstained from allowing such "mob rule".

    Add to it the 16th Amendment and the Civil War, and it is easy to see how we have strayed so far from a decent government and society.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 9:29 am
    @HumanAction

    I know that, but where *I* was going with 17th amendment was the issue of economic power translating into political power, an issue liberals are rightfully concerned about. Before then mechanisms were already in place to mitigate that risk and 17th amendment completely eliminated them.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 9:47 am
    @Cajun247: Whoops - I was actually trying to agree and add to what you said but it sounds more like I was critiquing...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 10:00 am
    @HA

    It`s cool.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    @markus

    Ding ding, well put and written.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 7, 2012 at 10:21 pm
    Most honest thing I`ve heard (davymid) say in years.
    C`mon, Cracker, Davy may be a flaming leftie, but he usually fights fair and gives as good as he gets. His intellectual honesty is definitely a cut above a lot of the other libs on this site even if he is wrong about f***ing EVERYTHING! ;-)
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2012 at 5:52 am
    In regards to robots: you may lose the manufacturing jobs, however you gain new jobs to repair the robots, a skilled job that requires intense training, thus should in theory being highly paid
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    Qystein Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2012 at 8:55 am
    america, are you really this stupid? If you think this is socialism, then North Korea do have a democracy!
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2012 at 9:18 am
    He selected the interviews, of course. How many said no?
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    sssfdg Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2012 at 8:27 am
    Umm yeah the point of these ambush interviews is to allow them to say something stuipid. Not tell them what to say to begin with.

    Not even a nice try......... FAIL.

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