Why Atheists Leave Buddhism Alone [Pic]

Submitted by: patchgrabber 4 years ago in

What do you think, I-A-B? Should more religions adopt this approach?
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Female 500
Carmium, she`s pretty, not anorexic!
I don`t feel religion working for the "betterment of mankind" really worked out that way. Christianity, in particular, just seems like we`re trying to put off our own responsibilities on others. I don`t feel praying to some most-likely-non-existent god is very productive or helpful. It makes the individual feel better about his or herself, but it doesn`t present any tangible gain. Science, however, has increased our lifespans and generally, improved our quality of life. I`m sitting in air conditioning because someone invented it, not because someone prayed for it. Who says science doesn`t bring joy? It brings passion and love and wonderment to our world.
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Male 1,243
patchgrabber: But that`s exactly the sense i`m using it, religion that works for the betterment of mankind, and despite all odds persists through love, honour, truth, pureness, and righteousness.

Without this, mankind will fall into a prejudical, hateful, and judgemental way, where even science will be used to further that.

We can see something like this happening today, even this thread, with it`s angry and prejudidal posts. Plus, look at how scientific advancements have brought us tablets and phones. But these devices are made for entertainment, and to earn money. It`s a testament to our time, because if science was truly guided as it should be, the focus would have the same zest for helping the deaf hear, helping the blind see, helping the lame walk, and helping the weak to be strong. These have taken a back seat in the pursuit of the $. Because science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind.
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Male 1,243
photomstr: what`s the alternative, hatred and prejudice your way? Religion isn`t going anywhere, those who can`t accept it will need to learn to live with it. After all science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind.
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Male 10,339
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Male 4,395
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Female 6,381
I really detest these spammers who take up 6 or 8 inches of comment space. And the girl in the photo below is an anorexic stick insect - does anybody really go for this junk?
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Male 5,811
[quote]science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind.[/quote]
Quote out of context. Einstein wasn`t referring to your typical modern incarnation of religion. Rather, he was describing the aspirations of what constitute what we would consider a religious person. As he said:
"a person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings, and aspirations to which he clings because of their superpersonalvalue...In this sense religion is the age-old endeavor of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals and constantly to strengthen and extend their effect."

Basically he was just ascribing values such as emotion, and purpose with "religion" although he himself admitted this definition of religion doesn`t require a deity.
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Male 14,827
That`s not the main reason why I respect Buddhism; it`s because they don`t go out and wage war, commit murder, rape, plunder and murder in the name of a God.
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Male 296
Buddhism is not a theistic religion, it is a philosophy. That is why Buddhism gets left alone.

Only right wing nut job christians try to classify it as a religion, but that`s only so they can condemn it as a sin against their god.
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Male 4,395
"Things are not what they seem; nor are they otherwise."
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Male 766
"Should more religions adopt this approach?"
Hell no! Religion needs to disappear. Grown ups with invisible friends, c`mon! These ancient superstitions could precipitate the Fall of Modern Man! They need to go away and take their hatred and prejudice and intolerance with them when they go . . .
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Male 161
Buddhism isn`t really a religion per se correct? that said, why would atheists have a "problem" with it?
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Male 1,243
Zuriel: mock it all you like, but mankind will have harmony despite those who oppose it.
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Male 554
@TheGuySmiley
"most people understand that science and religion will end up working hand in hand together by the time we have true peace and harmony on earth"

Yes, and the trees will begin to grow upside down, the fish will fly up to the clouds, and the catholic priest will no longer be looking at young boys. Utopia, here we come!
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Male 1,243
About this post, most people understand that science and religion will end up working hand in hand together by the time we have true peace and harmony on earth. There are people who say that only science or religion will stand in the end, but sadly most of them resort to negative acts based on hatred or bigotry. But neither are correct, because science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind.
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Male 1,243
Zeegrr60: reliance on prejudice is such a foolish thing. A true Christian is Christ-Like, meaning they love one another as He loves us.
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Male 11
Also, there are several sects of Tibetan Buddhism, and they`ve violently fought amongst themselves for political power through the years.
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Male 11
Tibetan buddhism has a ton of gods, holdovers from the old pre-buddhist religions from that region. And if you look at how Tibet was ruled as a theocracy before China imposed Communism, the Lamas were just as oppresive and backwards as any medieval European country.
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Male 2,163
Christians try to rule with fear.Jews of the world live in fear of christians. Scientology and Mormons have secret societies. Buddhists do not preach fear or hate. Budda wins.
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Male 38,468

jeremy562, [quote]"you guys are so fudgeen boring..." [/quote]
And you certainly livened the party up with that witty retort.
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Male 55
you guys are so fudgeen boring... *snore*
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Male 10,339
I was partially trolling.

I know it isn`t a law yet. It`s a fact of science.

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Male 658
gerry, 1/4 was tl;dr. nevermind 2/4, 3/4, and 4/4.
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Male 38,468
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Here`s an interesting explanation I found online of why buddhists do not worship a diety. On a side note, you`ve never seen a buddhists terrorist. The two concepts are incompatable.

By Ven S. Dhammika

There are several reasons why buddhists don`t believe in a supreme being. The Buddha, like modern sociologists and psychologists, believed that religious ideas and especially the god idea have their origin in fear. The Buddha says:
[quote] "Gripped by fear men go to the sacred mountains,
sacred groves, sacred trees and shrines". [/quote]
Dp 188
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Male 38,468
2/4

Primitive man found himself in a dangerous and hostile world. Fear of wild animals, not being able to find enough food, injury or disease, and of natural phenomena like thunder, lightning and volcanoes was constantly with him. Finding no security, he created the idea of gods in order to give him comfort in good times, courage in times of danger and consolation when things went wrong. To this day, you will notice that people become more religious at times of crises, you will hear them say that the belief in a god or gods gives them the strength they need to deal with life. You will hear them explain that they believe in a particular god because they prayed in time of need and their prayer was answered. All this seems to support the Buddha’s teaching that the god-idea is a response to fear and frustration. The Buddha teaches to calmly and courageously accept the things we cannot change. He replaced fear, not with irrational belief.
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Male 38,468
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The second reason the Buddha did not believe in a god is because there does not seem to be any evidence to support this idea. There are numerous religions, all claiming that they alone have god’s words preserved in their holy book, that they alone understand god’s nature, that their god exists and that the gods of other religions do not. Some claim that god is masculine, some that she is feminine and others that it is neuter. They are all satisfied that there is ample evidence to prove the existence of their god but they laugh in disbelief at the evidence other religions use to prove the existence of another god. It is not surprising that with so many different religions spending so many centuries trying to prove the existence of their gods that still no real, concrete, substantial or irrefutable evidence has been found. Buddhists suspend judgement until such evidence is forthcoming.
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Male 38,468
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The third reason the Buddha did not believe in a god is that the belief is not necessary. Some claim that the belief in a god is necessary in order to explain the origin on the universe. But this is not so. Science has very convincingly explained how the universe came into being without having to introduce the god-idea. Some claim that belief in god is necessary to have a happy, meaningful life. Again we can see that this is not so. There are millions of atheists and free-thinkers, not to mention many Buddhists, who live useful, happy and meaningful lives without belief in a god. Some claim that belief in god’s power is necessary because humans, being weak, do not have the strength to help themselves. Once again, the evidence indicates the opposite. One often hears of people who have overcome great disabilities and handicaps, enormous odds and difficulties, through their own inner resources, through their own efforts and without belief in a god. Some cla
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Male 2,097
Ahh, the sound of one hand clapping.
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Male 395
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Male 1,015
not better as christians... "prove me wrong"... yeah, sure !
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Male 2,855
he is an idiot, for so many reasons
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Male 15,510
Unlike some other religions who believe they are the "Only true one path" discarding the rest, Buddhism knows there are infinity ways to reach the same goal
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Female 4,086
buddhism is not a religion, it is a philosophy. the buddha never claimed to be a deity. nor have his followers claimed that he was. religion and buddhist philosophy are not in opposition. one can be a jewish buddhist, a catholic buddhist, etc.
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Male 735
technically you can`t prove anything so no...
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Male 658
And, he`s the source of two different character`s names from Avatar. Both of them airbenders.
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Male 5,811
[quote]All "converted" western Buddhist hippys, please feel free to head on over to China and self immolate yourselves, cheers.[/quote]

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Female 362
@auburnjunky: Newtonian gravity also technically is a theory.
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Male 5,811
[quote]just not the consciousness of your brain[/quote]
...Which is the part that Buddhism believes is rebirthed.
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Male 317
All "converted" western Buddhist hippys, please feel free to head on over to China and self immolate yourselves, cheers.
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Female 1,743
In a way, they`re right about reincarnation, AJ.

All living material gets recycled into other living organisms. When your body decomposes, the chemical compounds actually get passed on to other organisms to create life. It may not be a literal interpretation of reincarnation, but you do live on in a physical sense, just not the consciousness of your brain, which needs intact living brain tissue. :P
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Male 5,811
[quote]to be honest, he is right, since it is the evolution theory. But I do think it is a far more likely theory than the theory that some higher being created the cosmos and all that is in it in the period of 6 days.[/quote]
*facepalm*
I sincerely hope you were trolling before there AJ. But to @deputy: You also need to read the difference between a philosophical theory and a scientific theory.
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Male 809
DUH! ALL religions should work like this.
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Male 1,497
I have no beef with buddhist`s they aren`t preachy and believe in the inner self. Sounds better than some acient guy from the middle east dying for my sins. (too numerous to count)
Still an athiesst. If I ever see something that changes my mind then maybe... but I doubt it. Having died for about 2 minutes last year.

But that`s a different story.
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Male 21
Bravo ! I haven`t heard anything so profound from a religious leader in a long time ... If at all
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Male 28
Also, the main reason as an Atheist i leave Buddhism, is because they dont worship any God.

They follow the teachings of a man.
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Male 28
AH, the Dalai Lama. So desperatly trying to get back his slaves known as the Tibetans.
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Male 448
Well, marcus, to be honest, he is right, since it is the evolution theory. But I do think it is a far more likely theory than the theory that some higher being created the cosmos and all that is in it in the period of 6 days.
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Male 4,746
auburnjunky:
"Unless it proved there was a God."
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Seeing how it, combined with a little bit of common sense, has proven there is no Christian God, I don`t think we are ever in any danger of science proving the existence of any of the magical sky wizards that folks follow.

As for Buddhism, the idea of reincarnation is certainly an interesting one. Something that I don`t believe in but, at the same time, have not been able to disprove with science. Plus, I love the way they look at life. I think it`s the one belief system that I have any respect for.
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Male 1,931
There are forms of Buddhism which do depend upon the supernatural. Some of it depends on cheap tricks, others on a great deal of faith (I.E. the `Dalai Lama` being reincarnated).
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Male 172
So far all good points. Except that, most of China isn`t Buddhist. Buddhism is one of three religions that exist in China today. As for Japan it is almost mixed with Shinto and more indigenous beliefs. I woulden`t completely marginalize Buddhism.

Also, yes Buddhism does have a better track record. Can`t think of any Buddhists that act like those nuts at the West Boro Baptist Church.
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Male 2,220
Buddhism seems to be less assumptive than most religions... but its still a religion, therefore an irrational belief, likely to make people do irrational things.
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Male 2,220
Tsuroyu - not a good example, you might want to actually read the wiki content before you post a link to it. Aum Shinrikyo was a cult that included facets of buddhism alongside principles that contradicted buddhist teachings.
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Male 677
"Evolution is not a LAW of science yet"

Hahahahaha! Oh wow.
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Male 55
To anyone who thinks there have never been Buddhist extremists: Aum Shinrikyo.
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Male 104
@avatarjohn. the only thing anyone could prove to make atheism change is that there is at least one god.
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Male 303
@Jonno22: There has been incidents of people using buddhism to justify violence against others. Most recently in Thailand where some Buddhist extremists were "converting" christians at gunpoint and shooting them if they refused. This kind of thing happens less in buddhism, but it still happens. It seems non-nice individuals can use any idea to justify hurting others.
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Male 55
I have never known of a `Buddhist Extremist` waging war against another people in the name of their religion. I`m open to being corrected on that.

On the whole, in my experience, Buddhism is an entirely peaceful religion - introspective and calming.
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Male 7,123
`Evolution is not a LAW of science yet.`

Oh dear.
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Male 104
@auburnjunky you may want to brush up on "law" and "theory."
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Male 1,243
I have just the same gossamer thin veil of tolerance for Buddhism as I do for any other religion.
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Male 10,339
Keep in mind. Evolution is not a LAW of science yet. It`s likely that it will become one, but......
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Male 10,339
@Student Law: Does that mean once Science proves something, Christians accept it?

We are, as you say, awfully quiet about some of the things that are proven, and not in the bible.
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Male 38,468

Buddhism: the coolest of religions.
If you need to be an atheist in this life so be it,
you can have faith in the next life. Just something you
need to experience.
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Male 1,010
Hmm. A few hundred years ago Christians would burn you on a stake if you claimed that we were spinning around the sun. "It`s not in the bible", they`d say. They`re awfully quiet about that now, as we all ready went to the moon, and there are small cars driving around on Mars. One would think that there would be something about it in the Bible, no? How about all the other planets in all the galaxies and solar systems far away, that look exactly like Earth? Nothing in the Bible, no? There`s life out there, with all probability. Did Noah build an ark there as well? Does God only see planet Tellus, or are the other Gods for other planets where there are creatures?

Were God joking with us when he hid dinosaur bones so he could fool people and send them to hell for taking his "dinosaur- prank" serious? If so, he is a complete a55hole, for sure.
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Male 10,339
What numbers? You do know that Buddhists believe they can be reincarnated into all living things right? The numbers are conceivable. One can come back as a fly, and would be gone in 24 hours.

This is all assuming you mean Earth population numbers right?
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Male 208
Well let`s start with analyzing the concept of reincarnation. The numbers do not make sense.
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Male 10,339
[quote]"oh hey, cool, now we know more."[/quote]

Unless it proved there was a God.
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Female 519
Wouldn`t saying that be kind of redundant? Atheists believe in science, so yeah, if science proved something wrong about it they`d be like, "oh hey, cool, now we know more."


"AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 233 Posts Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:41:03 PM
"If science proves some belief of Athiesm wrong, then Athiesm will have to change."

--nobody (because Athiests are dicks)"
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Female 519
Can someone list a war waged over buddhism? They`re just genuinely good and reasonable people. That`s pretty much why no one dislikes them...
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Male 1,059
"If science proves some belief of Athiesm wrong, then Athiesm will have to change."

--nobody (because Athiests are dicks)
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Male 462
I agree with all of the below, plus I just think reincarnation sounds a whole lot better than an eternity of heaven
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Male 2,578
SarahofBorg is correct, it`s mostly a western phenomenon to anoint Buddhism to an almost mythical and pure status. It`s not infallible, though it certainly has a better track record than other religions.

And science has proven religions wrong, some in those religions are reluctant to change, yet many others embrace those changes. This is just human nature, scientists experience this same phenomenon. Just read a book about the history of science, you will not believe how many scientists would categorically reject the Plate Tectonic theory until they were on their deathbed.
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Male 4,793
That, and they don`t shove their stuff into our faces.
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Female 3,562
Science has proven a lot of religious beliefs wrong, and most religions won`t tolerate that at all.
Also, don`t forget there are PLENTY of horrible Buddhist people. Most of China is Buddhist and they have a very long list of historical atrocities. Same with India, which for centuries and to this day uses Buddhism as an excuse for discrimination. Even Japan is mostly Buddhist and they`re also in the crimes against humanity club. It`s just as intolerant as any other major religion.
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Female 362
I agree completely with OldOllie. I`m an atheist and I have no problem with religion or the religious. What I /do/ have a problem with is people using religion as an excuse for intolerance. The WBC, the KKK, the Hasidics airbrushing women out of the Situation Room photo. Buddhists believe in peace, understanding, and self reflection. They don`t care if somebody disagrees with their views and they don`t tell others how to live their lives unless they`re asked for advice.
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Male 21
They dont believe in an all knowing and all seeing deity either.
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Male 559
As an atheist, I don`t really have a problem with Christianity, or any religion for that matter. People can think the Earth is only 45 days old, flat, or the center of the universe. For the same reason, I don`t have any problem with polygamous marriage (provided everyone is of age and consenting) or dying someone`s own hair pink. I only have a problem with someone when they try to force their own beliefs on me.

That`s why I get enraged when I hear a Christian say that it`s a double standard when I `preach` tolerance. It won`t be a double standard until I either force them to marry someone of the same gender, or prevent them from marrying someone of the opposite gender!
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Male 1,197
this guy is badass, like a living god ...
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Male 2,345
it still isn`t a religion so that might be why atheists don`t bother them...oh and the fact that they aren`t running the country, converting people left and right, making religious based laws and then whining that everyone is out to get them (paranoid much).
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Male 15,832
Why do atheists leave Buddhism alone? Simple, because they leave us alone.
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Male 5,811
Link: Why Atheists Leave Buddhism Alone [Pic] [Rate Link] - What do you think, I-A-B? Should more religions adopt this approach?
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