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58 Responses to Jeep Grand Cherokee Driving Test

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 11:33 am
    Link: Jeep Grand Cherokee Driving Test - Um, OK... remind me to never buy a Jeep Grand Cherokee.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    August 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    Okay, you take one vehicle with a high center-of-gravity, and compare it with two vehicles with lower center-of-gravity, and expect the same result?

    It`s an SUV. You want something that corners, buy a corvette. You have to know the handling characteristics of your vehicle.
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    aroc91 Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    "Yeep" Grand Cherokee.

    I lol`d.
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    wolladude Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    Thats one sucky suv...
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    August 1, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    I used to like those cars... up until about 5 minutes ago when I watched this.

    MeGrendel, just because it`s an SUV doesn`t excuse the fact it rolled the tyres off the rims consistently like that.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee...Love It.
    But I don`t drive it like a sports car `cause it ain`t one.

    But mines older (2001 model) I want to buy a new car, but the damn Jeep wont die! I won`t dump a perfectly good car for style and the damn cheep American built car refuses to wear out on me so I can get a new toy... I mean car.
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    jeep cherokee used to be one of the best 4x4 for off roading.. this test is bogus
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    @grendel: A corvette ??!.. You made me chuckle! :D Get a Gumpert !

    On a serious note.. This shouldn`t happen.. Ever.. No point in trying to defend it, it`s a dangerous vehicle..
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    rncotton Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    Rollover protection must have worked ... it didn`t roll over, right? *sarcasm*
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    American vehicles. Owned `em before, will never own one again. Jap or German is the way to go...
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    August 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    Listypoos-"just because it`s an SUV doesn`t excuse the fact it rolled the tyres off the rims consistently like that"

    Give me any vehicle and I can show you something it fails at. Many vehicles will blow a tire if you drive it like that.

    Kain1-"No point in trying to defend it, it`s a dangerous vehicle.."

    Every vehicle is dangerous, if you attempt to drive it in a manner it`s not designed for.

    Gee, this Bugatti can`t handle a foot of water. Must be dangerous and a piece of crap.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    American vehicles. Owned `em before, will never own one again. Jap or German is the way to go...

    That`s pretty bias if you notice they mentioned the last issue like this was with a Mercedes. My girl has a Ford Focus with 180,000 miles on it think it`s a 2002 or 3 pretty good if ya ask me no major repairs BTW.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    That said this looks bad are the rims hitting the pavement during that??
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    "Many vehicles will blow a tire if you drive it like that"

    Well they said at the end of the video it was the most dangerous car they had tested in a while so one can assume that many cars don`t pop the tire off the rim under these circumstances.

    "It`s an SUV. You want something that corners, buy a corvette. You have to know the handling characteristics of your vehicle."

    This is a reasonable scenario, what if you had to swerve to avoid hitting someone / something suddenly? I sure as hell would prefer if my car performed better than that.
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
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    August 1, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    Yeah, remind me never to drive me Grand Cherokee like it`s a Porsche...
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    August 1, 2012 at 2:25 pm
    fuzzysheep-"they said at the end of the video it was the most dangerous car they had tested in a while"

    And Dateline NBC said that Chevy Pick-ups gas tanks tend to explode*. That cost them quite a bit of money had Jane Pauley had to air an apology.

    (*if you rig it to puncture and place some ignition sources on them).

    fuzzysheep-"what if "

    What if you drive through a flooded area in a civic. What if you are in the middle of a tornado in a semi.

    They proved this vehicle is not going to perform well in THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO that was set up specifically for this vehicle to perform poorly.

    I know my truck would not do near as well as the Cherokee in this test, that`s why I don`t drive it that way.
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    Gingertom Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    To those saying "well don`t drive your 4x4 like a supercar"; this is called the elk test (or moose test) for a reason. It is designed to simulate sudden evasive driving, as if you were avoiding a wild animal running out in front of the car (a serious problem in many parts of the world). As the VW and the Volvo showed, there is no reason why a car of this size and weight cannot perform these maneuvers perfectly safely. The Jeep is clearly fundamentaly flawed in terms of it`s dynamics.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    August 1, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    Gingertom-"As the VW and the Volvo showed...

    there was no comparison. Two vehicles with significantly different stances and lower center`s of gravity were able to accomplish a course that a vehicle with a higher center of gravity could not.

    I doubt this truck could do it either.



    What`s your point?
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    It`s an American car, and I`d imaigne the clientele that buy it are the kinda people that don`t much care for silly things like safety.
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    Gingertom Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    @MeGrendal: The VW Touran and Volvo XC90 are both in the same segment as the Jeep (large `SUVs`). As such, they share roughly similar dimensions and weight. However, as the video clearly shows, both were able to complete the test without issue.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    yeep <- lolz
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    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 3:27 pm
    Lesson #1 don’t fish hook a car when you are driving. you`ll throw the all the weight of the car to one side in any car.
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    FredSpudman Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    If a moose came out of nowhere and you hit it, it would kill you. The legs would be wiped out and it`s hefty weight would come through the windscreen at a velocity that would be terminal for the driver. People saying they wouldn`t drive their vehicle like this are not mindful that they might even need to suddenly swerve to avoid a person. Or would they just run them down because they would probably bounce off the vehicle?
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    Mr_Ike Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    @Megrendel,

    I dare say that truck WOULD be able to do it! Don`t underestimate the handling of modern trucks. They might be large and heavy but can still turn fast in an emergency!
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    August 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm
    Fack the moose-test. What happens if you have to swerve to avoid a child in the road?
    Tyres blow out?
    Vehicle loses control, mounts kerb, rolls over and kills a whole family?
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    NOCASH Male 18-29
    423 posts
    August 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm
    They arnt even traveling at highway speeds so those saying that they`re driving it like a sports car need to stick a sock in it already. Its an SUV just like the volvo and the vw, we dont classify vehicles by high centers of gravity unfortunately even though that is a factor in this test the jeep should still do better imo. Like someone stated, this test is supposed to simulate an evasive maneuver around a wild animal of significant size if it were to run out in front of you with minimal time to react. I would hate to see the results if they were cruising at speeds that actual highway traffic goes at which we all know tends to be around at least 10mph MORE then the posted speed limit. You always anticipate the worst case scenarios with these kinds of tests and its quite obvious that there is an issue that needs to addressed by jeep in regards to this vary possible scenario. Just because its american doesnt mean you have to defend it blindly, its only a vehicle not your country.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 5:39 pm
    this is an average test of emergency maneuverability and there are plenty of situations in which you may have to drive like this...namely if an object suddenly appears in your path, like a animal, person, another car, etc.

    the vovle and the VW were able to do this test without much drama, same set-up, same speed, same driver.

    the Jeep is a POS and always has been. they have more issues with the Grand Cherokee than they know what to do with. If it is not a roll over risk the damn things blow electrical all the time.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    MeGrendel

    I`m sorry what were you saying about lower centers of gravity? simply put you are totally and completely wrong. Below I have listed the acual ground hieght from each vehicle, in other words how high their center of gravity is...the Jeep and the Vovlo are DEAD EVEN while the VW is MUCH HIGHER off the ground...as in 3 inches high center of gravity.

    you can google this the same as I did. you should really check into this stuff before you start typing.


    Jeep Cherokee
    Ground clearance: 8.6 in.

    Vovlo

    Ground Clearance 8.6 inches

    VW
    Ground clearance is 11.8” – more than a Hummer H2.
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    Please all of you must remember that these tests are done at like 43mph... that`s nothing... at all. you know you go almost 80 on the highway and i see plenty of these year jeep cherokees on my highways.... it`s called the moose test but there are so many other things that would cause you to have to make a move like that.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    Below I have listed the acual ground hieght from each vehicle, in other words how high their center of gravity is

    ground clearance doesn`t tell you the story of center of gravity, it just says where it is above.

    if the seats of the volvo or VW are lower in the cabin compared to the jeep, the center of gravity is lower. plus, ground clearance just means where the lowest point of the car is, it could be almost anything, and hardly ever is the cabin (where the majority of car weight is.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
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    August 1, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    Yeep!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 1, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    I just saw it take enough lateral force to rip the front tire to shreds without tipping over. What the hell more do you want?

    Jesus Christ! It`s not a Ferrari; it`s a f***ing JEEP! If you want to drive a car that way on pavement, buy a car that`s designed to be driven that way on pavement.

    Just don`t whine to me when there`s 2` of snow on the ground, and you`re out of toilet paper.
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    GolfPunk69 Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 9:56 pm
    @jamie76 - center of gravity and ground clearance are in no way the same thing. Ground clearance is the distance from the bottom of the car to the ground, the cog is the point about which all weight is evenly distributed. If you mount the engine in a car a couple of inches lower it has a massive difference to the cog.

    @oldollie - I want a car that should I be unlucky enough to have a moose or small child run out in front of me while traveling at a decent speed won`t put me or anyone else at very serious risk. The reason the tyre pops isn`t just the force on it, it`s also the angle upon which the force is applied I.e. the massive rolling action.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 1, 2012 at 10:08 pm
    I want a car that should I be unlucky enough to have a moose or small child run out in front of me while traveling at a decent speed won`t put me or anyone else at very serious risk.
    In 99% of these cases, there will be no difference in the outcome -- either both cars will hit the moose, or neither will. However, in those cases when I hit the moose, I would rather be in something substantial that has a better chance of surviving the hit.

    BTW, I don`t know about children where you live, but around here, they don`t jump out onto highways from behind trees at night. Unless they do that, there`s no excuse for hitting one no matter what you are driving.

    And just for the record, a Jeep Grand Cherokee can pull 0.9 g on a skidpad and has a 60-0 braking distance of 116 feet. In other words, this video is pure bull$#!+.
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    photomstr Male 50-59
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    August 1, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    It is not a sports car it is a utility vehicle. Goes anywhere . . . drives like a truck . . . because . . . maybe it IS a truck . . . I`d like to see a F150 do the moose test! yuk yuk or a dodge ram! snicker snicker
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    photomstr Male 50-59
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    August 1, 2012 at 10:14 pm
    @jamie76 - I know `mecan schools are bad but really, dude, center of gravity does NOT equal ground clearance . . . sheesh, `mercan schools sux
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    NOCASH Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 10:24 pm
    You can obviously tell who bought jeep grand cherokee`s here lol.
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    NOCASH Male 18-29
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    August 1, 2012 at 10:44 pm
    OldOllie, then the vw or volvo would be a great vehicle for you as they actually have the ability to swerve without highsiding like the jeep and they all weigh relatively the same weight and for your means will accomplish whatever task you need it to unless your some macho bad ass who just needs to have the jeep because it can pull .9g on the skid pad or w/e, care to provide the braking distance of the other two vehicles? The test was done at just below 50mph imagine cruising at actual highway speeds at night and that moose or deer just comes out of nowhere and your natural instinct is gunna be to jerk the wheel, good luck keeping the jeep rubber side down. If you hit a moose at highway speeds your odds of living are slim to none doesnt matter what your in unless its a semi and even then the truck would more then likely have substantial damage or be written off.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    Fark that. Gimme a landrover any day. Indian engineering at its finest.

    (No, seriously, gimme a landrover). If you`re gonna buy a SUV, buy a proper SUV, not a pretend one that you`re never gonna drive off road, ever.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    August 1, 2012 at 11:09 pm
    I just saw it take enough lateral force to rip the front tire to shreds without tipping over. What the hell more do you want?

    ------
    How about the tyre not exploding???
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 1, 2012 at 11:27 pm
    NOCASH, you can flip a Formula 1 car if you drive it like an idiot. I could get a Volvo XC-90 or a VW Toureg up on 2 wheels if I was trying to do it on purpose. I`ve have had a few close calls, and I`ve come through them all unscathed. The secret is know what your can can and cannot do, and not totally spaz out like a fapping retard.

    I know my Jeep is not a Corvette, but it can go a lot of places that a Corvette can`t, like to work or to the store in a foot of snow, or to some really nice fishing spots, or to the dump with a load of tree trimmings, and I can do it for a fraction of the price of that overpriced European crap.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 1, 2012 at 11:28 pm
    How about the tyre not exploding???
    Uhhh, Jeep doesn`t make the tires (or the tyres, either).
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    GolfPunk69 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2012 at 12:28 am
    In 99% of these cases, there will be no difference in the outcome

    99% of your statistics are made up.

    43mph is barely fast enough to get done for speeding on a city street in Sydney (most streets are 60kph limit) so children running out on the road is a very real problem.

    And the comparison wasn`t between a corvette and a Jeep. It was between a Jeep and a couple of other Chelsea tractors in it`s class. It`s helpful to everyone in the discussion if you try to stay on topic.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2012 at 12:49 am
    I`d love to see a landrover or a toyota landcruiser take the moose test. I really don`t care about all the excuses from jeep owners that you wouldn`t drive your car like that, I call BS, so you don`t drive your jeep over 40 miles an hour? you wouldn`t instinctively take evasive action if something popped up in front of you?
    I`d be calling my dealer and asking for a refund. this car is dangerous.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2012 at 12:52 am
    photomstr

    I understand that ground clearance itself is not soley responsible for the vehicle`s center of gravity but it has a very large influence on it. These vehicles all have about the same level of ground clearance and the same center of gravity, they also all have about the same weight distribution between front and rear and they all come equipped with at least 17x8 inch tires.

    before you assume that I do not know much about cars you should know that I am a car enthusaist and currently own a 350Z which I have modd`d pretty decently with mostly bolt-ons (no FI as of yet) and I have a SUV and it handles very well for a larger vehicle.

    the three SUVs in this test were tested against each other because they are all in the same class and are expected to compete against one another in the sales market. Clearly, the two Euro models are far superior in handling.
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    phil7243 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2012 at 1:00 am
    "Two vehicles with significantly different stances and lower center`s of gravity were able to accomplish a course that a vehicle with a higher center of gravity could not. "

    Isn`t having a higher center of gravity a design flaw? If there are other vehicles in the class which have lower centres of gravity wouldn`t that prove that the Jeep is inferior in this aspect?

    Also this test was done by a professional driver who could control the vehicle after the turn, how`s your average person going to react to a blown tyre?
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2012 at 1:10 am
    photomstr
    While I was being very general using the ground clearance to suggest the center of gravity I will get technical sense you seem to be calling me out...and racist.

    the VW specs
    Wheelbase 113.9 in
    Front Track 65.0 in
    Rear Track 65.7 in
    Length 188.8 in
    Width 76.4 in
    Height 68.2 in
    Ground Clearance 11.3 in
    Weight 4470
    The Jeep
    Length: 189.8 in.
    Width: 76.5 in.
    Height: 69.3 in.
    Wheelbase: 114.8 in.
    Ground Clearance: 8.6 in.
    Front Track: 63.9 in.
    Rear Track: 64.1 in.
    weight: 4711
    the jeep is nearly 300lbs less, which should help it handle lateral G`s more effectively...however it does not.

    these two vehicles have nearly the same if not the same center of gravity as you can see. The biggest difference is the VW has 18 inch tires, the Jeep 17...that may help the VW a little but not much. However, since the VW is 3 inches higher, I would say they are even there.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2012 at 1:13 am
    sorry, I mixed up the weights between the Jeep and the VW, it should read other way round. the Jeep is 4,470lbs in the trim level described in the test, the VW is 4,711lbs.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2012 at 1:24 am
    NOW, I am going to get even more technical...the post size limit makes multiple post necessary.

    for an SUV to be stable, its center of gravity must be well within it`s wheelbase. if the center of gravity starts to move outside the vehicle`s footprint due to angular momentum it will tip over rather easily. Rollover accidents are directly related to a vehicle`s stability in turns. That stability is influenced by the relationship between the center of gravity and the track width (distance between the left and right wheels) both the Jeep and the VW have near exactly the same track, with the jeep having a slightly smaller track in both front and rear but remember, it is LOWER to the ground, which does matter.
    as it has been seen by my previous post, these two vehicles are near identical.

    the main difference I would say is the VW has a better suspension set up that does a better job of keeping the COG inside the vehicle`s track.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2012 at 1:29 am
    darkmagic14n

    ground clerance is typically measured as you said from the lowest point of the vehicle, however, IME most vehicles are measured by where there rockers are in relation to the ground since most manufactures try to keep the undercarriage up slightly above that point to protect the tranny, oil pan, etc.

    though having said that, most vehicles will come down slightly lower than the rockers in terms of the exhaust.

    I have a 350Z and the rockers denote the ground clearance pretty well except for where my X-pipe is...that is slightly lower due to the way it is set up but not enough to really notice.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2012 at 5:28 am
    Quite clearly the cars fault, it rolls too much on entry, skips over in the transition to load up the outer wheels to the point where they fold and the tyre blows. The other two cars didn`t roll as much at initial entry and hence a lot less drama despite them fulfilling the same (flawed) design remit.

    Defending this woeful performance colours you stupid.

    This car has been shown to have unsafe handling at 43mph. If it was purely a utility vehicle limited to 30mph that might be excusable. It isn`t.

    Of course you can drive one and if your lucky you`ll never encounter the flaw. Luck, not judgement.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2012 at 5:57 am
    @Fwoggie2

    You like those overpriced boxes on wheels?? I convienently couldn`t find a moose test for them. Here`s some food for thought the other two SUVs are produced in said test country and the Germans have tested the same with much different results.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2012 at 6:45 am
    That is why you buy from the former Axis Powers if you value your life.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    Lol - this from auto-motor-und-sport

    When translated

    "The new Jeep Grand Cherokee overturned even at higher speeds, fully staffed and burdened..."

    Nicely taken out of context, but it made me laugh.

    Anyway.. interesting... but no video and no lawsuit.. it still a big fat turd on wheels.

    (the VW isn`t built in Sweden by the way)
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    NOCASH Male 18-29
    423 posts
    August 2, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    OldOllie is old and has mistaken the vw and volvo for a corvette and a F1 car apparently, get your glasses checked or something. They arnt driving like idiots, the test replicates a very probable scenario which has been mentioned numerous times and was kinda the whole point of the video but its quite obvious thats all gone clear over your head. Come back to debate when your on topic. How much coin did your cheap american jeep run you anyways compared to those expensive european SUV`s? If i had a family and was looking for a SUV the grand cherokee would not even be on the list.

    On another note, i wouldnt mind risking my own life in an SRT8 grand cherokee for a few hours lol :D
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2012 at 9:08 pm
    Mr_Ike-"I dare say that truck WOULD be able to do it!"

    Actually, I picked a concrete truck for a reason. A concrete truck with a full load has the majority of it`s load crawling up on side of the cylinder due to it`s rotation. Thus it can hand a turn in one direction great, in the other, crappy.

    jamie76-"Below I have listed the acual ground hieght from each vehicle"

    Sorry, ground height does not equal center of gravity. You also has to include factors of wheelbase, width and construction.

    NOCASH-"You can obviously tell who bought jeep grand cherokee`s "

    Not really, I prefer the CJ. Can`t stand the cherokee.

    phil7243-"Isn`t having a higher center of gravity a design flaw?"

    Nope, just a matter of design, period. Some people prefer things that result in a higher center of gravity.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2012 at 8:36 am
    High centre of gravity and wheels on a road can never be a good thing.

    Well.. not often anyway.

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    CaptainPabst Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    meh - Im sure to be fine in my Jeep SPORT Cherokee... right?

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