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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 3:01 pm
    Link: Honor Killer Proud - Honor killer proud of killing wife, sister-in-law, and mother-in-law. Peaceful religion. Story in credits link below.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2012 at 4:50 pm
    no more peacefull than Christians.No less peacefull either.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2012 at 4:51 pm
    "Peaceful religion"

    I`m getting pretty tired of hearing Islamophobes say this. ANY religion or philosophy is what individuals make of it. How many murders have been carried out in the name of the Judeo-Christian God? How many people died at the hands of the Nazis, who were partially influenced by Nietzsche? Islam just happens to be the most widely expanding religion of today, so it`s going through its own inner turmoil, just as Christianity did for many centuries.
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
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    August 26, 2012 at 5:07 pm
    All "religions" are the same . Justifies killing for MY god. F"ck `em all!!!!!
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    These are called "crimes of passion" over here. Don`t act like murder doesn`t happen.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    "Peaceful religion"

    It`s not the religion. It`s the culture. They are so intertwined over there that we can`t tell the difference. But it`s there.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    August 26, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    I`m getting pretty tired of Islamic apologists claiming that it`s not the fault of the religion but the individuals who carry out these crimes. No, it`s the religion, whether written that way or just as it is practiced, that sets up men as demigods and women as disposable indentured servants. An atheist or man of another religion may kill, but he does not kill because the dog - er, wife - cooked a meal he thought poor and "shamed" him, as has happened where I live. They do not shoot daughters because they turned down an arranged marriage, nor their wives` families because they failed to raise a proper slave. Some Muslims do.
    Muslims who act like caring, progressive members of modern society do so in spite of their religion, not because of it. The religion has much to answer for.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    FoolsPrussia - can you defend this without comparing it to Christianity? The Christianity of the MIddle Ages at that?

    Zeegrr60 - so all religions on Earth, in the year 2012, are of exactly equal peacefulness? Bizarre, unscientific, and defies evidence.

    paperduck - What about when these honor killings happen in the West? These killings happen because of the religion. Normally here, nobody kills their daughter and her entire family if she wears a skirt. That`s the difference.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/03/world/europe/uk-shafilea-honor-murder/index.html

    It`s just weird that it seems the same people who attack Christianity are the staunchest defenders of Islam, despite the fact that even moderate Muslims make the average American Conservatives look totally liberal. I am not religious, but since I`
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    ....I`m not dumb, it`s abundantly clear that Islam is exceedingly conservative and radical.

    And I have plenty of personal experience with this, too. I have a friend from UAE who is going to be forced to marry, just as her mom, when she finishes her master`s degree. And that`s a rather "progressive" Muslim country. It`s too systematic. It`s in the religion, it`s in the culture. Something needs to change before they can join the civilized world.
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    It`s the religion:

    Quran 4:15 "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way."
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2012 at 8:10 pm
    "It`s not the religion. It`s the culture. They are so intertwined over there that we can`t tell the difference. But it`s there."

    The religion contains the instructions for murder. The culture requires that the religious law is acted upon. Both are culpable.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    Meh. It`s not a Muslim thing, it`s a religion thing. Christianity, Islam, Judaism all use the same f*cking book, if you take it back to source. It`s the Abrahamic monotheistic God. And it`s the same misogynistic, women-oppressing bullcum.

    Allow me to climb the pulpit for a second and read some quotes from the Bible *clears throat* (Link to The Holy Bible verse here)
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

    Correct me if I`m wrong, but that`s basically:

    "Shut the f*ck up bitch and make me a sammich before I slap you. It was all your fault in the first place. Now bend over: You`re about to bear me another child."
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    Christianity is in no position to chastise Islam. It`s akin to McDonald`s criticizing Burger King because they put too much ketchup on their burgers. It`s an internal pissing match. Guess what? They`re both burgers, made from the same f*cking recipe to begin with.

    And some of us don`t give a f*ck, because we don`t eat burgers.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    davymid: Christianity is in no position to chastise Islam.

    Atheists are in no position to chastise Christians either. Tens of millions have been killed by atheist communist regimes.

    Christians don`t stone people to death, cut off women`s clits, or commit these `Honor Killings`.

    So take your condescending BS and shove it Davy.
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    SethDog Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    What has religion got to do with this? poo like this happens all over the world and in every religion and Atheism. The reason he killed her was because of the suspected cheating, he did not mention that it was his "religious duty" Don`t make out that this doesn`t happen in the USA because it does..
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    Tay-Dor Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    I suppose its easy to forget what it says in Ephesians 5:28. "In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-- "

    For Christians, we are to honor our wives.
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    @CackrJak and Tay_Dor
    What your bible say about women who aren`t virgins on their wedding night.

    If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel`s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel`s father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter`s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father`s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.

    Deuteronomy 22:13-21
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    This what the christian bible says about adultery

    "If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city."

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 9:07 pm
    According to the christian bible 99% of the people on this site should be dead.

    "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him."

    Leviticus 24:16
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    The difference, El_Chinche, is that modern Christians/Jews don`t practice the honor killings, or whatever the hell you want to call them, whereas the Muslims do.

    As someone else said, their religion and culture are far too intertwined.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 26, 2012 at 9:53 pm
    I don`t have a problem with Muslims killing each other.
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2012 at 9:54 pm
    You`re right DuckBoy87, it is a culture thing. The far right extremists of the middle east have hijacked the muslim religion and brought back to it`s stone age roots. Roots that it shares with all judeo-christian mythology. My point was , if i may quote a famous mythological figure:

    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" john 8:7

    And not all modern day christians are peace loving and christ-like

    The difference is proportion, in the west the far right christian wackadoos are still thankfully in the minority, but they are there and they would love nothing more than to bring the world back to it`s stone age roots because their magical book says they can.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 26, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    What a beautiful story of honor and self-sacrifice.
    This makes me think the liberals are right when they say
    we should respect and embrace ALL cultures. He kept his
    families honor intact so kudos to him.





    right?



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    Jonno22 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2012 at 12:37 am
    I am sick of ignorant idiots.

    If I killed all the first born sons of everyone in the town I live and claimed it was for Christianity, would it be because Christianity wasn`t a "peaceful religion"? Or would I just be a lone psychotic nut who`s religious?

    You people wind me up.
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    tsiemens Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 2:40 am
    Isn`t a soldier killing the enemy considered an honor killing? Most people honor and praise soldiers to no end.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 27, 2012 at 3:19 am
    El_Chinche: You can quote Deuteronomy and Leviticus all you want, Fact is Jewish mosaic law doesn`t apply anymore and Christ himself said so.
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    dirtysteve00 Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 6:00 am
    I don`t like the cowardly way `peaceful religion` is put in the caption.

    If you want to have a go, do it, don`t be a poof about it, insinuating your views.
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    Saunder Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 6:10 am
    Take it from a Dutch guy who married a Muslim; this has nothing to do with religion but with culture. A Muslim can never kill anyone and `get away with it`. Simply put: you kill someone for whatever reason and you`re no longer a Muslim. Those honorkillings are because of retarded culture, not retarded religion.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    August 27, 2012 at 6:18 am
    Funny how I`ve worked with Muslims all these years and they`ve been friendly and warm and kind and never killed my profane heathen ass even once. I guess they`re waiting for just the right moment?

    It`s culture, not the religion. Same thing applies when some bunch of dumbass rednecks get together and kill a gay dude; the rednecks are all regular members of the First Dumbass Baptist Church, but that doesn`t make their act a Christian one.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 7:20 am
    Tens of millions have been killed by atheist communist regimes.
    This is just stupid. Correlation implying causation. They didn`t do it because they hated religious people, they did it because they were greedy, immoral and hungry for power. Same as how just because Hitler was Christian doesn`t mean he did what he did BECAUSE he was Christian. Stop this nonsense.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 27, 2012 at 8:01 am
    patchgrabber" They didn`t do it because they hated religious people, they did it because they were greedy, immoral and hungry for power.

    No they did it because they wanted their leaders worshiped like gods and religion stood in the way of that. Also, as you said, came immorality. Without religion there is no moral guidance except what the state says is legal.

    Atheism and Communism are tied at the hip. I don`t know of even one atheist that believes in capitalism, would salute the American flag, or even stand during the national anthem.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 8:22 am
    Without religion there is no moral guidance except what the state says is legal.
    orly? Well let`s dissect this: Either one`s motives for following the "moral" word of God are moral motives, or they are not. If they are, then that person is already equipped with moral motivations, and the introduction of God adds nothing extra. But if they are not moral motives, then they will be motives that cannot appropriately motivate morality at all. The conclusion being that any appeal to God either adds to nothing at all, or it adds the wrong sort of thing. To take it further, how can an action be moral if the alternative is infinite punishment?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 8:27 am
    And nice job trying to connect atheism with anti-Americanism and communism. I guess it must mean that Christianity and fascism are tied at the hip too then, huh?
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2012 at 11:53 am
    Uhhhh... Crakr? I hate religion, I don`t find it useful for myself, though I will not impede on others` religions so long as they don`t impede on mine, or thereof lack of religion, and generally vote for Republican ie being patriotic, standing for the SSB, etc.

    That last statement of yours is pretty dumbfounding.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2012 at 11:57 am
    Andrew155: I don`t think you understood what I meant. When this sort of thing happens in the United States or europe (and it does happen, do some google searches) it`s not called "honor killing", but it`s basically the same thing. Someone gets killed because someone else suspects infidelity.

    "Crime of Passion" from Wiki:
    A typical crime of passion might involve a husband who discovers his wife has made him a cuckold and proceeds to brutally batter or even kill his wife and the man with whom she was involved.

    Don`t be so naive to think this never happens in the US.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    This has very little to do with religion. I know that`s a psychologically safe place to categorize it and separate yourself from it, but the fact is, we have different words to describe similar behavior. "temporary insanity", "crime of passion", etc. everyone, EVEN YOU, has their buttons. And when they`re pressed, people react pretty much the same.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    I always have to question those video cuts like this.. you could basically make someone say something they never said with them.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 2:07 pm
    Sad but true, these things do happen even in the more developed countries of the world.
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    Simbosan Male 40-49
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    August 27, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    Crakr: "Without religion there is no moral guidance except what the state says is legal."

    What you mean is, YOU have no moral sense other than that you picked up out of a 2000 year old book. YOU have no concept of right and wrong aside from what you are told at church.

    YOU are amoral, you have no moral compass. You would gladly kill if your pastor told you to.

    A psychopath can be defined as someone with no moral judgement. Sounds like you.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    August 27, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    "This has very little to do with religion. I know that`s a psychologically safe place to categorize it and separate yourself from it, but the fact is, we have different words to describe similar behavior. "temporary insanity", "crime of passion", etc."

    If you believe that then I hope your daughter goes to Pakistan to get married. She may not come back in a jar; I hope she prospers, but you will have ample opportunity to question your statement as you wonder after her well-being.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    August 27, 2012 at 7:08 pm
    That`s an entire culture so messed up in the head that they (yes, pretty much all of them) consider it to be a matter of honour to murder defenceless women for having been perceived to have failed to submit to male authority? This culture is to intent about this that even when they immigrate to other countries second generation immigrants still won`t integrate into the new society and still consider it an inescapable matter of honour to commit these deeds?

    As an immigrant of sorts myself, I would expect to be shown the door (or a firing squad) if I massacred my in-laws.

    What`s wrong with these people? Religion.

    Saddest thing is, in Pakistan, he`d get no more than three years apiece, running concurrently. Then a party and congratulations. Wahey, he`s a hero of the community.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 7:18 pm
    The parents have English accents, they are not outsiders, they are English. They tried to hide it because they know that it is not acceptable in their culture.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    Crakrjak said: Atheism and Communism are tied at the hip. I don`t know of even one atheist that believes in capitalism, would salute the American flag, or even stand during the national anthem.
    Patchgrabber countered: And nice job trying to connect atheism with anti-Americanism and communism. I guess it must mean that Christianity and fascism are tied at the hip too then, huh?
    Patch, save your breath. I`ve been through the mill with Crackrjak (and many others like him) before.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    Most sane, rational people, professional academic or layman, will concede that the Communist regimes and the Fascist regimes of the 20th century were examples of wrong on opposite ends of the spectrum. Communism being the left gone too far, and Fascism the right gone too far, respectively.

    Not Crackrjak though. No, he clings to a higher credence. Apparently, as he`s dictated to me many times before, Fascism is in fact also extreme left. He`s pointed out to me many times in such debates that the very name of the poster-boy for fascism, the Nazis, was short for National Socialists! Imagine!
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    In other news, the f*cking warzone that is the Democratic Republic of the Congo ain`t necessarily Democratic. North f*cking Korea, official name the Democratic People`s Republic of Korea, ain`t necessarily that Democratic either.

    But no. This dick called Crackrjak will turn the tables around on everything, including redefining the f*cking dictionary where appropriate. Everything that smacks of atheism, science, liberalism, environmentalism, is inherently evil and anti-American. Because his Bible tells him so. Ask him about Evolution some day, and he`ll tell you how there`s no such thing. Seriously, the man`s a dick.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    One final word. The greatest hypocrisy is that Crakrjak himself (correct me if I`m wrong Crackrjak) is long term unemployed/disabled. Crakrjak, you`ve been suckling off the government teat for, what, a decade now? How do you equate, in your world-view, that everything vaguely socialist is anti-American, when without that you`d be on the streets?

    Final final note: As a non-American, I salute the American flag at every opportunity. I have a very deep respect for Americans, as something of a historian of WWII in Europe. THOSE were Americans.

    Crakrjak, I have no respect for people like you.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm
    The reason he killed her was because of the suspected cheating,
    @SethDog: He also killed her sister AND her mother. 3 women were killed.

    @El_Chinche: As @CrakrJak mentioned: Old Testament laws don`t apply to Christians. They CAN use them as "guides" but NOT to over-rule New Testament teachings. Get it?

    Isn`t a soldier killing the enemy considered an honor killing?
    @tsiemens: Honor-ABLE! Soldiers killing other soldier in battle is "honorable" - NOT the same at all.

    @paperduck: "Crimes of Passion" tend to happen really suddenly, this guy planned it carefully. Also: most who commit CoP regret it afterwards, not brag about it!
    And while it USED TO be an excuse in our culture, it`s been quite a long time since the courts let someone go for CoP mass murder, eh?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 27, 2012 at 10:28 pm
    One final word. The greatest hypocrisy is that Crakrjak himself (correct me if I`m wrong Crackrjak) is long term unemployed/disabled.
    @davymid: Has @madest hacked your account? HE complains about that a lot, eh?
    And I write angry letters to @FancyLad protesting it... I guess you`re getting one also.

    As I understand it: He PAID FOR insurance during his working years. Becoming unable to work he CLAIMED that insurance (in whatever form it is).

    IT IS HIS RIGHT to do so. Not "option" or "he`s allowed to" it`s his RIGHT. Neither you, nor ANYONE ELSE can deny that right, ok?

    Attacking him because he excercised his rights is EXACTLY the same as telling him "N*ggers ride in the back of the bus - that`s the law!". Worse ever.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 27, 2012 at 10:48 pm
    *Worse even.

    To say "you cannot have the same rights as me because you like a different political system (or Party)" is just as bigoted, in my books, as racism, sexism or any other -isms.



    The "far right" and the "far left" (Fascism and Communism) are the same damn thing! Bob Dobbs said so!

    Cut me some Slack, eh?
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
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    August 28, 2012 at 6:53 am
    "As a non-American, I salute the American flag at every opportunity. I have a very deep respect for Americans, as something of a historian of WWII in Europe. THOSE were Americans."

    I remember you once saying that you hate nationalism. Why do you salute our flag then?

    I`m not trying to start an argument, but more hoping to get a new perspective.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    August 28, 2012 at 7:47 am
    Didn`t Muhammed bang a 9 year old....
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    kasuko Male 30-39
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    August 28, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    That translation was not TRUE to what the man actually was saying. The way the translations were worded shows that the interpreter had a bias against that culture / religion. Remember guys, we used to do the very same thing as little as a 100 years ago. These people are much poorer TODAY than we were 100 years ago. They are generally illiterate or at best educated by religious community centers that teach them this manner is the CORRECT manner of living. I am not condoning this activity by any means, I am just trying to even the playing field before accusations are blindly put forth.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 31, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    Atheism and Communism are tied at the hip. I don`t know of even one atheist that believes in capitalism, would salute the American flag, or even stand during the national anthem.



    "As an atheist capitalist I say bull5h17 to that."

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