Coal Miners Forced To Attend Romney Event [Pic+]

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago in

Mandatory attendance and donations were required from coal miners in Wheeling, WV. Is this blackmail in the workplace?
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Female 2,525
HI SQURLY! Thank yav :)
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Male 14,331
[quote]I now run my own company.
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How`s the web cam and meth lab going????
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Female 2,602

My early experience of having a blue collar job myself is where my views on this particular topic come from. I don`t believe for one minute that anyone would have lost their job merely for failing to attend a political event in their free time. Not in the Land of We Will Sue For Any Reason However Stupid.

It just smells like so much blue collar BS and bitching to me. And that`s coming from someone that started out in a working-class family, with a low-grade, low-paid working-class job. The only reason I`ve done better for myself these days, some 23 years later, is that I didn`t spend my time bitching about non-events like this guff when I had the opportunity to do so, and instead got off my arse and worked for what I wanted to achieve.
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Female 2,602
[quote]@MacGuffin,

I generally find you make a lot of sense but you are dead wrong here. If you live in a company town your ability to support your family is en prise to the company. That`s why we invented unions.[/quote]

I`m as liberally left as they come. In my first two years out of school, aged 16, I used to work in the Shipyards on the Clyde in a menial job. Only later did I go to University and make something of my life. I now run my own company.

No offence, LJ, but guys that do blue collar work don`t need much of an excuse to down tools in my experience. And they need don`t need much encouragement to bitch about it afterwards. They`re typically decent guys individually. But, as a collective, they do some pretty stupid and counter-productive things, then have a propensity for blaming everyone else for the blowback of their collective group decisions.

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Male 14,331
Both parties do this.

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Male 7,378
It was MANDATORY. If you didn`t go you`d be fired. They only revised that when questioned by reporters. If I were a miner I`d have been fired then I`d retire on the money I`d receive in settlement from the suit I`d bring.
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Male 7,123
So basically you lose a day`s work and a day`s pay, you have to make it up in overtime but if you choose not to attend the rally your name vill go on ze list. So when job cuts are made you know damn well who is first out the door.

The only other jobs available (if any) pay half the money so good chance of losing your house, forget about the kid`s college fund and presumably health insurance.

I`m sure Mitt wasn`t aware, he has always set his face against treating workers as disposable peons. He would be shocked, shocked, to discover such crudely exploitative methods among his supporters.

@MacGuffin,

I generally find you make a lot of sense but you are dead wrong here. If you live in a company town your ability to support your family is en prise to the company. That`s why we invented unions.
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Female 2,602
[quote]@MacGuffin

You are an ignorant idiot. I will inform you as to why you are.

The coal miners are skilled laborers[/quote]

Oh FFS, shut the hell up. I`ve not argued that mining isn`t skilled labour, despite various numpties like you trying to convert my actual point into that separate and unrelated argument. Indeed, the only people that *have* said mining is unskilled work are those using the idea that they are easily-replaceable as "evidence" for them being consequently easy to coerce into attending this event without their consent.

My point, my only point, is: they didn`t *have* to go to this event, they didn`t have the balls to say "no", then they bitched about not having the balls to say "no" after the event. That is all. The end. My sole point. Get it?, got it now? Good.
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Male 15,187
I would have attended with an air-horn.
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Male 7,123
`attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend the event.`

That clears that up. Presumably it was also mandatory to get covered in coal dust.

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Male 39,603

Did you get the sarcasm?
I wasn`t sure it came acrossed.
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Male 39,603

What`s the problem?
All the pro-football teams have cheerleaders and they don`t get paid.
Same thing really.
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Male 17,512
Ollie, is correct. Obama`s EPA and Energy Dept. have shuttered over 100 coal fired power plants nationwide. That has not only left coal miners without jobs, but also made our power grid more fragile and more vulnerable to attack.

Obama`s Dept. of Energy head, Chu killed one of the best projects for the future of coal, FutureGen, which would`ve gave us clean energy through coal gassification and CO2 sequestration.
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Male 15,832
In case you missed it, this is why they`re out there.
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Male 17,512
Nevermind Davy, he`s just pissed that Obama turned out to be a SCOAMF and that Romney is going to win.
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Male 12,138
Important to know what you`re dealing with, when you`re dealing with the man with his finger on the big red button.

You`re in hard shape when you look and say, "I`ll take one of those two twats, over THAT mentalist"
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Male 12,138
Hold on, I`ve been trying to follow the crazy mindf*ck that is the Republican Party Nominee, but it`s hard to follow.

Which one was he now? Was he the one who equated being gay with f*cking animals and children? No wait, that was Rick Santorum.

Or maybe the other guy, the one who preached family values while f*cking his aide, only to marry her and divorce his cancerous wife. On his 3rd marriage now... No wait, that was Newt Gingritch.

OK, Mitt Romney, got him now.

He`s the one who believes in magic underwear for protection from evil spirits, that some dude called Joseph Smith sits at the right hand of Jesus, and that the Garden of Eden was situated in somewhere in Missouri, USA. For a second there I was scared, I thought it might have been a F*cking crazy moonbat.
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Female 3,562
Obviously it`s not fair to force your employees to attend a political event, pay or no pay. Their entire argument is that "this benefits mining and therefore it`s part of their job." This means that if you disagree with the employer`s political views you`re fired.
Plus, I love how it goes on to say that the company complains the reason they have so much trouble is because they`re over-regulated, but they`re also the same ones that had the near-tragic mining accident a few years ago that led to better regulation. Basically, they`re saying that safety regulations are killing their business, and they`d be better of risking their employee`s safety than risking their profits. Might as well go back to the old days of forcing orphan children to crawl into coal mines for no pay, doesn`t matter as long as coal is profitable.
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Male 884
Please look at this before you comment.
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Male 5,620
Oh, and for the record I have more posts than you, so that makes me somehow more "informed" than you.

Idiot.
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Male 5,620
There aren`t jobs that coal miners can just go to. Regardless of being experts in equipment operation, explosives handling, and mining safety. Which, by the way, entails having a fairly high sense of self preservation and intelligence.

The jobs in the area that are available to them include fast food, garbage man, unskilled laborer on job sites, etc. Which, pays around 12-20k a year.

You are basically asking them to drop half their pay for no real reward because someone is a dick.

Eurotrash.
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Male 5,620
@MacGuffin

You are an ignorant idiot. I will inform you as to why you are.

The coal miners are skilled laborers. They are skilled at mining coal. They have to know how to drive complicated equipment (equipment that sometimes costs upwards of millions of dollars), down to equipment that costs 30-45k (backhoes for example).

Additionally, they are required to attend "college like" courses on mining safety, explosives handling, physical health, mental health, etc etc etc.

They also have a base knowledge of handling explosives.

The average coal mining job in Kentucky pays around 45k a year. I don`t know what Ohio coal workers make, but I wager it is similar.

You are suggesting that these skilled laborers basically fuc|< off and go find another job.

Now, allow me to inform you about the coal belt.

High numbers of people are unemployed. National averages range in the 8-9% area; whereas in the coal belt
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Female 2,602
[quote]MacGuffin is a troll, don`t bite. [/quote]

Interesting that you should take that view, simbosan, with your whole 59 posts and zero links on this site. Did you come to that opinion after a long and considered read through my comparative 1900-odd posts and thirty or so contributions? Or was it just easier than addressing the substance of an opinion I expressed that you didn`t happen to like but were too witless to refute?

As Markust said, this is a non-story. There`s a lot more going on in the world worth worrying about than some miners that didn`t have the balls to tell their bosses to get lost when they were asked to spend some of their free time in this activity, then bitched and moaned about it like a bunch of cry babies afterwards. They should dry their eyes and get back to work. In terms of sympathy, this is all I`ve got for them:



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Male 2,143
Well, can`t force them to vote for the greedy bastard. All part of the arrogance of the republican party. God`s gonna get ya for that, Mitt.
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Male 4,854
"Typical of the democrats to accuse the republicans of the misdeeds they do themselves."

That sentence could be an endless loop of all the crap both sides do. Why would you even get mad at this? What a waste of energy.
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Male 13,630
Interesting, cant comment as Im in Blighty,
But the British government aint that clever!!
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Male 17,512
It`s a lie. No one was forced to go or contribute.

This is a distraction from the fact that many teachers were forced to attend Obama`s campaign events by the teachers unions and teachers union funds are being used to donate to his campaign.

Typical of the democrats to accuse the republicans of the misdeeds they do themselves.
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Male 6,227
Zombunny! Long time no see. Your profile pic looks awesome. --Yours, Mr. Squrlz. =^.^=
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Male 159
MacGuffin is a troll, don`t bite.

Love this quote "We had managers that communicated to our work force that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend the event."

This word mandatory, I do not think it means what Romney thinks it means.

Vote for Romney, be a slave
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Male 67
Well, if it is true about compulsory attendance and donations, the Romney campaign should try to spin this by offering refunds and sitting with those affected. However, if it is the case that they closed the mine for the day for a PR event for Romney and the people who do not support him are pissed at missing a days work, they should suck it up and deal. I am a union employee who does not support the political leanings of my union (SEIU) and yet my dues are not only donated to candidates they are used in support of PACs and direct mailings on a variety of issues. It happens both ways friends.
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Female 2,602
[quote]You don`t live here you piece of Eurotrash. There aren`t any other jobs they can take. Aside from working in a dead-end factory or flipping an damn hamburger. [/quote]

Do make up your minds, chaps. Is the reason you`re annoyed at me not taking these muppets seriously because they *are* skilled workers, or because they are *not* skilled? It can`t be both. Either way, they need to stop whinging, and do what they`re told, or piss off and do another job (possibly one as unskilled as those quoted above).
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Male 14,331
*RIMPLE(*simple I mean)
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Male 646
Disgusting. I hope this becomes national news and Romney is reamed.
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Male 5,620
"In which case why were they so afraid of losing their jobs? If they`re so irreplaceable and extraordinarily talented."

You don`t live here you piece of Eurotrash. There aren`t any other jobs they can take. Aside from working in a dead-end factory or flipping an damn hamburger.
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Male 1,243
you know, neither of the politicians are the best choice to lead the country. The best candidate is likely too poor to run. Besides it`s not like they are any different from each other.. a change in the leader is really just a way for those in real control (those with the most money) to make it appear as if it`s time for change. But it`s all fo rthe same end.. their desire to control. Sad.
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Male 14,331
YES MacGuffin FIRE THOSE RIMPLE PEONS!!! Then we can shut down all coal mines because it`s so useless and burn the workers for fuel to reduce the emissimonz for dee carbon creditz!!!
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Female 2,602
[quote]doesn`t mean they are worth any less as you so readily accuse them of being[/quote]

Oh, really? And when did I do that? I recall responding to someone that asked "Do you think they`d be MINING FREAKING COAL if they could *possibly* be doing any other job", but I don`t recall stating that they were lesser human beings.

It never ceases to amaze me how some people read what they want to read, though. Some people even imagine they`ll lose their crappy (skilled) job if they don`t turn up and look glum behind some slimy politician that`s fooling nobody with or without their presence.
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Male 1,397
More proof that America is finished!
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Male 21
On another note. I think Romney is a fool. Everyone has their flaws, but this guy is putting his flaws up for the White House. I will kindly pass his name on my ballot and hope for him to go into obscurity.
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Male 4,854
I`m still laughing that the Republicans have John Kerry 2.0 for their candidate. [Spoiler Alert] He doesn`t win.
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Male 21
Macguffin..you are kinda funny. Anybody even you is fearful of losing their job when you have a family depending on you. They are replaceable not matter how skilled they are. As are you as is anybody. So maybe they didn`t go to Harvard or Oxford, doesn`t mean they are worth any less as you so readily accuse them of being. These are hard working people who are often forgotten because they live in "hillbilly" areas. They`re people. Just because you can be replaced does not mean you aren`t good at your job.
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Male 762
"Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend."
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Male 3,060
Seems they are digging deep for a story.
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Female 2,602
[quote]@MacGuffin... You have no idea the kind of skills it takes to mine anything out of the ground. To call them "barely-employable" shows just how f-ing dumb you are. It takes years of traning to operate some of the machinery they use. [/quote]

In which case why were they so afraid of losing their jobs? If they`re so irreplaceable and extraordinarily talented.
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Female 2,602
[quote]@MacGuffin, you`re not from the U.S. so I`ll forgive your ignorance, but these people aren`t "barely employable" because they have these jobs. They live in a region where coal mining is pretty much the ONLY job that pays enough to take care of a family.[/quote]

In which case, and I hate to have to repeat myself, STOP MOANING AND GET ON WITH DOING WHAT YOU ARE TOLD, LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB MINERS.

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Male 146
@MacGuffin... You have no idea the kind of skills it takes to mine anything out of the ground. To call them "barely-employable" shows just how f-ing dumb you are. It takes years of traning to operate some of the machinery they use. Oh and by the way if it was not for miners you would not have any make-up to cover that fugly ass face of yours, so.....STFU!!
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Male 2,357
@mrjude: [quote]Coal is horrible for the air, and clean coal is a myth perpetuated by the right-wing.[/quote]
Me too - and then we can all enjoy our daily blackouts. The chemical process of burning releases CO2, so it`s a given that it is not "clean".

The problem with what you propose is that there are no current viable alternatives. Nothing (other than nuclear) has a similar energy density to cost ratio as the burning of hydrocarbons.

In addition, we don`t have the ability to reliably and cheaply store energy on a grand scale. This means that, as of right now, wind and solar energy are doomed to being supplemental at best.

It`s a lovely notion, it`s just not feasible given the current technology.
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Female 2,525
@MacGuffin, you`re not from the U.S. so I`ll forgive your ignorance, but these people aren`t "barely employable" because they have these jobs. They live in a region where coal mining is pretty much the ONLY job that pays enough to take care of a family.
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Male 3,445
When I watch the news, be in CNN, FOX, or MSNBC, 50% or more of the commercials I see are for "clean coal", natural gas, or domestic oil drilling. When an industry inundates the airwaves with commercials, I get suspicious. They clearly have money, and they know people are suspicious of what they`re doing.
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Female 2,525
Using people as props is wrong no matter what side of the aisle you`re on.
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Female 2,602
"Do you think they`d be MINING FREAKING COAL if they could *possibly* be doing any other job, MacGuffin?"

In which case, follow the second part of my advice: stop whinging, and get your barely-employable arse where it`s told to go.
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Male 19
blk954, a labor union is not a job. If a job tells you that you have to donate money to a political campaign and implies that if you don`t, your job could be in jeopardy, that is illegal. A labor union doesn`t operate by those rules.
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Male 19
I hope Obama is reelected and there are no more coal mining jobs. Coal is horrible for the air, and clean coal is a myth perpetuated by the right-wing.
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Male 3,445
`Anybody in coal industry who votes for Obama is basically voting him/her self out of a job.`

Coal jobs are up 1,500 in West Virginia since Obama took office. "Coal industry executives themselves say that low natural gas prices, a warm winter, and a sluggish economy are the primary reasons for coal mining worker layoffs."

Source
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Male 2,672
OldOllie`s got it surrounded. And let`s face it. Anybody in coal industry who votes for Obama is basically voting him/her self out of a job.
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Male 146
True hypocrisy coming from the left wing liberals. As already stated, if Obama wins there will be no more coal mining or very little. And for those of you that think mining is not a "good job" you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Male 15,832
Thanks for the link, Eggy.
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Male 2,214
They are gonna die in those coal mines anyway,so why not?
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Male 884
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Male 185
I don`t know if it`s blackmail or not. After all, the labor unions have been doing this for DECADES. Forcing their members to donate either directly or indirectly to the liberal candidate of the day. What`s good for the goose is good for the gander right?
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Male 2,670
OldOllie -- There will be PLENTY of jobs if Rmoney wins!

Of course they`ll all be in China or India, but still...
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Male 2,670
Do you think they`d be MINING FREAKING COAL if they could *possibly* be doing any other job, MacGuffin?

You truly are a frakkin` idiot.
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Male 15,832
The Democrats have been doing this for years, and it`s never been a problem for you libs. What`s changed all of a sudden?

I think what the boss was saying was, "If Obama wins, you`re all going to be out of work, so you had better get your asses out there and support Romney." He would know.
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Male 1,526
What a drating scumbag. I could hear on his voice he knew he had done wrong, and not telling the whole story.
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Female 2,602
[quote]"A group of coal miners in Ohio feel they would have been fired if they did not attend an Aug. 14 event with presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and contribute to his campaign"[/quote]

1. Get a better job, or 2. grow a set and say you`re not going. Either way, stop whinging.

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Male 2,513
Mitt Who? that`s what we`ll be saying this time next year
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Female 8,043
Link: Coal Miners Forced To Attend Romney Event [Pic+] [Rate Link] - Mandatory attendance and donations were required from coal miners in Wheeling, WV. Is this blackmail in the workplace?
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