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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 10:10 am
    Link: UK Man, 22, Dies In Hospital - Of what? Dehydration! Read the whole, awful story: it`s coming to the USA soon...
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    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    How is this coming to the USA soon? It seems like gross incompetence, but that`s it. Not really relevant to where it took place...
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    Dehydration is coming to the USA soon?!? Is there a vaccine I can take for it?
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    sweetrebelnc Female 18-29
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:04 pm
    great, this is what we have to look forward to..
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:12 pm
    This is a shocking case, and I hope those responsible are prosecuted; criminally, as well as through their own regulatory body. However, it`s not an indictment of state-funded healthcare per se. Whatever the right wing conspiracy nuts may say, state health care works just fine for many other countries. France, for example, has the highest quality of healthcare in the world. I can`t understand some Americans` aversion to it.
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    IrishJesus Male 18-29
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    That hospital sounds like a nightmare. The doctors sound almost malicious.
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    Hedkwab Male 18-29
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    Gross incompetence? Sounds about right, Quik2TheStab. And that`s exactly what`s coming to the US. Our government run programs are ALL FULL of gross incompetence, yet our current administration relays more and more control to our government, and continues to give more management responsibility to itself. Gross incompetence
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    Ok- hold on a minute... yes, this is disgraceful- but has NOTHING to do with our form of healthcare but to do with the staff and traing. We have some poor hospitals, and yes, things like this happen- but this is not exclusive to socialised healthcare at all. The NHS is fantastic- and to come up with some of the bad things does not diminish it one iota- ask any person here whether they would swap it for the US privatised system and I doubt you will find more than the odd half wit wjo would. To privatise healthcare is immoral- it creates a conflict of interest between profit and patient care...
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    WhiteGryphyn Female 18-29
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    Last time I was in hospital (UK) the lady opposite me was given the wrong pills and was told "Don`t be stupid, just take your pills" and when a nurse was supposed to put a numbing cream on me they did it completely wrong. Your supposed to put it on as a blob and put a clear plaster (band-aid) on it to keep it there. It says on the box DO NOT RUB IN, so what did she try to do? Rub it in.

    The problem is the individual nurses, not the system. Only one nurse on that ward was like that, not all of them. The rest were wonderful and obviously worked hard. This boy fell between the cracks and the nurses who had just started their shift were only following orders if they really thought he was drunk. It happens in EVERY system, but people don`t see the good things that happen every day.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    It`s coming to the U.S. apparently since the less financially fortunate might just get their well deserved medical treatment. Thus, the current healthcare system will take the stance of "We have to take care of poor people now? F**k everyone then. We`ll make it so bad that they`ll have no choice but allow us to go back to the old system: Landowners and peasants!"
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    This is a quick find- but NO ONE here goes bankrupt because of medical bills. Malpractice though happens worldwide. So- you get malpratice- and you can also lose everything you own just because you get il. Hmmm- wonder which ois preferable?
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:42 pm
    "it`s coming to the USA soon..." because incompetence is written into the law. You don`t know it`s not. The things 2000+ pages long. Did you read it? I did, and it`s on page 1,981. No, really. I`m not making that up. Only people who fail medical school will be eligible to provide health care.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    I also have to mention that if I went to see my son and he wanted a drink I would bloody well fill a glass from the tap and give him one?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    "I can`t understand some Americans` aversion to it."

    Because we are being forced to do it. We have this novel idea here called choice. There`s another idea, called freedom that we like as well.

    PPACA drats both ideas in the ass, and doesn`t even bother to give a reach around.
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    spunkynicole Female 18-29
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    Yeah, this definetly could have happened in the US prior to any govt. healthcare changes. This is obviously severe negligence. I an a nurse and have worked in hospitals, and educated people do dumb poo all of the time.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    So AJ- I take it you do NOT object to having roads, an army, customs and immigration and law courts? What happens if you do? You are NOT free to choose about paying for those now are you?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    @madduck: Those are not the same.

    I can move to a place that doesn`t offer those things, and never have to pay taxes on them. I will never be able to avoid paying taxes on PPACA, even if I never use the hospital.

    It`s like being taxed for existing.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    For those who doubt: Name one business that`s made better by adding MORE costs & MORE management?

    And when those "managers" are asked to make cuts? They chop the frontline workers first! This has been going on across Canada in EVERY Government run enterprise, most especially Healthcare.

    Combined with powerful Unions: it makes good workers leave the field and crappy ones (like this crew) safe and secure in their jobs NO MATTER WHAT!

    As @Rick_S points out: NO ONE KNOWS what the law really says! It`s still being discussed, debated (in secret of course!) and changed without notice.

    This sort of horror story happens in Canada about 1-2 times a year, easily. Those are just the ones getting caught of course...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    Let me put it this way. I can move to the mountains, and produce my own electricity, grow my own food, make my own clothes, and do everything possible to avoid paying any kind of tax (save land taxes, obviously.)

    Even after I do all of that, I will still have to pay a yearly tax, just because I am alive. That isn`t freedom. There is no choice.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    5cats- how the hell does what happens in Canada have anything to do with the NHS? We do not for a start have our hosptials show a profit for shareholders- and staff can be sacked for incompetence.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm
    So AJ- you are not free at all- and yet you think it wrong that healthcare remains in private hands? It makes it more expensive for a start- and unless you can make quite certain you are never ill or have an accident you must either pay insurance or pay the doctor?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:07 pm
    Also: This ObamaCare TAX won`t actually improve healthcare services directly: it simply forces MORE people to buy insurance, which will make insurance MUCH more expensive btw: which will increase traffic (a bit) in clinics and hospitals:
    Which will drive up, not reduce, costs.

    And WHO gets to pay for the higher insurance costs and higher healthcare costs? YOU!

    Does anyone honestly belive Obama when he says that simply cutting "unneccessary surgeries" would "save billions"? Do you think FORCING more people into the system will reduce waste *poof* just like that?
    And the panels of government appointed beurocrates, not even doctors!, WILL decide if you`re worthy of treatment or not.

    At least Canada doesn`t have that! Yet!

    UK does! The "Green Comission" (or whatever they`re officially called) can order you to find a doctor closer to your home: so you don`t drive so far!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:11 pm
    @madduck: Canada`s system is much closer to the UK than the US.
    You honestly think the dozen (apx) staff involved will lose their jobs? Will be disciplined in any real way? It`ll be an "official inquest" (costing $$ millions $$) followed by a slap on the wrist or "there`s no single person to blame"... as usual.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:12 pm
    So 5cats- how long did you live in the UK for exactly? BTW- doctors do have catchment areas- but not to save on drating petrol.
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:13 pm
    This happened a few years ago. I had a distant cousin, he recently became a US citizen btw, in Miami went in for a Laparoscopy. He was inured and the doctor`s seemed to know what they were doing, although they were a a bit brusque with him since he still had a bit of difficulty understanding medical jargon in English.

    Anyway the surgery supposedly went well however almost immediately he started complaining about a sharp pain in his lower abdomen but the doctor`s said it was just the some lingering pain from the surgery and that it it would subside in a day or two, it didn`t. Painkillers only hid the pain and when it wore off the pain came back stronger than before. He said he`d never been in so much pain in his life. Again the doctor`s dismissed his complaints and prescribed him stronger pain meds and discharged him.

    A few day later the area around where hist surgery had been performed began to grow black and it was obvious something was horribly wrong. (Cont`d ^^)
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm
    He was taken back to University of Miami Hospital and, after an x-ray, there he was told that one of the prongs of the laparoscopy tools had snapped off a was left in his abdomen. It was immediately removed but it was too late because infection had set in a long time ago and was now gangrenous. In fact it had spread all the way down to his crotch and his penis had to be amputated. He died two day later in horrible pain.

    I hardly knew the guy so I wasn`t distraught, I was angry (I was 15 btw) because his and his family`s complaints were not acknowledged, and to this day there have been no charges or any form of compensation or closure. They just told them "our bad your husband`s dead, that`ll be $180,000 please."

    Yeah apparently his insurance had refused to pay for anything after his initial surgery because drat em that`s why. His family decided that they had enough a left the country, and stuck the hospital stuck with the costs.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    Yes- there will be an inquiry- and depending on their findings I expect some will lose their jobs- some will need more training. But in the meantime we continue to get excellent care with no risk of losing all we own to get it. Although I am quite sure if Cameron gets his way BUPA will take over and it will change. In private hands any business must show a profit- guess where that comes from?
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    America, apparently the best place for medical treatment in the world, were malpractice never, ever happened before unless something, something, socialism.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    The thing is @El_Chinche & @Madduck: More laws, more beurocrats and more taxes NEVER solved anything.
    >>Enforcement of existing rules: gee what a novel idea!
    >>Reduce corruption (eg: lawsuits) Naw! Taht`ll never work!
    (NOTE: I didn`t say "ban" I said reduce! Make them less lucrative for ambulance-chasing law-tards and *presto*! Costs go down across the board!)
    >> 2,000+ pages of gibberish enforced at gunpoint: the pill that cures every ill!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 3:03 pm
    Here`s another way of looking at ObamaCare:
    Because gasoline prices are so high, the Gov`t will help `the poor` out by giving everyone 20 gallons of gas per month, FREE!
    The only catch is: every citizen also has to BUY 20 gallons every month.

    >>You own a big truck (you need it for work, have large family) and easily use 40 gallons a month? Super! Now your costs are reduced!
    >> You own a small compact car and only use 30 gallons a month? Still good: you get 10 FREE gallons!
    >> You don`t have a car? Walk or ride your bike everywhere? OH MY! You still have to buy 20 gallons of gas per month, or else!

    Oh I almost forgot: In order to pay for the free gas? The Gov`t is raising the taxes on gas. A lot.

    Clearer now?
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    marcus2 Male 13-17
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    July 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    My grandmother died in similar conditions. She went into hospital for something minor. In hospital, she contracted a urine infection, and because of this, became dehydrated. This had a very negative affect on her attitude, she acted badly towards staff & family, complaining of hearing loud voices/making up lies about people. By this time, because of the nasty behaviour, she would refuse drinks from the nurses. Because none of the nurses were told to use their initiative, they didn`t make sure she was drinking anything at all. There was no communication between the different levels of staff. They did their job to the lowest standard that they could get away with - nothing extra. The doctors and nurses didn`t know how healthy she was prior to her admittance, so assumed nothing much was wrong. The whole ordeal lasted months, she had gone from the picture of health, to being unable to move or talk to her family, to dead, and it was all the fault of the current health system inside the
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    July 7, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    I`d welcome the UK health system here. We have plenty of awful stories ourselves. I`ll take their superior overall numbers *any* day.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    Oh drat off 5Cats. Using the death of a guy to further your political ramblings? A new low!

    This is malpractice. Simple as that. The fact that healthcare is nationalised has nothing to do with that.

    This post was a severe dick move on your part.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    Just a question, 5Cats, but if Obamacare were actually like the NHS (which it isn`t, btw, in any way) and if Obamacare were 100% funded by the taxpayer, would you still have a problem with it?

    I can understand people objecting to being compelled to buy insurance, some of whom may not be able to afford it, but I can`t see how that relates to this story about a young man having suffered poor medical care in an isolated incident within a health care system that is funded in an entirely different way to the Obamacare system you`re attempting to draw a parallel with.
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    Pinkminx22 Female 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm
    Unfortunately tragedies like this can happen any where..lord knows we have our share in the US.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    @MacGuffin: That`s the thing: It ISN`T going to make American Healthcare any better! Only a little more like Canada`s not much.
    BUT it`s being "sold" in just that way: Better healthcare for all, just like the British have! But like you say, where is that coming from? Not the actual law itslf, only Obama`s spin-doctors! (swidt?)

    @Buiadh: Oh Crimea River! Like Obama NEVER trotted out "horror stories" while campaigning? Oh how quickly they forget!
    Nevermind the poor "girl" who couldn`t get contraceptives without ObamaCare`s cumming to the rescue! (swidt?)
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    @MacGuffin: That`s the thing: It ISN`T going to make American Healthcare any better!

    I didn`t say that Obamacare would make American healthcare better (or worse). All I asked was, "if Obamacare were 100% funded by the taxpayer, would you still have a problem with it?"
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    I cannot see how in anyway shape or form this can be linked to universal health care.

    This is a terrible case of malpractice and things like this and worse have happened in US hospitals and everywhere else for that matter.

    As I have said before, i work in a hospital, in the ER and on the medical floor and trust me, bad things happen because people simply forget.

    it really is that simple and has nothing to do with the healthcare system in place.

    also, for someone that not only has universal healthcare, and appears to be in decent health despite that system, 5Cats sure does want to switch to a system where he would have to pay out the butt for it.

    I am guessing because he has never had US style health care that he has no idea how horrible it is dealing with US insurance companies and how often you still end up with an bill for things the provider will not cover.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    not only has universal healthcare, and appears to be in decent health despite that system, 5Cats...
    When I was disabled and couldn`t work for 3 years, my Insurance Company flat-out refused to allow disability coverage & was much too sick to put up a proper fight.
    I had to wait 3 months to see a new doctor.
    Then 3 more months to see a GI specialist.
    Yay Canada!
    True: I didn`t have to pay for all those tests (Up Periscope! Hint: Intestines are icky!) BUT I still had to pay cash for medication.

    I`m off work again and this time`s even worse. I have no GP and am waiting 4-6 months for therapy.
    Oh sure, I could PAY CASH for it, but tell me how that`s "way better" than the USA?

    @MacGuffin: Again: the "package" ObamaCare is being sold under is a lie: It`s about universal INSURANCE. Government controlled medicine has failed in Canada (con`t)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 7, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    5 years working
    3 years (close to) disabled: NO insurance, NO Government help, NO welfare even!
    4 years working (almost to the day!)
    7 months disabled now...

    (con`t) If the USA wasn`t closeby for really ill Canadians to get fast treatment we`d resemble a 3rd world nation: that`s a fact!
    When North Dakota has TWICE as many MRI scanners as Manitoba? At half the population? And HALF their clients are Canadians? Work it out...

    I think I exagerate, I think they have 3X the MRIs but close enough eh?

    Manitoba: 13 WEEKS to wait for MRI: ON AVERAGE!
    North Dakota: 13 minutes...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 7, 2012 at 11:23 pm
    "if Obamacare were 100% funded by the taxpayer, would you still have a problem with it?"

    IT IS!
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2012 at 12:37 am
    @5Cats - So you`re actively following Obama now are you? If it`s good enough for him, it`s good enough for you? No. That`s not you at all. You saw an opportunistic moment to attempt to spin about a persons death into making America`s proposed healthcare (which is quite different to the UK`s) look bad. As I said, this post is in bad taste.

    Also I don`t know if you caught my post in a thread last week or so when you were rambling about your Manitoban wait times, I was x-rayed twice and MRI`d at my local hospital in the same day that I called my local doctors surgery and was diagnosed with pneumonia. If your wait times are poor drating well kick up a stink about it, make sure you`re seen, send letters to your political representatives, write to your healthcare officials. Threaten to go to the press.

    Instead you come here and whine like a lamb that`s lost it`s mother and try and take out your mental pain in other, poorer ways.

    Bad show.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 8, 2012 at 12:58 am
    @5Cats - So you`re actively following Obama now are you?
    Sorry @Buiadh: I don`t understand this sentence. I`ve "followed" Obama since his run for the presidency, watching him on the news and through the blogosphere, so yes! Millions of people have!
    Also Bush2, Clinton, Bush1 (no blogs back then!) & Reagan.

    If your wait times are poor drating well kick up a stink about it, make sure you`re seen, send letters to your political representatives, write to your healthcare officials. Threaten to go to the press.
    That last part made me LOL! The Canadian press! Oh the politicians will be terrified!
    Understand: This has been a "problem" in Canada for... a good 30 YEARS now! The EXACT same problem! Since the Unions LIKE it this way, there`s little hope of actual change.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    July 8, 2012 at 1:37 am
    Trouble is, because it`s free over here, the surgeries are always full of malingerers or old people looking for someone to talk to.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    July 8, 2012 at 1:44 am
    Having got very very cross and gone to bed- I would like to know if Obama-care is supposed to be like the NHS. Quite frankly the position changes like the weather. This post was about an NHS hospital- but used to indite Obama=care. If, however, we explain how GOOD the NHS is we get told Obama-care is nothing like it! Make up your bloody minds please- but I can assure you that, despite not being perfect, the NHS is a marvel and we want to keep it!!!
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2012 at 1:47 am
    @5Cats - Well it works over here with our "oh so appalling" nationalised healthcare. Maybe it`s just yours that sucks?

    You hear horror stories about hospitals regularly. In every country. Including your beloved neighbour, Muricuh.

    Ps, why don`t you move there? Genuine question.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2012 at 4:54 am
    Stats: USA is worse than the UK.
    Anecdote: UK has this one bad thing.

    Inference: There must be thousands upon thousands of horrific cases like this to make America worse 5 Cats. Thousands. They die sooner. They die more. They get less. It costs more.

    You deceitful little poo. 5 Cats. You deceitful little poo.

    Here`s 12 such stories, except these all DIRECTLY RELATED to the fact the US doesn`t have proper socialize healthcare.

    These are just some of the stories, which lead to the stats, which has the UK ranking ABOVE the US when it comes to healthcare.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2012 at 5:13 am
    Hey 5Cats: Found something for you:

    "An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company. "


    USA: 195`000 die due to neglect.
    UK: 135`000 die due to neglect (scaling up to make the UK the size of the USA).

    That DOESN`T take into consideration however, the fact that the USA neglects just over 10% of its population from the get-go.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2012 at 8:08 am
    My only question is why does he look 12, is that really the last photo anyone took of him?

    Wouldn`t of happened if the IV was still in, but if he kept ripping it out, what can you do short of full restraints.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 8, 2012 at 1:40 pm
    You deceitful little poo. 5 Cats. You deceitful little poo.
    Could someone please BANHAMMER @Baalthy for this? First @madest, then @Baalth, wtf?

    FIRST OF ALL: It`s highly likely that the UK and USA keep records in completely different ways: for example if I strike a complete stranger in the face in the USA it`s a crime and counted in their stats as "assault".
    In the UK it`s a "misdemeanor" and is NOT counted as a crime!
    K? Get the concept?

    Maybe it`s just yours that sucks?
    @Buiadh: YUP! No arguement there!
    The thing is: OUR system was identical to the US system back in the day. THEN the politicians decided to "Nationalize" healthcare across Canada. Or healthcare went from being equal to the USA`s to being VASTLY inferior! And Much MUCH more expensive!! And we STILL have to buy insurance!!!

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 8, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    Hey @Baalthy I found something for YOU:

    Don`t talk to me again you disrespectful little f-u-c-k-e-r.

    If someone has a "Mod" status they should be an example of PROPER behaviour here, not a disgrace. I tolerate plenty of "smack talk" from regular folks at IAB, but when it comes from a Mod it`s ABUSE, bullying or worse. I will NOT tolerate it, not even once.
    So stfu or gtfo.
    K-thx-bye!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 8, 2012 at 1:56 pm
    I`ll give @baalthy one more example before I tune him out completely:

    Hallway Medicine: (HM) Here in Manitoba there`s a problem with hospitals running out of room and leaving patients on gurnies, in the hallways, for days at a time! They`d be properly fed, treated and such, but right there in the hall!
    The NDP (leftwing/union party) vowed to "end HM" when they got elected... 12 years back? And in their first term.
    They didn`t. But promised to do it if re-elected!
    And they did! Or so it seemed:

    What they actually did was this: they changed the rules!
    Before: any patient in the hall for more than 1 hour was counted as HM.
    After: if a patient was in the hall, BUT a bed was open anywhere else in the hospital, they were NOT counted!
    See: the hospitals typically keep 5-10 beds open in case of emergencies or for whatever reason.

    Thus: different "counting methods" make a huge difference, eh? Get it?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33085 posts
    July 8, 2012 at 2:07 pm
    @madduck: See my explaination below: Obama wants to make the US`s healthcare socialized, but he`s afraid to call it that (or he won`t get re-elected! and rightfully so!) thus he spins it: insurance coverage!

    As I said: in Canada things went well for a decade or so, then the beurocrates began increasing in both numbers and power. Now we spend more money on paper-pushers than nurses. True but sad!
    Obamacare is DESIGNED to make beurocrats > doctors and nurses! It`s not a "flaw" it`s the whole point!

    Buiadh: Not moving! Am a Canadian through and through!
    If Canada was to join the US, I`d be cool with that! The "Free Trade Agreement" is a crock of crap: I mean joining like East Germany and West Germany did, eh?

    Also: Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta could seperate, I`d be delighted! We might let BC join us.... maybe.
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    RuralNinja Male 18-29
    519 posts
    July 8, 2012 at 5:31 pm
    Its a pretty messed up system when dying on the operating room table could be viewed as better than the actual outcome.
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    jravity1 Male 18-29
    45 posts
    July 8, 2012 at 6:34 pm
    Am I the only one who noticed that this picture is not of a 22 year old, he is a young teen tops. Everytime the news wants something to hit home they make whoever the victim is look younger than they are... just wanted to get that out there. Also, everything that happened to him was really messed up. And yes it is comming to the usa. As soon as, obamas healthcare comes into play. If they have insurance they will use it...which means more patients and the same amount of doctors. Malpractice suits are going to sky rocket.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    July 8, 2012 at 7:15 pm
    If you think Obama care is soooo bad, try being a veteran with no healtcare (Thanks G.W.Bush). Everything I have is a "Pre-exsisting" condition. The good news? The diabeties will prolly kill me before the heart problem. Die Republican scum!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 8, 2012 at 10:28 pm
    Zee: Bush isn`t in charge, dummy. Complain about how the CURRENT administration won`t help you.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7598 posts
    July 9, 2012 at 12:32 am
    Ok 5cats- so Obamacare IS like the NHS- well hoo-bloody-ray for them then as the NHS is brilliant. Unfortunately I don`t think it is- becaue you have PRIVATE companies involved- all wanting their share of the loot. So- them making a ton of cash matters way more than the health or well being of anyone. You seem to have a really loose grasp of how the NHS works- or any socialised healthcare system for that matter- but as I said- lets all hope you never get old, poor and sick eh- or you might have to eat some of your words.
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    chickiesue86 Male 70 & Over
    273 posts
    July 9, 2012 at 1:29 am
    so wait, if his mom was there and concerned then why didn`t she give him a glass of water? and if she saw his meds by the bed that was failed to be given to him why didn`t she give them to him? i know it is the hospital`s job but if your son is dying don`t just whine at the staff for something you can do yourself. ridiculous.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    July 9, 2012 at 1:33 am
    @Baalthazaq

    Neglect is not the only indicator of quality. Around the same time period it was reported that 30% of American patients spend more than 5 minutes of their time with doctors, compared to 20% in Canada and 5% in Britain.

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