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Date: 07/06/12 01:00 PM

39 Responses to SWAT Team Destroys Home

  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8044 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 8:20 am
    Link: SWAT Team Destroys Home - For all the wrong reasons. Did they really have a reasonable cause for this extreme action?Wouldn`t they need a warrant?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    Yes they had just cause to do what they did, but the city should be liable. If he was hiding in there, no, but he wasn`t.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    without a search warrant the police are NEVER allowed to enter a home without permission.

    she should sue the city, the police and the county.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
    1310 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    What a lot of c#nts
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
    1310 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    Auburnjunky, without proof there is no just cause. There was no proof he was there, just speculation.

    Let`s say there was an accusation someone you know or in your family robbed someone at gunpoint and was hiding in your grandmother`s house. They have no proof, but they do the same damage to her place.. how the hell would you feel about it in that case. Being no proof that they were actually there, would you call that just cause?
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
    1502 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    Reasons why I do not in any way trust cops.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    @Ripper: I`d be pissed of course. If I found the guy, I`d beat the tar out of him for putting our family through the trouble of having to go to the city and get the run around.

    You forgot one main point. The kid that was supposedly hiding, was the lady`s son. He had a history of living there, and there was a tip he was there.

    Justified, but the city are ass-holes for not fixing her house.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    "Reasons why I do not in any way trust cops."

    Why don`t you say this publicly, so if you ever get mugged, the cop can stand there and not protect you.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
    2737 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    "Why don`t you say this publicly, so if you ever get mugged, the cop can stand there and not protect you."

    Cops don`t stand around waiting for people to get mugged, you idiot.And when people DO get mugged, the cops aren`t usually around.Actually, if ANY crimes are happening, the cops aren`t around, unless it`s one of theirs getting their ass handed to them. They`re like a gang.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6171 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 2:56 pm
    jamie76-"without a search warrant the police are NEVER allowed to enter a home without permission."

    In that you are incorrect. They can enter your home without you consent 1) if they see, in plain view, contraband or evidence of a crime, 2) if you`re being arrested in your yard or doorway, they can `search incident to arrest` to insure their own safety or prevent destruction of evidence & 3) Exigent Circumstances (where the process of getting a valid warrent could compromise public safety or lead to loss of evidence.

    I`d say #3 is what they were operating under, but they in truth had no evidence that he was there. The city should pay.

    robosnitz-"They`re like a gang."

    Thanks for demonstrating that you`re an idiot. I`ll be happy to get some friends and come over and rob your place comfortable in the knowledge that you will not call the cops.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36689 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    "Wiped my whole life out from underneith me" Looks like she still has a house, hardly here "whole life" was wiped out.

    "The damage is horrendous, unbelievable" it`s a couple of broken windows and the door frame needs fixing.

    Besides, after all that tear gas it needs a good airing so wtf does she need windows for?
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    HI-haole Male 18-29
    601 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    @auburnjunky

    How is it justified? They were there for 4 hours shooting teargas into the home and literally shooting at the house when no one was there shooting back at them. If anything, they should have just entered the house to find that he wasn`t there. And if they didn`t have a warrant in the first place... All of that is just plain illegal!!
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    NOCASH Male 18-29
    423 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    Never really seen something like this before, definitely seems like the cops went overboard. How many other times have the cops looked for a suspect in this manor only under alleged accusations?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6171 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    HI-haole-"If anything, they should have just entered the house to find that he wasn`t there."

    Have you stopped to think that it`s possible that Mrs. De La Torre’s darling little son may have had previous run-ins with law enforcement?

    NOCASH-"How many other times have the cops looked for a suspect in this manor only under alleged accusations?"

    Maybe the reason they BELIEVED he was armed and dangerous is through prior experience?

    Did they make a bad call? Yes. But it`s possilbe that entering the house could have been a worse one.

    Cops made a bad call. The city should make good.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    More freedom and bravery for ya, America? Do let your government know when you`ve had enough of all that bravely delivered freedom, won`t you?
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
    870 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 3:49 pm
    merica drat yeah
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    for heaven`s sake woman, wash your hair before you go on TV
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 6:33 pm
    Stop making excuses for SWAT goofing off.

    FOUR HOURS. This wasn`t some crazy terrorist son they were hunting, this was them having a good time at the taxpayers (Hopefully the taxpayers will pay for this at some point.) expense. You DON`T sit in a house filled with tear gas for four hours while they continue to fill it with more. Furthermore, you don`t send swat after an armed robbery. This was nothing more than SWAT being frakfaces wanting to justify their existence in a city of less than 100k. Really, Renton is around 100k strong and they call SWAT for armed robbery....
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2588 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 8:11 pm
    That`s what you get for failure as a mother. Pay up.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 10:06 pm
    Why hasn`t she just sued them?
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    Xprez Male 30-39
    676 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 10:12 pm
    To all of you Europeans making comments about things here in the states; when you can control your tards over there at their "football" matches, you can speak out about stuff over here. Until then, please quit with your holier-than-thou attitudes.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 10:57 pm
    Okay. Recently, there was a shooting in my state. More specifically, Auburn.

    There was a tip that the shooter, who was at large, was holed up in a house. 50-11 cops showed up, and surrounded the house. They tear gassed it. They infiltrated it. They searched it. They thought they had him pinned in the attic. They breached the attic, and he was not there.

    This took 11 hours. They move very carefully, protecting the lives of everyone involved, including the perpetrator.

    I think the lady is getting the run around from the city. They should be ashamed. My problem, is all the cop hate. They did nothing wrong, and it isn`t their responsibility to pay her back, or rebuild her house. It`s the city`s responsibility.

    She probably complained like "Oh no muhfudgeka! You fix mah house now gad daimmit!" and the city employee said. "Okay. No. Come back later."

    She then called the news. "Im`ma get mah munney!"
  23. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 11:15 pm
    I think the lady is getting the run around from the city. They should be ashamed. My problem, is all the cop hate. They did nothing wrong, and it isn`t their responsibility to pay her back, or rebuild her house. It`s the city`s responsibility.

    Actually, shooting up someone`s house is plenty wrong. Whether or not other cops in your home town are just as thuggish and stupid is a moot point. Nobody should be going through BS like this at the hands of any police force.

    You`ve long since stopped being a nation that has police/prisons in the traditional sense of forces that provides a stabilising and proportionate element to society. They`re now more of an internal ministry of state security, that often use tactics more appropriate for war zones, to keep an increasingly-brutalised civilian population in line. It`s worrying that some of you have come to think of that level of violence by the state towards civilians as perfectly normal.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 11:18 pm
    >>>To all of you Europeans making comments about things here in the states; when you can control your tards over there at their "football" matches, you can speak out about stuff over here.<<<



    Oh look, there it is again. In every single thread where American service personnel or police get validly criticised for their abuses of civilians of other countries abroad or American civilians at home, there`s at least one dumb individual that tries to mitigate that valid criticism of American society`s behaviour by criticising Europe/Asia/Martians in return.

    That particular fallacy has only been covered a few thousand times now, dear boy, but, once again, just for you: ad hominem tu quoque.

    ...
  25. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Even attempting to justify your country`s poor behaviour under present discussion on the grounds that (you perceive) other countries behave badly too is asinine in the extreme. It`s the way that five year olds attempt to justify their poor behaviour ("but other kids are misbehaving too!"). It`s sad to see grown adults trotting out that tired and weak BS time and time again to justify your country`s failings. Weak sauce.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 11:28 pm
    "Actually, shooting up someone`s house is plenty wrong. Whether or not other cops in your home town are just as thuggish and stupid is a moot point. Nobody should be going through BS like this at the hands of any police force."

    Cop #1: Okay. We think he`s in there, but the door is shut.

    Cop #2: drat it. Nothing we can do. Let`s go home people.

    (Later. The person who lives there gets home, and is raped and killed.)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 11:32 pm
    Scenario #2!

    Cop #1: Okay, we think he`s in there.

    Cop #2: Let`s wait for a warrant.

    (1 hour later, after the assailant has fortified his position.)

    Cop #1: Here we go! Advance! (breaks down door, and is shot in face, dying. Leaves behind a wife and 3 kids.)

    Cop #2: I guess we should have gassed the place first, and waited to see if it flushed him out.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 11:51 pm
    "Cop #1: Okay. We think he`s in there, but the door is shut.

    Cop #2: drat it. Nothing we can do. Let`s go home people.

    (Later. The person who lives there gets home, and is raped and killed.)

    No, of course you`re right, aj. Clearly there is no alternative to standing outside taking potshots for four hours, or going home. Those are the only two options, obviously. It`s not as if they could do their actual jobs they`re meant to be trained for, and use sound/video/thermal detection to determine the actual status of the residence before clearing the house or anything. It`s not as if using surveillance and acting on intelligence were an option. That would just be too sensible.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 6, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    PS: extra tin foil points for trying to suggest that this situation is in any way analogous to one where a rapist is lying in wait in someone`s home, when in reality this was merely a petty criminal that presented no threat to the house`s owner whatsoever and who furthermore wasn`t even home.
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
    376 posts
    July 7, 2012 at 7:35 am
    Holy sh*t, who did they think was in there? David Koresh?
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6961 posts
    July 7, 2012 at 8:05 am
    There is no point in arguing with the `Cops can do no wrong` fanboys here.

    Once you have been handcuffed, hog-tied, tazered and beaten then if a dozen cops continue to stomp on you it`s entirely down to you having a bad attitude.

    If your home is destroyed by cops while empty it is your fault for having a relative who has been accused of a petty crime (although not arrested or charged).

    I think it is a fetish thing.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 7, 2012 at 8:15 am
    I think it is a fetish thing.

    Hey, nothing wrong with a bit of BDSM, my friend. I think it`s because they *don`t* get laid often enough that they have these kind of problems. ;-)
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6961 posts
    July 7, 2012 at 8:31 am
    There is no point in arguing with the `Cops can do no wrong` fanboys here.

    Once you have been handcuffed, hog-tied, tazered and beaten then if a dozen cops continue to stomp on you it`s entirely down to you having a bad attitude.

    If your home is destroyed by cops while empty it is your fault for having a relative who has been accused of a petty crime (although not arrested or charged).

    I think it is a fetish thing.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 7, 2012 at 8:50 am
    I think it is a fetish thing.

    Hey, nothing wrong with a bit of BDSM, my friend. I think it`s because they *don`t* get laid often enough that they have these kind of problems.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 7, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Damnit, I knew I shouldn`t have introduced that tesseract into the forum the other day. Its spacey-wacey, timey-wimey weirdness has fecked up IAB`s spacetime continuum.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 7, 2012 at 10:09 am
    I`ve never seen a double double post before lol.
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    TheJ3553 Male 18-29
    145 posts
    July 7, 2012 at 6:57 pm
    Welcome to the USA!

    The freest place on Earth!

    Not becoming a police state at ALL!
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    EgalM Male 30-39
    1707 posts
    July 8, 2012 at 8:42 am
    Really, swat raid for a possible armed robbery? Shouldn`t they of tried knocking first?
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
    2385 posts
    July 8, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    wow, just wow

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