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79 Responses to Richard Dawkins On Religion And You [Pic]

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 2:58 pm
    Link: Richard Dawkins On Religion And You - A good point about our individual belief system.
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    jadoig Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    Duh? Kids are always indoctrinated. Wouldn`t you want your kids to share your worldview? If you`re pro-gay marriage, wouldn`t you teach them why being pro-gay is good? Same goes for if you`re anti-gay marriage, or pro or anti anything. Mr Dawkins, your Ric Romero caliber facts are so helpful. In other news, the sky is blue.
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    and i bet richard dawkins`s parents were atheists
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Careful there, Dawkins. What you just said also applies to political and social systems deemed to be normal, mathematical understanding, language, skin colour, etc., etc. Are all those things open to question too, just because people have them in common with their parents? You`ll need a better argument than that one if you want to criticise the concept of religion.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    Theres something about this man that even when I agree 100% with him I still want to punch him very hard in the face.
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    People fall in and out of religion all the time. I totally agree that you pick up the mannerisms of the people around you. I swore I was never gonna be like my dad, but I see myself acting like him more and more. Just because he`s devoid of religion doesn`t mean I have to be devoid of religion.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm

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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    Yeah, funny that. I used to believe that you shouldn`t challenge other people`s beliefs but then I realised that 1) many religious people love to challenge other people`s beliefs and that`s considered fine and 2) organised religion is an actively harmful, corrupt and evil influence on the world and we would be better off without it.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    He is so right. Traditional religion is so backward. But a lot of people seem to need it, somehow.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    @tatripp - aetheism isn`t a religon, its a critical point of view.

    @macguffin - skin colour isn`t something you can choose, and maths can be proven, whereas language and cultural norms perfectly illustrate his point. Religion is a cultural induction.

    @bacon_pie - doubt to devout in a day?
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    And for anyone not getting it this is his point: if the religion you follow is dictated by who your parents were and is therefore entirely random then how can you be so certain you are right and not the other guy? It`s just dumb luck where you were born and who your parents are.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm
    fuzzysheep "organised religion is an actively harmful, corrupt and evil influence on the world and we would be better off without it"

    Its not quite that simple, is it? Much good is done by people with faith surely?
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    @Matt Prince yes, much good is done by people with faith but I believe that is because they are intrinsically good people. Why cheapen their good deeds by implying it is only because of their allegiance to a deity as opposed to pure goodness? Someone once said (and I`m paraphrasing) good people do good, bad people do bad, but for a good person to do bad it takes religion.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:30 pm
    Well considering that I`m Agnostic despite my Christian raised parents and that most young people have turned away from homophobia, I say this statement is stretching the truth.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    Hell I`m an Agnostic Libertarian despite my Liberal Christian parents.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    Where did 5Cats comment go?
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    Well considering you`ve moved away from the indoctrination, i`d say you`ve exactly challenged the point at all, Cajun.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm
    Damn parents!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    Oh right! NOT ONE PERSON has ever had an adult conversion before! Yeah I`m being excessive to point out teh stupid here...

    YES most folks share the same religion as their parents: religion is part of THEIR CULTURAL HERATIGE duh! RD sure has a stick up his arse about Christians...

    Off to read the comments!

    OK: I`m glad most IABers seem to "get it" and even those who disagree are being polite about it. :-)
    @jadoig says it best: (I paraphrase here) Why WOULDN`T YOU teach your children what YOU YOURSELF believe is true? What`s the alternative?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:51 pm
    @Cajun: I edited/updated it! lolz!

    I do that a lot, usually to fix the (many!) typos.
    Otherwise my post count could be 20K!
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    Obviously every god fearing parent will raise their children Christian / Jewish / Muslim, the whole hell thing weighs on peoples minds and if you`re certain unbelievers go there then obviously you raise you child as a believer. It`s obvious. The point I take from this is that you should examine your beliefs and work out where they come from. If it`s just because your parents believed the same then I would say that is a very weak basis for a way of living your life.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    @macguffin - skin colour isn`t something you can choose
    Nobody said it was. I said that skin colour was something you acquire from your parents, and pointed out that fact doesn`t bring the colour of your skin into question. Dawkins` criticism of religion here is that religious beliefs are something that is also acquired from one`s parents. I pointed out that fact in itself doesn`t make religious beliefs invalid.
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    jadoig Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    " Dawkins` criticism of religion here is that religious beliefs are something that is also acquired from one`s parents"

    I think the real criticism he gets to (But we don`t see because this is taken out of context, as these things always are) is how can God be loving if he will damn half the world because they weren`t raised in a society that worships Him? How can He have unconditional love for His children if there is such an obvious condition?
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm
    Good point well made jadoig. There`s only so much you can put down to "mysterious ways" before you`re dealing with the work of a child or a psychopath.
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    HI-haole Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    And he seems to be teaching everyone that atheism is the correct way to think...

    What a freakin hypocrite...
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    jadoig Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    Edit: How can He have unconditional love for His children if there is such an <I>obviously unjust</I> condition?
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    Bredlom Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 4:49 pm
    "And he seems to be teaching everyone that atheism is the correct way to think...

    What a freakin hypocrite..."

    troll detected
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    That`s not trolling. Dawkins is being preachy about his beliefs, just like some religious people. Dawkins is basically an atheist missionary. We get it Dawkins, you`re atheist. Let me decide if I`m one for myself.
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    xbx214 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 5:20 pm
    No Andrew you my friend are retarded.

    He is pointing out the connection between how we grow and religious bonding to the human mind through development. Since the child grows up in the belief setting of a "certain" god or many gods ect, the belief is carried thus not extinguished. In this notion the religion survives and thrives to battle with other believes currently opposed or different. This causes just another "option" of believe that overall weighs down our advancing societies and race as a species..
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    jadoig Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 5:56 pm
    No xbx214, you my friend are mean spirited and childish and lack reading comprehension.
    Regardless of what Dawkins meant by this, it has no bearing on what Andrew was saying there. From my point of view, Andrew is right. Dawkins is portrayed as a preachy, proselytizing atheist. At least he is quoted so often by atheists and featured so often on this site it is easy to see him as such. Dawkins is seemingly crammed down our throats weekly on this site and it`s just as annoying as the weekly JW call. (To some people anyway, I like different points of view)

    How does requesting that he be allowed to form his own opinion make Andrew retarded?
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    djlazar Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 6:05 pm
    another preachy athiest
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    fuzzysheep Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 6:18 pm
    djlazar, I`m struck by the irony of your post. Definition of the word preach: "Deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church." Preaching is a part of every major religion. While I find Dawkins a bit much at times, it`s a bit rich for a person of faith (which I`m assuming you are, I apologise if I`m wrong) to accuse anyone of being "preachy".
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    Damarco Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    Many replies annoyed at how much Dawkins is overheard. None that actually address or dispute his point. Ad hominem is usually the response when nothing intelligent can be said to a contrary idea.
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    We get it Dawkins, you`re atheist. Let me decide if I`m one for myself.
    How is he preventing you from deciding for yourself? Isn`t he helping you by providing pertinent information and a reasonable argument for you to consider?

    You`re railing against a person who is making a rational evidence-based appeal to adults while ignoring the ethical violations of those who bring to bear the full force of their privileged position as parents against the defenseless minds of their children for the purpose of injecting unjustified supernatural assumptions into their conceptual models of the world and the self. Who is really guilty of attempting to compromise the mental autonomy of another?
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    jadoig Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 7:19 pm
    Damarco, no one CAN dispute it. All he`s saying here is that kids are taught what to believe and think by their parents. No news there. Unless they are teaching them hate, how is that wrong? It`s how raising kids has worked for generations and guess what, XBX! Society is still advancing!
    Nothing`s broken, except the haters. Drating haters.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    Thank you, admiral obvious.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    I had this very conversation with our own dear fundamentalist Christian Crakrjak, many moons ago. I pointed out (on one of his many Islam-bashing rants) that if he`d been brought up in Saudi Arabia rather than Illinois, he`d be a fundamentalist Muslim. He disagreed, in the strongest possible terms, which is his prerogative.

    I have to agree with Dawkins on this one. Although, as many have said before on this thread and others, he`s a bit f*cking shrill in his shrieking against religion for my tastes. And that`s coming from me - I`m not just atheist, I would openly describe myself as an antitheist (that is to say, I think the world would be a better place if all religion were removed from it).
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    earplay Male 60-69
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    July 20, 2012 at 7:42 pm
    @djlazar "another preachy atheist"

    Why not? If some one is going to preach, why not preach what is irrefutably true?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    the ethical violations of those who bring to bear the full force of their privileged position as parents...
    So @jkfld: WHO EXACTLY is "qualified" to raise children then? NOT their very own parents according to YOU!

    The State! Obviously! Beurocrats trained by other beurocrats > parents.
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    Francakes Female 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    Then why do so many people become religious as adults who did not grow up in "indoctrinated" families?
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    monsterzero Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    Isn`t a remarkable coincidence that god spelled backwards is dog?
    Holy crap!
    I just said something semi atheistic and totally obvious.
    Can I have my PHD now?
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 9:23 pm
    "Then why do so many people become religious as adults who did not grow up in "indoctrinated" families?"

    Same reason a lot of people grow up in religious households and later become atheists. Anyway, ignoring those exceptions, it`s rare for one person to convert from the religion they were raised with to another completely different religion.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    @xbx214 the first line of your post ... I was so about to type exactly that, but you got there first.
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    TroyMcClure Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 10:53 pm
    Dawkins goes in, comment poostorm goes out. You can`t explain that...
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    softpuppy Female 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 11:14 pm
    Well, uh, duh..
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2012 at 11:24 pm
    Something about religion and how some number of churchies are terrible people.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    July 21, 2012 at 12:05 am
    Macguffin.. ok lets run with your skin analogy then.. The difference bein (hopefully) that the parents dont tell their kids that their skin colour is the one true colour and all other colours are wrong.

    And a morsel for the trolls.. you dont need to indoctrinate kids to be aethiest..it is their default setting.

    Teach a kid to think for itself and they are going to question religion.

    So.. how many people spontaneously become christian, muslim, whatever, without being indoctrinated or converted by another person (including indirectly via the written word).
    ?

    No one. Odd eh? Its the one truth and yet you always have to be told it.. cant work it out for yourself.
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    FredSpudman Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 3:21 am
    @Macguffin The difference between skin and religion is they aren`t consciously trying to give you your skin colour, it`s hereditary. Ideas that are based on hearsay rather than reason should probably stay independent from being inherited. My parents managed to concieve me. My gratitude to them for that, but it doesn`t make them authorities on religion.
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    FredSpudman Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 3:24 am
    @Andrew Yes, Dawkins comes across as preachy and smug. However, he is teaching atheism (or a form of agnosticism as close to atheism as possible) as the best way to think because objectively, it IS the best way to think. It is applying logic to a problem.
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    mon360 Male 13-17
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    July 21, 2012 at 3:26 am
    nobody can`t aint argue nothin, so i`m just gonna leave now
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    Hedkwab Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 3:51 am
    "nobody can`t aint argue nothin, so i`m just gonna leave now"

    I can argue that you have no understanding of the English language.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 4:53 am
    It`s true though.
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    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 4:59 am
    This mon kid might be the biggest moron to ever make an IAB account. Rofl
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 6:34 am
    The fact is that God is real, and there`s nothing he or anyone else can do about it, other than live with that fact or accept it.

    People have been trusting in God for generations, in one form or another. While people say there are thousands of names of Gods, do they ever consider that there may be thousands of names for One God?

    For example, what someone calls kumo, is what someone else would call Yun, which is also what someone else would call obloha, that someone else would call himmel, that someone else woudl call lucht, that someone who speaks english would call: a cloud.

    To illustrate this a bit more, Aslan (the lion) from C.S. Lewis`s naria series said: “I am . But there I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there.”

    A truth can be found there about God.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2012 at 6:53 am
    TheGuySmiley, you are right, there is definitely a god, no doubt about it. Of course you must realise however that god is a human construct in much the way as Ronald McDonald and unicorns are. A little bit of objective and reasonable thinking makes this quite clear. Dawkins is right, religion only survives by the indoctrination of children, which in itself is morally questionable.
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    frnttrndy Male 50-59
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    July 21, 2012 at 7:42 am
    Im a Christian Time will tell
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    frnttrndy Male 50-59
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    July 21, 2012 at 7:48 am
    Read the Book and know your name is in the Lambs Book of Life
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 7:58 am
    spanerbulb: I agree with the second half of your first sentence. However I do believe you misunderstand what objective and reasonable thinking is. It would be more along the lines of this: "I do not know everything in this entire universe (and/or beyond), so i cannot say that there is no God until i do know everything. On a side note, many people of my kin (the human race) have made large and positive impacts on the social direction of our kinship, based on their faith in God. So until I have more information, I must concede that it is possible that God is real."

    You may be thinking the flip side, that one would need to know everything to know God exists, but because God wants us to know him, and actively holds the door open so we can know Him, we only need to learn God is real to know that He exists.

    Why do you think the Holy Bible says that the fool says in their heart "there is no God"?
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    JoexBro Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 8:24 am
    My parents were raised in Catholic households and when to Catholic schools for most of their young life. However they did not put this upon us. We were allowed to look at the world around us for ourselves and figure things out on our own. Sorry Dawkins, not all of the human race is bumbling idiots
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    wickedsngr Female 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 8:30 am
    Richard Dawkins is one of those Atheists that is such an non-nice individual that he gives others a bad name. He`s almost as bad as some of those crazy religious nutjobs (Westboro Baptist, anyone?). If you believe (or don`t believe) in something and you want to tell people about it, fine. But don`t put down and insult people`s intelligence, and expect to gain any of their support. The only support you will gain is from those who already share your beliefs (or non-beliefs).
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    FredSpudman Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 9:28 am
    @theguysmiley There is a (human construct of) God, and there`s nothing he or anyone else can do about it other than try to reason with people who assume that things are so without acceptable evidence. Also, it`s poor form to assume something`s there until you know it`s not. We may as well assume that there is a Norwegian football player called Tore Andre Flo who controls all of our actions, UNTIL WE CAN PROVE THERE ISN`T.
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2012 at 10:19 am
    we only need to learn God is real to know that He exists
    Then provide some evidence. Simply declaring something to be true doesn`t make it true, regardless of the amount of confidence you have in your authority. I think a more accurate formulation of your statement is "you only need to accept that god is real to know that god is real".

    Why do you think the Holy Bible says that the fool says in their heart "there is no God"?
    For the same reason the tailors of the emperor`s new clothes insisted the fabric was invisible to the "hopelessly stupid". It is an epistemic defense mechanism of the Christian belief system which is necessary to prevent the criticism that would inevitably reveal the entire system to be incoherent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes
    http://www. springerlink.com/content/ w8538jg104w2h4qn/fulltext.pdf
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 10:50 am
    FredSpudman: when you meet someone, and you know they are real, how would it seem to you if some on on the Internet told you that that person is not real?

    Many people give testimony to God. While i generally agree with your statement, it`s considered even poorer form for a person to ignore and dismiss what others are sincerely trying to convey, just because that person doesn`t yet fully understand.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 10:56 am
    jkfld: Thats what the Holy Bible has shown people for many, many generations. You see, by following the procedures found in the Holy Bible, you can come to see the truth of God. They`re ancient procedures, but they still work. But it`s hard for some people because they let their ego stand in the way. It`s about letting go, and surrendering to God and humbly seeking Him through the procedures. The procedures have been tried and true, and many have seen the evidence of God through them.. This has been happening for 1000`s of years. Afterall it`s said that all God breathed scripture is useful for teaching and training.

    Also, you took my question out of context from the post. the line "Why do you think the Holy Bible says that the fool says in their heart "there is no God"?" was in relation to what objective and reasonable thinking is...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    Thats what the Holy Bible has shown people for many, many generations.


    "Please my child your circular logic is not helping my cause"
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    Grumpdock Male 13-17
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    July 21, 2012 at 4:40 pm
    Religious people can`t dispute the fact that they`ve been indoctrinated, so they resort to attacking Dawkin`s personal character, of course.
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2012 at 6:03 pm
    You see, by following the procedures found in the Holy Bible, you can come to see the truth of God.
    You mean by submitting to brainwashing techniques you can receive a freshly washed brain? I`m sure you can.

    They`re ancient procedures, but they still work.
    They work to mystify, intellectually neuter, terrorize, and control you. They work to turn you into a pie-eyed virus carrier. They don`t work if your goal is to discover the truth about how things actually are. They don`t work to maximize the good for humanity.

    The procedures have been tried and true, and many have seen the evidence of God through them.
    Many have seen the evidence of Xenu through the procedures of Scientology. Many have seen the evidence of Allah through the procedures of Islam. They`re just as sure as you that their god is the only true one. And they`re just as wrong.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    Why do you think the Holy Bible says that the fool says in their heart "there is no God"?
    For the exact same reason that Pepsi adverts tell you that Coke sucks. And, of course, vice versa.
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    jadoig Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    Guy Smiley: What Procedures are these? You don`t have to go into detail, just point me to the right book(s) for a couple good examples.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2012 at 1:09 am
    @People saying that you`d teach your children what YOU believe regardless if it was religion or not.

    You people need lessons in raising a child. I don`t force anything onto my seven year old. His mum died last year and he asked me if she was in heaven. I told him if you believed that, then yes, she was. He asked me what I believed and I explained that I was irreligious and his mums Humanist funeral reflected that. At no point have I told him what to believe, and yet he has told me that he doesn`t believe in God.

    I support Dundee United, but live in Aberdeen. He is free to support Aberdeen or whoever else and I`ve told him as much. I just happen to take him with me to Dundee United games and he has made the choice to follow me.

    Do no attempt to force anything onto your child. For the good of your child mainly and, if you`re a religious nutjob, for the good of the world.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2012 at 5:08 am
    Cajun247: As Romans 1:20-21 points out - Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all! They know God, but they do not give him the honor that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.

    jkfld: I understand you strongly disagree, but mocking and scorning never gets anyone anywhere.

    davymid: It can be scary to some people, but it`s more along the lines of what happened in LOTR, where Gandalf realized that Saruman had abandoned reason for madness. Many would perish from his choice.

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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2012 at 5:20 am
    jadoig: It`s full of procedures! It does require a bit of study to bring them together, and some are quite clear, such as:

    James 1:21-25 - Meekness toward God`s word requires putting away filth and wickedness. Be doers of the word, not just hearers.

    James 4:6-10 - God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Humble yourselves in the sight of God and He will exalt you. Therefore be subject to God, draw nigh to Him, cleanse your hands, purify your hearts, be afflicted, mourn, and weep.

    There are also some verses where you would need to put yourself in his place, such as:

    Matthew 11:29,30 - Jesus said, "I am meek and lowly in heart."

    Philippians 2:8 - Having come to earth as a man, Jesus humbled Himself and became obedient, even to the point of dying on the cross.

    If you`re interested check out Galatians 5:22-23, it`s very valuable, and of course John 13:34. There is a wealth of information in the Holy Bible.
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2012 at 10:09 am
    jkfld: I understand you strongly disagree, but mocking and scorning never gets anyone anywhere.
    Maybe it won`t get you anywhere, but it might get someone else who is reading this somewhere. Ridiculous beliefs deserve ridicule. Silence can too easily be misinterpreted as agreement. Pointing out the absurdities and destructiveness of a false belief system in public is good for everyone.

    Note that your religion says those who don`t believe *are* fools. People like Dawkins and myself are saying you *were fooled* during a particularly vulnerable stage of your cognitive development into believing things you most likely never would have accepted as true had they not been presented as verified truths and slipped in next to actual truths such as "the stove is hot" and "C-A-T spells cat" by trusted authorities responsible for educating you about the world.
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2012 at 10:09 am
    You, on the other had, are instructed by Psalm 14:1 and other passages in the bible to hold *me* in contempt: "The fool says in his heart, `There is no God.` They *are* corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is *no one* who does good." That is an existential pronouncement that no matter what good I do in real life, I am inherently evil by nature. Despite how uncomfortable my "mocking" and "scorn" may make you, I only hold *your beliefs* in contempt, not you.

    The oh-so-loving New Testament goes even further. It says in Luke 12:46 I am to be tortured in hell for eternity for my non-belief. You have a problem with me using harsh words against your beliefs when this is what you agree should happen to me because of mine?
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    jkfld Male 30-39
    138 posts
    July 22, 2012 at 10:41 am
    The biblical procedures you listed are abstract exercises in self-abasement and submission to authority. Don`t you think it`s odd that those who drilled this stuff into your mind when you were a child happened to be the very ones who held themselves as authorities over you? Can`t you see how they had the most to benefit by your unquestioning submissiveness? Despite all your talk about the evilness of the ego, can`t you see how your compliance to their absurd instructions, your acceptance of their nonsensical assertions, and your enforced ignorance of their sophisticated manipulations worked to feed their ego, their sense of power, and their sense of superiority, all at your expense?
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2012 at 11:14 am
    jkfld: when you say "Maybe it won`t get you anywhere, but it might get someone else who is reading this somewhere." there is no doubt you`re right, although it may not in the sense that you`re hoping.

    Love is the way of the future, and anyone can see the world needs more love. Putting others down, `riducling` others, and judging others (especially when based on prejudice), are all detrimental of that end. Through faith and trusting in God, a person can learn very deep lessons of love and help bring them into the open to further that end. Those who are looking to further that will find many valuable veins of wisdom in the Holy Bible to further their search.

    Those who deny God can argue all they want, even until their last breath, but fact is that people will trust in God forever. This is something they will need to come to terms with on their own.
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    MorfeuS Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    bwhaha..let amurikans do wall of text over a goddam phrase,the religion will disappear eventually and another form of control will took place
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    Quackor Male 18-29
    2856 posts
    July 22, 2012 at 6:17 pm
    same can be said when an atheist parent raised an atheist kid, dumbass, your logic sucks monkey butt
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    MrLill Male 18-29
    371 posts
    July 24, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    religion isn`t wrong, but none of them are right.

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