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Submitted by: fancylad 4 years ago Misc

On a serious I-A-B note, how many of you think this practice is mutilation?
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Male 369
The foreskin solves alot of problems and getting cut just to make it look sleeker is absolutely idotic.
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Male 214
I didn`t snip my boy. It`s cruel, stupid, and anyone with the foreskin knows what the loss of nerves would feel like, you may last longer whilst boning if you snip - but why would anyone want to lose the sensation for longevity? And Darky - Unless you live in Africa or are banging crack whores without a condom regularly, there are 0 benefits to snipping. If you can bare watching the practice on your own boy - then go ahead and snip him... Watch him cry while his little schlong bleeds - then explain to me why you had it done.
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Male 12,365
[quote]theres a reason adults who aren`t circumcised are asking to be, and those who aren`t, aren`t asking not to be.[/quote]

The great majority of men who haven`t had part of their penis cut off are not asking to have it cut off. Those who do are usually doing it as a result of religious or cultural pressure.

Many men who have had it cut off would be "asking not to be" IF THEY COULD INVENT A TIME MACHINE.

Are you really so ignorant of the subject that you think they`re all kept in perfect storage and can be reattached any time the man asks for it? Seriously? If so, you`re quite mad.

Also, if you don`t understand the difference between an elective mutilation chosen by an adult and a non-consensual mutilation forced on a child, you`re both mad and dangerous. Don`t try to confuse the two. They`re not at all the same.
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Male 12,365
[quote]lol uwotm8?[/quote]

Don`t you read your own posts?

You are arguing that sexual abuse of INFANTS (note not children of all ages, specifically infants) is so common in the USA that it puts all infants at a significant risk of being infected with HIV as a result.

Even if you were right (and you aren`t), your argument would still be utter bullpoo because infant boys who are being sexually abused aren`t generally at risk of HIV infection through their penis.

I`ll add your own argument to the growing list of things you are ignorant of.

You`re just making up arguments on an ad hoc basis, aren`t you? You haven`t thought it through, have you?
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Male 12,365
[quote]the rules regarding sex outside of wedlock are from the old testament, hence they are applied to both religions the same (with the `same` biblical consequences), of course if you knew anything about what you`re trying to argue, you would know this.[/quote]

The old testament of the Christian bible is not part of Islam. They have their own book. Similar in some ways, but not the same.

Your ignorance of that is remarkable and makes your comment about me not knowing anything absolutely hilarious.

You are ignorant of religion. You are ignorant of the roots of the customs of your own country, even when they`re little over 100 years old. You`re just plain ignorant.

[quote]I`ll post them for you, oh look, it is 50%, surprise surprise[/quote]

You didn`t even read the content-free summary you linked to. Surprise, surprise.
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Male 2,516
@darkmagic1an: let me fix this for you:

and those who aren`t, aren`t asking not to be in the US, where the practice is common. In other countries those who aren`t, aren`t asking to be, and those who got it as babies decry it.
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Female 4,349
f uck religious beleifs, cutting up babies is not ok in any way. if male circumcision is so f ucking great, should we be trying to encourage female circumcision now? what kind of monster cuts off the end of a baby boys penis?
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Male 1,625
[quote]and those who aren`[/quote]
t, aren`t asking not to be.
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Male 1,625
firstly, I hate how using 2 forms of formatting seems to break the replies...

secondly, to continue my rant.
[quote]Thirdly, you`re ignoring the sexual abuse issue.[/quote]
lol uwotm8?

US is right around the average for western society (abuse of males in the UK is ~5%, males in the US is ~7.5%; abuse of females in the UK is ~18%, females in the US is ~14.5%). unless of course you`re talking about the touching of a child`s penis to do the procedure, in which case I just have to stop talking to you.

[quote]My point stands anyway - advocates of genital mutilation neither know nor care what the answer to that question is. They`re not interested in the truth, only in excuses for their customs.[/quote]

this thread seems to prove that both sides do this. in fact, the advocates for prevention of `mutilation,` as you like to put it, are better at ignoring the facts. theres a reason adults who aren`t circumcised are asking to be, and those who aren`
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Male 1,625
[quote">The rules in Islam are often clearer and often obeyed to a larger extent by followers. [/quote">

the rules regarding sex outside of wedlock are from the old testament, hence they are applied to both religions the same (with the `same` biblical consequences), of course if you knew anything about what you`re trying to argue, you would know this.

[quote">Firstly, the studies that actually exist don`t show what you claim they show.[/quote">
someone forgot to go finally look at the studies and post the results...I`ll post them for you, oh look, it is 50%, surprise surprise

@tedgp: like I said, just read the thread. while the nerve endings may get damaged, it doesn`t curb the sensation of sex very much (per the anecdotal evidence in this very thread).
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Female 7,815
Angillion is right, and Tedgp- well- I can hope. I hate them all chopped up- no fun to play with. a bit like opening a toy and finding a bit missing. Luckily I live somewhere that most men are intact.
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Male 12,365
[quote]quite simply by circumcising your kids arent christians saying that gods `design` was flawed?[/quote]

I must remember to ask some Muslims about that contradiction. The ban on changing your god`s work is very clearly and explicitly stated in Islam, much more so than in Christianity. For example, cutting a mark into the edge of a cow`s ear is explicitly forbidden (it was a common way to identify the cow`s owner). It goes that far. Even tattoos are a contentious issue in Islam and generally considered forbidden. So why is permanent mutilation required?
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Male 2,516
@Angilion: Ah I see, you`re right and I fully agree with your position.

And yes, some of them do account for religion, with the expected results. Faith (or religious obedience at least) is often cited as the reason the test subjects won`t engage in safer sexual practices.

That`s not to say they don`t do it because it`s in their religion, by and large that`s the one part of their book of rules no one is following at all, but that is why they don`t wear condoms. Heck, up until recently the government of South Africa was denying that HIV causes AIDS
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Male 871
quite simply by circumcising your kids arent christians saying that gods `design` was flawed?

I thought the big cheesus was infallible?
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Male 12,365
Incidentally, jendrian, can you answer the question of whether or not the studies account for the extremely relevant factor of religion? Or, more directly, the frequency of sex, the number of sexual partners and the number of sexual partners of those sexual partners?

My point stands anyway - advocates of genital mutilation neither know nor care what the answer to that question is. They`re not interested in the truth, only in excuses for their customs.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Buiadh, Angilion, and all the others saying it doesn`t decrease the chance of AIDS, it actually does, read the data (if you have access or know of someone with access to scientific medical journals), you`ll be surprised at what you find.[/quote]

I haven`t said that there isn`t some evidence that it decreases the chance of infection by HIV in some circumstances.

I have said these things:

1) Advocates of genital mutilation have seized on the recent HIV studies in order to pretend that their cultural customs (which are about preventing masturbation, predate the studies and are in no way connected to them) aren`t cultural customs. These advocates have not looked at the studies, do not know what the results were and will not make any attempt to find out.

2) Despite their claims, infants in the USA are not routinely sexually abused and so are not all at risk of HIV infection from sexual abuse.

3) Consent is important.
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Male 2,516
haha yeah, I remember seeing some of those pamphlets Angilion mentions once when I first found out circumcision was popular in the US, it makes you feel you`re looking at some kind of twisted movie outline.
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Male 12,365
Incidentally, anyone who thinks that the custom of male genital mutilation in the USA has any basis in either Judaism or hygeine should get their heads out of the arses, break the habit of a lifetime and use a few minutes of their time to acquire some knowledge.

It was less than 150 years ago that anti-masturbation hysteria made genital mutilation a custom in the USA. Much of the original material still exists and it`s all widely documented. It`s even the root of why anaesthetic wasn`t used - it was *meant* to be extremely painful in order to more strongly impose the lesson into the victims` minds.
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Male 1,249
The thing that gets me is its always the religious people that want to change the way God designed your body, as if to say "Im sure he didnt to put this here..."
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Male 2,516
@scuzoid: the only causation I`m implying is that culturally deluded people will try to convince themselves and others that their barbarism is not only normal but beneficial, and you`re constantly proving that point and even fully accept it. What is *your* point man?

I specifically said in the studies I cited before that there is scientifically studied correlation between the practice and the alluded benefits and, darkmagic1an, I am anti-circumcision and I completely agree with the data.

Buiadh, Angilion, and all the others saying it doesn`t decrease the chance of AIDS, it actually does, read the data (if you have access or know of someone with access to scientific medical journals), you`ll be surprised at what you find.

But like I said before, there are just as many studies that prove regular hygiene and protected sex far, and I mean far reduce your chances of contagion.
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Male 12,365
[quote]lets see - 50% less chance of catching an STD or SLIGHT (if any) increased pleasure during sex. I`ll take the former[/quote]

Firstly, the studies that actually exist don`t show what you claim they show. Unlike you, I`ve actually looked at them.

Secondly, you`re still ignoring the point that people are making - informed consent. You can decide that it`s a good idea to have part of your genitals cut off. That is not the same as forcing the mutilation onto someone else without their consent because it`s the custom in your culture.

Thirdly, you`re ignoring the sexual abuse issue. You`re claiming that in your culture infants are sexually abused so often that anything that might reduce the risk of them being infected by being abused, even permanent mutilation, is justifiable. Why the hell aren`t you objecting to the endemic sexual abuse of infants that you`re claiming is so very common in your culture?
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Male 12,365
[quote]so does christianity, and yet christians still have sex outside of wedlock.[/quote]

The rules in Islam are often clearer and often obeyed to a larger extent by followers.

Take, for example, praying. Many Muslims do pray 5 times per day. Not many Christians pray 7 times per day.

I note that you are, as I expected, unable to answer the question and unwilling to even try. Maybe you`ve already looked and found that it`s not the answer you wanted.
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Male 3,285
There are Zero benefits to circumcision, unless you have a severe case of Phimosis.

End if story. and dark, as for nerve endings, yes you do have less of them. The nerve endings get damaged to the point the body cant repair them. Thats the reason the foreskin is there in the first place. To protect the head and the nerves.
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Male 1,625
like I said when I first stated there are health benefits, the anti-circumcision people would just dismiss the studies since it doesn`t support their argument. and people who keep saying "there are more nerve endings, it feels better," might want to read through the thread. there are first hand accounts of people who had the foreskin removed and the effects to sex were negligible.

lets see - 50% less chance of catching an STD or SLIGHT (if any) increased pleasure during sex. I`ll take the former, especially since it means I will last a little longer.
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Male 1,625
[quote] Islam strongly disapproves of sex outside of marriage[/quote]

so does christianity, and yet christians still have sex outside of wedlock.

bible also says not to work on the sabbath (coming from the old testament, it would related to all abrahamic religions [judaism, christianity, and islam]), yet, plenty of religious people work on saturday and sunday
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Male 7,123
Maimonides certainly maintained that the purpose of circumcision was to reduce sexual desire and pleasure. He thought that was a good thing.
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Male 12,365
I`m curious...did that famous study on HIV in a part of Africa take religion into account? Islam strongly disapproves of sex outside of marriage (the moderate position is that the appropriate punishment is 100 lashes) so it`s plausible that Muslim men would, on average, have fewer sexual partners and therefore, on average, less risk of HIV infection.


The question serves a secondary purpose - to demonstrate that the people in favour of mutilating infants` genitals by force because it`s a custom in the barbaric culture they live in won`t know the answer because they neither know nor care what the truth is anyway. Their views predate the study, so it`s not the cause of them.
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Male 12,365
[quote]and no, there ARE health benefits (reduces the chances of AIDs and STDs), but you`ll just dismiss them because it doesn`t support your argument.[/quote]

If you live in a country where sexual abuse of infants is so common that the risk of infants getting infected with HIV is high enough to warrant routine mutilation, then I suggest that you should be trying to change that.

You don`t really, do you? You`re just making it up, aren`t you?
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Male 12,365
[quote]the jewish people believed it would curb masterbation, that isn`t a US thing[/quote]

You`re either deliberately ignorant of the subject or a liar. Or, of course, both.

Either way, your opinion on the subject is worthless.
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Male 81
What`s up with dads wanting their sons to have a penis like theirs..? "I can`t have an intact penis so neither will you? MUAHAHAHA!"?
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Male 260
Yep. It`s mutilation. It`s forced removal of a body part without consent with no medical justification. That is mutilation.
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Male 3,285
@madduck it`s been going on for 2000 years or more. Dont get your hopes up.
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Female 7,815
Ok- I quite like penises- they are sweet things- if not chopped about. One intact specimen is waaaay more fum than one with bits missing. Given this is a procedure done for no benefit what soever and it is not reversible I would hope that it dies out very soon....
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Male 116
gets me when people say "its cleaner" try washing the fcuking thing!
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Male 1,268
Perhaps you need to reeducate yourself. Correlation does not imply causation. It should be fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain people will justify their cultural norms. Yes, regardless of how barbaric those norms may be. That doesn`t mean all other cultural norms have to be barbaric. THAT is where you failed to make any point with your statement.

"next thing you`ll be all about justifying pouring gravy on french fries because it`s popular in your home country."

Come on. If you`re going to debate this, at least understand what you`re trying to argue.

The pros and cons to circumcision are purely aesthetic, regardless of what a friends friend said about his or what some chick who`s required to make her man feel good about his penis say. Aesthetic "mutilation" of the body is normal.
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Male 735
if i have a son i`ll probably have him circumcised, just so he can be like his old pep pep
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Male 2,516
yes it`s supposed to prove a point, that whatever is culturally popular gets somehow justified, no matter how barbaric. And you just proved that point.
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Male 1,268
And if female circumcision were popular in my home country, you`re right, I WOULD be justifying it. Was that supposed to prove a point?

It`s a cultural practice that has no adverse effects. I`ve had sex with and without foreskin, makes no difference to anyone other than those who think it would be awesome if they still had their`s or those with foreskin who, apparently, are constantly on the lookout for parents doing something they don`t like. Oddly enough, most of these men aren`t parents themselves, they just clearly know better and need something to rage about.
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Male 6,737
I agree with what`s been said below.

Forced circumcision = bad.

Circumcision removes much of the sensation of sex. One of my friends had to have his foreskin removed and said it feels like he`s wearing a condom all the time.

The health benefits are next to zero. If you wash yourself then you`ll stay disease free. People spouting about it reducing cancer/HIV? Bollocks! The "studies" into his are small and not worth the time of day.

Women prefer mutilated men? Let`s establish something... penises is f*cking ugly. There`s no way around that. Oh and darling, if you want me cut, you`ll get a female circumcision too.

Which brings me on to my next point, women think female circumcision is barbaric? It is exactly the same as male cutting.

Circumcision in the UK (and much of the western world outside the US) is either religious or for complication reasons similar to appendix or tonsil removal. And that`s how it should stay.
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Male 2,516
@Scuzoid: next thing you`ll be all about justifying female circumcision and flagellation of babies because it`s popular in your home country.

It`s not about foreskin, it`s about mutilating babies for no valid reason.
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Male 1,268
People are strangely aggressive about foreskin. Dude`s, it`s just some skin, no need to justify it`s existence to the point you burst a blood vessel.
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Female 6,381
"Mommy`s taking me to some kinda summer circus!"
"Aw, lucky guy! If I ask my Mom, can I come, too?"
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Male 2,440
"Foreskins look weird." Fuuuuuuuu*ck you. It protects the head, rolls back and feels good, and has 20,000 fine touch nerve endings. Oh, and it`s also more pleasurable for the woman too, as the foreskin rolls back and forth when having penetrative sex. But oh no, "foreskins are filthy." Soap exists. Showers exists. Now go f*ck yourself.
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Male 1,216
@LordJim, Unfortunately, kikes believe that penis mutilation should be done when the boy is 8 days old.
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Male 2,516
oh wait, my wife`s mom (a nurse with decades of experience) says she saw an old uncircumcised guy rupture his foreskin when he got hard. So there`s that. If it hurts when you`re old, might wanna consider circumcision as well
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Male 2,516
Also, I dated two girls from the US before getting married, and both of them said my uncircumcised penis felt better than circumcised ones, but who knows, it might just be that I`m really good in bed.

From what I can tell, the only women to complain about uncircumcised penises are from the US, everybody else in the world seems to find circumcised penises odd-looking.
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Male 2,516
Similarly, this study done in Australia with a somewhat significant sample found herpes and gonorrhoea susceptibility is also reduced with circumcision.

On the same vein though, genital hygiene shows a similar number of studies, most of them with better prevention numbers so... if you`re lazy enough to not clean your genitals, surgical intervention will help with at least those 3 STDs, provided you`re promiscuous and don`t use condoms.
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Male 2,516
I feel like I should add my thoughts on this:

First, I think it`s a horrible thing to do to a baby.

Second, as a skeptic of popular medical claims, I went right to the source: the medical journals. As it turns out every single study done on the subject of circumcision and STDs has been done in Africa - mostly in Uganda - and it involves solely AIDS, it doesn`t "prevent STDs", it drastically decreases the chances of acquiring AIDS, just that one STD. All studies, including the first one where the correlation was found by mistake, are cut before the due end of the study because the results at that stage are statistically conclusive. I`ve seen the data, and being extensively trained in statistics, it makes sense.

So there you have it, if you`re in Uganda and commonly engage in unprotected sex, then you may want to get a circumcision. Otherwise not much of a real advantage.
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Female 1,181
Circumcision has many, many benefits, including a *much* lower chance of contracting HIV & certain cancers. It`s also cleaner and looks better.

IMO, uncircumcised guys are a major turn-off.
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Male 1,216
@It doesn`t do nothing to aids and stds, it only removes the chance of smegma.

And there is a difference between tonsil removal and circumcision, because the tonsils are defected, the foreskin isn`t
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Male 1,216
Circumcised since birth here, it is mutilation. A person should be given a choice. You can`t just do that to a person who is unaware of what is happening.
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Male 559
Circumcision is unnecessary mutilation of the genitals. Barbaric and archaic religious mumbo jumbo bullpoo.
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Male 121
My 2 cents: I heard that male circumcision reduces genital cancers for their female partners. Anyone know?
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Male 1,268
"I have a shower and I use it."

The military did my circumcision. Up till I brought it up, I had never gone more than a day without a shower in my life. Then I asked about some special training courses and my impending deployment, and the probability of going a week without a shower was clarified.

I had the added "benefit" of phimosis to make me realize I needed the circumcision, but even for guys without it, one or two towelettes won`t cut it for a week.

It hurt like bloody hell. I won`t compare sex because mine is WAY better without a foreskin that doesn`t retract, but even so, I doubt it makes that much of a difference for those that do.
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Male 2,592
I`ve had to thank my parents for having my wang "mutilated" as a baby. I`ve had one gf who told me she thought an un-circumsized johnson looks like a spoiled carrot and grossed her completely the hell out. So thanks again, parents.
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Male 1,625
[quote]Are you aware that the "health benefits" that are the cause of the cultural custom of genital mutilation in the USA were the belief that it would prevent masturbation and that masturbation caused fatal degenerative diseases?[/quote]

the jewish people believed it would curb masterbation, that isn`t a US thing

and no, there ARE health benefits (reduces the chances of AIDs and STDs), but you`ll just dismiss them because it doesn`t support your argument.

[quote]If I overpowered you and removed your tonsils by force without your consent, that would be mutilation too.[/quote]

a child is taken to the hospital, complaining of pain in the stomach; the child is scared of surgery and refuses it. guess what, its not the child`s choice, its the parent`s...same deal here.
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Male 5,620
@Gerry -- Yes, they do! Out of foreskin!
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Male 4,893
Both sides have valid points. Compromise: remove half.
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Male 1,243
Why does being circumcised help with getting blow jobs, the skin pulls back quite easily you know. I like the variable sensations I can get with having a foreskin. I reckon I would miss it if I had to get it chopped off. As for getting it done to children by default, seems like a dark ages kind of mentality to me, give them the choice when they are older, it`s like religion, don`t brainwash them, let them decide when they are old enough.
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Male 37,889

They also make shutters?
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Male 2,578
Some people who have no knowledge of circumcision are pretty weird about it. Mind your own problems. I`m happy with my "mutilated" penis and I`m glad my chance of catching AIDS and other diseases is significantly less, as well as the fact that my penis is better for blow jobs. So chill, I don`t need your preachiness to "liberate" me from this oppression.
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Male 5,473
I`m a physician. I`ve seen people on the surgical list for circumcision at 30 & 40 years old due to constrictions from repeated infections. Granted this is uncommon, but I`m happy mine was done as a baby!
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Male 5
If you want you kid to get a blowjob when he`s older, you will circumcise them!
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Male 1,010
Obviously God made another mistake but if we fix it as soon as the baby is born nobody notices.
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Male 11
It`s really a ritual sacrifice, but it doesn`t work properly unless you say the magic words.
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Male 1,595
The fact the sign is obviously filthy makes it seem sketchy as Hell.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Stays cleaner,longer,no infections from sweat....I`m ok with it[/quote]

I have a shower and I use it. The fact that you don`t is your problem, not a reason to mutilate children`s genitals before their old enough to fight back.

Longer? You think it`s like pruning a plant to encourage growth?

No infections from sweat...is normal. You may as well argue that cutting a couple of toes off means that you can wear socks. Unless, of course, you`re *really* filthy and don`t wash from one year to the next. Just how dirty are you?
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Male 12,365
[quote]its mutilation only in the same sense that removing the appendix or tonsils is mutilation.[/quote]

If I overpowered you and removed your tonsils by force without your consent, that would be mutilation too. I`d probably be jailed for years for a serious assault charge, or maybe sectioned as a dangerous nutter.

[quote]the health benefits vastly outweigh the cons.[/quote]

Are you aware that the "health benefits" that are the cause of the cultural custom of genital mutilation in the USA were the belief that it would prevent masturbation and that masturbation caused fatal degenerative diseases?

Health benefits my arse. People are making excuses because they want to cut part of their childrens` genitals off because it`s the custom where they live. Or maybe because it gives them a thrill, who knows?

You want to cut part of your own dick off, fine. You want to cut part of someone else`s dick off by force against their will, not
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Male 1,526
I do. The ones it`s done to have no say in the matter, and can not reason like adults even if give a choice.
Any other body modifications require that the person is 18 or older to get done.
I don`t like the fact that children can get tattoos or piercings with parental consent even.
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Male 153
All I can think of is Rabbi Tuckman from Robin Hood: Men in Tights
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Male 4,977
me
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Male 2,578
My Dutch girlfriend loves my "mutilated" penis compared to what she had before.
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Male 2,136
Stays cleaner,longer,no infections from sweat....I`m ok with it...(Not that I had a choice)...I just wish they didn`t make it so small....
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Male 7,123
Only operate if there is a genuine medical reason or if here is informed consent from the subject.

If you need to cut people before they are fully part of your religion, fine. As long as they can make that choice. What is the problem with waiting until they can decide for thmselves?
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Male 687
buy 2 get 1 free
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Male 13
@darkmagic: Do you remove your infants tonsils and appendix at birth too? Try waiting until it`s necessary to remove it, just like you wait until it`s necessary to remove the appendix and tonsils.

If there is a problem, then remove it. It makes no sense to remove it at birth. Never has.
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Male 4,431
I`m fine with circumcision. Or going uncircumcised. Whichever, whatever. I`m talking about the whole "Kid`s Clinic" part of it? Is that like, "Hey, let`s go get vaccinated, school clothes and cirumcucised! Yay!"?
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Male 904
Chopping off a body part as either a preventative measure or to do it cuz they did it in the bible? Um, yeah, that`s not cool, dude.
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Male 1,625
its mutilation only in the same sense that removing the appendix or tonsils is mutilation. the health benefits vastly outweigh the cons.
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Male 3,909
@SmagBoy1 - Nope, it has to be real, otherwise it wouldn`t be on the internet...
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Male 228
I don`t.
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Male 4,431
Okay, so, I`m assuming it`s been shopped? Please tell me yes. Ack!
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Male 380
I think people should be given the choice when they reach adulthood.
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Male 2,516
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Female 9,375
Maybe they`re Jewish.
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Male 19,658
Link: Kid`s Summer Special: Inquire Within [Pic] [Rate Link] - On a serious I-A-B note, how many of you think this practice is mutilation?
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