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Date: 07/30/12 10:00 AM

28 Responses to James Holmes Charged With 24 Murder Counts [Pic+]

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    July 30, 2012 at 9:53 am
    Link: James Holmes Charged With 24 Murder Counts - As well as 116 counts of attempted murder. And the case moves on...
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 10:06 am
    I really don`t understand why he gets two counts of murder for each person.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 30, 2012 at 10:23 am
    The circus is in town! **sigh**
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 30, 2012 at 10:31 am
    In Colorado each murder carries two separate murder charges, one for premeditation and one for "showing extreme indifference to life"
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 30, 2012 at 10:35 am

    12 deaths = 24 murders
    Did he only shoot pregnant women?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    July 30, 2012 at 10:39 am
    In Colorado each murder carries two separate murder charges, one for premeditation and one for "showing extreme indifference to life"
    That`s asinine. So if I applied the same logic to theft I get a theft charge and a "showing extreme disregard for shops." How does that work?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    July 30, 2012 at 10:43 am
    Here`s what was submitted to the court.

    The People of the State of Colorado vs. James Eagan Holmes (PDF - 40 pages)
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 11:14 am
    LOOK! They`ve taken his picture from YET ANOTHER angle! Must be yet another James Holmes decoy sent by the gov`mint!
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    palmer050 Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 11:21 am
    Hope he spends the rest of his pathetic life in prison tormented by the faces of his victims the sick a$$hole, he doesn`t deserve to die yet, that`s the easy way out for what he has done to those people and their families.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 30, 2012 at 11:55 am

    12 deaths = 24 murders

    Someone went to public school
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    July 30, 2012 at 11:58 am
    @palmer050- even if he gets the death penalty, he will spend years if not decades on death row while he plods through the appeals process.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    In Colorado each murder carries two separate murder charges, one for premeditation and one for "showing extreme indifference to life"

    That`s not what Andrew155 et alia are asking. That information is explicitly stated in the article.

    People are asking *why* the law is that people are charged with two murders for every one murder they are charged with. That`s not how criminal law usually works. If I went to Colorado and stole a car, would I be charged with stealing 2 cars? If I got a job working for the state in Colorado, would I get paid two wages?

    I`m guessing that it`s a way of getting a higher conviction rate by convicting people of murder even when the prosecution fails to prove their case.
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    JaundiceCake Female 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    I think the counts were doubled because of the violence of the case, from what I heard.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    July 30, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    I think the counts were doubled because of the violence of the case, from what I heard.
    But it`s still asinine. All it takes is one murder conviction for life in prison in the US. All other murder charges, while applicable, are redundant. It`s not murder, it`s DOUBLE MURDER, full on all the way! It just makes no sense.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    He sounds like a smart kid. I bet he started going to therapy and progressively started acting more and more crazy, and then finally dropped out of school just to give himself the appearance of progressive insanity. Or run with me here.. as a neuroscience major, he downloaded his conscience into a super body using the souls of the innocent to harvest the power for his mind transfer. At least, that`s the twist ending I`m writing for the movie adaptation.
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
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    July 30, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    ....and?


    why would we care
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    The laws in the US haven`t made sense in a long time. Whatever your views on OJ Simpson, he had to pay huge damages for the crime he was found "Not Guilty" of. Pot is a class A controlled substance with harsher penalties than cocain and alcohol {worst drug of all} is legal. There is "no double jeapordy" but the Rodney King beating cops, after a not guilty verdit, were tried again by the Feds and found guilty...all over the same beating.

    US Legal system has no justice in it. Don`t expect it to.
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    Theyoyoguy Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    Can`t someone just finish the job and spare us this agonizing trial/appeal process?

    What? Cold hard justice is the right kind. Dirty Harry would agree with me.
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    Marksman Male 40-49
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    July 30, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    The Joker has GREEN hair.....freak.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    July 30, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    "I really don`t understand why he gets two counts of murder for each person."

    Becaue Murder with Deliberation (premeditated murder) and Murder with Extreme Indifference are two seperate and unique charges. He`s just lucky enough to have commited them both. What did you want them to do? Choose one or the other ?
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    NyQ Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    The reason that there are two charges for each person is the state intends to the offense against each victim under two different theories. Double jeopardy does attach and he cannot be convicted of two murder charges for the same victim.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    If he can`t be convicted of both, that`s strange that they would bring both. No matter what, half the charges can`t possibly be correct.

    Yes, they should just choose one or the other, the one that applies best. OR, they can create a new charge to apply to this sort of event. A pre-meditated mass murder is a pre-meditated mass murder. There`s no need to make this complicated and turn 12 murders into 24 and so on. It`s strange.

    US legal system is overly convoluted, this is just one example.
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    NyQ Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    It`s not strange that they would bring both even if he can`t be convicted of both. At this point, the evidence is still shaking out and the ability of the state to amend the indictment later to include more charges is likely limited. They`ll drop some charges before trial, if it ever gets that far.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    July 30, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    @Marksman- YEAH, RIGHT??!!
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    cyborg Male 13-17
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    July 30, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    mental illness? more of a Scarecrow then a Bane...
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    blastaof Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 9:48 pm
    You bring all of the charges so that the jury can convict in one of multiple ways. Also it is possible that both are correct, but he would still only be found guilty of one.

    e.g. A law says murder = A + B, or C + D
    If the defendant did A,B,C, and D to the same person he is guilty of one murder, but the jury only needs to find A + B or C + D. If the prosecution only accused him of doing A + B and the jury believes C + D, you get a not guilty verdict, thus you throw it all in there.
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    blastaof Male 18-29
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    July 30, 2012 at 9:50 pm
    At this stage of the game the facts aren`t fully developed to know which theory is the best/easiest to pursue and you want the jury to have max options.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    August 1, 2012 at 5:05 am
    I say we let Elvira have him.

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