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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    July 10, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    Link: How Was The World Created? - ...According to six different theories, religions and beliefs.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 10, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    Hmmm. I don`t understand science. So I`ll pick the fairy tale that was most closely associated with the way I was raised.

    Mmmmmm. Faith.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    July 10, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    My favorite is Scientology:

    "Xenu, an intergalactic ruler, was about to be removed from power, and he wasn’t having any of it. Instead, he got rid of the population that was planning to take him out by paralyzing and taking them to Earth. There, he loaded them into volcanoes, destroying them with hydrogen bombs.

    Bodies gone, he gathered the thetans and implanted misleading data, such as all religions, into their memories.

    The thetans began to cluster together and inhabit bodies of aliens that survived the blast (how they survived a hydrogen bomb, one can only guess). Voila! You have the predecessors to modern humans, and these thetans continue to move from body to body and life to life accumulating more misleading data along the way."
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    July 10, 2012 at 7:59 pm
    What was there before the big bang? And why does the name sound like my first introduction to sex?
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    CaptainPabst Male 18-29
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    July 10, 2012 at 8:03 pm
    Us vs them mentality will get us no where. No one including science has the whole picture in their grasp.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    July 10, 2012 at 8:11 pm
    Just so you know, Hindu people, at least the ones I know, don`t actually think that their mythology is literal. Rather, V.S. Ramachandran, for example, says that every Hindu knows it is just a metaphor and the universe isn`t really "Shiva`s dance of creation" - so one could go on to speculate that EVERY mythology is just a metaphor and not to be taken literally. Heck, when I eat the little wafer at church, I don`t think I`m literally eating Christ`s body (although I have an insane aunt who actually does believe that) because any rational person knows it is metaphorically Christ`s body, not literally
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 10, 2012 at 8:18 pm
    CaptainPabst

    "No one including science has the whole picture in their grasp."

    Yes. Good point. Science can`t explain EVERYTHING so let`s go with ummmmm, God did it.
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    sariel Male 18-29
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    July 10, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    I find creation myths so beautiful
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    July 10, 2012 at 9:45 pm
    I think (insert belief here) sneezed and pointed and tada.. a world full of A@@holes appeared..
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    July 10, 2012 at 9:46 pm
    @markus123: one theory suggests there was an entire universe before the big bang, it expanded, contracted and just before reaching a singularity, it exploded again (our big bang). this theory also suggests that our universe will some day stop expanding and contract again to nearly a singularity until it explodes into another new universe, how is this any different than Hindu belief?

    other theories suggest there was literally nothing, how is that any different than the Judeo-Christian belief?
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    July 10, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    I think (insert belief here) sneezed and pointed and tada.. a world full of A@@holes appeared..

    are you referring to the Great Green Arkleseizure?
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    July 10, 2012 at 10:01 pm
    Yeah, but all that science stuff is just their opinion.

    Okay, not really, but some religist nut was bound to say it, so I thought I`d save him/her the trouble get to say they`re stupid at the same time. 8-)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 10, 2012 at 10:12 pm
    Darkmagic broke the code.

    Most Christians believe this.

    There is the storybook God version, and the scientifically explainable version which is the same, only told differently.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 10, 2012 at 11:34 pm
    I prefer the Hopi: God created everything. You wanna know how and why? How the hell would I know? Ask HIM!
    It`s a touch more complex than that, but close enough.

    Nothing in the "Science Proof" isn`t a thing that couldn`t have been created by Jehova, just FYI y`atheists... wait, let me count my `negatives` one... two...

    vv @mervviscious: Sound like the Inca Myth: The Creator God had his `head` cut off and hung on a tree (He`d lost a battle? idk) and a female God came along and "pulled on his nose" causing him to "sneeze" which shot right up her Va-J-J producing (9 months later) twin boys! It gets weirder after that...
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 12:17 am
    The Christians change their standpoint all the time to cover for new advances in science.

    Soon they`re argument will be, "because I said so".
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 12:56 am
    So if a system is highly complex and logic based it is true? The same big bang/creation that created the universe and man kind brought us the kardasians, jersey shore, our politicians and many scientists. Honestly, how is anyone supposed to make sense of this reality?
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    Aragnarok Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 1:04 am
    So perhaps the atheists could answer why in posts like this in which "science" seems to be the only acceptable standard of qualification, that atheists actually ignore several basic and fundamental LAWS of science that pretty much rules out atheism as a viable belief structure? Seems pretty hypocritical, but exactly like the extremism we see in religion are atheists so steeped in only acknowledging that which supports their point of view and ignoring all else resort to such tactics as these so they feel justified? I would really be interested in learning why this is when they constantly want scientific proof yet ignore what basic science says about it? Can atheists really refute the Laws of science and still justify it somehow?
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 1:19 am
    Aragnarok:

    wot...?

    Science is agnostic. Science doesn`t deal in the supernatural. It goes based off of measurable evidence. It deals with the real and natural world.

    Even when I was a Christian I understood that.

    CaptainPabst:

    Nothing is closer than Science. At least it`s willing to change to better fit the evidence and admit when it`s wrong - unlike most religion.

    Maybe both of you missed the `evidence` part?
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 1:20 am
    auburnjunky:

    Science doesn`t deal with god or anything supernatural. You`re quite mistaken if you think it does.

    Can you work out why?
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    Aragnarok Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 1:40 am
    @Mesovortex - "Science is agnostic. Science doesn`t deal in the supernatural. It goes based off of measurable evidence. It deals with the real and natural world.

    Even when I was a Christian I understood that. "

    Of course science could be considered "agnostic", or more precisely it is simply a methodology of understanding our state of existence and everything in it. What I don`t think you understand is that I was referring to the argument commonly used by atheists that "science" itself being a singular qualification method for atheism when it clearly disqualifies that belief structure.

    Secondly, if you are assuming that I identify as christian then you are again mistaken.
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    Aragnarok Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 1:55 am
    I can see I`m going to have to explain this. For example evolution ONLY concerns itself with minute biological changes or mutations of life over time. What it does not concern itself with at all is the origins of the universe or how anything came into being, matter/energy or otherwise. So strict atheists believe either: That the sum total of matter and energy in the universe was created from nothing, which violates the scientifically proven Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy-which states that matter and energy can be neither created or destroyed but only changed from one state to the other. Or that the sum total of matter and energy in the universe has simply existed for all eternity without the need to have been created in the first place. This violates the Laws Of Cause and Effect, i.e. that a cause (creation in this case) must precede an effect (the existence of all matter and energy). If you are prone to disbelief then the most honest thing you can proclaim to be is agnostic.
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    connected09 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 1:56 am
    a co-worker`s mom makes $60 hourly on the computer. She has been out of a job for nine months but last month her payment was $21461 just working on the computer for a few hours. Go to this web site and read more NuttyRich☻com
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 2:27 am
    Aragnarok:

    Not really. I`m an atheist so let me spell it out for you. First, evolution only concerns the change of life over time. It doesn`t care about how life started or how planets started - those are other fields of science.

    As far as where everything came from, the best answer is to say you don`t know until evidence comes forward to support a conclusion. If I see evidence for a god, then great, fantastic. However, since it`s supernatural I will default with a no until natural evidence that cannot be explained in any other way presents itself.

    Do you accept that unicorns exist? Or flying spaghetti monsters?

    When you realize why you reject all other gods but the one you believe in, then you`ll understand why I reject yours.
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 2:29 am
    Aragnarok:

    "Cause and effect" isn`t a law of science. Plus, even if it was, you`d have to assume that `god` has a cause, too. You can`t exempt god from that `law`.

    Quantum mechanics is flying in the face of this `cause and effect` notion, the last I heard - but it`s still naturalistic methodology and doesn`t invoke supernatural explanations.
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    Arcval Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 2:50 am
    @Aragnarok:
    You can create matter from nothing without breaking thermodynamics or the laws of cause and effect (well we`ve observed it, not yet figured out how to do it on demand yet). The explanation is far too long for a post (or series of) for someone without the relevant background knowledge which I presume you don`t have.
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    New_Guy Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 3:17 am
    the higgs particle look it up non believers
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    Qystein Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 3:24 am
    Compare Hindu theory to the bounce theory...
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    one47master Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 3:48 am
    aragnarok:

    the big bang doesnt create the universe from nothing. it mearly expands everything from a singularity. this singularity contained all the energy that is in the universe today.

    and for those that ask what happened before the big bang. well the bigbang created time. so there was no before because if time didnt exist then there is no such thing as before.

    new theories are saying that the universe was created from the collision of separate universes. also say aragnaroks accusation was correct which it isnt, and atheists ignore evidence, look at any other religion. the scope of evidence ignored by them far out weights that of atheists. although scientists do not ignore evidence. although general relativity is a tried and tested theory. if one bit of evidence comes up that relativity doesnt explain, (within its own parameters) then it would be changed or abolished for something better. I dont see the same rigger for say christians throwing out the bible
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 3:52 am
    You forgot scientology: invented by L Ron Hubbard with the sole intention (by his own admission) of making vast sums of money.
    Yes, I know they`re all the same but at least he came out and admitted it.
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    MrLill Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 5:11 am
    This is a dishonorable use of science.
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    Vimto Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 5:42 am
    No mention of the Great Green Arkleseizure?
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    cheeseb Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 5:55 am
    Ah, this post feels great.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 5:58 am
    I predict that someone will be along to pluck meaningless quotes from the bible as if they actually meant anything in 3, 2, 1...
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    greekhop Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 6:05 am
    The scientific explanation is a theory, and no serious scientist claims otherwise. Notice the use of words `most likely. Theories usually change over time, and either way, saying there was a big bang doest really explain much more than the other `religious` versions, and neither does it contradict them, its just an extremely general explanation and doestn get into much detail. Beyond the big bang are a million competeting theories of how we got to today, how life was created, etc etc, its hardly a clear or universally accepted state of affaris. At least the religious believers can settle on what their version of creation is. The scientific community is ininitely fractured and as such not really a serious contender to even be on this list, if you look at it... scientificaly. In 1-200 hundred years your science will look far more foolish than these religious. And you gotta admit, the Judeo Christian version is far less kookey and open to plausible interpretations than the other ones.
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    RevWubby Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 6:05 am
    Morality is caring enough about the world to verify your knowledge and question your beliefs. Science gives us the best route knowledge. Unjustifiable beliefs can never lead to moral acts. The best they can do is be helpful by accident.
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 6:31 am
    shinto also says there were naked gods and sex involved. works for me.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:32 am
    @MacGuffin Ecclesiastes 12:8
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:38 am
    @aragnarok: You must be trolling. Either that or you are possibly some first-year undergrad who has taken one physics class and thinks they know everything about science. Others have already pointed out your erroneous reasoning so I won`t beat a dead horse. Atheism is the only logical stance science can support, it`s the best theory that fits the evidence.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:47 am
    @greekhop: Actually the Big Bang is the consensus of the scientific community.

    At least the religious believers can settle on what their version of creation is.

    Well it`s not too hard when you have one thing saying what it is with no justification and doesn`t even allow attempts to deter from that declaration.

    well the bigbang created time. so there was no before because if time didnt exist then there is no such thing as before.
    Finally someone is understanding. Although that in itself is a postulation, when physics attains a `theory of everything` perhaps we can answer these questions.
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:54 am
    uhh, saying the evidence that universe was created like that is the theory of relativity is like saying "says so in the bible".
    Real evidence? Observation, simple as that, from observation einstein wrote the theory of relativity, confirming observation. In no way the theory is evidence in itself, the same for hubbles law...
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:13 am
    greekhop:

    The Big Bang is explained by the evidence. There is no evidence for `creation` guesses. Also, a scientific theory is not a random guess. It is heavily supported by evidence. The earth going around the sun is a scientific theory. Germs causing you to be sick is also a scientific theory.

    Science did a lot for you that religion didn`t. Yet, you`d rather conveniently ignore it.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:15 am
    >>>> from observation einstein wrote the theory of relativity, confirming observation<<<

    Not quite he formulated a theory that, as far we can tell so far, matches observations. This is not the same as confirming observation.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:27 am
    I`m going to start telling Christians I worship the norse gods.When they say that is silly i`ll tell them their religion is false and Odin will punish them for worshipping a false god. Then we`ll get into an argument that nobody will ever win BUT just MAYBE they`ll realize how stupid this poo is.
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    Maxmarg66 Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:56 am
    Yea, yea, you`re smart, we`re stupid, bla, bla, bla....
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:04 am
    Matthew 6:28

    Oh drat! @Draculya beat me to it!

    @Quackor: Nicely said! Excellent observation.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:05 am
    @greekhop

    I read your first statement and had to stop. Your argument is that the big bang is a theory? Okay, well gravity is also a theory. Why don`t you go jump of a bride.. I`m sure if you have faith, your god won`t let some crazy hair brained theory kill you.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:42 am
    @theists - just admit that your storys sound crazy.
    @athiests - stop trying to change the theist mind. They have "faith" and your internet words will not change that. (just like these words won`t convince either side to shut up)
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    Lord_Jereth Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:51 am
    @TKD_Master

    "I`m going to start telling Christians I worship the norse gods. When they say that is silly i`ll tell them their religion is false and Odin will punish them for worshipping a false god. Then we`ll get into an argument that nobody will ever win BUT just MAYBE they`ll realize how stupid this poo is."

    I used to have a bit of fun doing this exact thing in the 90`s in AOL and Yahoo! chatrooms. Entering a fundy room and asking boldly if they had all heard the good news of Thor and would they mind if I spend a few minutes sharing the word of The Thunderer with them would usually get me banned or DDOSed within a few minutes.

    Good times.

    8-) LJ

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    Grumpdock Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:03 am
    And so was the great poostorm of this day.

    (until the next post flaming religion comes along (tomorrow))
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    FartCommandr Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:16 am
    its funny how a couple of them had gods sprout from EARTHLY creatures such as SNAKES, COWS, AND TREES ! Before the earth was made. Its amazing how evolution still doesn`t work fast with alot of human brains.
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    IRockYeah Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:34 am
    Science is right???

    God help us all.
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:35 am
    @turdburglar: Wrong. People deconvert all the time because of "internet words".

    Here are a few examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

    And that`s just a sampling from a two-day period at a single forum.
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    Johanvb Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:24 am
    F* science. I choose Norse.

    Science may be the truth, but it just can`t beat a story about a fight with a giant that gets ripped apart to call it home.
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    slimofswiv Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    i`ve only ever got anything from science, none of the others lol, fcuk the rest of them, and fcuk you yanks too
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    krw888 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    So the universe was created from a TV sitcom...
    And you expect me to believe that??
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    danthew Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    To play (ironically) the devil`s advocate.
    Science evidence: It says so in an academic paper.

    Unless you, yourself, have done the science then you are also taking it by faith. Don`t be hypocritical, be respectful.

    (I`m a Christian physicist. My personal view is to be respectful of other`s beliefs because I`d like others to be respectful of mine. I don`t believe in the Genesis creation story, I believe, however, that God caused the big bang, setting the "initial conditions" if you like that determine everything that happens. Aside from the creation story I can`t think of anything in the Bible or in science that completely contradicts each other.)
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    All sensible people know that in the end Science and Religion will go hand in hand. Even Einstein said something like that too.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    danthew

    "Aside from the creation story I can`t think of anything in the Bible or in science that completely contradicts each other."

    Outside of the creation story you can`t think of things in the bible that contradict science? Have you actually read the bible?

    Let me make a quick list for you, you may want to re-read:
    2 of every animal living on a boat for 40 days
    A man being strong because his hair is long
    Seas parting
    Rivers turning to blood
    People turning to salt
    A man living in a whale
    A virgin giving birth
    A man walking on water
    A man rising from the dead
    A talking donkey
    The Earth being flat
    Etc
    Etc
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:35 pm
    Religion doesn`t require evidence, because then it would be science. That`s the fundamental difference between religion and science.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:01 pm
    TSK! @Holygod: If we looked back at some of the STUPID things "science" used to say was true, the list would be a LOT longer as MUCH stupoider than yours, k? Apples vs Apples plz!

    Many things you list DO HAVE scientific explainations: at least possible ones...
    Blood Rivers = red tides
    Turn To Salt = nulcear blast burns
    Living In a Whale = it was a BIG fish! Not a whale
    Virgin Birth = it`s been documented many times
    Talking Donkey = You`re confusing the Bible with Shrek...

    :rimshot:
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    Ozmose Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2012 at 6:16 am
    "Aside from the creation story I can`t think of anything in the Bible or in science that completely contradicts each other."

    The Bible contradicts itself more than anything.

    I remember this part where God wipes out all the first born in Egypt.

    *skips ahead a few chapters*

    "The sons shall not pay for the sins of the father"

    O_o
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2012 at 6:43 am
    Unless you, yourself, have done the science then you are also taking it by faith.
    Um...no. An academic paper is peer-reviewed, and they are also supposed to give you all the information needed to reproduce the study. The Bible does none of this. If it were faith it would be belief in something that is not testable, or even likely. I assume when you said "Christian physicist" that you meant `physicist` in the sense that you like physics, because if you`re an actual physicist then you don`t have any idea about the platform to publish your own results.
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    one47master Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2012 at 7:56 am
    @TheGuySmiley Einstein was a naturalist. When he used the word god, he did not mean what anyone with faith means. When he talks about god, he talks about the natural universe.

    @patchgrabber. Exactly what I was going to say.

    I really think that anyone who says god started the big bang, cannot claim to be a proper physicist. Show me the maths that God did that and I will believe you.

    I don`t know what happened or why we are here. I want to know but I don`t pretend I am right about something I actually don`t know for certain. Until I have been shown beyond reasonable doubt that I am right, I will not say I am until then.

    Anyone with "faith" should give up faith and do the same. faith is the excuse used in the absence of any evidence
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2012 at 8:45 am
    "Turn To Salt = nulcear blast burns "

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2012 at 9:29 am
    5cats

    Hmmm. I often do get my fairy tales confused. Let me check. Nope. Talking Donkey. Bible. Numbers 22:28.

    Science has been wrong. And it will be wrong again. But it is the best we have at any given point with the information we have. It evolves. It progresses. It gets better every day. Religion stays the same. The same book written and rewritten and translated and retranslated hundreds of times from the folk stories passed down from generation to generation by ignorant nomadic tribes people thousands of years ago.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2012 at 9:31 am
    danthew

    Why do you need God to have made the big bang?
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    Lord_Jereth Male 40-49
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    July 12, 2012 at 11:17 am
    The difference between science and religion:

    Religion starts with a made-up conclusion and then denies any and all conflicting evidence, by any means necessary, in order to support that conclusion.

    Science starts with a hypotheses and tries to disprove said hypotheses through observation, reproducible testing results and corroborating, empirical evidence. If said hypotheses can not be disproved through these means it then becomes a theory that stands until disproved by better testing methods.

    The problem is that society dictates that an individual`s "beliefs" or faith should be respected, no matter how ludicrous or delusional. This has lead to such things as willful ignorance at best and ethnic and religious cleansing, inquisitions, religious wars and heinous acts of terrorism at worst.

    Respect for religion is an irresponsibly obsolete and dangerous practice. History repeatedly proves this.

    8-) LJ
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2012 at 1:45 am
    @HolyGod: Glad you picked up on the "fairy tale" aspect, even though Shreck (the storybook) is modren I think it still counts.

    Thanks for the reference (Book, chapter verse) It`s a pet peeve of mine when either side (ESPECIALLY the "christians" -lower case because I believe this group to be false) fail to do so.

    That donkey didn`t talk, she was... like... a puppet! YEah! That`s it!

    "Why do you need God to have made the big bang?"
    We don`t "need it" BUT the explaination is EXACTLY the same for BB and God (and His creation): Was there before time & space, always was and always will be, just happened *poof* so fast! Violates all the laws of physics we currently know, but that`s OK because we have "faith" in science/God...

    Just sayin...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2012 at 1:50 am
    "Religion starts with a made-up conclusion..."
    I disagree @LJ and here`s why:
    It may be a `nit` I`m picking but both Science and Religion observe the REAL WORLD and try to come up with explainations for HOW it is!
    How did we get here? How did the Sun form?

    Why THESE mountains, why THIS sky?

    (send it up/watch it rise/see it fall/gravity`s rainbow)

    Zennnnnn

    Ooops! Back now! Well, they just came up with different explainations. Just because science is "more modern" doesn`t mean it`s not got a LOT in common with the philosophies that came before it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2012 at 10:19 am
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    Here is my point about the big Bang / God opinion that I have heard several times:
    People say God created the Big Bang.
    Why?
    Because it had to come from somewhere.
    So everything had to come from something?
    Yes.
    Then where did God come from?
    ....

    You arrive at the exact same problem, so remove the deity and save a step.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32776 posts
    July 14, 2012 at 10:47 am
    @HolyGod: I`ve heard that arguement too: God is an "extra step".
    Except for ooooone little problem: MOTIVE!

    Why did God make the Universe? idk, but I`ll bet he had a reason!
    Why did the BigBang make the Universe? No reason.

    It seems more "logical" to me to chose the one with motive, rather than the (Infinity-1):1 "lucky chance" eh?

    Infinity minus one...

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