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103 Responses to How Many Arizona Checkpoints in One Morning?

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 6:44 am
    Link: How Many Arizona Checkpoints in One Morning? - Welcome to the Police State in Arizona.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 6:56 am
    Enlightening link, Fancy. And to think that some Americans still honestly believe that they`re "free".
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 6:58 am
    Just remember, when the Govt. starts rolling out their `loyalty tests` next, that YOU guys were the ones that voted for this crap.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 6:58 am
    all Americans are legal aliens.
    christopher columbus did not have a Visa or passport
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:04 am
    all Americans are legal aliens.
    christopher columbus did not have a Visa or passport

    In 1492, neither did anyone else.
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:06 am
    Good that this guy knows his rights, good that those cops also know his rights, bad that the cops feel the need to do this and are obviously preying upon those people that DON`T know their rights.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:10 am

    When you throw "nazi" around lightly you sound like a moron. It invalidates your point. I`m not saying he`s right or wrong, but he invalidates his point being overly dramatic. Something like "Is this communist Russia" would be better. They required travel papers.
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:10 am
    ...and to all those people that come on and say these cops will help catch terrorists, find druggies and are just doing their job. MAYBE. But would you honestly WANT to be pulled over for no apparent reason if you were in a hurry, if you were late for your job? - under which circumstance, you`d be flustered, agitated and probably more likely to be held back even longer just because of that!

    It`s exactly the same as someone randomly selecting you from people on the street and asking you to pull out your pockets. Wouldn`t you feel a little bit violated?!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:11 am

    Stupid statement #1
    "all Americans are legal aliens."
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    OwlBear Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:13 am
    is that Matthew Fox?! aka Jack from Lost
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:21 am
    someone needs to remake this vid With out a white guy and lets see if there just waved though
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:26 am
    I was expecting more checkpoints than 3, but whatever. Say Arizona, how`s that war against illegal immigrants going for ya?
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:28 am
    >>>and to all those people that come on and say these cops will help catch terrorists, find druggies and are just doing their job. MAYBE. But would you honestly WANT to be pulled over for no apparent reason if you were in a hurry, ...<<<


    A job I declined a few years back involved designing a system for use by American police forces that would allow them to identify "potential crimes" in advance (the same system is used by the Iraq Ministry for the Interior, btw: think about that). At the interview, one of their techies was going on about the Monty Hall Problem, and how the underlying mathematics of it also apparently applies to the problem of detecting crime before it actually happens.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:28 am

    They went on about how so many of the 911 hijackers were stopped for minor offences like speeding in the months before their crime, but were let go, and how if they`d only had a Zero Tolerance approach to minor matters of civil law and arrested them to check them out more thoroughly as a consequence of mere traffic stops, they might have prevented an atrocity.

    The whole interview was like a window into Minority Report –style nightmare society reminiscent of old East Germany. It seemed to have escaped their attention that many "ordinary" Americans get stopped for minor traffic offences too, and if you hauled all of them off in handcuffs for a session with the local Gestapo, that wouldn`t make for a very nice place to live. I said thanks but no, as there are some types of megalomaniacal techno-babble that I wont lend my technical expertise to.

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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:40 am
    @Gerry1of1

    Comparing the situation to communist Russia fails for the same reasons as comparing it to Nazi Germany. The problem is they are such overused references that they run the risk of hyperbole. In this case he is actually making a valid comparison but the effect is lost on how trivial it has become to compare something to communist Russia or Nazi Germany. His point could be better articulated, but it also seems to have worked as I don`t suspect the troopers had the mental facilities to be so discerning. Comparing them to Nazis seems to have effectively communicated what heaping pieces of trash they are.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:41 am
    It`s easy to see what is going on here. The state is conditioning people to submit to authority and putting the guards through training. Trying to ease the population into a worse fascism.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:41 am

    This is not as bad as he`s making it out to be. If you travel Interstate Highways 8 or 10, they paralell the border so you have 3 or 4 checkpoints acrossed the whole state. If he`d headed north he wouldn`t have had so many. But along the border there is, obviously, much more trafficking in illegal aliens.

    How many of you thought the border had no checkpoints? Would you want your borders to have no checkpoints?

    Again, before you slam me, I`m not saying it`s right or wrong. Just putting these checkpoints into context and asking questions.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:49 am
    @Gerry1of1

    Border checkpoints are one thing. Setting up random checkpoints are another. But where and how checkpoints are conducted isn`t really the point. This completely disregards the notion that you are free as an American citizen if you have to prove at any given point that you are an American citizen.
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    pumba62 Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:49 am
    Antagonizer......nobody votes for this crap!
    This is something that is done once a government gains a majority rule and can pass any bill or law they wish.
    It is happening right here in Canada with " Harpers Government" ...I don`t know if you have noticed press releases from the Canadian Government but that is the way they have been title them lately in press releases ... The Harper Government did this .... The Harper Government did that ....how about the Canadian Government did this.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:51 am
    @Gerry1of1

    Also I should say that I usually agree with most your comments and you also seem to be playing a bit of devil`s advocate here, but your talking points have caught my attention.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:56 am
    @pumba62: It`s just leftist rhetoric. It`s like the repubs down south saying "The Obama Whitehouse" or "The Obama Administration." Just language used to frame an issue, in order to propagandize the weak-minded.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 7:58 am
    This is not as bad as he`s making it out to be. If you travel Interstate Highways 8 or 10, they paralell the border so you have 3 or 4 checkpoints acrossed the whole state. If he`d headed north he wouldn`t have had so many.

    ...

    How many of you thought the border had no checkpoints? Would you want your borders to have no checkpoints?

    The thing is, you`ve based your comments on what you think he *might* have been doing (travelling close to the border), and not on anything you definitely know he *was* doing?

    And in answer to your question "Would you want your borders to have no checkpoints?", that`s a clear Straw Man argument if ever I saw one. No-one crossed any borders here, so it`s not "border check points" that are being questioned here but the quite separate concept of citizens being stopped going about their lawful business within their own borders.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:03 am
    These aren`t the droids you`re looking for
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:04 am
    Agreeably f*cking stupid, but not quite a police state. I would say in a true police state he would have been placed under arrest for his first insubordination.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:10 am

    @ MacGuffin - actually, I do know. I was in Arizona just last month, Green Valley area. To get there from SoCal you have to take the 8 & 10. Once off those highways there were no checkpoints of any kind. But a highway that paralells the border just a few miles from the border is going to be watched closely.

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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:13 am
    It seems like he`s just trying to push them but I agree with him. Unless he has done something or they have been given some external reason (a call from a citizen for example) to suspect that he (or anyone they wish to stop) is breaking a law they are not supposed to mess with you. Crossing the border I will concede is reasonable to suspect each crosser enough for a quick check but on other roads? I get what you mean Gerry and while it seems like that might be reasonable what if this guy leves near the border to the west and works 45 minutes to the east somewhat near the border? His travel time increased by 20 minutes per checkpoint to an hour and 45 just so he can go to work each day. That`s not right. If illegals are still getting in than the authorities need to find other ways to do their job, not expect citizens to fork over rights to make it easier for them. Just my 2c.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Agreeably f*cking stupid, but not quite a police state. I would say in a true police state he would have been placed under arrest for his first insubordination.

    There`s plenty of examples of that happening in other cases of minor non-cooperation with the police. Give it time, and there`ll be a case of it happening in this scenario too.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:21 am
    @ MacGuffin - actually, I do know. I was in Arizona just last month, Green Valley area. To get there from SoCal you have to take the 8 & 10. Once off those highways there were no checkpoints of any kind. But a highway that paralells the border just a few miles from the border is going to be watched closely.

    So, all you really know is where some checkpoints that you encountered were last month. Not where these checkpoints in this video were. And my comments about your equivocation of this situation to border check points stands: these were not border checkpoints.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:31 am

    MacGuffin - how do you know the checkpoints are not where I say thay are?

    The Border Patrol checkpoints are permanent facilities. Highways widened to accomodate the line-up of cars, permanent buildings and Troll Booths. It`s not like they`re hidden. The guy knew where they were and headed for them. That`s why he set up the camera.

    I see the point he`s trying to make, but it`s not as if every road in Arizona is like this...he must have specifically headed toward known Checkpoints to hit that many in one day. Which explains why the camera was running.

    Now, MacGuffin, in your infinite wisdom, having never been there, how do you know anything I`ve said is inaccurate? Or do you just argue with me to get my attention because of your unrequited attraction to me?
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:43 am
    Wow... ballsy. You know they put notes in their system attached to his plates. Better hope he never breaks any law whatsoever, or he`s FUBAR`d.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 8:46 am
    What a disagreeable f-tard (the guy in the car)!
    Perhaps if Obama actually SECURED THE BORDER and ENFORCED US LAWS these checkpoints wouldn`t be neccessary...

    But it`s good that he`s FREE to excercise his rights!

    Now try blowing through a Mexican Security Checkpoint...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:41 am
    OH NOZE!!! Yes we should just allow all Mexicans accross the border to work here undocumented it`s not like there`s a severe organized crime probmlem happening there right now!!! Oh wait.....
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:41 am
    @5Cats

    Everyone gets it, you don`t like Obama, or democrats. It eases everyone`s concerns though, that you might actually have real criticism when you blame things like border security on Obama... as if it just popped up as an issue in 2008. Way to make your criticisms seem valid!
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    FartCommandr Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:44 am
    another liberal jerk off that thinks he knows every law and wants to act like an non-nice individual. GO MOVE TO MEXICO IF YOU DON`T LIKE IT THERE YOU PIECE OF poo
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    sparki1980 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:45 am
    I counted 2.. 2 checkpoints.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:46 am
    When you throw "nazi" around lightly you sound like a moron. It invalidates your point. I`m not saying he`s right or wrong, but he invalidates his point being overly dramatic. Something like "Is this communist Russia" would be better. They required travel papers.

    I really hope you`re being ironic there, Gerry. FWIW, Americans never sound more dumb to the rest of the world as when they`re comparing everything from alternative systems of healthcare, to differing social welfare systems, to the effects of global recession on small economies to "Soviet/Communist Russia". Godwin`s Law needs to have an amendment especially for you guys.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:46 am
    Yes we should just allow all Mexicans accross the border to work here undocumented it`s not like there`s a severe organized crime probmlem happening there right now!!!

    Straw Man much?
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:51 am

    MacGuffin - how do you know the checkpoints are not where I say thay are?

    Not sure if really stupid, or merely unable to appreciate the important distinction between "you don`t know these are the same checkpoints you drove through" and "the checkpoints you drove through aren`t where you said they are".

    Now stop flirting - I`m neither the right sex, age or weight for you.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 9:53 am
    How dare this liberal jerk off stand up for his constitutional rights that the conservatives in AZ try so hard to trample. I bet he would even have a problem if police went door to door demanding to enter to search for evidence of citizenship.
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    Mad_Gremlyn Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:00 am
    He was finally waved through because the law is anti-American.

    @5Braincells, Comparing ourselves to another country and saying we are slightly better is not good enough. Why do you care, Canadian? Why don`t you go pay your taxes and go get a check up that might result in early detection, saving your life?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:00 am

    MacGuffin - stop flirting with me. You`re always posting inuendo but let me speak clearly it is NEVER gonna happen.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:05 am
    Gerry you tease, you.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:17 am

    MacGuffin - stop flirting with me. You`re always posting inuendo but let me speak clearly it is NEVER gonna happen.

    Somebody ought to tell you that if you need to repeat a joke, chances are it wasn`t funny the first time.
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    furrything Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:26 am
    Check out `Checkpoint USA` This has been going on for years. Ballsy lad....see what happens when you know your rights?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Okay Mac, back to the topic... As always you stir the pot by picking on minor details and ignoring the big picture. The video implied that 3 checkpoints was common on the roads of Arizona. I`ve been there and can say that is not the case. Yes major highways have checkpoints, it is not the wide-abuse implied by the video. If you cross the entire state you`ll see 4. Hardly a daily occurance unless you are a truck driver.

    You`ve challenged my viewpoint and statements. Please prove them wrong with facts, not opinions.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:30 am

    @ patchgrabber, you saw it. She`s totally flirting with me, right?
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    Palfas Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:33 am
    Wow, you right wingers are coming up with some clever ways of defending this obvious trampling of our rights and freedoms which you claim to value to highly.

    So because you`d be shot in Mexico, this is okay? Because he`s obviously seeking out these temporary check points, it`s his fault? Because he`s liberal (not proven), it`s okay?

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 10:44 am
    @FartCommandr

    "GO MOVE TO MEXICO IF YOU DON`T LIKE IT THERE YOU PIECE OF poo"

    Democracy: a system of government where you can change the way things are run if you don`t like it.

    You don`t like democracy? Why do you hate America?
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:13 am
    >>>Okay Mac, back to the topic... As always you stir the pot by picking on minor details and ignoring the big picture. The video implied that 3 checkpoints was common on the roads of Arizona. I`ve been there and can say that is not the case. Yes major highways have checkpoints, it is not the wide-abuse implied by the video. If you cross the entire state you`ll see 4. Hardly a daily occurance unless you are a truck driver.

    You`ve challenged my viewpoint and statements. Please prove them wrong with facts, not opinions.<<<

    OK, now that you`ve belatedly stopped playing silly buggers and actually addressed the topic at hand, here is a list of Police checkpoints in Arizona that citizens have reported being stopped at.

    ...
  50. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:13 am

    You may notice there`s a couple more than the 4 you claim you`ll hit "if you cross the entire state". Are all of those Arizona residents mistaken merely because you drove through Arizona last month and only know about a limited number of such checkpoints yourself?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:15 am
    Straw Man much?

    Ironic much?
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:22 am
    Ironic much?

    The only thing ironic about your post, is that you`re talking about irony yet you clearly have no idea what irony is. Now run along, if you manage to find an actual grown-up argument at any point worth responding to, I`ll be sure to let you know.
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:26 am
    I drove through Arizona recently on I-10. Hit one checkpoint each way.

    I also had to go through checkpoints in California. Again, once when entering and once when leaving. They wanted to know if I had any fruit. American fruit think they live in a free country, but they really don`t.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:28 am
    @MacGuffin

    You never even said how it was straw man. I suppose in the queens land of the UK you let all immigrants in and that would have no negative impact whatsoever. Do you have any concept of how many people are klilled each year by the Mexican mafia?
  55. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:36 am
    ...as if it just popped up as an issue in 2008.
    @unmercyfuldu: I hollered at Bush too, even MORE than I do at Obama, on this issue! His record on border security was somewhere between "poor and crapola".
    It doesn`t excuse Obmama`s performance by chanting "Bush did it too" now does it? Nope.
    Bush is not running for re-election either...

    blame things like border security on Obama...
    Oh, IC: the PotUS is NOT required to uphold the Laws or Constitution of the USA! Silly Canadian me thinking that!
    Oh wait, YOU blamed Bush for it, then blamed ME for blaming Obama? Hummmm...


    @Mad_Gremlyn: Whose sockpuppet are you? Confess!
  56. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:39 am

    @MacGuffin

    You never even said how it was straw man.

    It`s a Straw Man because the position you criticised isn`t a position being taken by anyone. You sarcastically derided the idea that "we should just allow all Mexicans accross the border", when in reality no-one had in fact suggested doing such a thing. Once again, these checkpoints are *WITHIN THE UNITED STATES*. They are not between the United States and Mexico, which they would have needed to be for your criticism to have been valid.
  57. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 11:42 am
    Seems like a lot of people are confusing the police checks here with border crossings. State border crossings are well established and don`t ask you about citizenship. US borders are another well established checkpoint. The check points in the video are akin to DUI checkpoints (which even those fall in a legal grey area). They are randomly set up to ask everyone traveling on the road if they are a US citizen. This is not border control, this is training people to think passively about the implication of a police state.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    MacGuffin, "OK, now that you`ve belatedly stopped playing silly buggers and actually addressed the topic at hand, here is a list of Police checkpoints in Arizona that citizens have reported being stopped at. "
    So much fail in one little sentance.
    Those are DUI checkpoints by the local police. They`re random, mobile checks. I believe the UK also has them. This thread-video, and what I have been discussing, are Border Patrol checkpoints. HUGE differance.

    Game, Set, Match.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    @unmercyfuldu- I agree with your last post.
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    jonswan12 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    One checkpoint is one too many
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    July 11, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    TSA? f uck, haven`t you lot realised whats going on yet? this is not normal, and yoiu are living in a puesdo nazi america.
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    Gauddith Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    @Gerry1of1
    It doesn`t matter what kind of checkpoint they are. They still happen to be checkpoints, and they are still asking if you are a us citizen. That is enough to cause concern for me. We don`t get crazy poo like that up where I live but I don`t like the idea that Arizona could become a trend setter.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    Ohhhyah! Go on Amurikah! Keep screwing yourself, seem that lot of your citizens are ok with that. Any reference to some iabers is purely wanted.
    Next question will be "Who is arian"?
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    "Next question will be "Who is arian"?"

    And when people say no and ask to leave, the cops will let them, like in the video?

    "OMG it`s just like nazi germany!!!!!
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    This worked because he was white. It would have gone down differently if he was darker skinned.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    Brometheus danagamer answer for me.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    "How Many Arizona Checkpoints in One Morning?"

    In the Socialist Republic of California, I suspect none.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    So much fail in one little sentance.



    "sentence". If you`re going to accuse someone of fail, at least make sure yoo spel it rite.

    Those are DUI checkpoints by the local police. They`re random, mobile checks.
    So? What`s you`re point, caller? How do you know this wasn`t one of those other types of checkpoint, and that they didn`t just start off with their new directive of confirming citizenship before coming to the belated conclusion that this was a citizen who knew their rights that they`d better not mess with?

    I believe the UK also has them.
    Then you believe wrongly. In the UK people are only stopped where there`s an actual suspicion of DUI, based on erratic driving or other direct indicators such as dilated pupils in the driver of a stopped vehicle.

    ...
  69. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    This thread-video, and what I have been discussing, are Border Patrol checkpoints. HUGE differance.
    You haven`t established this *is* a border patrol checkpoint. Don`t you have to cross an actual *border* for it to be a *border control* checkpoint? These checkpoints could be any sort of mobile or fixed police roadstop.

    Game, Set, Match.
    Oh, grow up. Seriously.
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    GasMaskKid Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    he`s being a drating bitch. of course, i don`t support the law, or any other laws/bills of the same thinking, but he`s being a little bitch.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    MacGuffin, " How do you know this wasn`t one of those other types of checkpoint, "
    Because they`re wearing Border Patrol uniforms. BP does not do DUI checkpoints.
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    Brometheus Male 30-39
    376 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    "This worked because he was white."

    It worked because he didn`t have a foreign accent. If he had said "ya, ick bin american," things would have gone down differently.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    Because they`re wearing Border Patrol uniforms. BP does not do DUI checkpoints.

    I`m sorry, Gerry: you`re right. Those are border patrol uniforms*. I thought they were Arizona police of some description.

    I still think it`s wrong for people to be stopped going about their lawful business in their own country. But you are right that these are US Border Patrol officers. And you are probably therefore also right about the number of checkpoints they operate.






    * PS: whilst I was checking what you said, I came across the interesting snippet that those uniforms are made by the lowest bidder.....which happens to be located in Mexico.
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    maddux32 Male 30-39
    926 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 4:01 pm
    he`s being a drating bitch. of course, i don`t support the law, or any other laws/bills of the same thinking, but he`s being a little bitch.

    He didn`t do anything wrong, and frankly, I applaud him. The police have the right to set up these checkpoints so long as they are arbitrary, and they have the right to question citizens freely without cause, and in return citizens have the right to refuse. At any point, either of those officers could have detained him on reasonable suspicion that he was not a US citizen based on his evasiveness, and they did not do so. I applaud them as well.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    At any point, either of those officers could have detained him on reasonable suspicion that he was not a US citizen based on his evasiveness

    It`s worrying to hear an actual lawyer describe someone merely knowing and stating their rights as "evasiveness" and grounds for reasonable suspicion that they may have committed an offence. What`s next? - "May we search your car?", "No", "You`re being evasive! - I`m afraid I`m going to have to detain you". These officers weren`t being reasonable, they were backing down because they knew they didn`t have a leg to stand on.
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    maddux32 Male 30-39
    926 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    It`s worrying to hear an actual lawyer describe someone merely knowing and stating their rights as "evasiveness" and grounds for reasonable suspicion that they may have committed an offence. What`s next? - "May we search your car?", "No", "You`re being evasive! - I`m afraid I`m going to have to detain you". These officers weren`t being reasonable, they were backing down because they knew they didn`t have a leg to stand on.

    I`m not saying it would hold up in court. There would surely be a motion to suppress which would likely be granted. Personally, I wouldn`t prosecute a case like that. However, if the motion were argued, and it were argued in front of the right judge, I can see a motion to suppress being denied. I`m not saying it`s right, but it happens. Like many have said, if the guy had darker skin and spoke with an accent, it would be a different story. Reasonable suspicion is a formulation of all the circumstances, a
  77. Profile photo of maddux32
    maddux32 Male 30-39
    926 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    In response to an individual refuses to allow the police to search someone`s vehicle; the way it usually works is if a background check comes back clean, there would be no problem. However, if something came up, for example, the individual was arrested a few weeks prior for possession, or transport of illegal narcotics, they could detain the individual until a warrant was obtained which could be done within 15-20 minutes, and search that way. Or I`ve read cases where the cops have used dog sniff units to approach the car. When the dog alerted, there is your probable cause to search needed to search without a warrant, and it will be searched anyway.

    However, working directly with the police, I have yet to see (where I work anyway), an egregious case where the cop acted without reason.

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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
    1243 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 4:32 pm
    strangely, the most interesting thing about his video that i couldn`t stop noticing was that it looks like his drivers side visor was removed.
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    miasmaat Female 18-29
    298 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    is this normal in Arizona? Is there some kind of manhunt on for someone or something? This is unheard of! We`re doing random checks - do you have your papers. It`s really a lot like some police state.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36852 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    @ miasmaat - this is normal anywhere near Mexico. I`m in San Diego and theres one of these checkpoints between here and Los Angeles, another west of San Diego on the I-8

    @ MacGuffin - I don`t necessarily think these checks are good either. But we do have to find the illegals, and the highways are fenced off, once on them they can`t run. I have mixed feelings on this. But it`s NOT as if all roads are as represented in the video.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 5:42 pm
    I live in Arizona. I have never seen a checkpoint. Where is this exactly?
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    fancythat Male 30-39
    1950 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 5:49 pm
    Haben zie paaaapiers?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36852 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    HolyGod - my guess would be on the 8 outside Yuma,
    on the 10 near Tucson and the 19 outside
    Nogales. But I`m guessing. I know I pass through
    two of these when I drive to Green Valley. Usually
    one is closed so only 1 slow-up.
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    ExtraCredit Male 50-59
    451 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    I get and agree with his point, but he`s kind of being a douche.
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    WeePee Male 18-29
    612 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 10:12 pm
    he obviously sought out checkpoints just to try to bait the officers into doing something and catching them on camera. what a pathetic piece of shi t
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    PoopNoodle Male 40-49
    400 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm
    It`s sad how people are ripping on this guy for standing up for his rights. Many men fought and died for these rights a mere 236 years ago.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33127 posts
    July 11, 2012 at 10:42 pm
    One of the reasons he was sent on his way was: the cops "ran his plate" and apparently it was clean.
    The cops did nothing wrong in this video, in fact they were SUPER nice to him! If someone suggested in any way that I was acting like a Nazi there would be... trouble.

    If the Laws being enforced are wrong, it`s really not the cops` fault.

    And again: If Obama did his job, or told Holder to do HIS job, then the State of Arizona wouldn`t HAVE TO do things like this!
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 1:19 am
    @5Cats

    "The cops did nothing wrong in this video, in fact they were SUPER nice to him!"

    Agreed. The police were polite and professional.

    The problem I have is with whoever instructed them to do that job in the first place.

    You shouldn`t expect to be stopped and made to account for yourself when just walking down the street or driving down the road. Not when you`ve not given the police any cause to suspect you`ve done something wrong. Not when you live in a free country.

    Merely existing should not be cause for the police to check you for wrongdoing.

    It appears the only justification for their suspicion that the occupants of these cars may be illegal aliens is that the cars are driving on roads near the border.

    That`s a little weak.
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    Cartunze Male 60-69
    841 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 3:45 am
    We get these stops in Washington state too. Unfortunately I look like a Canadian so I get singled out and interrogated quite often. This guy is my new hero. From now on, I won`t tell them if I am Canadian or from USA. Oh wait . . . I have Washington state plates on my car, eh.

    Just kidding. We don`t do that sh*t up here. Washington is a blue state and not part of the new Confederate States of America. These cops might be US Border patrol but they live and breath Arizona.
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    toblessed Female 30-39
    30 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 5:51 am
    Why do people assume that just because this is America land of the free gives all men the right to live here we cannot house everyone in the world. Fact is we can`t go to other countries and have the same rights as we do here. Funny thing is some people come to the US and live the laws of their country here.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 7:02 am
    Unfortunately I look like a Canadian so I get singled out and interrogated quite often.
    Wait, so you look like this?

    And it`s not unfortunate, you should be proud, eh?

    America land of the free
    Two hundred seven sovereign states in the world, like 180 of them have freedom.
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    carsoncasey Male 30-39
    8 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 7:10 am
    That took balls, but the bottom line is this: He thinks he knows the whole, but he doesn`t know the half. Those cops were way too cool with this guy and he`s luck he`s not in jail. Bearded young punks will never be in charge of anything but are led to believe that they are. He`s obviously another white non-nice individual, thats why they let him go. Those police are doing their jobs and if he thinks they`re nazis, nazis would have just shot him, end of story.
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    kasuko Male 30-39
    9 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 7:57 am
    That took some balls, however, it is all fine and dandy till a Mexican, Asian or someone with a foreign accent tries this stunt. The LAW stated clearly that they could not stop ANYONE specifically to ask about immigration status or documentation. They were allowed to do so during the process of ANY other infraction though. the ABUSE has already started, it ONLY goes downhill from here. As for those of you who complain about illegal immigrants, ALL of you ARE illegal immigrants or children of. The land belongs to the Native population, and look what has become of them!!! What happens when they declare all of us non-natives illegal on THEIR soil, which IS their right. As for stating that Nazi`s would have killed him instead of letting him go, it started with Jews ONLY being made to identify themselves. Then the killing began!! It is only a matter of time on this slippery slope.
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    chickiesue86 Male 70 & Over
    273 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    you can tell these cops were only following orders. they were not upset with this man questioning orders they got from someone else. now if this would have been rogue he would have gotten his ass handed to him and the book thrown at him.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 1:04 pm
    They`re just doing what their boss told them to do...they weren`t aggressive with him, and he was polite to them when he was saying `no thanks`.

    I still have scars from politely telling a couple of police officers `no i don`t want to get in your van thanks` when i was 20.

    erm.... come to think of it i think i may have used the phrase `drat off` instead.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    so, why don`t they have a single police officer, ask him for his license, and be done with it.

    a police officer is allowed to verify your right to drive a car on a public roadway, as he is simply looking out for the safety of others on the roadway. american valid driver`s license = no hassle

    plus, if this guy REALLY didn`t want to be held up, he would`ve shown proof of his citizenship, he WANTED to be hassled in an attempt at a viral video and 15 seconds of fame.
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    handimanner Male 60-69
    2095 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    Driving from Bisbee north there was one of these set up in the middle of nowhere (north of Tombstone), we had just burnt a doobie but we are white in a new Mustang so they waved us through after only a brief once-over. I was burglarized twice in Tucson and some mariachi band in Sonoma has pretty good musical gear accordingly. Anyone who has lived in AZ understands the crazies coming north from Mexico, crime it up and zoom back south. Not to put a big racist thing on it but Mexico really needs to fix their frikkin` country so the need to come north and pillage may be slowed.
    Gawd, I hated that state. And this bozo is really dangling his butt, but he`s white so he gets away with it. The real racism is that if this dude were hispanic he would have been arrested and beaten to a bloody pulp, not necessarily in that order.
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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
    582 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 10:18 pm
    @5Cats

    You know that Obama`s administration so far deported more illegals than Bush`s right?

    Of course not, because that would require looking at facts that DON`T support your ignorant worldview.

    As for this guy, yeah he`s being a douche to the cops, but he`s protesting the law. Kudos to them for taking it in stride. PROPER authority respects people`s right to protest and solves the problem amicably. And if all it took was to run the plates, why do they even bother asking for ID? The cops are setting up checkpoints because a law says they can but (1) they target everyone to avoid the liability of racial profiling and (2) a large number of illegals are NOT Latino.
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    Xprez Male 30-39
    676 posts
    July 12, 2012 at 11:15 pm
    @obhwfgirl, I live in AZ near Phoenix. You have no idea what you`re talking about. John Morton has refused to take a lot illegal immigrants under Obama`s orders. 99% of illegals here are latino. It is a problem here that the feds are not giving a rat`s ass about. If you`re far removed from the problem, maybe you shouldn`t speak on it. Plenty of people killed here every year that would be alive if someone was not in this country illegally. It`s not too funny or cute if that someone is a member of your family. And most of these people are not productive members of society. They try to tell you they are, but they are not. If you wanna be sympathetic to people that have no intention of doing things the legal way, why don`t you take them under your roof?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33127 posts
    July 13, 2012 at 8:41 am
    @5Cats : You know that Obama`s administration so far deported more illegals than Bush`s right?

    @obhwfgirl: LOLZ! Amazing! You libtards always make me lol! So bloody stupid...
    #1 When Bush "deported illegals" it was BAD, RACIST! remember? Obama does exact same thing = Sainthood!
    #2: Mexicans are leaving on their own because the economy (Obama`s fault) is terrible!
    #3 King Obama decreed an amnesty to add 800K workers... to a massivley UNemployed America! Not only "illegal" but also "immoral" of BHO to screw the America`s (Legal) Citizens YET AGAIN, eh?

    (2) a large number of illegals are NOT Latino.
    That`s an outright lie. Proof or stfu.

    @Xprez: Well said! Well done!
  102. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33127 posts
    July 13, 2012 at 8:43 am
    vv I mean in Arizona, not all across the USA, eh? As @Xprez mentioned.
    But even all across? Having a "large number" not being Latino points to the truth: there`s a BIG problem with Mexican illegals inside America. Y`all just admitted it yourself.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    July 13, 2012 at 10:25 pm
    I see the problem here. Loved the little umbrella.

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