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Date: 07/17/12 12:51 PM

74 Responses to Florida Cops Taser A Guy For Not Showing ID

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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    Link: Florida Cops Taser A Guy For Not Showing ID - Chief of Police sees nothing wrong with this.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    pure racism. nothing more. crossing the street????

    please.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    I see nothing wrong with this.
    They clearly don`t understand what "resisting" means.

    It`s like watching children throw a tantrum "do not assault me. do not assault me. do not assault me." sounds like "You can`t make you can`t make me you can`t make me".

    But if you repeat yelling at the cops enough they`ll eventually do what you command? "Get your supervisor. Get your supervisor. Get your supervisor. Get your supervisor."
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:06 pm
    I think she wanted them to get their supervisor.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    Clear case of resisting arrest. this jerk could`ve saved himself jail time if only he had complied and shown his ID. But no, this guy wanted to be taken down the hard way.

    He deserved every taxer jolt he got.
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    earplay Male 60-69
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    Nope, they tased him because he refused to follow a lawful order. The situation was escalating. They had to take control. He had already resisted arrest. They showed great patience.
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    Danceyn Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    I do not understand why Americans always have to be so uncooperative, all he had to do was show some i.d , was it really worth getting tazered for and a night in a cell? NO. Grow up!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:12 pm
    Meanwhile in a Jacksonville Walmart
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    Rumbrave Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    Good lord, did I count three shots it took to take him down?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    There are legal ways to refuse to show ID.
    That`s not one of them.
    And having a sassy black woman yelling at them doesn`t help you any.


    @ McGovern-that Walmart video should be it`s own thread.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    The cops should have to explain what infraction he violated to show his ID. If there was an infraction, like jaywalking, then yeah, he has to show his ID. Knowing what crime you`re being detained/identified for helps you to not incriminate yourself.
    I hope the rules change on this, I think this guy was in the right, a crime has to have been committed to be forced to ID yourself.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    DingDingDong:

    Didn`t the cop say that at the start? Then the guy said something about it being a "victimless crime".

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:36 pm
    @Gerry1of1

    Submitted.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    Resisting arrest = tased. Get over it.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    @Reganom, yup you`re right, thanks, I missed the first couple seconds of the video. He clearly explains the violation. So this guy`s just an idiot and doesn`t know how the law works.
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    thatjimguy Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    Notice how the situation got much calmer after they got him down? I would have tased him way earlier.

    That lady was not helping. The police do not take orders from the public when in action.
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    maddux32 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    If you don`t show ID to a police officer who asks for it, you can be arrested.
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    nijd Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    They were dealing with a wild animal and he needed to be taken down before someone got hurt. The execution was the only problem here, they let him get away.. The cops failed, but the situation was caused by the wild man and his pet boar squealing in the background.
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    earplay Male 60-69
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    July 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    @DingDingDong The infraction being explained is meaningless. He refused lawful orders to be taken into custody and resisted arrest. The officer need not cite an infraction to take someone into custody.
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    uatme Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:13 pm
    @maddux32 then why don`t they make a `statute` to avoid this kind of thing..
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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    If you don`t show ID to a police officer who asks for it, you can be arrested. --------
    You`re wrong. You are free to walk around America without papers. If you don`t know your constitutional rights why are you here?
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    uatme Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    I have the legal right to ask you what your name is. True but do I have the legal right to not answer set question?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:18 pm
    I dearly hope they also arrested the mouthy twat behind the camera: yeesh!
    This dim-wit`s been watching too much YouTube! If you do something even REMOTELY illegal? The cops have every right to demand ID and such.

    What a pair of idiots: A disgrace to their race (the Human Race that is!).
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:24 pm
    i`d like to see what he did to cause them to ask for his ID. and the bitch in the vid needs to shut the hell up
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    What I saw was an assault and kidnapping committed by the police against a citizen. They grabbed him asn restrained him without stating that he was under arrest.
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    SethDog Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    I don`t see what race has to do with this? Plenty of officers act like pricks and bully white people and other races too. Police can be power hungry pricks sometimes who abuse their power, I know bullies from school who turned out to be policemen.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    AMUUUURICA!
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:30 pm
    Good lord, did I count three shots it took to take him down?

    =========

    I know a guy who lived near me a few years ago. It took 6 tazer shots to take him down and he was a HUGE guy. The police were crapping themselves.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    What I saw was an assault and kidnapping committed by the police against a citizen. They grabbed him asn restrained him without stating that he was under arrest.

    ===========

    Sounds like you need to brush up on your law. The police do not need to arrest you to restrain you.
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    hiddenid958 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    The main thing that we can get from all of this is that once the cop`s grab their cuffs, you are going to go to jail (or at least detained).
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    con_uk Male 30-39
    92 posts
    July 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    this has been staged by aliens
    to showcase the idiocy of human policing in the 21st century.
    They are having a right laugh as we speak.
    Zzzrnx just agreed with me and sent a telepathic lol through my earmuff messenger.
    He also said
    "Homo cops will homo sex for as long as they are homo"
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    You don`t have to give the cops your ID if you are not suspected of committing a crime.
    And the law should be that a cop has to tell you why you`re being detained first.
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    aimsicle01 Female 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    Everyone is looking for a lawsuit. Anyone can be cuffed if under investigation only. Hasn`t everyone seen at least one episode of COPS? "you are not under arrest, I am cuffing you for mine an dmy officers safety" HELLLLOOOO
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    Police just can`t ask at random for an ID, there`s no sufficient context for me to say anything on the matter.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    isnt taser supposed to be a tool to protect themselves from violence etc... as opposed to make someone comply?
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    maddux32 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    You`re wrong. You are free to walk around America without papers. If you don`t know your constitutional rights why are you here?

    If you are being asked for ID, there is a high probability that the officer has a fleeting suspicion that you might have committed a crime. Refusing to show ID heightens to those suspicions, and not having an ID gives the officer no recourse to refute his suspicions. This raises the officers level to probable cause which is the legal standard to arrest. I see these motions all the time, and every time the defense loses. Although it`s not a written law, in effect, you might as well just show him your freakin ID. Give him a false name and they can arrest you for giving them false information. There is no win in that for you. You don`t have to answer their questions, but there is nothing to be gained in not showing your ID. Even if you have warrants. They`re going to arrest you and find out eventually.
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    Bikubang Male 30-39
    45 posts
    July 17, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    It sounds like they were trying to his ID because he was Jaywalking, But it`s hard to tell because they conveniently cut it so that you don`t know what the cops are approaching them for.

    I`m against police bullying, but I don`t feel bad for this guy.
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    casaledana Male 60-69
    159 posts
    July 17, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    the police can not insist on a ID when he refused the cop should have switched and requested his name. you cant lie about that and you dont have to answer questions the cops were wrong and so was the suspect He did comit a crime he J walked
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    @maddux32, where to begin? Not having an ID is not probable cause. Smelling weed, seeing a shape of a gun in their pocket, APB out on someone that fits your description is probable-cause. Also, you cannot get arrested for not having an ID. There has to be a crime. Probable-cause for what?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    @DingDingDong: The cop DID offer an explaination for why: it`s right at the very start of the video. Something about impeding traffic? idk, but it was enough to get the cops` attention. Therefor it`s enough to ask for ID.

    @aimsicle01: lolz, good point! Welcome to IAB!

    @McDuff73: Not really, it`s a "non-lethal" weapon used to control a suspect.
    If a suspect is resisting it`s better to taze him than smack him with a baton, eh?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    insane_ai-"What I saw was an assault and kidnapping committed by the police against a citizen."

    Then your observations, and your logic, have no basis in reality.

    Cajun247-"Police just can`t ask at random for an ID."

    It wasn`t random, as he was observed breaking a law.

    Florida law states: "a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct." -Statute Title XLVI, Chapter 856.021
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    som-tam Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    `get your supervisor!` haha this isn`t wallmart lady, also saying that you are not resisting does not magically alter the fact that you are resisting.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    I`m not sure but doesn`t riding a bike require you to comply to traffic laws and present ID if asked?
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    July 17, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    Fancy:
    spend a little less time looking at basketball team names, and find out a bit more about this sort of stuff
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    HI-haole Male 18-29
    606 posts
    July 17, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    "I`m not sure but doesn`t riding a bike require you to comply to traffic laws and present ID if asked?
    "

    Nope... Since when do you need an ID to ride a bike?... Elementary school kids ride bikes maaaan...
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    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    "I fought the law and the"
    "LAW won"
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2012 at 4:03 pm
    He wasn`t tazed for not providing his ID. His ID was requested due to an infraction that happened before filming started. He was arrested for failure to provide the ID. He was tazed for resisting arrest.
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    GolfPunk69 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    I would have tazed the stupid cow holding the camera. Life was a lot simpler when people had some form of respect for the police.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 4:09 pm
    It wasn`t random, as he was observed breaking a law.

    Fair enough, but I didn`t see the act on video, which they probably didn`t bother recording.
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    jclv Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2012 at 4:16 pm
    HI-haole: Maybe you should comprehend what you read before posting a reply. paperduck said "riding a bike require you to comply to traffic laws" (and he`s right) and when caught comitting a crime you are required to provide I.D.
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    AltairWolfe Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    I hate when people think EVERYTHING is in the Constitution. This is a state issue and YES 24 states currently have "stop and identify" statutes. Guess what... Florida is one of them. Lesson is this. If you`re going to be an ass, and there is a time to be an ass when you really ARE having your civil liberties challenged, but if you suspect you`re going to do it then know the laws of your state. Otherwise, expect to get arrested and charged.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    drat the police, just drat this police state
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    Mike1973 Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    It`s one thing when you stand up to cops and get a cop to go on a power trip and use unlawful force. But in the video, the cop does state the man did cross the street not at a crosswalk, while not really enforced 99% of the time, is still a violation of traffic laws, so the cop was justified in asking for his ID in this situation. I dislike cops just as much as anyone but if you break the law, you must accept the consequences, even if the crime is a misdemeanor.
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    whtevr Female 40-49
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    July 17, 2012 at 4:49 pm
    They don`t pay cops enough to deal with this bull crap.
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    Ignorant ass cops. drat all cops. The only good cop is an ex-cop.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 7:13 pm
    Most cops are egomaniacs, and way too fast to tase. Tasers are considered "less lethal" NOT "non lethal". The cop may have had the right to ID this guy, but it is pretty obvious that there was no good reason to. Regardless...this guy earned a tase by resisting a simple request.
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    ruiner2000 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    apparently i can`t post links. this happened in orlando. google can bring up the pages. welcome to florida. how is it legal for me to shoot a man in the face for speaking to me in a manner i deem threatening, (anywhere) and get away with it, while someone charged with "jaywalking" deserves to be assaulted repeatedly because of an overzealous cop? despite what a lot of people say, it is NOT legal for any law enforcement officer to ask you for your identification arbitrarily. they MAY ask you for your name but you are not obligated to give your full name. when an officer is on location where "something might be happening" they are on as high alert as military personnel in a war zone. if you find yourself in this situation, just give your first name, not your last. that gives the officers a means to address you and complies with the request. be as compliant as possible, but plead the 5th to anything other than your first name. if they ARE charging you, GIVE THEM YOUR I
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    ruiner2000 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    GIVE THEM YOUR ID. it is easier to press charges for false imprisonment if you comply implicitly. this is what the cops are betting on. most people just do whatever they are asked, and anyone who deviates from that behavior "must be hiding something". i live in the state of pill mills and meth labs. the cops are a little bit on edge. i can`t blame them. no, i am not a police officer, nor even an employee of the state government. just a lowly contractor who overhears a lot. tampa, not orlando. in florida, i can kill someone for making a vague threat, but the police can arrest you for crossing a crosswalk at anything other than a 90 degree angle. meaning no cutting corners. once that actual crime has been committed in front of a police officer, he can in fact demand your identification. as that they two in question were cashing checks, they had photo id`s, it was the ignorance of the police officer as to the statute.

    statute in next post. (sorry it`s old, i`m drunk.)
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    ruiner2000 Male 30-39
    20 posts
    July 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm
    ped = pedestrian. had to save characters.

    316.130 A ped shall obey the instructions of any traffic control device applicable to the pedestrian unless otherwise directed by a police officer.ped shall be subject to traffic control signals at intersections as provided in s. 316.075, but at all other places peds shall be accorded the privileges and be subject to the restrictions in this chapter.Where sidewalks are provided, no ped shall walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.Between adjacent intersections at which traffic control signals are in operation, peds shall not cross at any place except in a marked crosswalk.No ped shall, except in a marked crosswalk, cross at any other place than by a route at right angles to the curb or by the shortest route to the opposite curb.Peds shall move upon the right half of crosswalks.No ped shall cross a roadway intersection diagonally unless authorized by official traffic control devices
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    ruiner2000 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    final note, yes, the person who got zapped should have just shown his id, but I doubt the police were involved unless there was potential check fraud being reported by the amscot. no, the person involved didn`t have to show id unless the cop could tell him what he was being charged with. (if there was fraud reported by amscot, the cop would have been much more assertive.) the zapped has a fantastic case against the police department, but as that he rode up on a huffy, i doubt he can afford legal retention. i understand the gun carry situation on his behalf, but why didn`t the wife/gf leave her`s at home? i`ve watched this video way too many times and i can`t tell if it a case of cop baiting or a failed attempt to screw amscot in some way.

    clarification on on the compliance thing.. the police expect you to just give in to whatever they say, so if anyone refuses, that is immediate "potential criminal" behavior. gotta love that catch 22.
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    humaneclipse Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 10:06 pm
    I dont know about the laws in florida but in california the cops were in the right. he committed an infraction which gives the officers the right to issue him a citation. the officers cannot issue a citation if he refuses to identify himself. he could tell them his name, but he could lie and give him a different name which given the situation an ID is what is sufficient to properly identify himself. he did not give them the id so he is delaying the officer in his lawful duties to issue the citation, which is now a misdemeanor. there is active resistance and passive resistance. Passive would be laying there and doing nothing. active would be clenching your body and pulling away. The law gives the officer the right to submit him to "Pain compliance" to submit to the arrest as he is actively resisting. the taser worked in that manner is classified as pain compliance. the officer could have deescalated the incident and he sucks with his words, but what he did was lawful in calif
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    APedersen Female 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 11:06 pm
    this just aggravated the hell out of me. and the fact that some people are still defending the man "not" resisting arrest. just drives me crazy. welcome to the decay of society people.
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    Agent0024blo Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2012 at 11:53 pm
    I do not like the actions in this video by the non police. But, the police state that we have became has led to videos that are smart like the ones earlier posted to IAB. Then, there are crap like this... Because people are trying so hard to sh*t on police. For due cause. "Protect and Serve" has been abandoned. I feel it`s a 50/50 ratio of good cop/bad cop... That`s 50% wrong.
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    indiechad Male 30-39
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    July 18, 2012 at 12:05 am
    I have no problem with any of the actions of the officers in this video.
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    maddux32 Male 30-39
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    July 18, 2012 at 12:08 am
    @maddux32, where to begin? Not having an ID is not probable cause. Smelling weed, seeing a shape of a gun in their pocket, APB out on someone that fits your description is probable-cause. Also, you cannot get arrested for not having an ID. There has to be a crime. Probable-cause for what?

    In a vacuum, no, you cannot get arrested for refusing to show your ID, or not having your ID. I`m not arguing this further. You all can do what you want. Just some advice from an actual practicing attorney.

    Show your ID. Trust me.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    July 18, 2012 at 2:14 am
    He`s resisting and they`re both antagonizing the cops.
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
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    July 18, 2012 at 2:46 am
    He took those tazers like a champ
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 18, 2012 at 5:48 am
    He was tazed for resisting arrest.
    100% Correct @Rick_S! Something that`s been overlooked by a lot of us (including me!) here.

    YES 24 states currently have "stop and identify" statutes. Guess what... Florida is one of them.
    @AltairWolfe: Welcome to IAB! I think this pretty much settles the issue, well for me it does!
    In THIS situation: cops = good
    Their patience with these two clowns was remarkable!
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    vigorous Male 30-39
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    July 18, 2012 at 6:45 am
    Why does the woman recording believe that screaming "get your supervisor" will compel the officers to stop what they`re doing and get a manager? This isn`t Starbucks.
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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
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    July 18, 2012 at 8:53 am
    Some one cal the Poli... oh... poo.
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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
    303 posts
    July 18, 2012 at 9:01 am
    Wow, America is a really, really drated up place.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 18, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    I know! The cops do something when you break the law. THE HORROR!
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    EricForman Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Even if the police were in the wrong (though I think not), The guy should have just shown his I.D. and things would have been a lot less complicated.The woman yelling "Get your managers" is just making the situation more stressful for nothing. Oh well, poo like that happens... Not here in Canada though. :)
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    WargMaster Male 30-39
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    July 23, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    The video recorder sounds like "Roberta" on "The Cleveland Show"

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