Why Is Health Care So Expensive? [Pic]

Submitted by: Gerry1of1 4 years ago

Ever wonder why one aspirin or a bandage costs upwards of $50 when you get it at the hospital?
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Male 2,850
@dang007

"Did you forget your VAT tax in that little calculation???"

I clearly stated that I was talking about income-based taxes. VAT is expenditure-based, and quite a bit harder to measure.

"And yes."

I`m not trying to pick a fight; I`m genuinely interested to see a comparison. How much do you pay in income-based taxes, and how much do you spend for your healthcare?
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Male 54
Nurses deserve way more than they are getting-They do all the work while the docs get all the money-I went to see a spinal specialist in Boston, after looking at my MRI, and a 6 minute exam, he said I don`t need surgery-and charged me $485.00 dollars-I don`t care how well qualified you are 15 minutes does not equate to that much money--I refuse to pay.
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Male 1,595
My dear mother is a Surgical Nurse, and she worked 72 hours last week.
She deserves every penny she got for it, and da*n whoever says she doesn`t.
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Male 275
its funny how the graph that shows elderly population also reflects how bad elderly people have it in the US. All the other countries are rising, the US is falling.

Does this show worse or better living standards than the rest of the world? And indirectly the skill of respective doctors?
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Male 633
Do Americans typically pay less than 19% of their income for all their national and local income-based taxes, and payments for fully-comprehensive healthcare?

Did you forget your VAT tax in that little calculation???

And yes.
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Male 2,850
@peixao13

"It is expensive because of the free-loaders that use Emergency rooms as their "free clinic""

So...you`re just going to ignore all the facts in that image that give completely different reasons?

You`re not even going to refute the facts? Just ignore them?
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Male 66
huskernut97 why in the hell are you giving a pregnant woman an ASA?

I love reading this as I sit on call for my hospitals ER. Why just today I had an unemployed pregnant female with abdominal pain. After all lab tests and a thorough physical exam I confirmed she is fine. She has no insurance. SO let me know, next time should I turn her away, or will you begrudgingly pay $5 (the actual price) for a single aspirin, since she pain nothing?
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Male 66
It is expensive because of the free-loaders that use Emergency rooms as their "free clinic" They don`t pay and we end up paying for their bills and own. That is what is broken!!
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Male 5,811
[quote]If you`re stupid enough to believe this $#!+, you deserve to die on a waiting list.[/quote]
Better that than dying in an ambulance because every hospital ER is on "divert."

If I am sick and want to see a doctor, I don`t even need an appointment, I just go to my minor emerg clinic and see the doctor on call. 2 hrs max and I`m out of there, sometimes it`s been as low as 20 mins. without an appointment. Oh and I don`t need to bring my debit card with me either.

Typical American argument: "You think gov`t will run it better?!?!"
Typical person with universal HC: "I wouldn`t get rid of it for anything."

The problem is what others have said, US runs HC strictly for the bottom line, which is ridiculous. HMOs have their gooey tendrils so far into your system that we should just pull the plug on your HC system, format and reinstall a better system.
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Male 2,850
@Saott

"I`d much rather pay higher taxes (like I do, relative to the US) to fund public services like health care"

You know, I wonder if that is even true and necessary. Here in the "socialist nightmare" of the UK, my total income-based tax burden* is 19% of my income.

Do Americans typically pay less than 19% of their income for all their national and local income-based taxes, and payments for fully-comprehensive healthcare?

*Breakdown:

National Insurance (pays for healthcare, pensions and unemployment benefit, plus a few other bits and bobs)

Council-tax (technically not income-based, but rather based on the value of my home, but I included it anyway for fairness; pays for local services such as refuse, fire-fighting, roads and lighting, etc).

Income tax (plain old tax, pays for all the other national stuff).
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Male 14,773
America, I just hope you don`t get cancer and die.
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Male 3,631
Ha, I just realized Saott and I presented two fundamentally different inquiries to you.
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Male 3,631
Ollie, did you even read this infograph? The first 4 reasons cited are MYTHS according to the author, not issues for which they are advocating on behalf of. If anything, I would have expected you to agree with at least two of the 2nd section`s items - the incentive of healthcare providers to charge as much as they can based on our already-existing subsidies (insurance-based or otherwise), and administrative overhead which underlies the absurdly litigious culture that we have here in America.

What exactly about this did you determine to be socialist claptrap?
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Male 700
No idea what your talking about my stitches are free..
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Male 16
OldOllie: Explain to me what the problem is with socialist health care? The 10 highest-ranked countries in the world for health care use a public or public-private system. And why is it different to pay your regular health insurance payments in one lump sum however often you pay it, rather than being charged in small amounts in the form of additional taxes on goods?

Personally, I`d much rather pay higher taxes (like I do, relative to the US) to fund public services like health care, and know that if I or someone I care about need it, we have it, and that even if I`m not making use of it any time soon, other people are. I help them, and when I`ll most likely need it at some point in the future, they`ll be helping me.
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Male 620
@seeblz
My opinions, if i wanted to write a well researched essay on something, i wouldn`t be doing it on iab.
My sources? Healthcare workers, including those who have the ability to prescribe narcotics. It`s a sad state of affairs when doctors fear for their lives when they prescribe Ibuprofen.

But like i said, i hope people aren`t getting their information from a blog, or even worse, some non-nice individual on i-a-b.
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Male 15,832
What a bunch of socialist claptrap. Oh, yeah, the biggest problem we have is that the government isn`t doing ENOUGH to f*** up the health care system.

If you`re stupid enough to believe this $#!+, you deserve to die on a waiting list.
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Male 118
From someone in the healthcare industry, there is some truth to this. We spend more time trying to collect from insurance companies than we do serving the patient. Some insurances (Cigna) take up to a year to pay. Also, the higher prices we have to charge are often dictated by the insurance companies.
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Male 2,143
Why the graph? The reason is one word:Greed.
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Female 3,562
huskernut97: No, you shouldn`t turn her away. You`re somehow saying that if she DID have insurance it would be worth it. That money still comes from somewhere.
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Female 3,562
They claim doctors are overpaid, but how many years does it take a doctor to pay back student loans? Medical training is the most severely overpriced education there is, and that cost eventually gets to the patient.
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Male 1,252
So i assume there are no free clinics every 10 blocks like there are here? no appt neccessary ^^


Also 300k is absurd.
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Male 523
@markust123 I still have a family doctor too, but Gerry is right. They are dying out.
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Male 4,283
"There is no such thing anymore as a "Family Doctor". "

I must be lucky. I`ve had the same family doctor for about 20 years. Every new insurance policy I have received has let me stay with him. He`s a wonderful wonderful man. He`s my brother`s doctor also.
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Male 16
I love reading this as I sit on call for my hospitals ER. Why just today I had an unemployed pregnant female with abdominal pain. After all lab tests and a thorough physical exam I confirmed she is fine. She has no insurance. SO let me know, next time should I turn her away, or will you begrudgingly pay $5 (the actual price) for a single aspirin, since she pain nothing?
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Male 37,888

[quote]"Dude, get you ass to your family doctor." [/quote]
There is no such thing anymore as a "Family Doctor".
You have to go to a Dr. in your HMO network. Call and make an apointment for a month away. The system is designed that way to discourage people from seeing a doctor too regularly and therefore reducing the HMO costs. That or go to the emergency room.

HMOs have a goal. Take your money while delivering a minimum of service. Preferably none.
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Male 523
@Markust
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Male 4,283
"And this is why I won`t go to the hospital even though i`m pretty sure my appendix is in the process of dieing. IDK what is wrong with it, but it`s fuc*ed up."

Dude, get you ass to your family doctor.
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Male 3,482
[quote]But does that make the lower cost and the Doctor better at what they do? [/quote]

Funny you should mention that, because if you compare the average American (natural) life-span to the average Americanohealth care costs , then compare the ratio to the rest of the world...

But the problem is, doctors in the US NEED to be overpaid, because the education costs are so f*cking high, because colleges know they can get away with charging it, because doctors CAN charge so much, because insurance will cover the costs.

It all goes back to the massive amounts of money insurance and loans can put out. That artificial inflation of our currency is what`s fu... No, it`s downright FISTING us, and we`re just sitting back and taking it.
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Female 1,236
It`s on the internet...it must be accurate & true.
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Female 77
$1,500 stitches? Lol no. That`s how much the ER that sent me to a different location billed (my insurance) to have a nurse examine and wrap my hand in gauze.
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Male 7,378
Hey CJ, You hear that? Malpractice 2%. Another factiod you throw around is proven to be false. What`s next?
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Male 1,293
ccmdoc

It is government subsidies that have forced up the cost of university courses. They are why your debt is so high. Google "higher education bubble", and learn some basic economics.
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Male 1,293
I am sorry, when something says that people have less power because government is less involved you know it`s utter bullcrap.
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Male 73
@ccmdoc: I can understand and accept your points about the overpricing of health care education, and the problems with malpractice insurance. However, if you think that Am. healthcare is the best in the world, you`ve never lived in another country with a workable managed healthcare system. I get faster, better, more comprehensive care in Japan for a lower price than I ever got in the US. Japan uses a single-payer system, with strictly regulated price controls on fees. Yes, I have a 30% co-pay, which seems high compared to the US, but my actual bills are always much lower than I used to have.
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Male 19
@ccmdoc Just because you paid way too much for schooling doesn`t mean we can`t pay you less. If both schooling costs and pay checks went down then there would be no long term problems with debt. Also, we`re not even in the top 3 of having the best healthcare. Germany in fact is better than us and they`ve only been at it themselves for 25 years. Also their doctors are way better trained and they don`t have to pay off student debts for 30 years.
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Male 7,123
`I have freaking $300,000US in student loans` Do you think the state should seriously subsidise the training of essential personnel such as doctors? I do.

I think it is outrageous that you are in so much debt even before you start. $300,000? That is terrible. And a really bad system.
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Male 646
Republicans want to privatize schools and prisons too. Suckers.
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Male 139
inb4 illegals.
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Male 1
Doctors make too much Huh?

I have freaking $300,000US in student loans; that amounts to about $4500US per month. (just my student loans!) If you pay US doctors less, your going to drive alot of talent out of the field and, MARK MY WORD, you will be left with a bunch of foreign born doctors with sub-par education and residency training filling the gaps. Fine, if you prefer to see an assassin.

Also, take a look at all the people NOT choosing to establish a relationship with a primary care physician and abusing our emergency rooms, using them as their private clinic...talk about a $3500 bill for a cold that antibiotics aren`t going to cure anyways.

Dont even get me started on my malpractice insurance! I can no longer provide volunteer emergency health care at races (marathons, triathalons etc.) because my insurance company wont cover me!!!

Its broken alright; but we enjoy the best healthcare in the world. However, cutting my bottom line is DEFINITE
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Male 10,845
Administrative costs are high because of the ridiculous overregulation
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Male 7,123
If you are in a position when you have to ask `I`m sick, can I afford to be treated?` then your system is primitive. Even if you are insured and relatively well off you you are only two serious problems from beimg bankrupt.

The NHS is one of the best things the UK ever did. It ain`t perfect, but it works and I don`t begrudge a penny of my taxes spent on it.
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Male 4,793
I think i`m going to go ahead and apply for dual citizenship in Canada. Their health care system beats ours into the ground. Their EVERYTHING beats the US into the ground.
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Male 4,793
"i went to the hospital 2 hours before my insurance covered me. after the procedure, they gave me a pill for nausea without informing me of the cost. it was a $400 pill i now have to pay out of pocket for on top of the $500 i am paying for 15 mins of the doctor`s time. criminal."

That is god damned disgusting.
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Male 4,793
"Make Vicodin over the counter and watch the number of visits to clinics plummet, thus lowering healthcare costs."

Or they could stop charging $100 for a bottle of $7 tylenol. Basically everything you said is wrong and ignorant.
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Male 4,793
And this is why I won`t go to the hospital even though i`m pretty sure my appendix is in the process of dieing. IDK what is wrong with it, but it`s fuc*ed up.
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Male 273
i went to the hospital 2 hours before my insurance covered me. after the procedure, they gave me a pill for nausea without informing me of the cost. it was a $400 pill i now have to pay out of pocket for on top of the $500 i am paying for 15 mins of the doctor`s time. criminal.
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Male 2,868
@Tacos4Brkfst- sources or they`re just your opinions. You criticize the infographic`s sources, yet you provide none to back up wild claims such as "MOST of these frivolous appointments are because someone wants prescribed narcotics."
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Male 620
Mostly, people need to quit visiting the doctor every time they get the sniffles, a pulled muscle, hangnail, or scraped knee.

MOST of these frivolous appointments are because someone wants prescribed narcotics. Make Vicodin over the counter and watch the number of visits to clinics plummet, thus lowering healthcare costs.
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Male 620
>charge more because they can.
That is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. Less involved compared to what? There is some credence to it however. Just a simple example; if you have state insurance and have two teeth that need drilled, you will get two difference appointments. Private insurance would demand it gets done in one appointment if possible.

"85% is due to complex private insurance system"
aaaand.... wanted to stop reading there. The person who wrote this has obviously never dealt with paperwork regarding both public and private insurance.

Massive outpatient costs:
Because unnecessarily filling up beds, preventing others from getting care is a good thing.

Doctors are overpaid? wtf am i reading. Most doctors i know are still paying on student loans, and are unable to get any sort of refinancing or mortgages.

So many blogs in the sources, it should be criminal to do that.

Mostly, people need to quit vis
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Male 2,345
I can sum it up in one word, this one word will also explain that while we understand that healthcare is a right we treat it like a privilege.

GREED.
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Male 4,283
"Why is health care so expensive [in America]?"

Because when the last two Democratic Presidents tried to fix the problem the Republicans did everything they could to obstruct so the measures wouldn`t pass.
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Male 7,123
Gerry,

Free contraception is a social good. You don`t need to be good at making decisions to procreate. It will save a hell of a lot more than it costs.
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Male 1,243
more proof of the religion of money
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Male 10,339
Agreed.

Allow interstate insurance markets, and costs will fall.
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Male 7,123
TonyGCleff

I don`t think that was quite the point. Just as a comparison I`m an experienced head of department in an outstanding school. They send me to other schools to rais their game. I make £40K and have no complaints, I think it`s fair. My GP makes just short of £100K (we`re old friends and flat-mates)and I have no complaints. That`s fair. In fact, if he wanted an extra £20K I wouldn`t have a problem.

Obviously some specialists make a lot more, as they should.

I don`t think anyone is suggesting that doctors get paid the national average. Just that there are reasonable limits, after which it`s just greed. And American doctors do have an international reputation (fairly or unfairly) for being staggeringly well paid.
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Male 10,845
Administrative costs are high because of the ridiculous overregulation
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Female 11
We can also get into get a procedure, when it`s an emergency an dour lives depend on it, rather than wait a week to die before having an MRI, or CT scan. We pay for what we get. Service. And fast service at that. How would you like to be turned away, for heart surgery, for lack of beds? Have lung disease...Well your medicine is too expensive. Have a good life, while you can. In labor? Too bad. Go home and have the kid. Yes, health care in the U.S. is expensive, but we get what we pay for.
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Male 4,283
"Why is health care so expensive [in America]?"

Simple. Because we are the only civilized country in the world where it is not illegal for health care to be for profit.
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Male 10,440
[quote] some of the elements of socialism actually work better than the capitalist equivalent. For example roads, police force, firemen etc.. And health care.
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... in short, all of those things that make society function. *gasp* I think I`m a socialist.

SAVE ME!
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Male 5,413
Good stuff, though I`m slightly suspicious of those figures. Either way, Americans are getting crapped on when it comes to health care.
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Male 1,471
@Outwest: Who said anything about oil companies ?..

Why can`t you, instead of spouting absurdities, adress the issue. American health care costs twice as much as anywhere else in the world, but is not better.

Communism is obviously not a good way to run a country, i think nearly all of us can agree on that, but some of the elements of socialism actually work better than the capitalist equivalent. For example roads, police force, firemen etc.. And health care.

I just don`t understand how anyone can be so adamantly against something so obiously good. Except of course if all you know about it is misinformation. I`m not a big fan of deathpanels myself.. :P
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Male 18
I`m a Physician Assistant working in spine surgery. I sure hope nobody decides that I`m overpaid and starts making changes... I`m just trying to take care of my family and like any other hard working individual.
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Male 10,440
This is a repost.

I have the same reaction to it as I did before...

... I agree with the general message but many of the details are inaccurate, misleading or wrong.

For example, cigarette consumption in Canada is 897 per person per year, while in the states it`s 1,196. You smoke more than we do.
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Male 3,364
"If we pay them bad money, we will get bad service."


Yeah, cuz all those sossulists up there is communist Canada are dropping like flies after seeing their govment doctors!! Please. Here in the states, doctors don`t even make the decisions anymore. The Big Pharma reps do.
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Male 546
So this compares the cost of products in a free market vs the cost of government dictated costs?

Of course it`s cheaper to visit a Doctor that is employed by the Government and paid at a rate dictated by the Government.

But does that make the lower cost and the Doctor better at what they do?

Following that logic why doesn`t the government do everything for us? Nationalize oil companies, and sell us cheaper gasoline? Take over agriculture, and give us food?

Again, do you really believe the Government will do it better? Really?

The Government can`t even balance it`s own budget!
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Male 1,252
Lack of socialized healthcare due to massive government spending on an absurdly oversize military? whoaauhhh...nevermind..I take that back ... uhhh just kidding heh heh ...heh... plz dont invade us for being `filthy unamericans` o.o
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Male 37,888

Doctors in the US are overpaid. That`s why doctors in other countries try to come here...for the money.

At least, that used to be true. In their efforts to make more money, HMO`s are now cutting into the pay of physicians and nurses. Soon they`ll be unable to afford health care either.
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Male 37,888

Lord Jim - LOL. No I`m just putting the info out there. But as a matter of point, I am in favor of socialized health care but I do not think private companies should have to cover contraception.
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Male 179
Doctors in the United States are in no way overpaid. If we pay them bad money, we will get bad service. Why would you want pay people that save our lives, spend about an extra ten years of schooling after high school, and worked extremely hard their entire lives the same amount as most of their patients. This image is just too opinionated for my taste and I hope people on here are not sucked into a simple graphic somebody posted to push their beliefs on to a mass audience.
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Male 736
Good luck, friends!
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Male 7,123
Interesting figures, Gerry. So what you are really saying is you want hard-working honest Joes to pay for contraception for lazy sluts? Commie.
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Male 1,471
I hope this isn`t surprising anyone...?
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Male 6,737
Good infograph.
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Male 37,888
Link: Why Is Health Care So Expensive? [Pic] [Rate Link] - Ever wonder why one aspirin or a bandage costs upwards of $50 when you get it at the hospital?
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