Student Who Taped His Teacher`s Obama Rant?

Submitted by: 5cats 5 years ago in
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/24/NC-student-interview-harassment

Suspended! The teacher? NOT fired! Public school in the USA, eh?
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Male 559
Neither person should be reprimanded. This is petty.
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Male 523
"So, just because a few a willing, we should take that choice away from them? "

No one is taking it away from them. If they can`t afford both homeschooling and taxes, then they should just send their kids to public school. If they have the money, then good for them. I understand the point of the vouchers, but the problem with using them in areas where the public schools suck is that it will only make the public schools worse with no chance of getting better. You`re basically damning children because their parents are poor.
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Male 523
@MeGrendel
"Strange, all of those were present at the private school I sent my daughter to(although, the bullies were weeded out pretty quick...see, we had a code of conduct that was actually ENFORCED...can`t have that in a public school)."

Just the opposite where I live. In our public schools we have a 1 strike policy with regards to drugs and pretty strict policies when it comes to bullying. However, in the private schools, you can get away with a lot more. (If you are caught with drugs on campus, one or two times, you get let off with a warning.)
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Male 3
Here is more about this "teacher"...she has filed bankruptcy 2 times in the last 9 years and lives in a 151,000 house check out what I found...sorry I had to redact her address for my own piece of mind but this is a public record


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Male 8,544
SmagBoy1-"But that`s what vouchers are"

My state currently does not use them. But I think they`re a great idea.

SmagBoy1-"it completely undermines the public school system."

No, it completely undermines the public schools that are doing a horrible job.

Do you want to be forced to pay for a product that doesn`t work?

eddy666-" it is only feasible for a few Americans."

So, just because a few a willing, we should take that choice away from them?

eddy666-"to hide them from atheism, homosexuality, black people, and bullies."

Strange, all of those were present at the private school I sent my daughter to(although, the bullies were weeded out pretty quick...see, we had a code of conduct that was actually ENFORCED...can`t have that in a public school).
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Male 523
@SmagBoy1 No one has faith in our government, but we still have to try to amend it when giving the opportunity. I agree with you on the voucher system. If a parent can afford to send their kid to a private school, good for them. They should still pay taxes to support the public school system regardless. They chose to go with the more expensive school, they should be financially responsible enough to pay for it without a tax break. Just about every low quality public school out there needs all the money it can get. Further starving them through a retarded voucher system just makes it a hell of a lot worse.
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Male 523
@MeGrendel The problem with homeschooling is that it is only feasible for a few Americans. Also, in the south, homeschool and private school are where parents send their kids to hide them from atheism, homosexuality, black people, and bullies. Luckily, they seem to be dying in the south (at least around me), as a lot of them were created to keep segregation in place in the first place. The public high school where I went to school outperforms all the private schools around it on every single test as well.
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Male 4,431
[quote]...I don`t know of anyone getting a tax break because they choose to send their child to Private School or Homeschool...[/quote]

But that`s what vouchers are, MeGrendel, tax breaks for those who school their kids in schools other than public schools, home or otherwise. And it completely undermines the public school system.

And, anyway, I`m sorry I brought it up. As I`ve said in other threads, I`ve all but lost faith in the government to function in our best interest as a whole population (or perhaps the lost faith is in the electorate to force change that would allow government to represent all of our best interest and not to argue and gerrymander and piss on each other over stupid, divisive, pet topic BS--same difference, though, in that government is broken). I`m sorry I even engaged you on this. My bad.
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Male 8,544
SmagBoy1-"I`m saying that either they should be REQUIRED to have their kids get school there"

Luckily you have no say-so in it.

SmagBoy1-"or pay taxes to have them schooled there anyway, even if they choose to school them at home."

Actually, that`s what they do now. I don`t know of anyone getting a tax break because they choose to send their child to Private School or Homeschool. (Believe me, I`d be all for it.)
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Male 4,431
...to me, democracy is broken here. Beyond repair. Hell, I don`t know if it ever worked. I don`t have a better system, but, I do know that the idea of the American dream and each of us getting an equal shot is not (and probably never was) the truth. Maybe I`m disenfranchised? Doesn`t matter. I pay my taxes and do my job and hope that I have a house to live in when I retire. I reckon that`s all I can do.
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Male 4,431
Actually, truth is, yes, I`m saying that either they should be REQUIRED to have their kids get school there, or pay taxes to have them schooled there anyway, even if they choose to school them at home. The voucher system not only allows people of means to milk the system while complaining about socialism, it undermines the government`s chance of paying for schools that are already having their budgets raped in order to pay for bombs.

Further, no correction for "race" can be made when almost the entire study population is white. You can say all you want that you`ve removed bias for race and other factors, but, your statistics lose what`s known as statistical "power" (read: legitimacy) when the sample is so non-random and self-selecting. If you want to show me where the home school population represents anything even close to society at large, I`ll shut up.

As for preconceived notions, I don`t care who does what, actually. To me, democracy is bro
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Male 8,544
SmagBoy1-"it would create a society where the "haves" would get education and the "have nots" would not"

So, a parent who CAN give their child a better education (be it private or home) should be REQUIRED to give their child a sub-standard education just to be `fair`?

You win the Ignorant Statement of the Day Award.

SmagBoy1-"those statistics are worthless."

No, those statistics are the reality. They just don`t fit with your `Social conscious` view so you `deem` them `worthless`.

Why are you considering someone who chooses to homeschool to be `socioeconomically significantly better off`?

Are you going to claim it`s `racist`, too? (Before you do, please realize that the same study determined that homeschooling pretty much wiped out the discrepancy of scored due to race t
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Male 4,431
MeGrendel, those statistics are worthless. I don`t say that to be an ass, but, when the N studied is selectively skewed to be not only socioeconomically significantly better off, but one in which the parents teaching the homeschooling received much higher quality (read: non-inner city school) education, of COURSE the scores are going to skew that way. The conclusion is absolutely meaningless.
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Male 4,431
What homeschooling (and private schooling) would do is exactly what our founders wanted to avoid--it would create a society where the "haves" would get education and the "have nots" would not only *not* have access to quality education, but would never be able to get out of the socioeconomic state into which they were born. The promise of education for all was one of our founding principles. I`m not surprised we`ve forgotten it.

As for the kid getting suspended over this, I have no idea what the rules are, but, I would certainly agree that if this is his only offense, suspension seems very much over the top. As I said in my previous post, I think that there ought to be rules against teachers through high school giving personal opinions on religion or politics period, so, if I had my way, she`d be punished under that rule and he`d be punished under whatever the cell phone rule is.
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Male 8,544
eddy666-"public school offers education that no homeschooling can offer."

Obviously haven`t been in a public school since...forever.

Let`s see, a study pointed out that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects. (Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America.)

A few other findings from that study that have been confirmed:
-Average cost per homeschool student is $546 while the average cost per public school student is $5,325.

In basically EVERY study, homeschoolers out-scored public school students by a significant amount. Studies also show that they tend to score higher on college entrance exams.
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Male 1,239
The whole socially awkward if your home schooled thing is a myth in all but a few cases. Those few cases almost always involve a failing on the parents part. Most home schooled kids are socialized just fine if not more-so.
Public school was more of a socially stagnant poohole, imo, and taught very little of real world social skills.
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Male 523
@PinkRhoid I agree. This would have gone unpunished if it weren`t for the attention the video got. We need this kind of poo to be revealed so people will finally realize that we need change in the way we handle our education systems.
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Male 523
@freddyferret As much as people like you hate to admit it, public school offers education that no homeschooling can offer. Being able to interact and cooperate with a variety of different people is key to success in life, and this is something that you won`t see in homeschooling and a lot of private schools. In my opinion, if a kid is truly smart, he will succeed no matter what school he or she goes to.
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Male 1,239
What about the autistic kid who was sent to school with a recorder so the dad could get to the bottom of odd behavioral issues. If they had suspended the autistic kid would you be rambling on about how they deserved it because they stood up for themselves against bad people?
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Male 1,239
[quote]Boo dratin` Hoo! He should have been suspended from school for having a drating phone in the classroom.[/quote]

You missed the point of the entire article. It wasn`t directed at whining about his suspension but at the amount of hate he`s getting from the school officials for exposing the poor standards in his classroom. If it were just a singular punishment and the issue was squashed then this article wouldn`t be here.
As for breaking the rules to expose corruption and you being so against it... I suppose you`d prefer your kids getting 3rd rate education and being mis-treated so long as everyone followed the rules? Just where would the world be if there weren`t people who broke a few rules to expose corruption or abuse by higher authorities. Hint: you wouldn`t be in the US typing asinine comments if not for people doing just that. Granted, this is on a much smaller scale.
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Male 11,739
This is just another reason we home school our kids. If they ever have to go back to a school for some reason (doubtful), it will be a private school. I am not putting my kids through that kind of stupidity.
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Male 15,832
[quote]Since when do you get SUSPENDED for something like that?[/quote]
Since he exposed the teacher as a complete fool in front of the entire nation.

Oh, and I almost forgot:

Reason #191 to abolish government schools.
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Male 523
@SmagBoy1 @RobSwindol
Since when do you get SUSPENDED for something like that? Confiscation or detention seems like a much more reasonable punishment for having something that every student has.
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Male 2,528
Boo dratin` Hoo! He should have been suspended from school for having a drating phone in the classroom.
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Male 4,431
So, first of all, I`d rather teachers through high school not discuss with their classes religion or politics (save for civics or religious studies, etc., and, even then, I`d prefer they avoid personal opinion at all cost). So, to me, Obama, Bush, Republican, Democrat, doesn`t matter. Shouldn`t be discussed IMHO. I don`t guess that`s a rule, but, to me, it should be.

That said, if there are rules about cell phones in class, in school, etc., and apparently there are here, they shouldn`t be broken. And, in this case, looks like suspension was the punishment. If that`s not how it went down, if I`m off base here about the facts, I apologize. Doesn`t seem like there are any winners here. :-(
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Male 15,832
I hope he sues them till their butts bleed.
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Male 8,544
eddy666-"teachers aren`t usually `overworked`."

This I was going to originally dissagree with. Until I read further.

eddy666-"The GOOD teachers overwork themselves, but crappy teachers don`t really do poo."

Agreed. My wife is badly overworked. She`s the type of teach most student`s dread before having, ("I heard Mrs. Grendel`s class is HARD"), hate when they have her ("I can`t believe she gave us this mudch work!") but love by the time they leave because they LEARNED something ("Thank you Mrs. Grendel. I wouldn`t have passed boards except for you.")

Some of the other teachers would rather be thought of as the students` friends, and make sure everyone passes (even if they don`t know the material) and in no way prepare them for real life.
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Male 523
@jamie76
I take that back. Go watch the video. She deserves to be fired. She did not just go off on a rant, she screamed uncontrollably, and the student was the one who had to try to calm her down. She also kind of sounds like a dumb bitch.
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Male 8,544
eddy666-"Just because the teachers you know don`t feel this way"

That`s just it. I know many teachers, and I know quite a few that feel this way. And invariably they are the teachers that otherwise could not hold a job in the private sector.

FP was saying I was insulting ALL teachers, just because he`s clumping them all into one homogeneous group where any teacher `a` can be interchanged with teacher `x`. The reality is that there are great teachers, good teachers and crappy teachers. I`ll even go so far to say there are many more good teachers than crappy ones.

The only ones paranoid about the Republican ones are the ones who KNOW they couldn`t hold a job based on their merits. (I find this pretty common in the majority of Union Members).
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Male 523
@jamie76
I never said she should be fired, but she should definitely be seriously reprimanded. Also, teachers aren`t usually `overworked`. The GOOD teachers overwork themselves, but crappy teachers don`t really do poo. I can`t really judge either way if this is a good or bad teacher, but generally people who go into a field like teaching should be able prevent themselves from doing something like this.

Also, I agree the student should get in trouble for it, but the punishment was too harsh. I feel like the punishment was what it was because his taping the class brought negative attention to the school and teacher. Usually, use of electronic devices results in confiscation, not suspension.
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Male 523
@FoolsPrussia Unfortunately, McGrendel`s claims have a lot of truth to them. I don`t want to see teachers fired over minor issues - everyone makes mistakes, but there are quite a few teachers who shouldn`t even be allowed on a school campus or around children who are held in place with the same benefits and a similar salary as teachers who are there because they truly care about education.
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Male 2,344
the teacher sould be reprimanded for what she did, but fired? come on that is just silly.

the student, if they broke the rules by taping in the class should get into trouble for it.

you can`t give the kid a free pass simply because you do not like Obama.

rules are rules, and if the kid breaks`em, they ge into trouble.

this teacher is probably over worked, over stressed and probably was having a pooty day dealing with teenagers. we have have bad days and this doesn`t seem to be something she makes a habit of.

course right wingers are jumping on it because well, they hate the president.
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Male 523
@MeGrendel
Just because the teachers you know don`t feel this way doesn`t mean that FP`s point is invalid. I haven`t known teachers to feel this way either, but the country is a big place.
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Male 8,544
FoolsPrussia-"So when you insult hardworking teachers,"

I don`t insult hardworking teachers. Those are the ones that deserve a raise...a big-assed one.

I`m only insulting the crappy, lazy, preachy teachers whould should not be around our children.

If you can`t determine the difference, I`d suggest a reading comprehension course.

FoolsPrussia-"They`re upset because you are calling them lazy freeloaders."

So you claim that NO teachers are lazy freeloaders? I refer you to the New York Rubber Rooms.

I have the utmost respect for GOOD teachers. I feel that GREAT teachers are badly underpaid. By the same token, I feel the BAD teachers are overpaid and need to be fired.
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Male 40,752
@tedgp: You miss the obvious (or don`t know the history of the case) it`s the TEACHER imposing HER views and freezing the freedom of the student, ok?

That she isn`t fired is tragic. That the whole school system is so corrupt it punishes the truth and refuses to protect the innocent is pathetic.

@FP: No one "demonizes" good, hardworking teachers! Duh! It`s clowns like this one who: A)vote Democrat and B)get demonized. (and rightfully so!)

Now A) is entirely up to them, but B) should get them fired! But it doesn`t. THAT is the problem.
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Male 14,331
@tedgp

1st... case closed fire the teacher!
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Male 3,285
Now, which amendment guarantees free speech about religion and politics?

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Male 3,445
cont.

So when you insult hardworking teachers, you only prove my point. They`re upset because you are calling them lazy freeloaders.
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Male 3,445
"I know many teachers, from elementary to college. (married one, in fact). Most do not feel the Republicans are out to get them. Actually, many ARE Republicans."

As I said in my post, I was taught by several outspoken Republican teachers in public school.

"The only ones who think the Republicans are out to get them are the crappy, lazy, preachy teachers that could not hold a job if it weren`t for their Union holding the children hostage."

In this part of your comment, you prove yourself to be ignorant. My mom is a teacher. I have never known anyone to work harder than her. We were poor when I was a kid, but my mom worked several teaching jobs at a time and also found time to cook, clean, and pick us up from school. Every year, things got better for us financially, but I still had to cut back. I didn`t even get a yearbook until my junior year of high school, because my sister was two years ahead of me and we couldn`t pay for both.
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Male 8,544
eddy666-" pubs, and every single one of them wants higher salaries for teachers."

I will be first to agree that teachers should be paid better. BUT, I also believe that their should be held accountable, and it should not be IMPOSSIBLE to get rid of those that do not need to be in the proffesion.

FoolsPrussia-"I meant it to be from the perspective of the teachers."

In that you`d be mistaken. I know many teachers, from elementary to college. (married one, in fact). Most do not feel the Republicans are out to get them. Actually, many ARE Republicans.

The only ones who think the Republicans are out to get them are the crappy, lazy, preachy teachers that could not hold a job if it weren`t for their Union holding the children hostage.
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Male 3,445
` I have friends who are pubs, and every single one of them wants higher salaries for teachers. Stop making generalizations based on political parties. It`s comments like that that fuel sensationalist media like Fox news and CNN. That mindset is what is ruining our political system.`

I didn`t mean it as a generalization that all registered Republicans are out to get them. I meant it to be from the perspective of the teachers. If they feel Republicans are out to get them, they are more likely to espouse liberal views. I had teachers in high school who were Republicans, and weren`t afraid to state their opinions in front of the class, but I doubt even they are okay with having their profession demonized.
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Female 2,761
wow eddy666, way to clog up the comment space of the internets
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Male 6,737
I knew this would be a 5Cats`er. To be honest the clincher was the "eh" though.

Eh.
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Male 1,754
He gets suspended for recording a teacher acting like a psycho? What? Where`s the justice and fairness in that?
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Male 523
aren`t even fit to raise their own child get paid the same amount as a teacher that would lay their life down for their students, and that`s just not fair.
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Male 523
On the topic of education and teachers, I think that teachers should should receive a significant hike in salary in the form of a raise distributed throughout the course of about 15 years, assuming that teacher stays in good standing with the administration.

Just an example:
A teacher who does a good job (which includes but is not limited to: producing good standardized test scores, being involved with and running extra curricular activities for students, being well-organized and following your own lesson plan, actively participating in school affairs, etc) and has had no serious disciplinary issues should receive a raise every 2 or 3 years they remain at the school (or even in the school system), capping out eventually, of course.

I know it`s not a perfect plan, but we really need policies that reward outstanding teachers and punish terrible ones. That`s how it works in virtually every other line of work, yet in the public education system you constantly see teac
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Male 523
@FoolsPrussia I have friends who are pubs, and every single one of them wants higher salaries for teachers. Stop making generalizations based on political parties. It`s comments like that that fuel sensationalist media like Fox news and CNN. That mindset is what is ruining our political system.
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Male 523
@HoboKombat @TheNineXXX
In most cases, you would be right. However, this kind of stuff has been on the rise recently and you can read about it on websites that are more respectable than breitbart.com.
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Male 523
Alright, it`s poo like this that`s finally made me change my mind about unions. Public sector unions need to go. I completely support private unions, but when public educational administrations can`t fire their own teachers, there`s a problem. There shouldn`t be outside forces (other than the state department of education, of course) interfering with the management operations of a public school.
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Male 3,445
Maybe these sorts of things wouldn`t happen if teachers didn`t feel like Republicans were out to get them.
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Male 40
Check the source. If it`s attached to the name "Breitbart," you can automatically assume it`s not true.
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Male 395
Breitbart.com: sigh!
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Male 17,511
The SEIU and AFSCME unions are not rookies at harassment, intimidation, threats and violence. This sort of thing is par for the course with them.

These unions are also so damn lazy that they`ve paid illegal aliens and homeless people (below minimum-wage) to picket for them.
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Male 376
If every teacher who, at one point or another, went on some irrational, psychotic rant was fired for it I would never have graduated.
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Male 8,544
Last line of the article: "Just what does it take for a teacher to be fired these days?"

Well, it`s already been demonstrated that threatening, beating and raping students is not enough to get a teacher fired.

Did anyone ever doubt that the Unions and the liberal school administrators would ever do anything OTHER than rally around this teacher and protect her job?

Did anyone ever doubt that this student would ever face anything OTHER than harrrassment for revealing the liberal rantings of a liberal, minority, teacher?

After all, what the hell does this student think students are there for if not for the sole purpose providing teachers with jobs, and unions with dues. They sure as hell are not there to learn anything (other than liberal ideals, of course, and how to grow up to be a due-paying union member)
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Male 1,442
That is what you get for being porky with greasy long black hair!

I never understand why that is a weirdly common look... distract people from your belly with greasy hair sticking to your acne face.
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Male 762
Breitbart.com... I think we saw one of their reporters dressed up in an Elmo costume yesterday...
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Male 39,921

I would be incensed by this if I hadn`t already given up all hope for the USA.
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Male 40,752
Link: Student Who Taped His Teacher`s Obama Rant? [Rate Link] - Suspended! The teacher? NOT fired! Public school in the USA, eh?
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