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  1. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 7, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    Link: Selective Reasoning - NEVER conflict with my world view or ideologies...Hey look, new iPhone!
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Reality makes me sad...
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    syke22 Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Annnnnd cue the religion rage comments
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 10:51 am
    This is sadly accurate..
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 10:53 am
    Technology peaked w/ cooking utensils.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    June 9, 2012 at 10:58 am
    It works.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 11:11 am
    I`m pretty sure the scientists working on new ways of getting oil from the bottom of the ocean aren`t the same scientists who are trying to prove global warming exists.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 11:13 am
    I agree with the sentiment of the comic, but this is a pretty blatant straw man argument. Not acceptable.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2012 at 11:34 am
    paddy215: Apparently you haven`t met Davymid here at IAB yet.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    -trying to sneak in that global warming isn`t fake

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    1) Evolution occurs.
    2) NASA is not a waste of money.*
    3) Global Warming/Cooling will occur, no matter what. It`s not a static system. (That doesn`t mean we do not need to trash the planet, though).

    *note: I love the arguments `sending a gazillion dollars into space is a waste of time`, as if the actual satellite/craft was stuffed with the amount of money they are complaining. They do not realize that the MAJORITY is for goods and services to build/maintain/use the satellite/craft in question (you know...jobs).
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    Atrayu4u Female 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    My 6th grade teacher suggested that I make my Gs not look like 6s, and I`ve been trying to follow her advice to this day.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    Truth.
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    sometimes it`s easier to believe in fairy tales than it is to simply say "i don`t know"
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    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    First off, this isn`t really funny, and it`s true of some people, but not really enough to be really that relevant.
    Secondly, the global warming that the politicians and media push down our throats isn`t real. It`s just a hoax to help with political agendas. Global warming IS a real thing and does happen, but it`s not an extremely pressing issue. There are far worse things that we do to our environment and nature than contribute to global warming.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    Secondly, the global warming that the politicians and media push down our throats isn`t real. --------
    Uh scientists came up with "Climate Change". Nobody is pushing anything down your throat. You merely choose to not believe. But you can rest assured that science means truth because there`s nothing a scientist loves more than proving another scientist wrong.
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    monsterzero Male 40-49
    353 posts
    June 9, 2012 at 4:40 pm
    "Gee. you really seem to be at peace with yourself and really enjoy your life."
    "That`s because I have God in my life."
    "Shut up you ignorant neanderthal! You`re of lesser intelligence because you believe in a myth!"
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    Sathon Male 18-29
    248 posts
    June 9, 2012 at 4:49 pm
    Lol @ trying to sneak in global warming with scientifically credible things.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    Hey! I know! Lets make a cartoon STEREOTYPING people we HATE and pretend it`s funneh!

    Or not. Not funneh that is. Just lame.
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    ChelmaCavo Female 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 5:25 pm
    @eddy666

    Sooo, it isn`t real, but it is? Make up yo mind, brutha.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    madest-"Uh scientists came up with "Climate Change"."

    Actually, politicians came up with `Global Warming` (scientist originally had it as `global cooling`), and if you supported thier viewpoints you got grants out the wazoo.

    Unfortunately, the earth quit listening to the scientist. It didn`t warm like, or as much as, they said it should. So the `Global Warming` was changed to `Global Climate Change` in hope that no one would notice.

    Climate Change has been around as long as there`s been a `climate`. It`s a dynamic system.

    So tell me: Exactly WHAT level of glaciation is `perfect`, `as it should be`?

    As they were in 1900? 1800? When they reached as far south as Nebraska?
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    Xerasia Female 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    @monsterzero, right, and...?
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    Profworm Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    I believe in science and evolution, and I`ve lived in one state for long enough to make me think there might be something to this whole global climate change deal.

    That said, no one wins with a straw man. Sure, maybe you think you are winning, but it is just arguing with your imagination. Terrible comic.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    "Lets make a cartoon STEREOTYPING people we HATE"

    Who`s he stereotyping? Ignorant Americans?
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    monsterzero Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2012 at 8:44 pm
    @Xerasia:
    Exactly!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    Unfortunately, the earth quit listening to the scientist. It didn`t warm like, or as much as, they said it should. ---------
    Oh did climate change have an expiration date? What kind of retard logic do you live by MeGrendel? It hasn`t happened yet so it`s therefore an impossibility? I`ve known smarter dogs. This spring was the hottest on record, chances are next spring will be even hotter. Be sure to put sunblock on that bald head. You need the protection.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    June 9, 2012 at 9:34 pm
    Global warming is a scam to advance the cause of international socialism. Either that or it`s just an AMAZING coincidence that the prescriptions for global warming just happen to be in perfect alignment with the goals of international socialism.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    @OldOllie: Good grief, please tell me you`re not serious.

    Anthropogenic (man-caused) global warming is an established fact. The generally negative trends it has and is causing on Earth are also an established fact. The science also says that the earlier we work to reverse the trend, the easier it will be.

    Furthermore, global cooperation does not equal "international socialism", nor is a certain degree of socialism a bad thing (medicare, social security, and other federally funded and run social programs).

    You`re letting politics blind you to the facts that science is telling us, and that is precisely what this comic was about.

    In other words, you`re behaving just like one of these cartoon characters, and that`s just sad.
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
    625 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 12:49 am
    You`re letting politics blind you to the facts that science is telling us, and that is precisely what this comic was about.

    In other words, you`re behaving just like one of these cartoon characters, and that`s just sad.

    Wow, BURN!
    Selective reasoning, or cherry picking, or (somewhat connected) quote mining is the death to every discussion
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 5:57 am
    @OldOllie:

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    monsterzero Male 40-49
    353 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 6:22 am
    Anthropogenic (man-caused) global warming is an established fact.


    Yes it is but the fact is, man made global warming is so miniscule it`s not worth arguing about.
    The truth is that it`s happening to all the planets in the solar system.
    Surely the rising temperatures on Mars can`t be blamed on man.
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    botfly Male 50-59
    616 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 6:26 am
    @Madest Why must you always be such a dick?
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 6:44 am
    Madest, a dick?? NOOOOOOO!!!!!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 8:54 am
    Yes it is but the fact is, man made global warming is so miniscule it`s not worth arguing about. ---------
    These definitive statements are only opinions and do not reflect the science.

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 9:00 am
    madest-"This spring was the hottest on record,"

    A record that goes back for about 162 years. Out of millions of years. (Yes, scientific studys of past temperatures are available, and show that it`s been hotter, and colder, since the dawn of time.)

    It is not as hot as it has ever been. It will get hotter, it will get cooler.

    In terms of the environment, climate change is the norm as it`s a dynamic, cyclic system. The myth known as Climate Change is a political movement.

    You didn`t answer the question, madest: What level of glaciation is `perfect`? What is the `perfect` temperature. And how will you driving an electric car make the earth maintain that `perfect` temperature. (remember, at this moment, driving a car does not lower your level of pollution, it just moves it)
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 9:10 am
    MeGrendel, You can live in your bubble and make nonsense points about some perfect ice level with yourself. I don`t claim to be a climate scientist but I do read about it. My opinion means nothing, it`s the science that you cannot argue with unless of course you are a climate scientist. Which is clearly an impossibility.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5864 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 9:15 am
    @madest

    Okay, you`ve shown a graph of `metric tons of carbon`. But have shown nothing to detail how it affects global climate. You just insinuate that it is `bad`.

    The mass of the atmosphere is 5 quadrillion (5,000,000,000,000,000) tons. So that 6,500 tones you mention is approximately 1.3 ten-billionth (0.00000000000013%) of the atmosphere.

    I thing that pretty much sums up monsterzero`s `minisule` argument.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 9:36 am
    madest-" it`s the science that you cannot argue with"

    Of course you can argue with science. The only people who say `you can`t argue with science` are people who are standing by crappy science.

    Just a few ideas that were `supported by science that could not be argued with`:
    Geocentricity
    Spontaneous Generation
    Disease was caused by an imbalance of the four basic humors
    Firmament (sky as a dome)
    Hollow Earth
    The Element Aether (ether)

    madest-"unless of course you are a climate scientist."

    Nope, just a research chemist. So I do know a bit about research, science and data. (as in, show me the bell curve you want and I`ll give you the data to support it)
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    monsterzero Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 11:54 am
    @Madest:
    You forgot cow farts.
    Which has proven to cause more damage that fossil carbon emissions.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    You forgot cow farts. Which has proven to cause more damage that fossil carbon emissions. -----------
    No. I didn`t forget methane. But the methane that poses a threat to climate change is the methane that gets released from melting permafrost not cow farts. In fact it`s been discovered that raising livestock in Siberia has helped to strengthen their permafrost.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    The GOP - the anti-science party
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    Great until the last panel: global warming has little to do with oil; what little it has to do with oil is not harmful. To say otherwise is not science, it is speculation, politics and pseudo-science
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    Madest: if you can`t argue with it then it is, by definition, not science. That`s ironic, isn`t it?

    As for the graph, so what? It is not evidence for positive feedback in temperature. There is no evidence for such positive feedback. There is sound evidence that the positive feedback assumed by the climate panic industry is not happening. Without positive feedback, there is no dangerous man-made climate change.

    It is all in the feedback. The rest is just a smokescreen, to fool the naive and gullible such as yourself. Seen through by many of us with degrees in real sciences.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    McBoozerilla

    Actually it is the Democrats in America who are (slightly) more anti science.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    Madest

    Sorry, I did you a disservice. Your graph is actually relevant, in that it proves that human activity has not caused the majority of global warming or of its supposed effects.

    Given that the Earth began warming in about 1850, and has risen at a steady rate since overlain by a multi-decadal oscillation; given that glacial retreat has been recorded since the early 20th century, at a fairly steady rate in many places; given that sea-klevel rise has been remarkably steady since about 1850 your graph, showing as it does very little human influence before 1940 shows that these cannot be related to the fossil carbon release graphed.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    Ok well, sell that to the 98% of climatologists that disagree with you. I`m gonna run with their findings over some random guy on the internet. If they agree with your findings I`m certain I`ll hear about it and I promise I won`t be to ashamed to apologize.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2012 at 5:22 am
    Madest

    97% of climatologists gave exactly the same answer to a survey as I would.

    You really are an idiot aren`t you? You quote a (wrong) statistic either knowing nothing about it or knowing about it perpetuating the dishonesty yourself, and you think I wouldn`t know?

    The questions in the survey asked if the temperatures had risen and if human influence had a significant effect on this. The answers are of course yes and "it depends on what you mean by `significant`, but probably yes".

    What they did not even ask about is the only point of disagreement between the True Believers in the Church of Global Catastrophe and the sceptics. That is feedback. As I said before.

    So either you knew all this and are dishonest, or you did not and you are too ill-informed to discuss the issue.

    Of course there has been a lot of dishonesty among those claiming CAGW. I mean a lot. No significant dishonesty at all has been shown on the sceptica
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2012 at 5:24 am
    ... sceptical side.

    Curious that, since the case is so strong for CAGW, eh?
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2012 at 5:28 am
    HiEV

    "Anthropogenic (man-caused) global warming is an established fact."

    Yes. Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, however, is a myth. It has no basis in empirical evidence. The hypothesis relies on feedback which was proved 15 years ago not to be happening. Since then we have been lied to about it, continuously and broadly by the people who have an interest in perpetuating the myth, people who gain money, influence or prestige through the myth.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2012 at 10:22 am
    I don`t mind unlimited amounts being spent on research. It shouldn`t be done by the government.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    Selective reasoning indeed.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2012 at 11:50 pm
    @Madest: Agreed. My favorite was how randomxnp claimed that your graph was irrelevant when he thought it disagreed with him, and then it was suddenly relevant again when he thought it agreed with him.

    If that isn`t selective reasoning, I don`t know what is.

    You can`t convince people of anything when they insist on making the facts fit their beliefs, rather than letting the facts lead them to an objective conclusion.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    June 12, 2012 at 12:01 am
    @randomxnp: You keep using the word "feedback", but I don`t think it means what you think it means. Or, at the very least, it`s not as important as you seem to think it is.

    Increased carbon emissions and other greenhouse gases increases the overall temperature of the Earth because they trap more heat in the atmosphere. You do not need any other "feedback" for that to be true.

    This rapidly (in geologic terms) increasing heat means changes in climate that many species cannot adapt to, more extreme weather changes, increased glacial melting, and rising sea levels. This may not be "catastrophic", but it is certainly problematic, and could be avoided by making some basic changes to how we go about doing some things. The earlier the better too.

    Since we do not know the full extent of the problems that further global warming will cause, reasonable caution is recommended, yes?
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    UDUMASS Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    "Increased carbon emissions and other greenhouse gases increases the overall temperature of the Earth because they trap more heat in the atmosphere. You do not need any other "feedback" for that to be true."

    Where`s your evidence for this? And, by the way, a guy in a white coat saying "Yes, it`s true" does not constitute evidence... If I were to put on a white coat and say "Everyone on IAB is a bunch of assho..." oh, wait... never mind...
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2012 at 7:29 am
    They quote scientific nonsense to support their rejection of peer supported science. Just like the cartoon depicts.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2012 at 6:44 pm
    @UDUMASS: By their very definition, greenhouse gases absorb and emit heat (infrared radiation) in the atmosphere. If you took a little effort, *you* could be the guy in a lab coat finding this out yourself.

    Just get two clear soda bottles, half filled with water, add some Alka-Seltzer to one bottle for the CO2, then seal them with a temperature probe in each, and expose them both to a heat lamp. You will note that the addition of the greenhouse gas allows the temperature to get hotter.

    This is a basic demonstration that scientifically demonstrates what I was saying.

    For a demonstration, see here: The Greenhouse Gas Demo

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