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Date: 06/19/12 09:00 AM

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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 19, 2012 at 9:20 am
    Link: Secret Trials In British Courts? - The British Government is trying to push through legislation that would lead to secret trials? Good or bad thing, I-A-B?
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    June 19, 2012 at 9:27 am
    bad thing, but it wont get through, unless the CONservatives decide to push it through underneath another bill, or just as summer recess starts so they can slip it in unawares.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 19, 2012 at 9:28 am
    I don`t think any of my current event politics submissions related to Canada have ever been posted. :-(

    This looks like a government wanting to keep its secrets in cases involving their intelligence agencies. I don`t know how I feel about it.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 19, 2012 at 9:34 am
    >>>bad thing, but it wont get through, unless the CONservatives decide to push it through<<<


    Labout tried to introduce a similar system when they were in power, so the idea at least appears to have cross-party support.
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    Apexs Male 30-39
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    June 19, 2012 at 9:35 am
    No clicky
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 19, 2012 at 9:37 am
    This looks like a government wanting to keep its secrets in cases involving their intelligence agencies. I don`t know how I feel about it.

    Perhaps the proposed legislation doesn`t go far enough? Maybe in addition to keeping evidence from the defendant, they shouldn`t even tell them they`re on trial? And if they get convicted, don`t give the game away by putting them in prison; just treat it as if they`re on licence with a high degree of freedom.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    June 19, 2012 at 9:38 am
    Actually, it only LOOKED like labour supported it. It was drawn up by a conservative sympathiser.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 19, 2012 at 9:41 am
    Actually, it only LOOKED like labour supported it. It was drawn up by a conservative sympathiser.

    No, Lord Falconer, the author of the original proposals, was a Labour Peer. If he was "sympathetic" to the Conservatives, he could easily be one if he wanted.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 19, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Bad idea. Whatever advantage is gained in the "war on terror" is lost in the long run. Once a freedom is given up it`s damn hard to get back. Once you start secret trials history shows the idea will expand beyond it`s initial purpose.

    Look at the US, what is laughably called the land of the free. Government reading emails, listening on phone conversations, putting tracking devices in everyones phone, holding citizens without trial or due-process.

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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    June 19, 2012 at 9:50 am
    Secret trails? Worked for the Nazis!
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 19, 2012 at 9:53 am
    Whatever else these proposals do, it certainly gives a new perspective on the old fallacy that "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear". If you have something that you legitimately need or wish to hide, which many of us do, there`s plenty to fear about being forced to be open.
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    Thonious Male 40-49
    987 posts
    June 19, 2012 at 11:33 am
    This is actually a step forward. Before this, instead of secret trials with a judge and an objective basis for a ruling, there were secret executive orders without trial.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7562 posts
    June 19, 2012 at 11:46 am
    Bad law, hope to god this does not get through, I fear it may. We are threatened with the bogeyman so often many people think we need this crap, which we do not- as always the potential for abuse is enormous.
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    boogarcym Male 40-49
    320 posts
    June 19, 2012 at 11:54 am
    @Gerry1of1: Agree 100%
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    June 19, 2012 at 11:05 pm
    Why bother with a trial if it`s going to be secret?

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