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Date: 06/03/12 05:05 PM

179 Responses to Question: If` We Evolved From Monkeys… [Pic]

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    Link: Question: If` We Evolved From Monkeys... - ...then why are there still monkeys?
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    Scott_2150 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:17 pm
    Two of those silhouettes looks like R2D2 and Spiderman...Interesteing...
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:17 pm
    oh oh... now do one about how we can`t see the wind but know it exists.
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    elhowell Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:17 pm
    cooliosis
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    Scott_2150 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    *Interesting...
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    cndman15 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:20 pm
    this should be posted in churches everywhere
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    I love this. Some of the cladogram pics are a little odd, but I love the explanation of this overall.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    When I read the intro I was like "Not the old `evolved from apes` BS."

    Then was pleasantly surprised. An accurate, well formulated, demonstration.

    IAB standards must be slipping.
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    marcus2 Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:22 pm
    Saying "If we evolved from monkeys then why are there still monkeys?" is like saying "If The Americas were colonised by the English, then why do the English still exist?"
    Good infographic, hopefully some people will learn from it.
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:25 pm
    I suppose an infographic such as this is still needed - but that`s sad.

    I will say that, while I don`t disagree with anything that`s stated in this, it`s a turn-off when a published work (not a comment on the internet) has a glaring spelling or grammatical error. Case in point: `beginn(g)ing`. Something like that just distracts from the rest of the work IMO.
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    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:26 pm
    Proof?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    And they {you know who} still cling to the superstitious notion that some magical guy did it all. The same magic guy that said the earth is flat {it`s not}, that a man can survive 3 days without air in digestive acids inside a whale {he can`t}, and the 1 man can build a boat big enough to hold 2 of every animal on the planet {not possible}.

    But creationism is real ..... riiiiiiiight.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:45 pm
    @MeGrendel - That`s exactly what I was thinking
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    Having read some posts from the likes of Crakr and others on here, not only is it not a surprise that there are still monkeys alive, but there appears to be pockets of the whole living continuum from Homo Hablis right the way up to Sapiens still kicking around.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    I was preparing an angry retort...but thankfully, this infographic was actually rather enlightened.
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    djlazar Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    Preachy athiest is preachy.
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    burbclaver Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:02 pm
    The interesting thing to me is that why did apes develop to be the most dominant. world changing, species the planet has ever known? Or did they? As we contain trillions of bacteria, maybe bacteria made us do it and they are masters of the Earth. The bottom line is just coz you can prove their`s no god doesn`t make you king of the jungle either.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:05 pm
    Even if we did evolve directly from monkeys that wouldn`t necessarily mean that monkeys ceased to exist because evolution doesn`t mean all the ancestors changed into the next creature up that ladder. In other words, that argument ("then why do monkeys still exist") demonstrates either insanely ignorant stupidity or a purposeful ignorance of the theory of evolution. My guess is that there are people in both of those camps.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:05 pm
    Preachy intelligent people are preachy and intelligent.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    MacGuffin: Reading from your posts, you`re still stuck down with the Bonobos. Go ahead atheists, make monkeys of yourselves.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    It isn`t as simple as the tree above either. It`s a slow adaptive drift of populations, with small mutations here and there and slow change mixed in with bursts of rapid change.

    "Preachy athiest is preachy."
    Ignorant believer is ignorant. Atheist is just trying to educate him.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:23 pm
    CrakrJak

    Please try to explain to me briefly why you need a God to have created everything for it to make sense to you. I don`t get it.
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    Langer Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:26 pm

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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:32 pm
    @crakrjak
    ha ha ha ha...oh, ha ha ha... I see what you did there.

    but seriously..... ha ha-ha-ha-ha-hmmmmmm.... no seriously... she`s not down with the Bonobos... they think she`s a troll too and disown her too.

    Crakr, I do honestly think that people that believe in god as told in the old testament, and new, must be - in UK terminology - short of a few marbles.... i.e. a bit thick or mentally challenged.

    I think I remember quite a good quote on this that illustrates it...although tbh if it was a very good quote then I`m *sure* I would have. Anyway it goes something like this - " George W Bush says that god speaks to him and told him to invade Iraq...all the believers cheer...However if Bush had told everyone that God spoke to him through a bright yellow telephone in his pocket, then people would have thought him nuts - how does the inclusion of a yellow telephone make it any less ridiculous?"
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    Evolution and Creationism are not mutually exclusive. Evolution does not say how life began, but what happens to life. We base our belief that life started from a single cell on the fossil record, and then use Evolution to explain how we got here.

    Even if God did create all the animals and all the species several thousand years ago, life has evolved since then.

    If you want to see Evolution in action, take a look at some not-no-natural selection--Animal Husbandry. When a farmer has a cow he wants to mate with a bull, he or she looks at the traits of the cow and the traits of the bull, and selectively breeds to animals together to strengthen a given trait or weaken another.

    Dog breeders will breed two dogs together to avoid a health problem, or select for a particular color.

    If you can see this happening, and accept that, then Evolution is just the next logical step. But instead of people decided what trait is good or bad, nature does it by making som
  26. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    *TWO*

    ...making some survive while others die.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    HG: Your false narrative that I need/use religion like a crutch is atheist propaganda bullsh|t.

    My belief in Christ is not a disability aid. I believe you`re the one walking around like a cripple, not knowing the love of God.

    Listypoos: Really? GWB never said anything like that and if he had most `believers` would`ve been skeptical of anyone saying that `God spoke to them` especially if it was claimed he told them to start a war.

    You`ve bought into the false narrative that Christians aren`t critical thinkers and can`t decide for themselves. It`s condescending atheist claptrap.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    MacGuffin, "there appears to be pockets of ... living ... Homo Hablis ... still kicking around"
    Who you callin` "Homo"!?
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    How. come crocodiles never evolved? Same as man, religion aside, we are still the same. Fish are fish, cows are cows, chickens are still good eating. We only evolved enough to find out that with fire , all of them are tasty.Especially with barbeque sauce that come from plants that have never changed. An apple is the same as it was for ever. Even if there is/was a god. That apple is still an apple, and stuffed in a pig it is still a pig and an apple. And we did not evolve from primates. They are still primates and we are still humans. And we eat (in some countries) primates. Thankfully , not in my country. At least I don`t.
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    cyborg Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    stupidest question but people still ask it to try and be clever or something...
  31. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    Hey Gerry, I`m not homophobic....I`ve never been scared of my own house.
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    Tobunshi Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    @Listypoos

    GOD DOESN`T USE TELEPHONES BECAUSE SATAN HAS HIS PHONE TAPPED, DUH
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    Listypoos: Really? GWB never said anything like that and if he had most `believers` would`ve been skeptical of anyone saying that `God spoke to them` especially if it was claimed he told them to start a war.

    LOL + facepalm XD
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    @crakr

    "Listypoos: Really? GWB never said anything like that"

    really? there`s quite a few witnesses that say he did.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    *WOOSH*

    That`s the sound of scientific fact going right over a fundamentalist`s head.

    To Christians that understand science: Please do something about the other Christians. It`s making you look bad.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    I am curious though Crakr, why would you find it impossible to believe that George W Bush, a committed Christian would say he`s had conversations with God.. and that God had told him to do something?

    Because it sounds so ridiculous, someone in power talking to someone they can`t see, or that God would tell someone to do something not so nice?

    because the bible can be quoated if you think it`s the latter....and if it`s the former, then welcome to the reasonable team.
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    Jowsh Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    @Talon Can you not read your post and see the fail? Still the same since when? As for Crocodiles, dude they`re like the oldest thing on the planet, you know why? because they are efficient as hell already, they eat just about anything
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:04 pm
    Hey Marcus, if we were colonised by the brits, then we would all have crooked teeth and speak some sort of slang english. Now we know what monkeys evolved into. The British.
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    Jowsh Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:04 pm
    Oh..I`ve just realised - Do you actually not agree with Darwinism?
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:08 pm
    "It`s condescending atheist claptrap."

    condescending... my that`s a big word for a believer.

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    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:09 pm
    Hey Jowsh. In our world people eat damn near anything that moves or grows. What`s your point? And do not bring religion into this.
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    Jowsh Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    I`m not bringing religion into this, I was asking if you agreed or disagreed with Darwin`s theory of evolution as your post was contradictory. Your alternative is whatever you like. If you would say you didn`t for example, fine.

    Ok, the point was, since you want it explaining, you say
    "How. come crocodiles never evolved? Same as man, religion aside, we are still the same."
    And you use the word "still" quite shortsightedly throughout - What does "still" mean to you? Here is an example:

    "Hey Janice, I just laid the hugest deuce, you have to see this! Oh would you look at that, humans are still the same"

    And yes, the point of the post was showing that we did not evolve FROM monkeys but from a common ancestor.
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    Tekinette Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    If only religion could evolve.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    I was disappointed that this graphic doesn`t address the question of squirrel evolution.

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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:37 pm
    really? there`s quite a few witnesses that say he did.

    Tbh, Listy, it would help if you actually got the right quote:

    "The president of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. If he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ridiculous or offensive."
    (from Letter To A Christian Nation, by Sam Harris.)


    GWB, whilst undoubtedly a twat of the highest order and warmonger to boot, has never to my knowledge claimed to have *received* instructions from God. Tony Blair has, but it turns out it was just GWB that he meant.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    What sorcery is this?
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    skine Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    The whole "if we evolved from monkeys" thing is a lot like me saying that I`m related to my cousin, and the person I tell this to replying "if your cousin is your mother, then why does she still exist?"

    There are two major flaws:

    1) "Related to" doesn`t necessarily mean "descended from."

    2) "Descended from" doesn`t necessarily mean "replaced."
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:44 pm
    @ MacGuff

    "Tbh, Listy, it would help if you actually got the right quote: "

    yeah, which is why I said in my post that it may not be the exact quote - as i was recalling it, rather than googling it as you have.
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:44 pm
    the initial question is awkward. i suppose the illustrator was referring to the assumption that "evolution" means "apes morphing into human beings".

    the question "why are there still monkeys" is of course still unanswered (and even more interesting since (s)he mentions natural selection).
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    skine Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    @Jowsh: I firmly believe that evolution and natural selection are factual, however, I don`t believe in Darwinism.

    Darwin was a smart guy, but he got a lot of things wrong. Thus it isn`t a good idea to believe in a man, but rather to believe the most accurate theory.

    For example, one wouldn`t call himself an Anti-Newtonist or and Einsteinist, but rather they would say that classical mechanics has flaws and that the theories of general and special relativity are more correct.
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:50 pm
    Jowsh. You just proved my point. A Turd is still a turd, no matter how much "you" need to show it off. Now what`s your point? Humans have really not changed, nor have primates. WE still have our wars and stand upright since history can remember. Show me some proof of your version of evolution. That show jacka$$ is a good example of some countries failure to evolve. Darwanism?
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:53 pm
    of course we should answer that questions while there still ARE monkeys. unfortunately we are so very skilled in making other living things disappear ...
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:56 pm
    "GWB, whilst undoubtedly a twat of the highest order and warmonger to boot, has never to my knowledge claimed to have *received* instructions from God. Tony Blair has, but it turns out it was just GWB that he meant."
    -----
    *chuckle* for this comment. implying that for tony, both rank on the same level?
  54. Profile photo of talon0325
    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 7:57 pm
    Hey MacGuffin, Homophobia has nothing to do with your house,a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly
    . Thought that at your age you would at least know how to look it up. And pedobear is not a bicycle riding bear at the circus
  55. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:00 pm
    which is why I said in my post that it may not be the exact quote - as i was recalling it, rather than googling it as you have.

    Maybe if you had "Googled it like I have", you`d have avoided making unsupportable claims that the original author was careful to avoid. The important thing when highlighting why someone else`s beliefs are foolish, is not to fall into the trap of making even more foolish and unsupportable claims yourself.

    The original author did not claim GWB believed he received communications *from* God, it was only observed that he talks *to* God. The only person that`s ever claimed GWB receives messages from God was Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath, and he was speaking to Bush via an interpreter at the time. It`s been claimed the interpreter didn`t pass on Bush`s comments accurately.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    Evolution and Creationism are not mutually exclusive.

    Creationism as believed by most creationists is mutually exclusive with evolution because it requires belief that life was created in at least something like its current forms.

    If you can see this happening, and accept that, then Evolution is just the next logical step.

    There`s the problem - you`re talking about people who have rejected logic. There is no point in using logic to counter theism.

    There is no step from selective breeding to evolution. As you said earlier in your post, selective breeding is evolution in action. It`s humans using evolution as a tool - evolution by human selection rather than evolution by natural selection, but still evolution.
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    "Hey MacGuffin, Homophobia has nothing to do with your house,a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly
    . Thought that at your age you would at least know how to look it up. And pedobear is not a bicycle riding bear at the circus"
    --------------------
    lol, smart comment apparently lost on less-than-smart poster.
  58. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:03 pm
    Hey MacGuffin, Homophobia has nothing to do with your house,a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly

    Thanks for that crucial update, Captain Obvious. Please pass on my gratitude to your side-kick, Oblivious-To-Sarcasm Man for me too.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    How. come crocodiles never evolved?

    They did.

    Crocodiles have evolved very little since reaching their current form because there`s very little evolutionary pressure on them. They are so well adapted to their environment that there`s hardly any scope for natural variations that would make some crocodiles more successful in breeding than other crocodiles.
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    @talon0325
    No people are still evolving. In fact there was this study that came out a few days ago about how American skulls are getting bigger.
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    Hey, thanks for an explanation of how evolution works. I was painfully ignorant.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    "Hey MacGuffin, Homophobia has nothing to do with your house,a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly"
    So, MacGuffin was right... homohabilis lives on
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:13 pm
    Crakr
    "GWB never said anything like that and if he had most `believers` would`ve been skeptical of anyone saying that `God spoke to them` especially if it was claimed he told them to start a war."

    http://tinyurl.com/ybzp3h9

    Will that stop you for a little while? Kinda hard to spin that one.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:13 pm
    Why do people even bother to argue on these posts?
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    "you`d have avoided making unsupportable claims that the original author was careful to avoid"

    unsupportable claims as in they didn`t record him saying it? the original people he alledgedly said it to that is... not the person who then quoted it that you then subsequently quoted from. The quote you supplied is someone responding the original quotes attributed to him...not someone he said them to.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    "Why do people even bother to argue on these posts?"

    because the beer has run out here, the shops are shut, and it`s too late to have a wank before I sneak into bed and pretend to my g/f i`ve been there all night, spooning her.
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:16 pm
    Hey MacGuffin, Is this not your statement,
    Female, 30-39, Europe
    895 Posts Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:54:00 PM
    Hey Gerry, I`m not homophobic....I`ve never been scared of my own house.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    Whatever, Listy, if you`ve actually got a link to a verifiable article backing up what you`ve claimed (that GWB himself claims he receives messages from God) then post it, otherwise it`s just you posting half-remembered, one-quarter-accurate garbage that makes you look just as stupid as Crakr, but for an entirely different reason.
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    jkfld Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    "My belief in Christ is not a disability aid. I believe you`re the one walking around like a cripple, not knowing the love of God."

    Of course you`re crippled, Crakrjak. You have an emotional attachment to ideas that aren`t true. When you use even one of those ideas in a conceptual model to explain how some aspect of the world works, your model will be flawed. When you act on your model, your behavior will be maladaptive, putting you at a disadvantage in the world. (For instance, your belief that our naturally evolved empathy is actually a magical force that proceeds from a supernatural being who doles it out based on obedience to him puts you at a disadvantage when it comes to understanding your own psychology and that of others.)

    A free thinker is not crippled because he or she has the option of using any and all facts--even the ones you find distasteful and wish to deny--in their conceptual models.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:21 pm
    Hey MacGuffin, Is this not your statement

    Yes, Captain O, it is my statement. And your point is?
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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:23 pm
    Thank you Angilion, also to add, crocodiles and Alligators are smaller and faster than they once were, also now they can adapt from salt to fresh water where once they were only salt water creatures. But hey, who is going to believe fossils and geography with a set ideology that snakes talk to naked chicks by fruit trees and the world is a flat disc where the sun and universe rotate around it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:24 pm
    OK. Christians, if you don`t believe in evolution why do humans have tail bones? Why do dolphins and snakes have hip bones?

    Just google "giraffe laryngeal nerve" and read a bit.

    Is that just god f.ucking with us?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    jkfld

    "A free thinker is not crippled because he or she has the option of using any and all facts--even the ones you find distasteful and wish to deny--in their conceptual models."

    THAT.
  74. Profile photo of talon0325
    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    @ Solvent. There is no arguement, most people just voice their opinion, Then we crap on everyone elses. That`s what the internet has become. Oh my, Listypoo was right, lets show off how big a turd we leave behind. We have finally evolved . Monkeys throw crap at each other, we do it over the internet. Damn evolution.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 8:28 pm
    "verifiable article backing up what you`ve claimed (that GWB himself claims he receives messages from God) then post it, otherwise it`s just you posting half-remembered, one-quarter-accurate garbage that makes you look just as stupid as Crakr, but for an entirely different reason."



    http://tinyurl.com/b5tkd

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOTk VhfMW
    cwl

    http://tinyurl.com/6s8hrox

    http://tinyurl.com/6e9ao4

    http://tinyurl.com/86dtp6n


    I could go on.. there`s hundreds of repuatable newspapers/sites that reported it at the time.... and yes, I know it`s their word against
  76. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    Damn evolution.

    Listy never said anything about hydro-electric power generation. You`re making that up.
  77. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    his... but enough newspapers quoted him saying it.

    you googled a quote i half_remembered and then seized upon it... forgeting i`d already said i only half-remembered it, and forgetting that it was aimed at Bush`s original statements.

    if you are going to use google and then act like an arse, at least don`t use it like a moron like you did.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6925 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    Crakr

    Like the 5 year old boy that was just found after being abducted and held for 5 days, repeatedly raped and then burnt alive? Was he feeling God`s love?

    See, to me, thinking there is a God that is all powerful and all knowing but allows that to happen would just depress me to no end. Thank God I don`t believe in God.
  79. Profile photo of LemonCurry
    LemonCurry Male 40-49
    1106 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    Surely talon`s posts are deliberate?

    Listypoos, nothing on Eurosports?
  80. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 8:34 pm
    @Listy: Your YouTube link doesn`t work, and all your other links are about exactly the story I referenced earlier, containing an apocryphal account of what Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath *thought* he heard, via an interpreter.
  81. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    "Your YouTube link doesn`t work,"

    is that the best you`ve got? there were other links.. .and the hundreds other ones that your google search failed to turn up.


    here`s a link to how to use google... does that work?

    http://tinyurl.com/73qhpzw
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 8:38 pm
    @lemoncurry...

    poo, i forgot about eurosport... ta.

    not as entertaining as eurotrash at this time of morning, but hey ho... beggars can`t be choosers.

    ta. :)
  83. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 8:45 pm
    @Listy: so far, all you`ve done is provide confirmation that what I said was true: i.e., that your allegation that GWB claimed God speaks to him all comes down to one story arising from one man on one occasion, who reported what Bush allegedly said to him via an interpreter, an allegation which the Whitehouse subsequently categorically denied. Hardly the "quite a few witnesses that say he did" that you claimed earlier, wouldn`t you say? No matter how many links you post to the exact same story of one man`s misinterpreted conversation.
  84. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    "@Listy: so far, all you`ve done is provide confirmation that what I said was true: i.e., that your allegation that GWB claimed God speaks to him all comes down to one story arising from one man on one occasion, who reported what Bush allegedly said to him via an interpreter"

    which means it`s false?

    but actually what you said first of all was that he`d never said it... which also can`t be proved, because it`s their word against his isn`t it? so how can you saw, as you did... that he never said it?

    as for `quite a few witnesses... well there was more than one person who claimed they were present when he said it... so yeah, that`s quite a few isn`t it?

    face it, you said he didn`t say it, you used google like a twat and jumped upon the first thing that backed up your claim.. ignoring the hundreds of newspaper articles that didn`t..

    never mind.... i`ll forget it if you if you make me a sandwich.

    but it`s got to be ham an
  85. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    nd mustard.

    only ham and mustard....

    and only english mustard...none of that french crap.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2012 at 9:11 pm
    As long as you don`t leave out the fact that they still haven`t found that common ancestor or the fact a few percent of a couple billion is a lot of differences. Otherwise it sounds quite logical.
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    Listy , Do you have any Grey poopon?
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    I would probably just ignore CrakrJak and any other creationist simply because of a few things:

    1) Plenty of christians accept evolution and accept science
    2) Creationists like CrakrJak won`t listen to scientific evidence or in fact anything that is going to shake their world view. They don`t want to consider the possibility that they might be wrong. As such, they continually have no real scientific arguments against evolution - and the only arguments they have are cut and pasted points that have been refuted a thousand times.

    For quite a long time, I haven`t heard a single creationist that was either intellectually honest or provide an argument that I hadn`t already heard before.

    I`m not a christian now, but when I was I still had no problem with evolution.
  89. Profile photo of talon0325
    talon0325 Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    Maybe those damn monkey`s changed the damn formula for yellow mustard, or maybe it`s mus turd
  90. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    No thanks... but I appreciate the offer, Talon.

    You can`t beat Colmans.
  91. Profile photo of krimsonclove
    krimsonclove Male 18-29
    41 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    there is an easier way to understand this:
    If you came from your parents, why they are still here?
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    Thetas Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    When clicking this link I was prepared to say what the post says. Sneaky mods using tricky titles.
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
    382 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    the gods Brit : the highest and cheapest seats in a theater
    ▪ The people in the gods can be the hardest to please.
    Maybe. I will also wait for my ham and cheese sammy with yellow mustard and mayo. Have a good day. It`s getting late here and early in the am for you. Enjoyed the banter. G`night
  94. Profile photo of Stonardsftw
    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
    321 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    All you have to do is look at the different "races" to see that Evolution is a viable and sound theory. Each race has adapted to different areas. You know what that is? That`s evolution.
  95. Profile photo of LemonCurry
    LemonCurry Male 40-49
    1106 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 9:41 pm
    "As long as you don`t leave out the fact that they still haven`t found that common ancestor or the fact a few percent of a couple billion is a lot of differences. Otherwise it sounds quite logical."
    -------------
    hm, the dna difference between different human beings is about 0.1%, which translates to about 3 million dna base pairs, that also sounds like a lot, but few of us seem to have a problem seeing the connection.

    a 75-80% dna similarity with lesser monkeys seems low to me. i remember reading somewhere that we share 30 some % of the same dna with algae.

    as for the common ancestor, we wouldn`t need to dig up your great-great-grandfather in order to prove that you and emily peapot from around the corner are related, would we?
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm
    There is some truth to this..at least until Republicans can walk upright.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2012 at 9:56 pm
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    Crakrjak: "You`ve bought into the false narrative that Christians aren`t critical thinkers and can`t decide for themselves. It`s condescending atheist claptrap."

    Any of us that have debated same-sex marriage with you would tend to disagree.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 10:27 pm
    "There is some truth to this..at least until Republicans can walk upright."

    I agree with this chart doucheface lol.

    Well, I guess I don`t consider myself Republican per se. Maybe strongly conservative.
  100. Profile photo of jamie76
    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 10:32 pm
    CrakrJak

    your inability to understand and know that evolution is correct proves that you do not have critical thinking skills in the least. Aside from that, your many post here already showed us that long ago.

    the concept of God and evolution can co-exist...unless off course you believe that translating everything in the bible was translated from a dead language correctly and you believe that there is no metaphorical sense to the bible at all...which of course again, proves the lack of critical thinking skills.
  101. Profile photo of intrigid
    intrigid Male 18-29
    914 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 11:16 pm
    "If only religion could evolve."

    Remember that an important part of evolution is extinction. Think of religion like the "white dots".
  102. Profile photo of Subushie
    Subushie Male 18-29
    1646 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 11:24 pm
    The idiot knows
    The wise question.

    To completely believe creationism or evolution is foolish, because neither are proven.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7619 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 11:28 pm
    Still amazes me, a vast nation has nearly half its population believing God made us as we are not long ago. Those same people accept a lot of other modern science without batting an eyelid. There is something going on here- something odd and yet it deteriorates into a lib/dem or religious.atheist row every time. It cannot be either- if you are a believer then you can also accept evo;ution- easily, thousands upon thousands of people all over the world do just that. It cannot be a left vs right thing because, again, this data does not apply anywhere else. So WHY?? If we could honestly find out what the issue is here I am sure we could fix it- and accepting evolution affects the way we all live.
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    leesah Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 11:42 pm
    I am legitimately sorry I missed out on this thread. :[
  105. Profile photo of tatripp
    tatripp Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2012 at 11:43 pm
    Atheists need to understand that Christianity has evolved. Evolution doesn`t necessarily made better either. There are thousands of Christian churches each with different beliefs. To group all Christians into one group is the same thing that many creationists to do the same thing as the theory of evolution when they argue that humans didn`t evolve from monkeys.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    823 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 11:54 pm
    tatripp,

    Sure, Christianity has evolved. It had to in order not to look ridiculous next to scientific discoveries.
  107. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 3, 2012 at 11:54 pm
    @AJ: Lol..sorry...couldn`t resist. Going back under the troll-bridge now...
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
    1811 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 12:00 am
    Anyone ele notice the Reddit Alien in the pic`s background ??

    Haha fail !!
  109. Profile photo of Revolutioniz
    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
    911 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 12:19 am
    The only way i could look past "tatripp`s" terrible grammar, and overall ability to form a coherent sentence. Was to read it with a really strong white trash redneck voice. It was pretty fun though lol.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 1:34 am
    This isn`t anything new.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 1:46 am
    HG: From your own link, "White House press secretary Scott McClellan denied the report at his press briefing Thursday. "No, that`s absurd. He`s never made such comments,"

    Now just how did I know that you`d use some absurd hearsay from a dubious source?

    Even Macguffin thinks your source is bullsh|t.
    Other newspapers repeating that same bullsh|t doesn`t help.

    Also you`re willing to blame all the world`s evil on God, but don`t believe in God?

    Sin came into the world because of man, not God.
    Mankind creates all the sin and suffering in the world, we aren`t robots, God gave us freewill. But you expect God to prevent us all from sinning? If he did we`d be nothing but mindless automatons.
  112. Profile photo of talon0325
    talon0325 Male 40-49
    382 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 1:46 am
    Gotta ask. When did any religious beliefs become part of evolution? Christianity has caused more wars than any other, and continues to show it`s ugly face. Science has brainwashed us in to believing whatever they say is correct. Politics and religion control the masses, 2 world wars and numerous other wars have proven that, Have we evolved past what we were 2000 yrs ago? The debate continues. No life on the moon, lets spend more money looking at other planets that science says CANNOT support life. No religion involed in either one. Wanna discuss evolution? Which one of the brain dea "monkeys" decided to look out there?
    Animals look for new feeding grounds based on what they can and have available, but they also stop procreating when they know that the area will no longer support them. No science or religion involved, Do they evolve? no , they adapt, unlike humans who procreate in the hopes that some will survive, Maybe the animals know more than we do,
  113. Profile photo of tedgp
    tedgp Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 1:51 am
    beginnginng?
  114. Profile photo of talon0325
    talon0325 Male 40-49
    382 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 2:01 am
    Hey Cracker.. Man did not create sin. Some religion did. And who started a religion and decided to divide the masses in the first place? Politics and people that wanted to rule everything. Nothing to do with evolution. If we really evolved, we would all be one big happy society. Leesah, Read back, you are not missing anything, This is religion and politics. Somewere in here is reality. We are born, our life is hell, then we die. If anyone whant`s to discuss 12 21 12 contact me off the forum.
  115. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 2:11 am
    jtrebowski and jamie: I`ve logically and critically argued with both of you on every issue. Just because I disagree with you doesn`t prove I lack critical thought.

    Apparently you both lack tolerance for any world view but your own and that`s called hubris.

    The fact is that you both suffer from a superiority complex that rivals any SNL episode with the `Church Lady`. You both claim that religion is cruel and unjust, yet you both treat believers like heretics and blasphemers.
  116. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 2:23 am
    Talon: Christianity has caused more wars than any other..

    Bullsh|t. Mankind causes wars, not Christ. Christ commands us to love our neighbors as ourselves. Atheistic regimes have killed tens of millions of people and still enslave people from religious belief.

    Your belief in a socialist utopia has been tried and failed, they are far from `happy societies`.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 4, 2012 at 2:34 am

    I`m really enjoying this.
    YOU GET`EM CRAKRJAK!!!


  118. Profile photo of Zieveraar
    Zieveraar Male 30-39
    415 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 2:43 am
    Religion does tend to be unjust, cruel and quite women unfriendly, to say the least. It has been used.to start a bunch of wars and slaughters. But then it is manmade, so quite cruel and often pointless.
  119. Profile photo of ggolbez
    ggolbez Male 18-29
    1933 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 3:06 am
    @CrakrJak
    "Apparently you both lack tolerance for any world view but your own and that`s called hubris."
    "Atheist regimes have killed tens of millions of people..."
    "Your belief in a socialist utopia has been tried and failed"

    Who is the person who is guilty of hubris here, again?

    In terms of your arguments about `atheistic regimes`, I direct you to the Oatmeal:

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/atheism
  120. Profile photo of marcus2
    marcus2 Male 13-17
    677 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 3:57 am
    @Gerry1of1
    Haha!
    Do you have a GIF for every occasion?
  121. Profile photo of marcus2
    marcus2 Male 13-17
    677 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 4:08 am
    @CrakrJak
    Take quick break from cherry-picking from the bible, and read `The God Dellusion` by Richard Dawkins.
  122. Profile photo of LemonCurry
    LemonCurry Male 40-49
    1106 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 4:59 am
    "Science has brainwashed us in to believing whatever they say is correct."
    ------
    finally, we`re getting to the heart of the matter, it`s "them"!

    what a lot of hogwash in the post. do you really understand what "science" is?
  123. Profile photo of LemonCurry
    LemonCurry Male 40-49
    1106 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 5:01 am
    "To completely believe creationism or evolution is foolish, because neither are proven."
    -----------------
    we really should be more careful. let me direct your attention to another, sadly neglected, problem:

    "Warning: Gravity is only a theory"

  124. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 5:05 am
    but actually what you said first of all was that he`d never said it... which also can`t be proved, because it`s their word against his isn`t it? so how can you saw, as you did... that he never said it?

    Actually, what I said was that Bush "has never to my knowledge claimed to have *received* instructions from God". I can make that statement because the Whitehouse is on record as having categorically denied that he had said that.

    ...
  125. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 5:06 am
    The burden of proof isn`t on someone that denies something to provide `proof` that it`s not true: you can`t `prove` a negative. The onus is on the person that asserts a thing to be true to prove that it is true. You haven`t proven that your wild allegation that Bush claims God speaks to him and tells him to invade other countries is true – you`ve merely provided multiple newspaper reports, of one man with an agenda, and who only spoke to Bush via an interpreter. The fact is, no newspaper could even get the interpreter himself to go on record to verify that was what he actually translated.
  126. Profile photo of marcus2
    marcus2 Male 13-17
    677 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 5:08 am
    "Science has brainwashed us in to believing whatever they say is correct."

    "Science adjusts its views based on what`s observed. Religion is the denial of observation, so that faith can be preserved." - Tim Minchin
  127. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 5:11 am
    as for `quite a few witnesses... well there was more than one person who claimed they were present when he said it... so yeah, that`s quite a few isn`t it?

    No, there wasn`t "more than one person that claimed to be present" when Bush allegedly asserted that God speaks to him, in any of the versions of the story that you posted. They all quoted precisely one person: Nabil Shaath, the Palestinian Foreign minister that made the rash allegation in the first place. Even the interpreter that allegedly translated the words hasn`t gone on record to back Shaath`s version of events.

    You`re really not very good at this `backing up your arguments with verifiable evidence` stuff, are you?
  128. Profile photo of PorkSoda
    PorkSoda Female 18-29
    40 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 5:22 am
    Awww.. You guys are so cute arguing about this on I AM BORED!! Jesus give it a rest already with your "this is a repost" and "this is lame" emo crap and just relax. I`ve never seen such a sight where everyone is constantly on their periods.. Oh yeah.. The View board..
  129. Profile photo of LemonCurry
    LemonCurry Male 40-49
    1106 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 5:55 am
    PorkSoda,

    Listy already summed it up: you gotta do something when you`re bored!
  130. Profile photo of monsterzero
    monsterzero Male 40-49
    356 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:05 am
    "However,the second cell(grey)came out different in some way.It had a mutation."
    This is where the common ancestor theory is flawed. It can`t be explained so, somehow, Someway, There was a mutation.
    Adaptation is a fact, but I don`t believe there`s a missing link.I tend to agree with the "All species evolved and adapted separately" theory.
  131. Profile photo of bluntman1138
    bluntman1138 Male 30-39
    28 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:07 am
    LOL... CrackrJak really "cracks" me up. It appears he is such a believer in the Christian God, yet it seems he has NEVER read the Bible.

    Just read it... See how many wars "God created."

    And the notion of an All present, all powerful super being, that controls every aspect of Life on Earth....is the very definition of NOT having "free will".
  132. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:08 am
    not knowing the love of God

    I`d believe he had love if he didn`t have such epic wraths.
  133. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:14 am
    you gotta do something when you`re bored!

    @PorkSoda: ^^^ What he said. whatever else this thread is, it`s at least been entertaining on a number of levels, and has proven that there are stupid people on both sides of the debate.
  134. Profile photo of monsterzero
    monsterzero Male 40-49
    356 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:15 am
    "Christianity has caused more wars than any other.."

    This quote never fails to make me laugh, it implies that;
    Christians assassinated Franz Ferdinand
    Christians invaded Poland
    Alexander, Caesar, Xerxes, and Attila were Christian
    Pol Pot and all the countless communist dictators throughout history were Christian
    But I suppose this is the internet so every "fact" about certain groups must be true.

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    phil7243 Male 18-29
    143 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:16 am
    It seems like most people saw this post and thought: Religious Debate!

    This is what I thought of

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    ilurk Female 18-29
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    June 4, 2012 at 6:18 am
    I remember being in 5th grade and having to explain this to my fellow students who always asked this. Even my parents. Just last week I had to explain it to my fiance.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
    2377 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:20 am
    Even a simplified explanation of evolution is too complicated for deeply religious people, because deeply religious people are effing STUPID.
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
    1106 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:25 am
    "Even a simplified explanation of evolution is too complicated for deeply religious people, because deeply religious people are effing STUPID."
    -------------
    yeehaa, the debate is reaching new heights!

    I`ll tell you what`s stupid ...
  139. Profile photo of xoterra
    xoterra Female 18-29
    88 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:35 am
    "This is where the common ancestor theory is flawed. It can`t be explained so, somehow, Someway, There was a mutation."

    There is mutation every time DNA is replicated (I think every 10^7 nucleotide is mismatched), but it depends on what is incorrect to determine whether the mismatch affects the organism.

    This occurs independently of the adaptation. The mutation becomes handy when it is advantageous to the organism, thus promoting its survival. The common ancestry theory relies on when the difference between the original organism and the mutated organism becomes lethal. In the beginning, there was a lot less available for food so if you had a disadvantage, in layman`s terms, you were screwed. That`s what the common ancestor theory relies on, not just that random mutations occur. It`s the mutations AND a change in environment that affect adaptation.
  140. Profile photo of intrigid
    intrigid Male 18-29
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    June 4, 2012 at 6:36 am
    "The only way i could look past "tatripp`s" terrible grammar, and overall ability to form a coherent sentence. Was to read it with a really strong white trash redneck voice. It was pretty fun though lol."

    Jesus Christ. Do you realize that you just failed to form 2 out of 3 of your sentences?
  141. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36875 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 6:57 am

    "To completely believe creationism or evolution is foolish, because neither are proven."
    There`s another child left behind.
  142. Profile photo of marcus2
    marcus2 Male 13-17
    677 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 7:18 am
    "Implies that...Christians invaded Poland"
    Well, Hitler was a Christian...
  143. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    June 4, 2012 at 7:26 am
    Who did God evolve from?
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    June 4, 2012 at 7:28 am
    IAB: Where people argue :)
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    ultimakewl Male 18-29
    833 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 7:37 am
    i hate when people use that argument because it clearly shows a deep misunderstanding of evolution.
    just like when they say `it hasnt/cant be proven, its just a theory`
    do you know what the difference between a law and a theory is?
    a law is a plainly observable fact
    `the car is blue`
    a theory is an explanation for said fact
    `the owner had it painted blue because its their favorite color`
    even if the owner comes out and tells you this and provides a receipt for the paint job its still just a theory
    because you cannot observe past actions

    and there is more evidence to support evolution than any other theory so if you dont believe in evolution then you shouldnt believe in gravity, relativity, etc etc because there is less evidence for them than evolution
  146. Profile photo of slut_etta
    slut_etta Female 50-59
    3888 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 7:47 am
    okay, some of us are atheists and some of us believe in a god, which differs according to particular individual belief systems.

    neither is going to convince the other of the validity of their beliefs. so let`s just give it all a rest.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 7:50 am
    "Christians invaded Poland"

    Be careful. Hitler wanted to bring Christianity to the world. He was very religious, and believed everyone but Christians should be killed.

    Remember that thing called the Holocaust?

    Not that "Christianity", or his warped view of it, was the only motivation, but it was there.
  148. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6925 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 8:27 am
    Crakr:

    "I`ve logically and critically argued with both of you on every issue"

    Is that a joke? Answer to everything: "God did it." Why? "Bible says so." Why is that true? "Because I believe it is." That is all you sound like and no part of that is logical or critical.

    I don`t believe in God. But if there was tons of evidence to support God I would look at it, evaluate it, and possibly change my opinions. That is critical thought. You are so tied into your belief structure nothing can shake it. Aliens could land on this planet with video of us evolving and you`d probably say they were messengers from satan just trying to trick us like fossils.
  149. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 8:33 am
    MacGuffin

    Have you actually read the articles? You keep saying it was just one person. It wasn`t. Bush has also publicly says he prays about things. So clearly he thinks he can ask God for advice. And of course the White House would deny it after the fact whether it was true or not, because it makes him sound crazy.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 8:34 am
    Crakr:

    You still haven`t answered my question. If you don`t believe in evolution, why do we have tail bones? WHy do dolphins and snakes have hip bones?
  151. Profile photo of Student_Law
    Student_Law Male 30-39
    1010 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 8:37 am
    Even if you boil it down to a four letter word with only one syllable, yet a word powerful enough to comprehend evolution in its whole - fanatics will only reply with blind belief.

    The reason for this is that "belief" as a concept requires that one refuses to acknowledge facts, because facts are philosophically inferior to belief. The very criteria to become a true believer is the ability to ignore facts, and the Bible as well as the Qur`an clearly warns all their disciples that whatever critics their faiths are exposed to, whatever fact they are presented, they must blindly ignore it, because, remember: God is always "testing" you. When you begin to doubt, hold on to your faith, for all eternity. When you doubt, you are standing at the gates of hell. Do not question God!! That`s extremism, in it`s true form. Belief above fact, fantasy over reality. A person who is not willing to accept this, is simply not a believer.
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    Beardofzeus Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 8:43 am
    The daily religious IAB troll has claimed its usual victims and arguments.
  153. Profile photo of monsterzero
    monsterzero Male 40-49
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    June 4, 2012 at 8:55 am
    Well, Hitler was a Christian...

    No...
    Hitler was an occultist who collected religious artifacts.

    Be careful. Hitler wanted to bring Christianity to the world. He was very religious, and believed everyone but Christians should be killed.

    I...
    Ummm...
    I`m Totally at a loss for words at the inaccuracy of this statement.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 9:09 am
    "Today they say that Christianity is in danger, that the Catholic faith is threatened. My reply to them is: for the time being, Christians and not international atheists are now standing at Germany’s fore. I am not merely talking about Christianity; I confess that I will never ally myself with the parties which aim to destroy Christianity. Fourteen years they have gone arm in arm with atheism. At no time was greater damage ever done to Christianity than in those years when the Christian parties ruled side by side with those who denied the very existence of God. Germany`s entire cultural life was shattered and contaminated in this period. It shall be our task to burn out these manifestations of degeneracy in literature, theater, schools, and the press—that is, in our entire culture—and to eliminate the poison which has been permeating every facet of our lives for these past fourteen years." -- Adolf Hitler
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    June 4, 2012 at 10:11 am
    The entire "Hitler was an Occultist" was devised by Christians trying to remover him from their associations. It`s a lie. There is no evidence that Hitler was any more than passingly interested in the Occult, but there are MOUNTAINS of evidence that he was a practicing Christian and Biblical theocrat.

    Remember, one book that was NEVER on any of the Nazi banned book lists: The Bible.
  156. Profile photo of Student_Law
    Student_Law Male 30-39
    1010 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 10:11 am
    Hitler was clearly a Christian, and a perfect example of one as well. The Jews killed Jesus, Hitler killed the Jews.

    Hitler was also a Socialist. Yes, he was. Because the NSDAP party was called "National- Socialist..." party. Just like North- Korea and Congo are democracies, because they are called "Democratic Republic of..." something.

    Also, Hitler was planted by the Rockefeller family and inserted to Germany so that he could help the "New World Order" to gain power in Europe. Hitler was also a Muslim, and part of the same false- flag operation type that was conducted on 9-11.

    Finally, Hitler was predicted by Nostradamus, probably because Nostradamus had been in contact with aliens, and the Mayans, who made a calender (just to fu*k with us) and they knew the future.
  157. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 10:11 am
    @auburn

    So?

    Science is also agnostic and cannot invoke a god. So by your definition it aligns with Hitler? What is your logic?

    You might as well give up scientific progress if you don`t like that fact.

    There are also very good and very moral people who don`t believe in god either - so it seems to me that morality is determined by more than the god you do or don`t believe in.
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    June 4, 2012 at 10:12 am
    @Student Law
    I`m not sure if you`re smoking something potent or just trolling.
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    June 4, 2012 at 10:13 am
    Oh, and "On The Origin of Species" WAS on the banned book lists (along with ALL of Darwin`s writings). Hitler thought evolutionary theory was false and destructive to the German people.
  160. Profile photo of Student_Law
    Student_Law Male 30-39
    1010 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 10:27 am
    @ mesovortex: now you are just avoiding the question...
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    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 10:48 am
    @Student Law

    I was with you until the New Order/Aliens/Nostradamus BS. That`s when you went off the deep end.

    Also, you asked no question so why should I answer one?
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 10:53 am
    @CrakrJak
    MacGuffin: Reading from your posts, you`re still stuck down with the Bonobos. Go ahead atheists, make monkeys of yourselves.

    Go ahead theist... make a nazi of yourself. are you seriously implying someone who believes in evolution is somehow less human or less intelligent than a theist? i love how you want to claim to be christian but refuse to love as jesus preached. the only thing christian about you is your belief (typical). not to mention, why do you still not believe the world is flat? why do you still not believe that the sun/planets revolve around the earth. i`ll tell you why, because your faith does not require you to, so THAT science is believable. but when science contradicts your unproven ghost stories you freak out, call names and insult. must be nice to pick and choose what facts to believe. go back to the dark ages where people like you belong.
  163. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 11:09 am
    >>>Have you actually read the articles? You keep saying it was just one person. It wasn`t. <<<


    Yes, I`ve read them. This one, for example, contains the quote :

    "The BBC reported that the White House had dismissed the allegations as "absurd". "He`s never made such comments," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. "

    Another one states that the Palestinian Authority refused to confirm their own Foreign Minister`s understanding of the translation.

    If you believe that anyone else backs up Nabil Shaath`s version of events, then go ahead and prove me wrong: name them.

    ...
  164. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 11:09 am
    I`m not a GWB fan by any means, but I think that any criticism of him has to at least have come from something he`s confirmed to have said. One person with a self-serving agenda making claims about what they thought Bush said through a translator (and with no-one else backing up that one person`s version of events) doesn`t cut it.
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
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    June 4, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    Hitler/the Nazis killed more Christians than Jews. They persecuted Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox equally, along with attempting to completely eliminate both the Jews and the Gypsies.

    Hitler wasnt a christian. He was a tyrant, and his only religion was power.....
  166. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    All these poses and no one has come up with scientific refutations of evolution.

    Funny that.
  167. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    MacGuffin

    "If you believe that anyone else backs up Nabil Shaath`s version of events, then go ahead and prove me wrong: name them."

    http://tinyurl.com/ybzp3h9

    "President Bush told TWO high-ranking Palestinian officials that he had been told by God to invade Afghanistan and Iraq"

    "MAHMOUD ABBAS, then Palestinian prime minister and now the Palestinian Authority president, WAS ALSO PRESENT for the conversation with Bush."

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    mackin Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2012 at 1:40 pm
    This would have been awesome, if it spelled "Beginning" correctly.
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    snowshovel Male 18-29
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    June 4, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    This is all correct, but it misses a more fundamental point that invalidates the original Question. There is no reason why a species and one of its its direct ancestors cannot coexist on Earth. The ancestral species could have been separated into two or more isolated populations, and due to differences in local conditions one population may have evolved while the other(s) did not.
  170. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 3:26 pm
    >>>

    http://tinyurl.com/ybzp3h9

    "President Bush told TWO high-ranking Palestinian officials that he had been told by God to invade Afghanistan and Iraq"

    <<<


    Thanks for the link, HolyGod. Here`s another enlightening snippet from the very same article that you strangely forgot to include:

    "But Shaath said the Palestinians at the meeting did not think the president was suggesting that God actually spoke to him. "I think it`s a manner of speech," Shaath said. "I don`t think he meant an actual call from God. He was talking about a commitment. The man wasn`t saying there was an angel hovering over his head talking to him."
  171. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6925 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    MacGuffin

    I feel like we are arguing semantics and splitting hairs just like you did with the other guy. I have no interest in getting drawn into it. Think whichever way you wish it makes no difference to me. You said it was only one guy, and asked me to prove you wrong. So I did. You didn`t ask nor did we discuss what those guys may or may not have inferred from what he said.
  172. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    June 4, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    The idiot knows
    The wise question.

    To completely believe creationism or evolution is foolish, because neither are proven.

    Pretentious bollocks.

    Evolution is as proven as, for example, gravity. Do you consider it wise to question the existence of gravity?

    The theory of evolution isn`t proven, but (i) that`s a completely different thing and (ii) strictly speaking, no scientific theory is ever proven regardless of how overwhelming the evidence for it is.

    Acknowledging that an explanation of how something works isn`t absolutely proven does not mean that the existence of that something isn`t proven.

    The same is true of gravity - the theory explaining how it works isn`t proven. In fact, the theory is less well supported than the theory of evolution. Gravity is a result of mass and there currently isn`t any experimental evidence of what causes mass.

    The same is also true for pretty much everything. Ligh
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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    June 4, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    "I feel like we are arguing semantics and splitting hairs"
    ---------------
    tough job, but can be done.

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    LemonCurry Male 40-49
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    June 4, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    hm, old thread is old ...
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    June 5, 2012 at 4:44 pm
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    June 5, 2012 at 10:16 pm
    Why are there still monkeys? Simple. Poop won`t fling itself.
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