Paid Maternity Leave [Pic]

Submitted by: Crabes 4 years ago

Where is the best place for new mothers?
There are 80 comments:
Male 190
First off the government doesn`t pay for all of it.... It is usually a 60/40 split between the employer and the government.

Second they do it to prompt a health society. When a family is poor and needs two incomes how can they raise a child... properly. Improperly raise children lead to more crime, higher divorce rates, more poverty, higher rates of depression, more obesity, and less education.

So yes.. more paid maternity leave works well. That`s why all those countries with the longest maternity leaves have constantly been ranked by the UN as being the best places to live.
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Male 180
Hilarious how Americans are constantly trying to support their pooty lifestyles.
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Male 546
... and why should any government pay for time off for having a child?
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Male 7,633
Crabes-" shes creating a new TAXPAYER"

Or a new Welfare Recipient.

Crabes-"baby is not really a personal decision"

It`s not? I must have missed the law that was passed that the Government would instruct you to generate a new `taxpayer`.

nubblins-"What`s so wrong with using tax dollars to INVEST in our future (aka children)??"

Having a child is a PERSONAL choice.

HolyGod-"Actually, It takes from everyone to give to everyone."

Damn, are you out of the loop. 47% of Americans pay no income taxes. Thus the other 53% are paying for the services for 47% who are not.
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Male 7
If no payed maternity leave discourages even a few women from having babies, the US has done the world a huge favor.
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Male 1,421
Finland: 4 months of 70% pay for women (30 days before calculated time it is mandatory), 3 weeks for fathers. After that it`s 6 months of 70% for women and fathers get one month paid vacation if the couple decides to shorten this second phase by 12 days. So father can take leave days in the first months to either spend time with the kid or take care of both mother and the child. Then it`s another month for them to spend even more time with the kid, get a good chance of bonding with the newborn.

For those who haven`t got a job the amount given for each day is ~23€.. Anyone who has raised a child knows that it ain`t much so there is practically none who make babies just to rob the society... The kids get about a 100€/month too that`s given to parents and straight to the kid when he is 15.. So kids get their allowances from the goverment too. And somehow Finland doesn`t have any problems of maintaining this...
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Male 164
and Australia has 18 week paid _parental_ leave - ie. not just mums, but dads are eligible
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Male 5
Sweden has 68 weeks and is not on the chart? Must have been a Canadian making it.
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Male 12,365
[quote]junk science boondoggles like wind, solar, ethanol, and geothermal[/quote]

That`s so special that I had to quote it.

And yes, I do mean `special` as in `special needs`.


It`s a shame, because you`re ruining a valid point by associated such drivel with it. Money is being wasted on propping up unviable technologies for political reasons. For example, the previous UK government committed every following government for the next 25 years to throwing money at PV solar power. It`s nowhere near viable in the UK. Nearer the equator, sure, but not up here. So the scheme is just free money for people rich enough to have £10K spare to invest with a guaranteed high rate of return.

Wave and tidal would work very well here (huge coastline, energetic seas), but you can`t buy as many votes with that because it`s not trendy.

The science isn`t junk. The politics is junk.
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Male 3,631
"Actually, It takes from everyone to give to everyone."*

* Source needed.
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Male 8,019
"You DO realize that the Government doesn`t actually PAY for anything, right? It takes from some to give to others."

Actually, It takes from everyone to give to everyone.

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Male 3,631
In the heyday of the good old American single income-earner household, this wasn`t even required! Ironic when "thinking progress" as the publisher suggests ends up requiring more progress to keep its consequences from precipitating a regress.
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Male 8,019
OldOllie

"BTW, did you know that the Wall St. bankers give MUCH more $ to Democrats than they do to Republicans?"

*Source Needed
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Female 1,743
@MeGrendel

See my previous comment about creating healthy and happy citizens.
What`s so wrong with using tax dollars to INVEST in our future (aka children)??
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Male 676
I think it`s sad. And the U.S. has the nerve to call other countries third-world and barbaric? We usually have less vacation time than other countries too. How many times have we all worked 60+ hours a week?
Mothers should have at least the 16 weeks.
Who`s really behind the times on this?
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Male 15,832
[quote]And yet, those Wall St. bankers aren`t in prison. Shame, isn`t it?[/quote]
I wouldn`t mind throwing some of them in prison, but first, I`d like to jail the elected officials who get $millions in campaign cash (bribes) from those bankers in return for $billions in bailout money. BTW, did you know that the Wall St. bankers give MUCH more $ to Democrats than they do to Republicans?

Next, let`s go after the so-called "green energy" industry who are doing the exact same thing. The give $millions to Democrats and get back $billions in taxpayer money which they are pissing away on junk science boondoggles like wind, solar, ethanol, and geothermal, and then going tits up (after having paid themselves $millions in salaries and bonuses and paying back the politicians out of our money, of course).
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Male 1,284
@MeGrendel when a mother decide too have a baby shes creating a new TAXPAYER, 1 person will pay at least 10k per years (canadian dollars) for at least 40 years, at make 400k money (at least) during is life,this baby mother will get at most 48K for a full maternity years, so i dont see what the big deal, having baby is not really a personal decision, all american people was a baby even you, you know
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Male 700
You forgot Australia. We have 18 weeks paid maternity leave...
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Male 7,633
CaptKangaroo-"and on the gripping hand"

While I dissagree with some of what you stated, EXCELLENT Niven refrerence.

nubblins-"By her work, not by the government."

You DO realize that the Government doesn`t actually PAY for anything, right? It takes from some to give to others.

Why should taxpayers pay for the personal decision of an individual?
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Male 3,364
Anyone notice that almost all that responded, especially those against paid maternity leave, are guys? Interesting.
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Male 612
something like this should entirely depend on the employer, not the government. this comparison "chart" is pointless, and i`d rather not pay for someone else to take care of their child.
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Male 646
Here are some other interesting facts: most of these nations are relatively wealthy and most of them have a far lower debt-to-GDP ratio than the US.
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Male 3,482
America and it`s "work harder" indoctrination...

Figures. The authorities don`t wany happy, healthy, productive people. They want to treat us like the Amish treat farm animals. Work us into the grave, and replace us with another work horse that`s been indoctrinated to believe that if we work hard enough, one day we`ll be human...
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Male 5,413
Canada has 50!?
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Female 1,743
"funny. the map says the US gives zero.

My sister got at least 4 weeks. No thats not a whole year, but its not zero."

By her work, not by the government.
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Male 770
funny. the map says the US gives zero.

My sister got at least 4 weeks. No thats not a whole year, but its not zero.
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Female 1,743
These countries WANT women to have time/resources to properly take care of their infants. Healthy/happy babies = healthy/happy future tax payers and productive members of their respective societies.
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Male 12,365
At least one of those figures is wrong. The minimum paid maternity leave time in the UK is 39 weeks, not 20, and employers are required to allow a full year of maternity leave (they don`t need to pay you for the last 13 weeks if you take a full year).

Source: UK government website
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Male 38,245

You get maternity leave in US.
You just aren`t gonna get paid for not working.
But you can have the time off.
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Male 1,197
my missus is about to take hers, 26 weeks full pay, bitch, i only get 2weeks :/
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Male 58
In Canada, a mother will get 55% of her income for 1 year. The parents can decide to have the father take paternity leave instead for 6 months (no recovery time from giving birth required).

This is often also negotiated as part on union contract negotiations. I think most health care union employees can often get their maternity leave income topped up to 80% of the regular income.

I`m not usually a fan of collective bargaining, but as a father, I am really happy my wife was able to spend this time with my children. Tax dollars well spent in my opinion.
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Male 3,452
jtr, and now we get to the heart of the matter; another increase in taxes to pay for more people to come into this over populated world.
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Male 164
well it`s not like you get full pay for the whole 50 weeks. it`s a percentage of your income, i believe 50% or slightly more. not sure. but it`s nice for a new mother to get to spend the first year as the full-time caregiver for her child.

actually, i have this nagging feeling that the option is there for the father to take the 1 year mat leave instead of the mother, although i`ve never seen it happen.
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Male 1,010
Enjin has a point, this shows maternity leave provided by the public. As public maternity leave are standards set up to decide equal rights for all citizens, it is easy to make comparative statistics.

While in the US citizens negotiate personal agreements with their employers, accurate numbers that give a trustworthy picture of the situation, would be a set of statistics of its own - not comparable here. A factual statistic of what an average American parent can expect regarding maternity would probably a lot lower than in Europe, but I`m sure it`s not zero.

The old US vs. Europe/Canada healthcare and social benefits debate never ends, and as long as the perception of the word "freedom" varies slightly between us, it never will.
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Male 5,067
Why Canada is the best country in thew world allways?
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Male 13
That`s not fair, none of those other countries have to spend 8 trillion dollars a year on military, and invading other countries. Merica!!! we have priorities
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Male 186
Abort the damn thing I don`t give a rats a$$. I paid for mine you pay for yours.
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Male 530
50 weeks in Canada?! Are they afraid it`s contagious or something? Do they want to be sure the kid graduates and lives on it`s own before you can come back in to work?

I think the arrangement from Germany up to Italy is fair (although if the pregnancy goes bad there should be compensation) but 44 to 50 (and even 52 in Denmark as 404 said) is way to luxurious. With the money that such an arrangement costs other more pressing things could be financed by the government.
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Male 239
It`s 52 weeks in the UK, 6 weeks at 90% full pay and the rest at statutory maternity pay
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Male 11
I Wonder were they got those numbers fron... Denmark is 52 not 18
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Female 584
I had to work up until the day I went into labor and go back to work the day after I left the hospital after having my son via C-section. But hey ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I hope those women who get that paid time off appreciate it.
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Male 802
Every company I have worked for in the US offered paid leave as part of it`s benefits package.

Having said that, we had a child while working abroad for a Swedish company and the benefits were beyond generous. It`s amazing what can be accomplished when you don`t have wars to pay for.
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Male 3,364
@duckboy: Considering that all the other countries that do have paid maternity leave have mom and pop business, I guess they can. I think they get tax breaks.
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Male 1,240
68 weeks here in Sweden. just saying.
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Male 3,364
OldOllie: "The worst part, though, is that you think the fact that we DON`T steal from one group to benefit another somehow makes us LESS moral than the armed robbers."

And yet, those Wall St. bankers aren`t in prison. Shame, isn`t it?
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Male 143
hahahahaa you dont have maternity leave in the states? thats bruuuutal
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Female 1,150
I am pregnant now..and if I had it my way..I would be right back to work right after I have my baby...I really can`t afford to take much time off..because the time I would have to take off to heal I won`t get paid for it..it sux but that is my reality...3 or 4 weeks without pay sux..
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Male 2,592
Paying someone anyone to sit around and, not "do nothing," but however not doing anything to benefit my gig would surely ruin my small business.
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Female 430
"i seem to recall that at one point in friends, Rachel took a year off after having her kid, and was guranteed to get her job back. I CALL BULL poo"

But, while they are off work, they do NOT get paid. They get UNPAID maternity leave, dumbass.
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Male 15,832
Where`s the best place for liberty and personal responsibility? The fact is "nations" don`t provide this largess, taxpayers do. You`re basically taking money by force from one group of people, i.e., the people who worked to earn that money, and giving it to other people who didn`t work to earn it.

The worst part, though, is that you think the fact that we DON`T steal from one group to benefit another somehow makes us LESS moral than the armed robbers.
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Male 2,345
in the US we pretty much fail at being humans. oh we work hard, spend hard, complain hard but when it comes to recongizing anything beyond work, we suck much ass.

work, work, work, resist anything like universal healthcare, paid family leave, etc because it might be socialist (which doesn`t mean it wouldn`t work) and basically keep working till you have no time for friends family and eventually drop dead...all in the hopes of the "American Dream" which now really means making some rich person even richer.

we say we are the richest country in the weorld, yet we cannot afford to provide things that other much less rich nations provide to their people all the time and believe it or not, those countries have not fallen off the map.

btw, you all do realize that the tax system we use to pay for roads, bridges, schools etc, is a socialist idea right? and that it is no different than using tax money to pay for healthcare right?

yea it is.
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Male 286
i seem to recall that at one point in friends, Rachel took a year off after having her kid, and was guranteed to get her job back. I CALL BULL poo
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Male 3,894
@Student Law-- "Grown ups" is a meaningless phrase. People are ignorant from the day they`re born until the day they die. Being an adult doesn`t help.
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Female 1,743
You have to be employed and usually with the company for over year (at least in the United States).
Here you get only a percentage of your income, and it expires. So you`re definitely better off going back (except in my case where my income was less than the cost of daycare, so my partner and I decided I should be stay at home until I finish college). So stop acting like it`s this huge freaking scam by mothers who deserve the right to take off work to give birth. poo. If a woman worker is an asset to the company, they`ll give her incentive to stay.
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Male 1,284
massive businesses, massive government whats the difference? here the money come from the government, if its coming from businesses then its gonna be decided by insurance companies
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Female 846
aaaaaaaaaaaaalso, shouldn`t it be up to the business to set the amount off maternity leave, and not a massive government?
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Male 1,010
The gov. pages of Norway says 46 weeks, not 44. And you can choose between 46 weeks of fully payed leave, or 52 weeks with 80 % leave.
Also, in addition, we have the right to 12 weeks paid leave during pregnancy and you must take 6 weeks leave right after birth.
This means that all together both parents have the right to three years of leave.
The government pays most of it, from tax income, not the employers. The point is to keep birth rates high, and to ensure that becoming a parent means about the same for a man as for a woman, job- wise, so that employers are less eligible to discriminate.

Some people here, mostly from the US, clearly, asks how we accept this and how employers can be "forced" to this. It`s all from democratically passed legislation and we are all grown ups here and weather you believe it or not, we know what we are doing so don`t worry :-)
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Female 846
Thetas, are they the same women who punch out babies for the fat welfare checks and tax refund?
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Male 3,452
jtrebowski, I`m not against paid maternity leave; I`m against forcing businesses to pay out for maternity leave.

If a business can afford to pay someone 52 weeks of maternity, I`m all for it.

But do you think Mom & Pop shops can afford that?
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Male 6,737
@adelle32 - Is it not 9 months? I`ve not had a kid in a while and all,m but I was fairly certain it was 9 months.
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Male 2,705
What I find amusing- in the States- are the so-called conservatives that espouse family values on the one hand, and on the other hand promote corporate rights, making it more and more difficult for regular folks to have those families, and on the gripping hand, vilifying social programs that try to take up the slack.
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Female 1,181
oh, and @DuckBoy87, that only applies if the company has a certain number of employees, and the woman has been there for at least a year.
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Female 1,181
if obama loses the next election, i`m headed to canada anyway.
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Female 1,743
Heath is a business in the US, not a right.
We just don`t get it.
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Male 3,364
@Duckboy, gladhatter,Thetas, and others against paid maternity leave. I hope you learn something about running a company before commenting on how to do it, much less actually running one. See, it increases poductivity.
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Male 3,452
Businesses in the US don`t have to pay people for not working!
The scandal!

There may not be paid leave, however, I do believe, that those who get pregnant are guaranteed their jobs back once they`re done.
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Female 6
Just thought i would mention - the paid leave in Canada is usually approx 60% of your usual wages - is paid by the government, not the employer - and is for men or women. Also it can be split - mom can take 6 months, then dad can take 6 months (and yes - if you are mom and mom or dad and dad, you both can take half). You also qualify if you adopt a child.

Thats right...Canada is awesome :D
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Male 1,540
Ugh I can imagine a handful of single American women getting knocked up purely for the purpose of getting as much paid maternity leave as possible. It`s somewhat sickening to think about.
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Male 1,284
Usa paying to wage wars on others countries is OK but paying to help people having babies is NOT OK
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Female 7
This is either out of date or just inaccurate. In the uk statutory maternity pay is for 52 weeks.
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Male 219
Why the hell should employers be forced to provide paid leave? I just would stop hiring women who could potentially get knocked up. It would set the women`s movement back decades.
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Male 2,855
gender gap finally closed in the US
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Male 442
Why should anyone be forced to pay up so other people can have babies? They should have to post a 100,000 dollar bond before they conceive. Just what we need, encouragement to procreate!
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Male 4,392
Until we make it illegal for health insurance companies to be for profit America is screwed. In every other civilized country it is illegal.
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Male 4,392
My brother moved to Germany a fews years back and he had 2 months paternity leave. Although that could be a part of being in a government job.
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Male 11,740
The US could take lessons from other countries on this and a lot of other topics. I would love to move.
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Male 3,894
That`s horribly biased. The country might not guarantee paid leave (it does guarantee at least unpaid leave), but most businesses understand the need and provide it anyway.

Also, and I haven`t verified this, but I imagine individual states may have their own regulations regarding paid maternity leave.
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Male 286
wow. i thought it would be 50 weeks across the board
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Male 1,754
Canada seems awesome the more I hear about it.
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Male 1,284
Link: Paid Maternity Leave [Pic] [Rate Link] - Where is the best place for new mothers?
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