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76 Responses to Most Disappointed Barrett Supporter In Wisconson

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:03 am
    Link: Most Disappointed Barrett Supporter In Wisconson - Oh the tears of unfathomable sadness! Yummy!
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:10 am
    He has a point though.. Ending collective bargaining rights is pretty messed up..
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:11 am
    Kinda funny, probably an overreaction. I`m not sure why anyone outside of wisconson would care though...

    Not any more of an overreaction than Fox News attempting to compare a Barrett victory to communist China. American politics is all fear and spin, with ad absurdum running rampant.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:12 am
    Ending collective bargaining rights is pretty messed up..
    Yup. And repubs think union bargaining rights are somehow communist.
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    nettech98 Male 50-59
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:18 am
    They hold a vote. The `other guy` wins. Democracy`s DEAD? LOL
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    nettech98 Male 50-59
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:22 am
    "Ending collective bargaining rights is pretty messed up.."

    It was about ending those bargaining `rights` for public employee unions for everything except pay.

    Imagine - now those workers can actually CHOOSE if they want to be in the union or not.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:26 am
    The poor baby doesn’t know that democracy died in the 1600s when the American colonist started showing up
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    ChrisP12 Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:28 am
    He`s going to wail and p*ss his panties in November.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:38 am
    kain1: "He has a point though.. Ending collective bargaining rights is pretty messed up.. "


    No it isn`t. American workers who think they should have higher wages than their counterparts in China and India is messed up. It cuts into the bonuses of our esteemed CEO`s and reduces the gap between the top 1% and the rest of America, which is COMMUNISM!!!! You want to stop shipping jobs to China? That`s just un-American and you hate capitalism! Pinko!
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:48 am

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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 8:50 am
    Let`s hope he never breeds with Kristen Bell. :`(
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 9:00 am
    Walker won because the voters didn`t think the recall was legitimate. It`s that simple. President obama still has a huge margin of victory in that state. Conservative media will get to puff their chests for a few weeks but the people that watch are already voting conservative. Unless you are into opinion media this really will have zero affect on the November elections. And if you are into opinion media you already know who you are voting for. For me personally I was hoping Walker would loose but I really don`t care. I was actually surprised last night how little I cared.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 9:37 am
    I REALLY enjoyed the typical democrat voter who slapped Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett in the face after he conceded.

    These people consider themselves `enlightened`, when in reality they are just unhinged.
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 9:51 am
    Walker won because out-of-state right-wing billionaires gave him tens of millions of dollars in campaign contributions. The billionaires outspent the unions 6 to 1. This is how America works now in the wake of the Citizens United decision.

    The Barrett supporter is saying democracy is dead, he`s not completely wrong. How many people do you think would feel a patriotic duty to enlist in the armed forces to defend the USA, as it exists today? How could we even credibly argue that other countries would be better off if they adopted our system of government?

    If the Canadians invaded us tomorrow, I`d be rooting for the Canadians.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 9:54 am
    "Ending collective bargaining rights is pretty messed up.."

    This is what "collective bargaining" has become...

    "We want $16 an hour for this $9 an hour job. No? Okay, then I am calling for a strike until you give it to us, and everyone who disagrees will still have to strike, because they pay $50 a paycheck in union dues.

    If you hire scabs to work in our place while we strike, we will kick their asses and harass their families, so nobody is gonna wanna do it.

    After a few months of our union leaders forcing us to not work, therefore starving our families, you will give us a $.50 raise, but you will have lost millions and millions of dollars, all to give us something we do not deserve.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 9:55 am
    "How many people do you think would feel a patriotic duty to enlist in the armed forces to defend the USA, as it exists today?"

    I have $50 that says the conservatives would say they would join, and the liberals would say they wouldn`t.

    It`s been that way since the 60`s.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:08 am
    @AJ: You have a good point that unions often ask for too much, but that`s just their nature. Getting mad at them for doing that is like getting mad at a company that farms work out to China or Singapore to increase their profit margin.

    The whole reason unions were started was because companies paid crap wages and working conditions were not safe. I`m sure that $9/hr job would be sufficient if the cost of living wasn`t so high. But your point that unions get too greedy and bull-headed is accurate.
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:11 am
    "This is what collective bargaining has become..."

    Seriously? How about:
    "Don`t fire people or discipline them unless you have just cause to do so." You can still fire people, you can still discipline people, you just have to have a reason for it.

    Or how about:
    "The management has decided that they`re going to take away your health benefits and your pension, while increasing their own compensation and bonuses. So we`re going to grieve that under the contract and, if necessary, engage in job actions." You can still make changes to wages and benefits, but you have to bargain them. The Autoworkers made huge concessions on wages and benefits when the big 3 were struggling financially. They`re not stupid, they know the company must survive. What they`re less willing to do is give up wages and benefits during good times just so the executives can pad their own pockets.

    of course, executives don`t screw their employees
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:12 am
    wiscesq-"The billionaires outspent the unions 6 to 1"

    That would be incorrect: Walker pulled in $31 million. Barrett pulled in 18.2 million. (14 million of that was from The billionaires outspent the unions 6 to 1).

    BUT, Barrett`s campaign is only REPORTING $3 millions spent. Why is that? (Probably the 15 million had to be paid to the Union workers).

    wiscesq-"If the Canadians invaded us tomorrow...

    ...they would be defeated at the border by two troops of Boy Scouts weilding Plastic Sporks.


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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:15 am
    What an idiot.
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:16 am
    The reason the 1% hate unions is that they force companies to distribute profits more fairly between the workers (in the form of wages) and the executives and owners. Unions balance the bargaining power in the workforce. Without them, owners have all the power and workers have none. This results in a race to the bottom for wages and a huge redistribution of wealth to the rich.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:16 am
    wiscesq-"You can still fire people, you can still discipline people, you just have to have a reason for it."

    The Teacher`s Union of Alabama didn`t think that a teacher being convicted of Child Molestation and serving a 10 year prison sentence constituted a `reason to stop her paycheck`. They insisted that she continue to get her pay. It took three years and a new law from the state legislature to stop it.

    Do you REALLY contend that THAT is reasonable in ANY context?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:17 am
    @patch: Yeah the cost of living is spiraling out of control. I can agree with you there.

    The reason for that though, I believe, is corporations trying to maintain their profit margins by raising the price of their services to counter the excessive taxes and regulations they are required to pay for. If we could untie the hands of the corporations, prices would fall, and cost of living would as well.

    As far as unions go, we have sufficient labor laws in this country, that they are no longer needed. They had a place back in the 1800`s and early 1900`s, but no longer.

    I may be a bit bitter, because my wife is a teacher, and was just fired to avoid tenure. She was forced to join the teacher`s union, and she paid $30 a paycheck in union dues. When he 3 year probationary period was up, the board fired her to avoid tenure, and the union could do nothing, even though we had paid them all that money.

    In the end, she would still have a job if it weren`t for ten
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:17 am
    ......tenure rules, and the union itself.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:19 am
    And before Madest jumps in and claims debate victory via a spelling flame: weilding = wielding (got in a hurry)
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:22 am
    No, MeGrendel, Walker pulled in over $60 million, plus benefited from tens of millions of dollars in issue advertising from Americans for Prosperity and other right-wing PACs.

    The rich don`t create jobs, by the way. Market demand for products and services creates jobs. Market demand only exists if people have money to spend on those goods and services. As real wages for the middle and lower class shrink, so does the economy. As wealth concentrates in the hands of a smaller and smaller number of people, the economy and the job market goes into a death spiral.

    You pubbies who think the rich make jobs don`t understand how the economy functions.
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:23 am
    is he really figuring this out just now..?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:26 am
    @AJ: Sorry to hear about your wife, that blows, what a bunch of dicks. I hope she was able to get another job.

    I can `kind of` relate to her situation, since my job is always being labelled as a `term` position to avoid the cost of creating another full-time job. So basically every 6 months my boss has to write reports to say why my position is still needed. Not exactly the same situation as your wife, but there`s always the possibility for me to get laid off twice a year which is stressful. The relationship between my union and our federal government is usually quite good, but there`s nothing they can do about term positions, so they aren`t really doing much for me atm.
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:32 am
    Auburnjunkie- so your wife was fired because the local school board didn`t want to give her job security, and you blame the union? Do you not place any blame on the school board? If they would fire her to avoid giving her job security, how do you think they`d treat her in a non-union environment.

    You think "for-cause" disciplinary rules are wrong because the extreme cases are the ones that make the newspapers. For every "child molester" scenario, there are 1,000 cases where a person is protected by their contract from arbitrary and capricious action by an arrogant and incompetent administrator.

    If the cliche is that dems think there`s no such thing as a bad worker, then republicans must believe there`s no such thing as a bad manager.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:42 am
    wiscesq-" Walker pulled in over $60 million"

    Please Cite: According to the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign watch group, Walker raised $30,505,082.66 and spent $29,250,959,08 (oh, and the crying dude is not a cite).

    wiscesq-"The rich don`t create jobs, by the way. Market demand for products and services creates jobs. "

    And when you have a market demand for a Widget, who invests in the infrastructure, the research, the raw materials and the labor costs of producting said Widget? (hint: it`s not welfare recipients).

    And the Super Widget 2.0 (the better, faster, enhanced Widget with WiFi) was produced and availabel for the public by rich guys saying, `Let`s give them something better.`.

    Without investors and supporters, THIS would be your stereo:

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:49 am
    wiscesq-" so your wife was fired because the local school board didn`t want to give her job security"

    No, his wife was fired because the Teacher`s Unions have made it SO HARD to discipline or fire tenured teachers, it`s become common at the end of the school year for the school boards to send out pink slips to ALL untenured teachers, in hopes that when the Budget is passed for the next year they can recall them.

    They could afford to KEEP the good untenured teachers if they could elminate the dead weight of the tenured teachers who are useless.

    wiscesq-"extreme cases"

    Not so extreme:Ever heard of New Yorks Rubber Rooms?

    Every major city has such a program, where NUMEROUS teachers who have been found to be detrimental to children lounge as they cannot be fired, because they`re `te
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 10:59 am
    It doesn`t matter. Walker and his cronies will end up in jail before his term ends.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:03 am
    I can`t wait til Obama wins in November. God has such a good sense of humor. He`s setting you guys up for such a big disappointment. I`m going to drop dead from laughter. Maybe the first person in history to literally do so.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Well he (Obama) is well behind in the polls so he will have to have a hellofan October surprise if he hopes to win.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:13 am
    madest-"It doesn`t matter. Walker and his cronies will end up in jail before his term ends"

    If the Department of Justice actually worked on the Rule Of Law, Obama and his cronies would already be there.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:13 am
    "Walker and his cronies will end up in jail before his term ends."

    For what? Running his state government within budget?

    OH THE HORROR!
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:16 am
    @MeGrendel-
    Cite for spending figures:
    http://tinyurl.com/76a7ya5

    Re: your question "who invests in the infrastructure, the research..." Nobody does, if there is no market demand. There is no market demand without disposble income.

    If there is market demand, then maybe some rich dude invests in a start up, or maybe some middle class guy borrows money from a bank, or maybe a bunch of middle class folks get together and form a company with sweat equity.

    The question I`d ask back to you is: when one of those 1 percenters gets to accumulate an extra 10 million or so, and tells his broker to invest that 10 million in the stock market, how many new jobs are created by that transaction? Need a hint? The answer is the same as for the question- how much money does IBM receive when I buy 100 shares of IBM stock at the New York Stock exchange?
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:20 am
    @MeGrendel- Look up "availability bias" online if you want to understand why you think the extreme cases of tenure abuse are the norm. Normal disciplinary cases, either where the person gets fired or it is determined that there is no reasonable cause for firing them, do not make the news. These are the OVERWHELMING majority of cases under a just cause standard.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:21 am
    "when one of those 1 percenters gets to accumulate an extra 10 million or so, and tells his broker to invest that 10 million in the stock market, how many new jobs are created by that transaction? Need a hint? The answer is the same as for the question- how much money does IBM receive when I buy 100 shares of IBM stock at the New York Stock exchange?"

    Well, if 10 million dollars worth of IBM stock was suddenly bought, then the higher ups would use that momentum to approve a bunch of new R&D projects which would create jobs. If one of those projects came up with a viable product, they would mass produce it, which would create jobs. Everyone would want to buy that product, which would create jobs, and everybody on that chain I just laid out would get raises and bonuses, because the profit margin for IBM as a whole would increase, and the difference would trickle down.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:24 am
    Wise: If there were no unions, my wife would have never been on the chopping block. The only reasons anyone would ever get fired would be for discipline, or downsizing.

    She got fired, because if she were tenured and ever did something to get fired, the school board would have to keep paying her throughout the investigation into whatever she did wrong, and would have to pay her a severance even after she was terminated, even if she didn`t deserve it.
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:33 am
    @MeGrendel- if I bought 10 million dollars worth of IBM stock, IBM would not see a penny of it.

    Buying stock on the stock exchange is like trading baseball cards. The baseball card company gets money when the card is first sold, but everything that happens after that has no impact on them whatsoever. The 10 million dollars of IBM stock is just a exchange between two private parties, the buyer of the stock and the seller of the stock. The company get nothing.

    Now, if you are talking about IPOs (initial public offerings) or new stock sales, money will go to the company. Would you like to take a guess about what percentage of stock transactions are for the purchase of IPOs or new stock?

    All stock purchases other than new share purchases or IPOs are just billionaires trading baseball cards.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:37 am
    wiscesq-"Cite for spending figures: "

    Your own cite mentions `$30 million` with the possibility of `$40 million.` No mention of $60 million.

    wiscesq-"Re: your question "who invests in the infrastructure, the research..." Nobody does, if there is no market demand."

    And market demand, WITHOUT investment, is an unfufilled demand.

    wiscesq-"gets to accumulate"

    He`s doesn`t `get to`, he `earns`.

    wiscesq-"how many new jobs are created by that transaction"

    Well, when he buys stock, that company/individual that sold the stock now has extra funds available to increase infrastucture (jobs), increase production (jobs) and increase workforce (jobs). (or they can choose to do nothing with it, as it`s their money...but rich people didn`t get rich by NOT doing anything with investable money.)

    Or, instead of purchasing stock, he may tack the $10 million and start a new business (jo
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:41 am
    i do not want to live in this country anymore
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:44 am
    @MeGrendel- if an investigation takes a long time, it is usually the administration that is dragging its feet. That`s another thing you don`t hear about. "Bob Tenure sat on paid suspension for 3 years before he was fired." They don`t mention that it`s because the adminsitration took 2 years 9 months to put together its documentation as to why he was being fired.

    It isn`t impossible to fire people under a contract, you just have to able to document why you`re doing it. Lazy administrators fail to follow procedures, take months and months to do their job, and then turn around and claim that its the darn contract that is making the process take so long. They cover their incompetence by demonizing the contract itself. Boards buy it because they don`t like to think that their managers might be underperforming (which in turn would put some responsibility back on the board to not supervising their supervisors).
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:47 am
    ledzeppeloyd-"i do not want to live in this country anymore"

    That`s the great thing about this country. You`re free to leave. Delta`s ready when you are.

    (BTW..like the handle).
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:49 am
    MeGrendel- the cite specifically lists the 6 to 1 spending advantage.

    As to "earning"- my trust fund, managed by an outside firm, pays me $10 million dollars this year. How much have I "earned"?

    And you`re not getting the stock issue- the company doesn`t see a dime from secondary market stock transactions. Not a single additional dime is made available to the company to fund R and D, or expansion, or jobs, etc.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 11:52 am
    Here`s a good read Wise.
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
    112 posts
    June 6, 2012 at 11:57 am
    And one for you, Auburn.
    Availability bias
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    wiscesq-"if an investigation takes a long time"

    So, you consider it taking less time to convict a teacher of molestation in a federal court and serving three years of a ten year sentence than to fire the same teacher to be the fault of the ADMIN? (Look up the case, the Union was the problem the entire time..which it usually is. (not all the time, but more times than not))
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    Another read Wise could benefit from.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    Waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh. Guess I`ll have to go back to my not-quite-as-high-paying union "job" where I "work." Well, I am given paychecks and occasionally do things I don`t want to do in my spare time between 9 and 4, minus lunch.

    Bitches.
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
    112 posts
    June 6, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    @MeGrendel- really? You think liberals must be mentally ill? Well, I suppose if it makes you feel better that the only reason I`m crushing your arguments and demonstrating that you have little or no knowledge of economics or capital markets is because I`m a crazy liberal, then I guess we can all make believe for the sake of your delicate ego.

    Regarding the time taken for investigations, I won`t claim that every investigation delay is caused by management, but they are the ones bringing the charges, they`re the ones assembling any documentation, they`re the ones with the burden of proof.

    Often the admin will drag things out hoping the employee will find another job and resign, eliminating the need for the arbitration. You would be foolish to underestimate how lazy some public adminstrators can be.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    @MeGrendel: Wow, the blatant bias in that book is overwhelming. The language he uses, such as "assault on freedom", "liberalism`s irrationality" etc. frame the issue in such a way as to assert that liberals are evil, lack morals, and all have mental problems. The synopsis seems like it just labels liberals as having mental issues and childhood trauma that manifest into downright insanity. Looks more like a feel-good-reaffirms-my-views -and-satisfies-my-hatred-of-liberals book rather than something trying to explain actual liberal thought. I bet it made you feel all warm and fuzzy when you read it.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 6, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    Hahaha! Whiney crybaby didn`t get his way!
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    wiscesq-"You think liberals must be mentally ill?"

    Actually, no (at least, not all of them..some I`m pretty sure are, thought). I was just citing nonsense in response to your nonsense.

    wiscesq-"I`m crushing your arguments"

    Wow, not only mentally ill but delusional, too.

    wiscesq-"they`re the ones with the burden of proof. "

    And many times NO amount of proof is enough for Unions. Just as a person being convicted of child molestation of a student by a jury of her peers (based on overwhelming evidence) and sentenced to a 10 year term was not `proof enough` to the Teacher`s Union that she should be fired.

    patchgrabber-" the blatant bias in that book is overwhelming"

    Obviously! I`ve never read it nor would I put any credence in it. It was just a response to other nonsense (see above). I`ve seen similar books for Conservatives, too.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2012 at 1:40 pm
    @MeGrendel: Ah, then I apologize for the comment I made. Nice troll.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    June 6, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    ...ummm AMUUURICA!
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    June 6, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    Scoreboard.... I guess they`ll have to find another way to live off the Taxpayer at a higher rate than that same taxpayer.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 6, 2012 at 5:31 pm
    Unions Outspent Repubs! still lost!

    The MSM has been trying to blame "big Republican money" but have ignored the spending by the Unions entirely.

    I didn`t read the comments, but would bet $0.05 some whiney lefty parroted the MSM mantra...
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    VirtualParty Male 18-29
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    June 6, 2012 at 6:06 pm
    The reason hes sad is because the candidate who won( republican ) has a long standing history of being bought and traded as a commodity who works for special interest groups that screw over the common man and cause job loss.

    This is the person who won.

    This candidate had 27 million dollars more worth donation. It truly shows that politicians can be bought and elections can be rigged. This is very dire.

    Good luck to anyone in Wisconson, and any democrats left LEAVE THE STATE!
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    VirtualParty Male 18-29
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    June 6, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    This guy completely killed the concept of unions in his state and completely disbanded them. How are you even talking about their spending here if they no longer exist?

    You live in Canada yet are afflicted with the blindness that I am ashamed to see in many fellow Americans.

    It`s not left vs right. It`s "what is right?" and this man is a criminal.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2012 at 6:17 pm
    VP: This guy completely killed the concept of unions in his state and completely disbanded them.

    Total Bullsh|t. Walker hasn`t forced any unions to disband. I don`t know where you`re getting your left wing propaganda from but I suggest you quit going there and learn some real facts.

    Wisconsin has went from deficit spending into a surplus and he hasn`t lowered any teachers wages or forced them to quit their union.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    June 6, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    I hope his hate eats a hole in his stinking socialist gut.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    815 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 5:06 am
    "I hope his hate eats a hole in his stinking socialist gut."

    Good for you, OldOllie. You have taken a concept like a moderate Republican, like the people I grew up around, and made them sound like intolerant monsters who stop at nothing to be satisfied.

    Extreme point of views are NOT the way to keep a country going. I`m sick of them on both sides. I`m sick of the Koch brothers trying to buy the country.

    I was about to say I was sick of Democrat whining, but at least there are more states which gays can be married in and some protesting. At least they are trying a little, they need to do more positive actions.

    The world and humanity is TRYING to go from a brutal, intolerant society to a peaceful one. We`re not real good at it, and, if we don`t get better, we will all destroy one another.

    So, OldOllie, get a grip. I don`t hate you, but I`m very disapponted with you as a person.

    Shame on you.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5875 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 6:30 am
    VirtualParty-"This guy completely killed the concept of unions in his state and completely disbanded them."

    You`re either lying or an idiot (or both).

    Union are still alive and well in Wisconsin. What was killed off was the Unions` ability to rape the taxpayers of the state by holding their children and services hostage.

    thubanstar-"The world and humanity is TRYING to go from a brutal, intolerant society to a peaceful one."

    EVERY civilizations, during EVERY century believed they were going from `a brutal, intolerant society to a peaceful one.` They all believed they were `enlightened.`

    They were ALL wrong, just as you are.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 6:32 am
    @Auburnjunky: Much like communism, the trickle down effect looks pretty good on paper. It`s turns out however that that`s not how events unfold in practise.. You have to deal with reality when making policy..
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    815 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 7:45 am
    MeGrendl,

    Every? Er... no. Most of the time, it was rich people starting wars and using the "we`re gonna get a lot of peace out of this" line to get people to enlist and fight the wars... maybe that`s what you are thinking of. It was always a lie.. but times, they are a changin`.

    Not many times in history have you seen just ordinary people get together and have events to try and honestly make the world a better place. Can`t think of ONE TIME before the 20th century when that happened, can you?

    Maybe Woodstock and the Occupy movement were flaky, but they WERE a gathering of ordinary folk who, among other reasons both pure and cynical, WERE there to support one another and send a message of peace.

    It`s getting different. Peace may not prevail, but I do see that for thousands of years we lived in the time of aristocracy, then a time of great social change. I do think now we live in the time of the common man, and we need to keep it that way.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 8:08 am
    I cannot for the life of me understand why people would want to get rid of unions. AJ suggested that we have enough laws in place to make unions obsolete, but it`s not like big companies with money pay lobbyists to change laws at all...

    Also without unions you are relying on the company to doll out raises, set a fair number of vacation/sick days, keep the workplace safe etc. That`s too much trust to put into any company, imo.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 8:47 am
    I am on the fence regarding unions. Unions historically have definitely made working conditions more fair when companies try to take advantage. I just wish I didn`t see so many people take advantage of their union status to be lazy and extort money out of people who want them to do their job. In the area I work, many times my clients are forced to pay union people to sit around and shadow people who are actually doing the work because the union people are so unqualified it makes more sense to pay double to be able to hire the more qualified non-union workers you actually want. Plus, many times they work really slowly to rack up hours, disappear completely for hours and refuse to do their job unless you grease their palm extra $. We`ve all heard about teachers who slack off once they get tenure. Not all teachers but enough to be noticeable. This isn`t what unions were supposed to be about. Seeing all of this has soured me on the idea of unions and I would never belong to one.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5875 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    hubanstar-"Not many times in history have you seen just ordinary people get together and have events to try and honestly make the world a better place."

    The Minoans, the Aztecs, the Olmec, the Babylonians, the Phoenicians, the Mayans, the Toltecs, the Maurya Empire, the Incans and Ancient Egypt all had various groups that thought they were `enlightened`. That thought they were `working against the man` (or in the case of the Minoans, `the woman`). That thought they were going to make the world `a better place`.

    They were all wrong (in fact, they were all evenutally lost as civilizations).

    You, hubanstar, are not `enlightened`. You`re suffering from delusions of mediocrity.

    hubanstar-"It`s getting different."

    No, it`s not. If you think any of these movements or attitudes are `new` or `different` you just demonstrate an ignorance of history.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5875 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    hubanstar-"but times, they are a changin"

    Only the technology and players change, human nature does not. There is nothing new under the sun. No feel-good revolution songs are going to change it.

    Knew a girl in highschool. She, too, was under the impression that the Human Race was `enlightened`. We were discussing the wars of the 20th century. She made the statement `It`s a good thing that`ll never happen anymore." I asked her to explain. "The world is too advanced for people to resort to war anymore".

    After I managed to get the look of incredulity off my face I asked her to make a bet: That the US would be involved in another war before our 10th High School reunion. She agreed.

    I should of went to my 10 year reunion...She owes me $100.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 9:53 pm
    I`m sick of them on both sides. I`m sick of the Koch brothers trying to buy the country.
    Don`t give me that smug, holier-than-thou "both sides" bull$#!+. You rag on the Koch brothers, who employ 1000s of people, but you seem to have no problem with that f***ing ex-Nazi George Soros who`s never made a single penny in his entire worthless life that wasn`t someone else`s loss. He`s spent at least 30 f***ing times as much funding anti-American left-wing causes as the Koch brothers have spent trying to defend the principles of liberty on which this country was founded.

    Well you can take you sanctimonious, condescending liberalism, fold it 5 times, and shove it straight up your stinking socialist ass.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    June 7, 2012 at 10:01 pm
    I cannot for the life of me understand why people would want to get rid of unions.
    Unions aren`t the problem. It`s the government who puts their boot on the necks of employers so the unions can f*** them straight up the ass.
    If employees want to join a union, fine.
    If they want to make demands regarding work rules and compensation, fine.
    If the boss doesn`t want to agree, fine.
    If the union wants to call a strike, fine.
    If the boss wants to replace them all permanently, fine.

    Unfortunately, that`s not how it works.
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    crackyhoss Male 18-29
    254 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:33 am
    OldOllie you`re the worst kind of hypocrite... george soros has absodratinglutely NOTHING to do with the battle going on in wisconsin. anyone that is against unions is either mega rich, or a drating moron. are you mega rich?
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    815 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 2:59 am
    McGrendel and OldOllie, y`all are part of the reason life on this planet sucks.

    Say whatever you want about my knowledge. The fact is, I`m politely debating here, and I`m hoping for change.

    You guys love wallowing in hate and dissent. What is it you want? Attention trolls always get? Who are you helping? Don`t ask me, I DO help, but what you YOU do?

    Just troll, troll, troll.... go plant some flowers or something, help an old person across the street. No one takes you seriously (I don`t) I am just amusing myself for a second replying to you as I go do other, better things.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5875 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 6:55 am
    thubanstar-"You guys love wallowing in hate and dissent."

    Not at all, but we do recognize that your new `Occupy` movement is neither new nor original, nor accomplishing anything.

    thubanstar-"Who are you helping?"

    To name a few:
    I paint faces at Childrens hospitals, Childrens Rehab Services and the local United Cerebral Palsy pre-school.
    I build props for choirs and whatever`s needed at local elementary and middle schools.
    I build wheelchair ramps at houses that need them.
    I help build playgrounds.
    I do desktop publishing of flyers and booklets for all of the above.
    I design flyers, t-shirts etc for charity programs.
    All of the above is volunteer work, many times the supplies coming out of my pocket.

    One thing I DON`T do is hang aroud parks and highways holding signs screaming about `Da Rich` under the delusion that it`s accomplishing something.

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