Lisa Brown Banned For Using The Word Vagina

Submitted by: piperfawn 4 years ago

Michigan, the state where freedom of speech is the most important thing. The clip is embedded, the full story in CREDITS
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Male 15
It wasn`t because she said "vagina" but because saying "I`m so flattered you are interested in my vagina, but no means no" is rude and unnecessary in the setting it was used and did nothing but overshadow her point.
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Female 138
we do realise that vagina is a scientific term, its not like she said eat my pussy, or something truly offensive.
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Male 3,364
@Bluefalcon: You might want to take that stick out of your rectum and watch it again. It was fully contextual. Beside, when did using a word that even pre-schoolers know become "unbecoming"?
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Male 5
She holds a government office and is upheld to a higher standard, I fall under this myself being in the military. People in her position and mine are supposed to show a professional image to the public. This was open for viewing to the public so there is no question on if she was aware it would be seen publicly. Using the word "vagina" in that context had no scientific meaning, along with adding, "no means no," at the end alluring to rape.

Bottom Line. She made a decision to act in a way unbecoming a government official and has to be held responsible for her actions, regardless of the matter she was bringing up. She knew the consequences of her actions, and that language like that would result in a retaliatory action her.
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Male 3,364
zeeger60: "republicans want censorship? Fine. A bullet in the head everytime a republican lies."

C`mon, man. They don`t lie anymore than anyone else. Try telling them the earth isn`t flat. Of course they`ll dispute it, but they`re not actually "lying". They actually believe it.
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Male 3,364
vagina
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Male 166
Go `Merica!
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Male 1,558
Christians think they world should do what they want. Drat them all!!
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Male 2,143
republicans want censorship? Fine. A bullet in the head everytime a republican lies.
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Male 1,360
Alcoholics go to meetings,
I`m a drunk I go to parties!
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Female 2,602
[quote]Yea MacGuffin I have a bunch of other ethnicities mixed in but I think I most identify with the Scotch, Irish, and English. I think it`s because I`m such a big fan of beer and liquor.[/quote]

Are you sure you`re not just an alcoholic?, because merely liking alcohol doesn`t de facto make you Scottish, Irish or English.
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Male 98
Yay, Lisa! Now that`s what I call representing the D. (Technically, the OC, but right next door).
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Male 4,431
BlueFalcon, the UCMJ governs the actions of active duty military members and is even used to adjudicate and punish regarding criminal activity--even allowing for double jeopardy, which is significantly more stringent and strident than any rules governing civilians, elected representatives or not. There is no such document and no such strenuous rules for our representatives. You may wish there to be, and you can vote for there to be, but, fortunately for us, there currently aren`t any.

Unfortunately, the majority rules here, even when the rights of the civil rights of the minority are abused. That should NEVER be the case. We, as a people, should NEVER be able to vote on civil rights. That would allow for slavery or a minority, for instance, or other discrimination, based on minority status, that is clearly abhorrent. But, such is our system of government. Oh well.
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Male 2,737
cooch
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Male 4,793
Because this country is fuc*ing stupid. Abortions will probably just become another black market commodity like drugs.
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Male 1,471
This is drating ridiculous.. the v-word !?
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Female 595
BlueFalcon, are you so "civilized" and "professional" that you can`t get your head out of your ass to see when a situation is complete and utter bullpoo? I applaud members of the government who have the passion and audacity to stand up to their fellow peers and break through the asinine banter that goes on in these public hearings.
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Male 5
She holds a government office and is upheld to a higher standard, I fall under this myself being in the military. People in her position and mine are supposed to show a professional image to the public. This was open for viewing to the public so there is no question on if she was aware it would be seen publicly. Using the word "vagina" in that context had no scientific meaning, along with adding, "no means no," at the end alluring to rape.

Bottom Line. She made a decision to act in a way unbecoming a government official and has to be held responsible for her actions, regardless of the matter she was bringing up. She knew the consequences of her actions, and that language like that would result in a retaliatory action her.
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Male 735
how absurd! using the v word
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Female 2,764
I think men should pay child support... but I think the women should have to produce receipts for all the things bought FOR THE CHILD... so you know you`re not paying for her coach purses
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Male 501
The person who banned her acted foolishly. Not because she didn`t deserve it (reversing the genders makes it fairly clear she did), but because they did what she wanted them to. She wanted a reaction and she got it.

Gerry made the point first, but I`ll make it again. I don`t think men should be forced to pay child support (they can opt out as soon as they learn of the pregnancy) for as long as women have the right to abort the baby. I mean, I`m glad everyone here wants to get their hands on my penis, but no means no.

Imagine how that would have gone over.
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Male 4,014
He may as well have conditioned her ability to speak again on the floor of the house upon her bringing all Republicans a delicious sandwich after she returns from the kitchen where she belongs.
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Male 4,014
"It`s never happened," legislative historian and Inside Politics editor Bill Ballenger said. "There is no precedent. There have been altercations in the House and Senate. But the idea of the controlling party, Republican or Democratic, censuring, in a sense, two of its members for speech, literally clamping down on their free-speech rights? It never happened and shouldn`t happen. And, in my view, won`t happen again."

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Bill Ballenger is a respected voice in Michigan politics. And a REPUBLICAN. So people get into fights and have never been silenced, but challenging Republicans on an anti-abortion bill? SILENCE!
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Male 5,013
MG you start to know me. :-)
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Female 2,602
And on that note, it`s time for bed*. Goodnight all. ;-)




* To sleep, before you leap in pf.
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Male 5,013


not so little.
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Female 2,602
[quote]So i want to be a bee. [/quote]

You are a little bee, pf. ;-)
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Male 1,586
Yea MacGuffin I have a bunch of other ethnicities mixed in but I think I most identify with the Scotch, Irish, and English. I think it`s because I`m such a big fan of beer and liquor.
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Male 5,013
So i want to be a bee. ;-)
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Female 2,602
[quote]I live in Michigan and according to the ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX local affiliates here she was banned specifically for saying "no means no" which alludes to rape[/quote]

It sounds a bit like a crap excuse, doesn`t it? They`d be better off just saying she was out of line, by implying that a place of legislative decision making would ever be interested in her vagina specifically.
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Female 2,602
[quote]MacGuffin I didn`t realize you were Scottish. I come from Scottish, Irish, English roots.[/quote]

Yeah, there`s tons of Americans with a Scottiish heritage. It`s amazing how we all intermix.
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Female 2,602
[quote]MacGuffin so what word is "polite" for that lovely thing? [/quote]

"flower" :-D

But in the context concerned, you just wouldn`t bring up the word at all, unless you had to, which she didn`t.
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Male 1,586
piper I don`t think it`s a question of the "appropriate" term since vagina is the most appropriate term. The means in which she used the term were meant to shock and disarm everyone present.
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Female 734
I live in Michigan and according to the ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX local affiliates here she was banned specifically for saying "no means no" which alludes to rape
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Male 5,013
MacGuffin so what word is "polite" for that lovely thing?
You have made me curious about your country.I`ve traveled lot of time in England but i never was in Scotland.
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Male 1,586
MacGuffin I didn`t realize you were Scottish. I come from Scottish, Irish, English roots.
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Female 2,602
unless you`re a gynaecologist!
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Female 2,602
[quote]I know what you mean but sewem that the reason for what she was banned was about the prudish word, not for the emphasis or the provocation. The real problem is this in my opinion.
Is scottish accent similar to Manchester or Liverpool accent?[/quote]

There are lots of Scottish accents, and they`re each pretty distinctive to Scots but not so much to outsiders. However, none of them are like Mancunian (Machester) or Scouse (Liverpool). Americans can`t understand any of us, and English people can understand only the more polite dialects.

Edinburgh is quite posh, and Glasgow I`m afraid would be like Naples is in Italy: very rough, very tough, and not to be messed with. I come from the West Coast, and live between Glasgow and Edinburgh, so have a fairly mixed-up accent; people round here don`t think I`m one of them, and people back on the West Coast hear an East Coast influence.

The word "vagina" isn`t polite in any of these dialects, ...
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Male 5,013
I know what you mean but sewem that the reason for what she was banned was about the prudish word, not for the emphasis or the provocation. The real problem is this in my opinion.
Is scottish accent similar to Manchester or Liverpool accent?
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Female 2,602
[quote]MacGuffin so i wait impatiently that you become my personal english teacher, when i can come to you for the lessons?
Maybe was provocative as you say, in any case i can`t see a valid reason for a ban. Politic is maded of discussion not with bans. They are all adult and i really think they can afford a provocation and also the evil word "vagina".[/quote]

LOL. I just can imagine the Scottish Westie twang your spoken English would have if you were to learn it from me.

In terms of this woman`s use of the word in question, it`s not even so much a prudish thing; it`s just about showing respect. It`s kind of the same as the reason why you don`t swear in job interviews or in Church, however you speak in everyday life: it disrespects the occasion, and the audience.
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Male 5,013
MacGuffin so i wait impatiently that you become my personal english teacher, when i can come to you for the lessons?
Maybe was provocative as you say, in any case i can`t see a valid reason for a ban. Politic is maded of discussion not with bans. They are all adult and i really think they can afford a provocation and also the evil word "vagina".
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Female 2,602
[quote]All of you are a bunch of whiny wimps. I don`t care what the context is -- banning someone over that displays the ultimate cowardice. [/quote]

Talk to the vagina, because no other orifice is listening.
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Male 1,754
All of you are a bunch of whiny wimps. I don`t care what the context is -- banning someone over that displays the ultimate cowardice.
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Female 2,602
[quote]McGuffin the word vagina is the clinical word to describe it you can say vulva too and is not gross. No matter the context, there are no other scientifical or polite word to say what she mean so i don`t understand why you think is ok to penalise her. I don`t see any outrage or provocation. Mike Calton a republican speaking about this event say that she have used an offensive word not mentionable in the presence of ladies( this is the mentality that lead to her ban). Lisa Brown was banned for the word vagina, not cause what she say seemed provocative.[/quote]

I need to disagree with you there, cheesy dearest. I can understand your misunderstanding the nuance in this case, though, with English not being your first language. To any native English speaker, it was fairly clear she was trying to shock by using that word in the context that she did: her choice of words was unnecessary, provocative and designed to outrage, IMHO.
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Male 5,013
Evil_Eye she have maded an example exactly to say she don`t want that religious belive decide for the citizens life. She just say "my religion say this and that but i don`t pretend this become the law of my state,your religion say different things and is all ok, what is not ok is that you pretend to do civilians laws that follow your or others religious dictat".
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Male 1,586
I think it was a question of context here. I have to agree with Gerry and MacG on this one. She was looking for some shock value because election time is coming soon.
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Male 1,442
So a fetus is a vagina now? They don`t ban abortions because they want you to "loosen up", else they would ban c-sections too. It is all about them classing the fetus as human.
Also separation of church and state includes Judaism, so most of what she said was irrelivent. I am for abortions but she really needs better material.

Other then that, it is juvenile to ban saying penis or vagina when those are the medical terms.
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Male 5,013
McGuffin the word vagina is the clinical word to describe it you can say vulva too and is not gross. No matter the context, there are no other scientifical or polite word to say what she mean so i don`t understand why you think is ok to penalise her. I don`t see any outrage or provocation. Mike Calton a republican speaking about this event say that she have used an offensive word not mentionable in the presence of ladies( this is the mentality that lead to her ban). Lisa Brown was banned for the word vagina, not cause what she say seemed provocative.
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Female 2,602
"And frankly Mr Speaker, I`m flattered that you`re all so interested in my vagina, but no means no".

That`s the exact phrase she used. And it seemed a little weird, coming as it did at the end of a monologue about how the Jewish faith views abortion, which didn`t bear much relation to the sentence above. I always say, context and intent are everything. That`s why black rap artists using the `N` word is OK, but for a white blondie like me it`s not OK.

Unlike when the IAB swear filter is so keen to cut out certain words that you can`t even talk about "cocktail" drinks (which comes out as `roostertail`) or "beef jerky" (which becomes beef `non-nice individualy`), I doubt it would have been an issue for this woman to use the word "vagina" in a legitimate medical context. Instead, she used it in a context that seemed designed to provoke and outrage, which is why it was frowned upon. Nothing wrong with her being penalised for that.
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Male 3,894
I haven`t watched it yet, but just to be fair, I`m pretty sure they don`t say "penis" in places like this either. They probably go with something super dry and prudish like "male reproductive organ" or "female reproductive organ"
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Male 37,888

Reverse it, if a man speaking before the House had said "I`m glad you`re so interested in my Penis" would anyone think it impropper if they didn`t give him the mike a second time?

What`s good for the goose is sauce for the gander {or something like that}.
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Male 4,014
This was an amazing blunder for Republicans. They are usually better at the game then this. This is your GOP America. In a debate about abortion rights, resistance to the passage of a bill that would ban abortion EVEN IN CASES OF RAPE after 20 weeks by a WOMAN who refered to her VAGINA got her silenced.

Note, SHE WASN`T ALLOWED TO SPEAK LATER ON AN EDUCATION BILL - UNRELATED TO THE ABORTION BILL.

Awesome. You couldn`t have charicatured the Republican party and their 1950`s view of women any better. It`s awesome because its true and not susceptiable to spin.
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Male 2,631
Maybe `Vagina` is too... clinical. May I suggest that for all further discussions in the Michigan legislature they try `HooHa`?
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Male 2,345
republicans think that men are superior, smarter and should be in control. that is beyond obvious and to say otherwise exposes the person as a complete fool.

republican men believe that they do not have to listen to women and that women should stfu and get back in the kitchen.

they also have some idiotic belief that gays getting married someone endangers their marriage and that it is not the 53% divorce rate that actually endangers marriage.

republicans believe in small government but in total security, which means the giv will be in your face constantly and we will spend more on defense than any other thing (even spending half what we do would still be twice as much as China, the next biggest spender).

in other words, republicans are a group of morons.

there is ONE conservative on on the right that understands this and wants to change things, Ron Paul, but they cannot hear him because he speaks the truth.
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Male 5,013
Link: Lisa Brown Banned For Using The Word Vagina [Rate Link] - Michigan, the state where freedom of speech is the most important thing. The clip is embedded, the full story in CREDITS
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