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Date: 06/08/12 07:39 AM

76 Responses to Hope You Didn`t Need That Kneecap, Hippie [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of hole_rocks89
    hole_rocks89 Female 13-17
    353 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 7:40 am
    Link: Hope You Didn`t Need That Kneecap, Hippie - Chad`s last protest ever.
  2. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3359 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 7:48 am
    That`s not a hippie. that`s an anarchist. Huge difference.
  3. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 7:54 am
    Pretty spry for a bigger guy, good for him.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2012 at 7:55 am
    I don`t think I`ve liked police doing this. They are all sadists.
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
    382 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:01 am
    They are wearing masks, treat them as terrorists. Them maybe thes punks will get a good dose of reality. More tasers and handcuffs please. Then dump them in a transport truck and haul them 300 miles out of town. Leave them there with only 1 bobby pin.
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    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:06 am
    It`s pretty easy to take down a guy with a billy club, but the way that guy is responding isn`t how you do it. We used to practice it at karate. All you need to do is get in close enough that they can`t use it, and hit them decisively somewhere vital like the throat, solar plexus or nose whilst they`re at a disadvantage. You`ve got plenty of time to step in whilst they wind their arm back to gain momentum. Because they`ve got their hands full with a weapon that`s useless at close range, but that their brain tells them not to let go of, it`s ironically easier to floor someone carrying one of those than it is to floor an unarmed person.
  7. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:16 am
    "Because they`ve got their hands full with a weapon that`s useless at close range"

    Ever take an elbow to the back of the head at close range? Imagine that with a billy club held tight up against the forearm. Trust me, a billy club is a very formidable weapon at close range if you know how to use it.
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    Spearman113 Male 18-29
    209 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:21 am
    "I don`t think I`ve liked police doing this. They are all sadists."

    Really? Because I JUST got home from the funeral of a fallen officer and co-worker who gave his life to save the life of a woman who was attacked by her boyfriend.

    Link

    Tell me he`s a drating sadist. Tell me he willingly put his life in danger every god damn day because he was a drating sadist.

    Think before you speak, non-nice individual.Link
  9. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:22 am
    Ever take an elbow to the back of the head at close range? Imagine that with a billy club held tight up against the forearm. Trust me, a billy club is a very formidable weapon at close range if you know how to use it.

    Yes, I have. Ever tried to elbow someone in the back of the head whilst you`re holding a billy club the way that guy is holding it?
  10. Profile photo of Buiadh
    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:24 am
    That kneecap does look hugely inviting.
  11. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:26 am
    "Yes, I have. Ever tried to elbow someone in the back of the head whilst you`re holding a billy club the way that guy is holding it?"

    Your issue is with this particular user, not the weapon then.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 8, 2012 at 8:27 am

    We don`t really know what started this scene, so I am going to go with the statistically most likely scenario.... the cop`s a prick.
  13. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:28 am
    He isn`t trying for the back of the head at close range he is trying for a kneecap at arms length.
  14. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:34 am
    Your issue is with this particular user, not the weapon then.

    No, it`s with the weapon. It`s useless at close range against someone unarmed that knows what they`re doing. Even for the type of strike you`re talking about - because you need to change grip in a way that clearly telegraphs your intentions. If you`re holding it like a club, someone that knows what they`re doing will just step inside your clubbing range and hit you with their elbow or fist in a vital area. If you switch to holding it like a reinforcement of your arm for an elbow strike, not only will you hurt your own forearm bone even if you connect, but you`ll be vulnerable to having the legs taken out from under you whilst you`re twirling it like a majorette.

    ...

  15. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:34 am
    We tried it both ways in karate - between two people of equal skill, it was always the guy with the club that got took down and thumped.

    Other surprising results included it being easier to fight two people than one alone - because they get in each other`s way.
  16. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:39 am
    Sorry MacGuffin, my personal experience with this weapon has produced very different results than what you are saying.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:40 am
    while he delivers that idiot wind up, kick his foot.
  18. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:43 am
    "fighting two people is easier than fighting one" , have you ever actually fought two people at once? My experience says it is quite a bit more challenging than one on one.
  19. Profile photo of 8BitHero
    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:44 am
    The policeman is like
    "I have a weapon so I am better than you muwahahaha"
  20. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:45 am
    "We tried it both ways in karate - between two people of equal skill, it was always the guy with the club that got took down and thumped. "

    Perhaps it was restraint on the club holders part that decided the match, unless you were full contact with billy clubs ?
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    DinVen Male 30-39
    390 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:52 am
    I had no idea fat pigs could almost levitate.
  22. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7470 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:54 am
    yusucksomuch, the person with the club could easily lose if they rely too heavily on the instrument and leave gaping holes in their defense.
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    Rizzo71 Male 40-49
    427 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 8:55 am
    Next thing: The protester kicks the cop in the balls. I like to see that pic, too. :)
  24. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:00 am
    Perhaps it was restraint on the club holders part that decided the match, unless you were full contact with billy clubs ?

    I first studied karate twenty-odd years ago. Back then the club I went to taught a style based on Shotokan. I did it for around 6-7 years, then had a break. When I went back, around about the turn of the millennium, the association had moved on to more of a MMA-influenced style, with ground work, basic and improvised weapons, and grappling included as part of the syllabus, as well as the punching and kicking that characterises traditional karate. The guy that runs it is a chief doorman for one of the large casinos in Scotland, and he learned a fair bit of what works in RL from that experience. He showed us all sorts of surprising stuff that I just wouldn`t have figured out instinctively or believed until I`d seen it done and done it for myself.

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  25. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:01 am
    Bottom line, most of what I learned is that merely being physically capable of hitting something hard doesn`t do you any good unless you also get the opportunity to do so. That`s why Ultimate Fighting always looks so `scrappy`, despite the fact that those guys are usually really top martial artists within their home styles – it all comes down to getting close in, and finishing the guy. If you stand back and throw haymakers (or billy clubs), you`ll just get closed down and pummelled every time.
  26. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:08 am
    "usucksomuch, the person with the club could easily lose if they rely too heavily on the instrument and leave gaping holes in their defense."

    Never said that couldn`t happen, my point is the billy club is a great close range weapon, and not useless in close range like was stated
  27. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:09 am
    you still are harping on the users not the weapon
  28. Profile photo of Supersack
    Supersack Male 50-59
    15 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:16 am
    I think a nice wood shampoo would fix most hippies.
  29. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:20 am
    you still are harping on the users not the weapon

    No, I`m talking about expert fighters, being handicapped by relying on a weapon that`s no use close in.

    Look at the cop in this picture, for example. I mean, clearly he`s not a master of anything other than maybe doughnut-eating, but still, he`s out there, and betting his life that a piece of wood will give him an advantage. If he`s ever going to actually *hit* that protestor with the club he`s holding, he`s going to have to transfer his weight onto his leading leg to do so. Unfortunately, that leg is way out in front of him, completely undefended. It`s not even on the ground yet. All anyone would need to do to floor him as he was swinging forward, would be to `hook` that leading leg at the ankle using their own foot from the outside. All the power that the cop thought was in his arm (but is actually in his hips and front leg) would send him sprawling to the ground.
  30. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:23 am
    "you are still harping on the users"

    "no I`m talking about expert fighters"

    !?

    You really don`t see? I`m talking about the weapon, not the person holding it, the weapon is not useless in close range, the person holding MAY be, but the weapon is VERY useful in close range if you know how to use it.
  31. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:32 am
    You really don`t see? I`m talking about the weapon, not the person holding it, the weapon is not useless in close range, the person holding MAY be, but the weapon is VERY useful in close range if you know how to use it.

    Well, I wont labour the point, but as I`ve said my comments are about the expert fighters I witnessed being put to a disadvantage by being put in the scenario of having to use a club against other expert fighters. In all of the match-ups I saw, the guy with the club didn`t get a chance to connect even once. They used training dowels, where you could get hit with them full force and you still wouldn`t have felt much - but the fight would have been considered won if they`d made managed to make contact in any way.

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  32. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:32 am
    A knife, on the other hand, is about the most dangerous weapon there is: moreso than a handgun even. Even in a scenario where a complete incompetent with a knife is facing an absolute expert, it`s unusual for the guy without the knife to avoid getting badly injured as a minimum.
  33. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7470 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:33 am
    yusuksomuch, no, the club is not a useless close range weapon. Nor is it the best. really any hard blunt object should work pretty well at close range.
  34. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:35 am
    And why would an "expert fighter" rely too much on a weapon? Wouldn`t that make him just a fighter? Bottom line is, The billy club has proven itself repeatedly in my experience to be very useful in a variety of situations and not once was it ever a hindrance or a liability.
  35. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 9:36 am
    Thank you Cobra! That is all I was trying to say. :)
  36. Profile photo of eddy666
    eddy666 Male 30-39
    523 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 10:26 am
    @MacGuffin I think you are forgetting that the point of the billy club is not to kill anyone.
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    skytz1337 Male 18-29
    687 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 10:28 am
    he looks like he`s doing a rain dance
  38. Profile photo of Quik2TheStab
    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
    661 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 10:32 am
    MacGuffin, have you ever actually been in a fight?
  39. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 10:35 am
    MacGuffin, have you ever actually been in a fight?

    In real life?, as an adult? Yes - twice.
  40. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 10:35 am
    @MacGuffin I think you are forgetting that the point of the billy club is not to kill anyone.

    Or get killed.
  41. Profile photo of photomstr
    photomstr Male 50-59
    766 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 10:45 am
    A cop or security guy tells me "go home" . . . I go home . . . I need my knee caps.
  42. Profile photo of som-tam
    som-tam Male 18-29
    714 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 10:50 am
    Macguffin trying to talk about something she has no real knowledge or experience of, again. how tiresome but all too predictable seeing as their is an `evil (possibly racist)US policeman` in the pic.
  43. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 11:03 am
    Macguffin trying to talk about something she has no real knowledge or experience of, again. how tiresome but all too predictable seeing as their is an `evil (possibly racist)US policeman` in the pic.

    People making straw man arguments on IAB, som-tam? You`re right - that *is* predictable. What`s wrong, could you not find anything that I actually said to criticise, and so had to make something up to disagree with?
  44. Profile photo of yusuksomuch
    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 11:16 am
    "In real life?, as an adult? Yes - twice."

    Good for you! I would have guessed much higher ;)
  45. Profile photo of som-tam
    som-tam Male 18-29
    714 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 11:23 am
    ahaha... yes i suppose that could be misconstrued as a straw-man argument. Let me elaborate, i believe you are a tribal-lefty/anti-establishment type with a strong prejudice against the US. That is what compelled you to comment on this pic. You are also a fantasist IMO and hugely exaggerate life experiences to try to give your arguments credibility. For example your karate expertise.
  46. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 11:40 am
    I don`t need no stinking Kung fooey I got the pants!!!

    oh and a shotgun.... it helps!
  47. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 11:41 am
    No, som-tam, it doesn`t *seem* like you were making a straw man argument. It actually *is* the case that you were making one - that`s what you call it when someone criticises a position that a person hasn`t actually taken. You did it again below.

    As for your comments about me personally. If I really am so false, isn`t it weird then how I`m one of the few people to show their real face on here? Isn`t it also strange how whenever I`ve described my life experience on here I`ve included the less flattering bits (e.g. I mentioned a dodgy startup that I was foolish enough to work for a few years ago when they posted a viral advert on here). I guess that, in your distorted version of reality, that level of candour makes me less credible than some faceless keyboard warriors. Maybe some day I`ll be as brave as you, and will be confident enough in my opinions and experiences to hide them behind an alias and an avatar.
  48. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4911 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 11:50 am
    MacGuffin "I`m one of the few people to show their real face on here?"
    Yes and since you have posted your new photo you are become my favorite sex dream. Please have some mercy! ;-)
  49. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 11:55 am
    MacGuffin "I`m one of the few people to show their real face on here?"
    Yes and since you have posted your new photo you are become my favorite sex dream. Please have some mercy!

    It`d never work between us, pf. You like cheese too much. And I`m not talking dairy. ;)
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4911 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 11:58 am
    ?
  51. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4911 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    Hmm i didn`t understood what you mean but in any case there is no need that something work between us...it just need that something work inside you XD.
  52. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    MacG has a point about the ideal range for weapons, and som-tam she does make sense. Billy clubs are medium range weapons, and any martial art that incorporates weapons in training teaches this. I remember I had the same training when practicing defending against baseball bats.

    Yusuk also has a good point that clubs aren`t useless IF you know how to use them. If I had one and a person tried to close the gap I`d jab them in the stomach/chest with it instead of swinging it. Not much telegraphing with a jab, and the closer they are the more likely you`d score a hit.
  53. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7470 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    patchgrabber, you are right. At close range, reaction time and physical ability win. whether you are the one with club/bat/etc or not.
  54. Profile photo of fnp90
    fnp90 Male 30-39
    17 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    Trained on the side handled and straight batons and have deployed them occassionally. (we don`t call them billy clubs). The caption is correct. Ol` hippy boy there is going to be in a cast.
    We`re trained to aim for the shins, and non-vital organ areas. It`s amazing how people spontaneously reasses their actions when batons are deployed.
  55. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    >>>hugely exaggerate life experiences to try to give your arguments credibility. For example your karate expertise.<<<




    Here, som-tam, just for you:



    Full size version available here, if you`re having trouble reading the message. Don`t bother apologising for your mistake - I know it`s beyond people like you.
  56. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4911 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    McGuffin we want a picture of you wearing it.
  57. Profile photo of som-tam
    som-tam Male 18-29
    714 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    Are you being ironic? how can my opinion of you be a straw-man argument? i am giving you my impression of you based on my (i can accept that these my be incorrect) observations of your commenting. the fact that you fail to directly address these inferences i made but accuse me of making a straw-man argument is itself a straw-man argument ....
  58. Profile photo of som-tam
    som-tam Male 18-29
    714 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    didn`t see the pic before Mac, soz for doubting your karate expertise
  59. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    didn`t see the pic before Mac, soz for doubting your karate expertise

    Thank you for your apology.
  60. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    >>>Hmm i didn`t understood what you mean but in any case there is no need that something work between us...it just need that something work inside you XD.<<<


    "Cheese", in the context I was using it, also means `corny` or `cliched`, pf. I was implying you were being insincere and cliched in your flattery. And of course it was a subtle reference to our discussion about the Italian`s love of cheese (the food) the other day.
  61. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4911 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    MacGuffin i didn`t want to be cheesy, i just try to not be false and to express my natural think...as you do showing your picture.
    And for my last request...is ok also without wearing it ;-)
  62. Profile photo of som-tam
    som-tam Male 18-29
    714 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    didn`t see the pic before Mac, soz for doubting your karate expertise. i feel honoured you went to such lengths to prove to me you do have some karate expertise.
  63. Profile photo of MacGuffin
    MacGuffin Female 30-39
    2602 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    MacGuffin i didn`t want to be cheesy, i just try to not be false and to express my natural think...as you do showing your picture.
    And for my last request...is ok also without wearing it


  64. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    Ha, I`m going to start calling MacGuffin "The Cannon", because she keeps shooting Piper down. XD
  65. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4911 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    McGuffin, naked you are unrecognizable :-)

  66. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4911 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    patchgrabber i like hard womans.
  67. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    @piperfawn

    Do you like hard cheese?

    THE PANTS THE PANTS ARE GREATER THAN ANY BELT!!! The shotgun tags along with the pants.....



    @macguffin
    Nice pic were you in Naughty Librarians 4???
  68. Profile photo of Willowwatch
    Willowwatch Female 30-39
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    June 8, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    I like it when the comments are far more entertaining than the post itself
  69. Profile photo of thatjimguy
    thatjimguy Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    Where was this?
  70. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    Mcguffin, impressive.
  71. Profile photo of Zuriel
    Zuriel Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2012 at 4:18 pm
    kneecap hell.... that`s a full on "i`m going to make you choke on your balls" swing !
  72. Profile photo of arsebanditry
    arsebanditry Male 40-49
    140 posts
    June 8, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    "Hope You Didn`t Need That Kneecap, Hippie . Chad`s last protest ever"


    begs the question...who calls the tune at iab
  73. Profile photo of EgalM
    EgalM Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2012 at 9:50 pm
    He looks like he`s staring down the camera thinking about changing his target.
  74. Profile photo of Ilikelogic
    Ilikelogic Male 40-49
    550 posts
    June 9, 2012 at 5:14 am
    And 10 internetz go to MacGuffin.
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    Idlerlee2 Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    That is one riot cop who has run out of drats to give, even went to work dressed in his fine dining wear.
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    jeffwright Male 30-39
    42 posts
    June 11, 2012 at 8:03 am
    I can`t imagime that fat cop connected and even if he did, he`d be to winded for another go.

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