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  1. Profile photo of Revelationss
    Revelationss Female 18-29
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    June 7, 2012 at 10:42 am
    Link: Evolution in 5 Minutes - As set to Nine Inch Nails. Let the evolutionary debates begin!
  2. Profile photo of bigfatdynamo
    bigfatdynamo Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    Wow. Those are some pretty great computer generated images! Where`s the real stuff?
  3. Profile photo of TheGuySmiley
    TheGuySmiley Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    that was a great animation. I`ve seen many animations of bugs bunny, but sadly he`s not any more real than in the animation.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    Bias is a huge factor when people deny evolution.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    my wife has periods... and it`s almost the same where she just stands there and evolves..
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    South Korea disliked the video.
  7. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    ? Where`s the rest? What happens next!
    What a gyp!
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    ryan99 Male 13-17
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    June 10, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Fatboy Slim did it Better
  9. Profile photo of LordJim
    LordJim Male 60-69
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    June 10, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    Nice, but rather too swiftly onto early humans. I think it also missed out on divergence from a species, it implied that x developed into y, rather than x developed into a to z, some of which survived, most of which didn`t.

    Thanks, Revelations, but we already have that debate going on. It`s nice that you are here, but it was a bit over-simpliied and way too linear.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    people who dont believe in evolution in theory (of evolution) will die off leaving atheists around
  11. Profile photo of Brometheus
    Brometheus Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    "Wow. Those are some pretty great computer generated images! Where`s the real stuff?"

    The original videos were destroyed when the asteroid hit.
  12. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    "LordJim: Nice, but rather too swiftly onto early humans."

    They`re unable to connect the reptilian branch of our evolution with our mammal branch.

    That`s what they call "The missing link".
  13. Profile photo of Justahuman
    Justahuman Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    "people who dont believe in evolution in theory (of evolution) will die off leaving atheists around"

    Yes,and they will proceed to de-evolve back into monkeys. XD
  14. Profile photo of LordJim
    LordJim Male 60-69
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:03 pm
    Groogle

    No, it isn`t. And if you are still referencing `the missing link` you might want to avoid serious discussion.
  15. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    LordJim, care to explain how pre-mammal spicies gave birth to the marsupial spicies then?

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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    "? Where`s the rest? What happens next!
    What a gyp!"

    We evolve to the point where we deny it ever happened in order to preserve supersition.
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    wolladude Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    @Groogle - Lazy git!
  18. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    10 to 1 CrakrJak will come to this thread without having read the actual rebuttals to his posts in the other creationist thread. Also 10 to 1 he`ll cut and paste the same arguments and the same incorrect understanding of evolution.

    Groogle:

    http://tinyurl.com/ztb4p

    Did you bother to even research what you posted?
  19. Profile photo of LordJim
    LordJim Male 60-69
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:33 pm
    `marsupial spicies`
    Mmm, spicy marsupials.
  20. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:34 pm
    bigfatdynamo, theguysmiley:

    It`s called fossils. If the fossils were all animated (which would be neat) you probably wouldn`t be able to see as much as the experts would because you aren`t trained to notice things in fossils like the experts have.

    That`s why animations like these are done.

    Also, evolution is more like a tree with billions of branches, not really like a straight line either. So, while this can show one line of evolution, it really isn`t even the tip of the iceberg.
  21. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    Wolladude, you simply pointed to a link describing phylogenetics there. That`s not a complete answer.
  22. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    Groogle:

    That link was pretty thorough. You do know you can click on the citations in wikipedia and read more into the subject, right? I doubt you read through all of that wiki article in that period of time, much less the citations.

    Phylogeny isn`t just created out of thin air. It`s created from the fossil record. Each species is supported by fossil evidence.

    Why WOULDN`T they talk about phylogeny?
  23. Profile photo of 10Bears
    10Bears Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 2:53 pm
    The video starts at around 600,000,000 years ago. That`s some serious extrapolation considering the only human records we have are no older than around 6,000 years. That`s just insane. Evolution may well be true, but ffs I wish people would agree that extrapolating that far back is just a best guess. Imagine I starting drawing a line, and it`s only 1mm long, and I told you what the line would be doing if I continued it on for 100m. You would say that 1mm doesn`t give enough info to see what it will do 100m away. Same thing.
  24. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:02 pm


    That fork looks just like that spoon... and look that spoon bears resemblance to that spork... that means they are related!

    Philogenetics is looking at fosils and dna and looking for similarities. It has no scientific credibility and is only used a some sort of guide for genetics in the search for evolutionary links.
  25. Profile photo of 10Bears
    10Bears Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    quote from wikipedia "Molecular phylogenies can be affected by myriad problems, including long-branch attraction, saturation, and taxon sampling problems: This means that strikingly different results can be obtained by applying different models to the same dataset"
  26. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    that a pooy video. could the hace found anything more low qty. its just a copied from the discovery ch
  27. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    Philogenetics = It could be linked

    Genetics = It is linked

  28. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    10Bears, Groogle:

    Did you bother to read the citation?
    http://tinyurl.com/6jr3ux7

    No branch of science is perfect. All scientists are aware of limitations, and that`s why science tries to work around it. So far it`s the best method we have to determining phylogeny on the molecular level, and in spite of it`s limitations, it is accurate to a good degree.

    Why don`t you read over some of the scholarly articles about the accuracy of molecular phylogenetics before making such a broad claim?
    http://tinyurl.com/6pwnerf

    Why don`t you try to suggest a better method? Can you think of any better method than taking the fossils and comparing DNA? I sure as heck can`t.

    Also 10Bears, we have evidence of writing and painting by humans to at least 30,000 to 50,000 years old. Civilization goes back at least 10,000 ye
  29. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    Groogle:

    Post some actual science instead of stupid graphics. Show your work.

    Hyperbole isn`t needed or welcome.
  30. Profile photo of 10Bears
    10Bears Male 30-39
    441 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    Oldest writing is really only 6,000 years according to the BBC and National Geographic.
    But even if we say 30,000 years instead, the example I gave of extrapolation to 600,000,000 years remains pretty much unchanged.
  31. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    Groogle:

    Let me guess, you have absolutely no scientific background and really haven`t studied biology. Suggest a better method of determining phylogeny through DNA evidence please - or shut up.

    It`s people like you who criticize what they can`t do or anything if there`s a margin of error. But, you never realize that there`s margins of error with anything scientifically related and nothing is 100% proven in science.

    People like you scream of scientific illiteracy.

    Either post real science or shut up.
  32. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    10Bears:

    Not really. We can go back 600,000 years plus through ice cores. We can go back quite a distance with proxy tree ring data. We can go back in time 600,000,000 years through rock strata and radiometric dating. If you don`t think we`re accurate with radiometric dating, just realize we use the same knowledge of the atom to build nuclear reactors and CERN. We have plenty of dated impact craters to know when large meteors have hit. We have a huge fossil record to know what life was like back then. Through careful work, we can determine what life existed then, in what ratios, and determine the content of the atmosphere to determine the climate. We can also detect old glacial deposits, old lake/river beds, and through lake varves determine seasonal changes over the course of millions of years.

    Then again I`ve carefully studied geology and paleontology. Most of the claims you make are from someone who obviously hasn`t.
  33. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    10Bears:

    Civilization didn`t magically appear when writing did either. In fact, it seems writing was before civilization - as far back as 50,000 to 75,000 years ago:
    http://tinyurl.com/y99bt6s
  34. Profile photo of 10Bears
    10Bears Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    Tree ring dating only goes back around 10,000 years. Plus, what you just listed is interesting, but you have to agree that anything that is found prior to human records IS extrapolation - by definition. Plus, I`m not really disputing it, I have no hidden agenda.
  35. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
    2172 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    You guys are right. NOTHING is perfect.

    http://truth-saves.com/
  36. Profile photo of 10Bears
    10Bears Male 30-39
    441 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    Hmmm, scratches on egg shells. Not quite what I was meaning. (did you look at the pictures?) I was talking about humans writing that can be understood really. Interesting find though.
  37. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:44 pm
    10Bears:

    WRONG. You can get tree ring data from trees that have been buried in the ground, too. I do a lot of hiking in the Smoky Mountains, and there are plenty of downed trees that are still around after 50 years of being termite-eaten, and older trunks that have been buried in shallow sediment and you can still see plenty of rings on them if you core them. Older cores are retrieved from trees that have been buried long ago but haven`t rotted away yet.

    Tree ring data can accurately go back further than 25,000 years - continuously.
  38. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:45 pm
    10Bears:

    You aren`t going to understand writing without some sort of `rosetta stone`, and you can`t claim that because nobody can translate it it isn`t writing. Let the linguistics experts determine if it`s writing or not.
  39. Profile photo of 10Bears
    10Bears Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    I`m going to give up now. My simple point is being missed (by accident or on purpose). I think I made it quite clearly, but I apologise if not. It was simply that we only have very little history written down (x thousand years). Yet people tell me what happened x hundred million years ago. This I find hard to fathom and can be nothing else but extrapolation and speculation and "best guess".
  40. Profile photo of mesovortex
    mesovortex Male 30-39
    458 posts
    June 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm
    10Bears:

    I understood your point and it is dead wrong. We don`t need written history to know what happened in the past. By your logic, if a murderer doesn`t write down his entire itinerary then a murder could never be solved. Yet we have physical evidence that exists that doesn`t need some commentary on it for it to exist or not.

    We got your point, and it`s just dead wrong.
  41. Profile photo of eddy666
    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    This is dumb. Why is this even on here? The music is terrible, and there is no information in the video whatsoever.
    "Let the evolutionary debates begin!" Is the most misleading caption ever. There is nothing even controversial in this damn video. It`s just a bunch of videos of animals put together in an order to somewhat represent evolution. Is this site really that desperate that it feels the need to post a flame baiting caption for something like this?
  42. Profile photo of Calderis
    Calderis Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 7:21 pm
    The fact that this is still a "debate" shows the lengths to which people are able to deny evidence to maintain their preconceived notions. Evolution is observable in 2 forms that are remarkably exposed to the public.

    An example within a natural context is that of bacterial strains reaction to our use of antibiotics, and their ever increasing resistance to them. An example that is augmented through human interference is pet breeding. All dogs initially came from the same genetic stock, and through breeding for desired traits we have sped evolution down branches that would not survive in nature and would have failed if not for our nurturing.

    New breeds of dogs do not eliminate previous breeds.

    How can this still be something that people choose to deny? It is a choice towards intentional ignorance, simply due to the fact that people choose to believe an imagined being made them to be "special."
  43. Profile photo of eddy666
    eddy666 Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    @Calderis You are the one who chooses to be ignorant. Just because there is a debate on evolution doesn`t mean that it is a debate on whether or not evolution is real or not. It could be a debate on specifics of evolution or even the extent to which evolution theories are valid or not. Stop being so narrow minded. We`re all moderately intelligent people in here. Some of us are just a little more stubborn than others.
  44. Profile photo of Revelationss
    Revelationss Female 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    eddy666 - I`m sorry this didn`t appease specifically to your tastes. Move on and stop crying about it. I found it to be interesting animations, if you want to find information, there are plenty of sites on google.
  45. Profile photo of Revelationss
    Revelationss Female 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 8:16 pm
    dm2754

    Try that again in English please?
  46. Profile photo of Calderis
    Calderis Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 8:44 pm
    I wasn`t speaking of this board in particular. The denial of evolution is most definitely still ongoing.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 9:40 pm
    the only reason for the evolution debate:Inbreeding slows the process with mutation.
  48. Profile photo of Neoptolemos
    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
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    June 10, 2012 at 9:56 pm
    Let the evolutionary debates begin!




    Besides, debating on evolution... Really? If the deniers can`t be convinced, I say: let them stay ignorant.
  49. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    ~posts this comment simply so his avatar can be in close proximity to Neoptolemos`s~
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2012 at 10:44 pm
    ~posts this comment simply so his avatar can be in close proximity to Squrlz4Sale`s~ (squirrels are yummy to coyotes)
  51. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 10, 2012 at 11:53 pm
    Calderis: Dog, and other animal breeding, is not evolution in anyway shape or form. Adaptation is not evolution either. In fact the intermediary fossils, being presented as between species is scant and they usually end up classified on one side or the other, not in the middle.

    For instance the famous "Lucy" skeleton is not hominid at all, but a pygmy chimpanzee that could walk like an orangutan, nearly upright. Despite what you`ve been told, "Lucy" is no "missing link".
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    Atrayu4u Female 18-29
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    June 11, 2012 at 12:04 am
    Thank you, Ryan99, I was just about to post that, but figured I`d look through the comments to see if anyone else had thought of it first ;)
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    Atrayu4u Female 18-29
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    June 11, 2012 at 12:27 am
    Speaking of the music.. at about 29 seconds in on this thread`s video.. it sounds the same as about 1:19 in this video. *puffs up chest* But I don`t know if 300 gives credit to NIN; didn`t look it up.
  54. Profile photo of Atrayu4u
    Atrayu4u Female 18-29
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    June 11, 2012 at 12:30 am
    I did look it up.. turns out they used it in the trailer, but not the soundtrack. Ok then.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2012 at 12:39 am
    Ahh, The Fragile - NIN`s Piece de Resistance.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2012 at 3:25 am
    Evolution is a multi-directional population drift, not an individual linear process. It happens in spurts, not a continual process.
  57. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2012 at 8:12 am
    Ok, this video sucked big time.

    Either post real science or shut up.
    @mesovortex: This was my favourite post of the month! XD

    @Crakr: You know nothing of evolution, so stop saying what you think it is and it isn`t. Selective breeding IS evolution, no matter how much you want it not to be. Stop bringing up your fossil BS too, because it`s nonsense that you don`t even understand.
  58. Profile photo of AtheistAlien
    AtheistAlien Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2012 at 9:08 am
    Debate? What debate? Evolution is the way it happened, proven scientific fact. Keep your fake religious beliefs to you and your crazy ass cult of idiots who refuse to accept reality.
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    cahalla Female 18-29
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    June 11, 2012 at 10:03 am
    Funny how nasty you people get.
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    Burton_Ian Male 18-29
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    June 11, 2012 at 10:27 am
    hmmm... Funny this video made no mention of God.


    Trolling
  61. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 11, 2012 at 10:42 am
    For instance the famous "Lucy" skeleton is not hominid at all, but a pygmy chimpanzee that could walk like an orangutan, nearly upright.
    Where do you get this? She has features in common with chimps, but its rib cage is decidedly not ape-like, lacking the funnel shape that enables chimps and gorillas to pivot their shoulder downward to knuckle-walk. She`s A. afarensis, not a chimp.

    Also, if you only have one individual, you have no appreciation for the variation in a population. It`s like finding a skeleton of Danny DeVito vs. Shaquille O`Neil. Just one doesn`t give a complete picture of the whole of the species.
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2012 at 10:42 pm
    I refuse to be trolled, so,.......I aint even mad !!

    Besides, the majority of the willfully ignorant, stupid, and blind people on here....proclaim themselves to be atheist. They stubbornly cling to the notion that all religious/christian people are rabidly anti-science and anti-evolution, when the opposite is true. When the Roman Catholic Pope (John Paul II) goes on the public record saying that evolution is "much more than a theory" and encourages scientific investigation into evolution......well, it seems to me your arguments on here are invalid.
  63. Profile photo of HiEv
    HiEv Male 40-49
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    June 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm
    @10Bears: You keep saying that things were "extrapolated" as though that means that they`re just unverified guesswork, rather than the results of a large amount of data from various sources that produce an explanation that fits all of the numerous facts we know from these time periods. Evolution isn`t just a "guess" about the past, it`s verified repeatedly in numerous ways, including the comparison of DNA differences in modern species, millions of years removed from their common ancestors.

    @CrakrJak: Evolution is the change in the frequency of inherited characteristics of a species. Thus, yes, animal breeding is a directed form of evolution. Numerous "intermediary fossils" have been found, and the definition of species lines is arbitrary, so your argument is nonsense, as is your claim about Lucy.

    Stop falling for creationist lies.

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