Denis Leary Is Tweeting What We`re Thinking [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 4 years ago in Funny

And I"d be right there with him, shotgun in that time machine.
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Male 2,855
who the duck cares if its consensual
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Male 412
(... Continued) Our society - (near) universally) - works to protect females as "the weaker sex." And, physically, that`s generally true. But, I don`t see how that`s true or relevant in cases where there`s no alleged physical assault.

Yes, boys are congratulated by their peers for sleeping with an older woman - perhaps, especially a teacher. But, again - if anything, that implies that a boy is subject to additional emotional pressures that are external to their own innate desires and a majority woman should be treated more harshly (than a man) for exploiting (or even subjecting herself to) these weaknesses.

Again, I don`t really buy that these situations should be treated any differently - but, if they are, it should go counter to what most here on IAB are arguing, in my opinion.
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Male 412
Overall, I agree with MacGuffin here. I believe that differentiating between `man-girl` and `woman-boy` relationships (at this age) is based on an irrational bias.

Some here - including, most recently, LordJim below - argue that this is an inherent fantasy for boys of this age - and, by implication - not for girls of this age. If that`s the case, I`d say that`s an argument for why `woman-boy` relationships should be treated MORE strictly; fantasies on the part of the younger party not only don`t justify the relationship - they are support for the notion that the boys are more vulnerable (emotionally) to seduction and manipulation by the older party.

That`s not to suggest that I think they really should be treated more harshly - but, if it goes one direction vs. the other, I`d say that`s the direction it should go (based on that argument).
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Male 7,123
IIRC, for most teenage boys sex with an attractive older female is a common and powerful fantasy. Never happened to me, but it did for two friends and they have never expressed a scintilla of regret.

But she was a teacher and there are rules, one of which is you don`t get to shag the students. Most schools are quite strict about that, except perhaps parochial schools.
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Female 2,602
Since several of you have expressed the view that girls are far more vulnerable than boys at age 16, perhaps some of you can explain what it is that`s so different for them? Are girls just so mentally deficient that they can`t enter into `consensual` relationships with older people at that age, but boys can, do you think? I know it can`t be their physical strength that`s the problem, because no-one`s talking about sexual assault, where the female party is completely unwilling but forced to participate anyway - that`s clearly wrong whatever age she is. And, taking things further, if girls that age really are so psychologically vulnerable to sexual relationships, do you think that therefore means boys of the same age should be prevented from having sexual relationships with their less-mature female peers, perhaps with draconian sentences for male teenagers that have sexual relations with female teenagers, to protect those poor, innocent, naive female souls from damage?
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Male 5,094
Culture and tradition are funny breeds indeed. I`ve always, always wondered about why sexually active men are studs, while sexually active women are sluts.
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Female 2,602
[quote]Don`t base your opinions of America on Gerry. That`s just wrong. [/quote]

I`m not sure what you mean by that. If I did base my opinions about America on Gerry, I might think more highly of them than I do - whatever else he is, Gerry`s a pretty funny, intelligent guy. I just happen to disagree with him on the subject of this thread.
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Male 1,136
I wonder how much of this actually goes on and the kid is normal and doesn`t say anything.
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Male 453
I agree that older men shouldn`t prey upon minors, but I don`t completely agree with applying these laws in reverse mode.

Doesn`t make a lot of sense to me other than to outraged parents that would probably rethink their position if given enough time....
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Male 678
@MacGuffin

Don`t base your opinions of America on Gerry. That`s just wrong.
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Male 412
[quote]When considering cases like this one, and others involving even younger children, I always remember what a police officer friend of mine working in child protection told me about paedophiles. He said that they usually don`t differentiate between male and female victims: they`re just attracted to children. I remember that, because it was the first time it struck me how different to normal adult sexual attraction an adult sexual predator`s warped version of sexual attraction is.[/quote]

This is true of sexually undeveloped victims (i.e., pedophilia) but not of sexually developed adolescents. Pedophiles are attracted to children who have not yet gone through puberty and thus don`t show outward signs of sex. Denotatively, this is a clear case of ephebophilia - sexual preference for mid-to-late adolescents with clear morphologic changes. So, your description [above] doesn`t apply here.
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Male 1,231
It`s nice when the debate in a thread is more interesting and entertaining than the post itself. This is one of the reasons I come to I-A-B :)

The fact of the matter is that, as someone already stated, this is the case of an adult abusing his position of trust and responsibility by having relations with a young person placed in his care. I think whether it was a female or male teacher and a male or female student is irrelevant-they`re all vulnerable to manipulation at that age regardless of their gender.
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Male 109
@MacGuffin, So I read thru the extremely entertaining flame war you and gerry had and have come to this conclusion. I think you are full of it. I don`t mean that maliciously, but I do not agree with you.
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Female 2,602
[quote]Oh, I get it. You want the last word. Sorry, I didn`t mean to steel your thunder. I`ll keep quite now.

Go ahead.[/quote]

That`s `steal` my thunder, dear. And that you`d keep `quiet`. And whilst we`re on the subject, I believe you meant `different`, `inherent`, `plethora` and `feminist` earlier as well, didn`t you? I`ll let you off with `behaviors` since none of you Americans seem to be able to spell that.
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Male 38,468

Oh, I get it. You want the last word. Sorry, I didn`t mean to steel your thunder. I`ll keep quite now.

Go ahead.
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Female 2,602
[quote]MacGuffin, "Is that your answer? Personal insults? It speaks volumes."

Insult? I used your own logic against you. After faulting me for speaking for girls I asked your qualifications to speak for boys?

Yes, I asked in my own colorful way, but asking if you have a penis is not an insult. Funny you would think it is. As you say, "it speaks volumes."[/quote]

Never mind Gerry, I`m sure you *think* it`s different when older men fancy younger boys, than it is when older women fancy younger girls. I`m just glad the law recognises the hypocrisy in your thinking, even if you don`t.
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Male 412
Regardless of the [male vs. female or ephebophilia vs. pedophilia] debate... In my opinion, this is a person in a position of authority who is involved in a relationship with a person who is her (hierarchically) inferior. That - more than anything - is what`s wrong with these situations, in my opinion. The rest of it is secondary, at best.
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Male 3,894
@MacGuffin--it wasn`t just adult females I was attracted to, I would have had a relationship with a peer crush or something...only I was too young and awkward to know how to woo anybody to begin with.

I`m just stating that I had an active libido from a pretty young age, and that I knew full well what it entailed. If I had been in a relationship, it wouldn`t have been coercive in the slightest.

We really underestimate our tweens, especially when you consider that for a large portion of our history, 12 years old was marriage-age. Our bodies are biologically programmed to be interested in mating from that age; it`s a matter of our cultural norms being imposed upon them.

That said, I`m not saying that adults never coerce younger people into having sex. That`s definitely a real thing, and definitely a problem. I`m just saying that it`s not always the case.
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Male 38,468

MacGuffin, [quote]"Is that your answer? Personal insults? It speaks volumes." [/quote]
Insult? I used your own logic against you. After faulting me for speaking for girls I asked your qualifications to speak for boys?

Yes, I asked in my own colorful way, but asking if you have a penis is not an insult. Funny you would think it is. As you say, "it speaks volumes."
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Female 2,602
[quote]I guess I`m out of the loop, what does plies mean?[/quote]

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Male 1,084
I guess I`m out of the loop, what does plies mean?
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Female 2,602
[quote]@ MacGuffin - And just how big is your penis? We agree for girls this probably wouldn`t be a good thing, but you fault me for knowing as a man that this ain`t so bad for a boy. So try some of your own logic and tell me your qualification to speak for boys on this topic. Have you got a big hairy pair down there as well as up top?[/quote]

Is that your answer? Personal insults? It speaks volumes.
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Female 2,602
[quote]@Macguffin, I specifically remember hoping that I could find a way to have sex before I hit 16, so I could "beat the curve" as it were.[/quote]

I`ve got news for you, DrP: so do many young girls. A lot of young girls just reaching the edges of adulthood are every bit as thrilled as young boys to believe themselves to have the special attention of an older person, that makes them feel grown up and special, and to them represents a mature partner that is the envy of their peers (whether that is really the case or not). You don`t have to look far to find examples of female victims being just as vocally protective of the abusers that target them. They don`t feel quite so special when, a few months or years down the line, they realise that the person that was attracted to them was merely attracted to young people, and not to them in particular.
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Male 3,894
@Macguffin, I specifically remember hoping that I could find a way to have sex before I hit 16, so I could "beat the curve" as it were. Maybe I was an early bloomer, but I had it all figured out by elementary school (on my own, I wasn`t `corrupted`) and I knew I wanted it.
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Male 3,894
Not if I get there first, motherf*cker!
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Male 412
Regardless of the [male vs. female or ephebophilia vs. pedophilia] debate... In my opinion, this is a person in a position of authority who is involved in a relationship with a person who is her (hierarchically) inferior. That - more than anything - is what`s wrong with these situations, in my opinion. The rest of it is secondary, at best.
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Male 38,468

[quote]"Have you been a girl then, Gerry? " [/quote]
@ MacGuffin - And just how big is your penis? We agree for girls this probably wouldn`t be a good thing, but you fault me for knowing as a man that this ain`t so bad for a boy. So try some of your own logic and tell me your qualification to speak for boys on this topic. Have you got a big hairy pair down there as well as up top?

There`s a plethera of scientific studies that have shown the inherant behavioral differances between boys and girls. Anyone who`s raised teenagers knows this without the studies. But you`re agin`it and you`re gonna stand up to them experts! Well good for you.

Me, I`ve never been a girl, but I have been a 16 year old boy who had a summerlong affair with a 32 year old. Taught me a lot and I came away from it {pardon the pun} with more self assuredness, sexual confidence, and maturity than when I went into it. One of the few good experiences of the horrid high school years.
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Male 286
@Macguffin most guys are into the whole cougar/MILF (in this case a TILF[am i supposed to capitalize them!?], and a super TILF at that)

Most females/women/girls (what ever floats your boat) my age don`t understand me and my friends fixation with older women, so that would lead me to conclude that they aren`t as into the whole older guy kinda thing.

I must side with Gerry on this one.


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Male 735
who cares, 16 is old enough!
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Male 1,678

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Female 2,602
[quote]It IS differant for boys than girls. They`re wired differantly, they respond differantly to this situation.[/quote]

Have you been a girl then, Gerry? Or are you just imagining from your purely one-sided experience that the sex you`re personally attracted to is receptive to adult attention at a far younger age than people of a gender you`ve:

1) No experience of living as.

2) No experience of being sexually attracted to.
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Male 38,468

Ephebophilic behavior is not pedophilia.
Apples to Oranges.
Or in this case, Sausages to Tacos.
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Male 38,468

It IS differant for boys than girls. They`re wired differantly, they respond differantly to this situation. Forcing him into a victim role when he`s feeling more like a hero is just projecting femanist attitudes/behaviors on to him.

I`m not saying we should reward the woman, but it`s not the same as when a pervy man seduces a girl.
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Female 2,602
When considering cases like this one, and others involving even younger children, I always remember what a police officer friend of mine working in child protection told me about paedophiles. He said that they usually don`t differentiate between male and female victims: they`re just attracted to children. I remember that, because it was the first time it struck me how different to normal adult sexual attraction an adult sexual predator`s warped version of sexual attraction is.

We tend to look at stories like this one through the filter us being normal adults with normal adult sexual desires, and in doing so we inappropriately project our adult values onto children. However, it`s worth remembering that, most of the time, it`s not simply a case of an adult that would be attracted to other adults of a given sex, happening to be attracted to a child of that sex; it`s way creepier than that, however physically attractive the perpetrator may appear to an adult.
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Male 5,413
I agree with the whole double standard thing. But it doesn`t help when people of the same gender pat his back for doing this. :/
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Male 151
@maddux32

You just said differences in "men and women". The differences should be judged by "boys and girls". The difference between the men and women in these cases? Their gender. Both are predators. You`re making your assumptions that girls are being coerced into having sex with older men and are damaged by it but boys coerced into sex with older women are not. How can you make that justification? Or how can you make the justification that the girl doesn`t want to but is manipulated and the boy isn`t? It`s a double standard that`s inexplicably stupid and continued by morons such as yourself. Come back when you have even the slightest inkling of what effect hormones have on teenagers.
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Female 2,602
[quote]This happens to be a double standard that I back 100%. I base my logic on immutable differences in characteristics between men and women. Also, common sense. This is a double standard that is fully justified.[/quote]

What utter rubbish. Men and women both get STDs. They both have ages where they`re not mature enough to have sexual relationships. They can both be taken advantage of by a person with authority over them. And, whilst girls can get pregnant, boys can find themselves saddled with child support payments for a substantial portion of the rest of their lives.

The "it`s different for boys" attitude when it comes to child exploitation is so laughably sexist and easy to rip apart that anyone that utters it should be embarrassed.
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Male 1,754
I`m not judging you, Honky.
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Male 926
@honkeylips

This happens to be a double standard that I back 100%. I base my logic on immutable differences in characteristics between men and women. Also, common sense. This is a double standard that is fully justified.
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Male 1,586
See this is the double standard I hate as a male teacher. Oh well it`s a female teacher and a male student so it`s alright.
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Male 3,631
She likes to be high and naked. What`s the problem?
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Male 6,737
Niiiice. 16 is fine, get over it.
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Male 926
@Paperduck

Why do you have to be that guy?
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Male 325
@paperduck - agree. Not sure what it is like in the US, but here a woman will receive much less of a sentence for sex with someone who is underage than would a man
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Male 38,468

And he is forever a hero at his school!
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Male 5,811
@paperduck:

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Male 3,285
16 is legal in many countries. If she`s consenting, then there isnt anything wrong, unless she is of vunerable mind.
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Male 1,754
That`s not a crime. That kid is a BOSS.
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Male 5,811
Apparently this school is nicknamed "horndog high" or something like that, because of the numerous sex scandals there.
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Male 1,745
Yeah very funny... what if it was a 36 year old male teacher with a 16 year old girl?
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Male 20,148
Link: Denis Leary Is Tweeting What We`re Thinking [Pic] [Rate Link] - And I`d be right there with him, shotgun in that time machine.
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